Looking to upgrade to Droid Turbo - Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General

Hello all, currently im running the Droid Razr MAXX (2012), its starting to show its age and i have been due for a upgrade for awhile now, i was originally looking at the Note 4 but the Droid Tubro has gained my attention. The Droid Razr MAXX has been the only smartphone i have owned so im not sure how much i would enjoy touchwiz. With my limited experince using the liquid smooth rom on my razr maxx and using my nexus 7 i believe that stock android is something that i more prefer, i assume that the droid turbo is closer to that aspect.
I want opinions from people, preferablly that have owned/have experince with the Razr MAXX or its successor (Droid Maxx) on wether or not the 64GB Droid Turbo is a good pickup for 250$ Contract price.

If you prefer a stock experience, don't need a 6 inch screen and don't mind VZWs handprint, then you should be quite happy. It's a really nice phone and the 64 gig version looks and feels sweet.

SmileAsTheyDie said:
Hello all, currently im running the Droid Razr MAXX (2012), its starting to show its age and i have been due for a upgrade for awhile now, i was originally looking at the Note 4 but the Droid Tubro has gained my attention. The Droid Razr MAXX has been the only smartphone i have owned so im not sure how much i would enjoy touchwiz. With my limited experince using the liquid smooth rom on my razr maxx and using my nexus 7 i believe that stock android is something that i more prefer, i assume that the droid turbo is closer to that aspect.
I want opinions from people, preferablly that have owned/have experince with the Razr MAXX or its successor (Droid Maxx) on wether or not the 64GB Droid Turbo is a good pickup for 250$ Contract price.
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Do you use Smart Actions? If so, and you like it, you will be frustrated with Assist. Like really frustrated. Also, no notification light on the Turbo if that's important to you. The speaker is a step down from the Razr as well. Other than that the Turbo will feel like a big upgrade. The screen is beautiful and the phone runs very fast. Some have commented on the screens lack of brightness. It may be less bright than other phones on the market but I held it side by side with my Razr Maxx HD (both on max setting) and the Turbo was brighter. The battery on the Turbo isn't what I hoped but it certainly lasts longer than the 2 year old battery in my Maxx HD and it will get you through a day of heavy use no problem. Can't speak to Touch Wiz and the other Note 4 features as I haven't used one. Hope that helps.

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Do you use Smart Actions? If so, and you like it, you will be frustrated with Assist. Like really frustrated. Also, no notification light on the Turbo if that's important to you. The speaker is a step down from the Razr as well. Other than that the Turbo will feel like a big upgrade. The screen is beautiful and the phone runs very fast. Some have commented on the screens lack of brightness. It may be less bright than other phones on the market but I held it side by side with my Razr Maxx HD (both on max setting) and the Turbo was brighter. The battery on the Turbo isn't what I hoped but it certainly lasts longer than the 2 year old battery in my Maxx HD and it will get you through a day of heavy use no problem. Can't speak to Touch Wiz and the other Note 4 features as I haven't used one. Hope that helps.
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Well its been awhile since i used smart action as i have not been on the stock rom for over a year now. When i was on the stock rom all i used it for was to setup a profile to turn off all sound during school hours. With the rom im currently using their is a "profile" system that allows me to do that without the need for a standalone app like smartactions.

This phone is super awesome! I never ever liked Samsung touchwiz. So much ram is uses and is complicated too! My turbo makes me to not look back at my previous razr maxx and atrix hd (which was the first chassis design for the razer) and I always stock android for it was always simple even though I use nova launcher which is the same really. The turbo is worth to get for the screen is super clear, battery lasts all day no matter how hardcore you use it, camera is acceptable for its 20.7 mp, and the ballistic nylon back is so amazing! Only drawback I dislike is in calls that the speaker is not so loud compared to other phones and some times having to put it on speakerphone to hear. The turbo is worth to get!

I've had both the droid RAZR MAXX and the droid MAXX.
RAZR MAXX to droid maxx is a big upgrade in terms of screen size/quality, speed and features (active notifications, always listening). Droid MAXX to turbo is a more incremental upgrade.
Note that the turbo does not do simultaneous voice and data so that may be a deal breaker. This, to me, gives the old droid MAXX a big leg up.
Either the droid MAXX or the turbo are both a huge step up from the RAZR MAXX.
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adrialk said:
I've had both the droid RAZR MAXX and the droid MAXX.
RAZR MAXX to droid maxx is a big upgrade in terms of screen size/quality, speed and features (active notifications, always listening). Droid MAXX to turbo is a more incremental upgrade.
Note that the turbo does not do simultaneous voice and data so that may be a deal breaker. This, to me, gives the old droid MAXX a big leg up.
Either the droid MAXX or the turbo are both a huge step up from the RAZR MAXX.
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From what i read the simultaneous voice and data thing is going to be patched before the end of the year

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From what i read the simultaneous voice and data thing is going to be patched before the end of the year
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They are going to enable VoLTE ... Which will enable it when you are connected to LTE, same as it is right now for last years phones.
The difference is that right now, with a phone with dual radios (XT1080M, moto x 2013) if you leave an LTE area while doing both, you loose data (no big deal usually). With the new breed of phones (turbo, moto x 2014) with VoLTE and one radio, if you loose LTE while talking - you drop the call.
Net result? The new generation of phones will have more dropped calls, when using VoLTE.
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From what I've read on here, the lack of voice+data is a limitation on Verizon's network. Some have taken the Droid Turbo to AT&T where voice+data works, so the phone has the capability, just not on Verizon.
I'm thinking of going from an AT&T Galaxy S3 to the Droid Turbo. I currently have Straight Talk service. I would imagine, since the Turbo's unlocked, that I can just pop my Straight Talk SIM into the Turbo and it should work, with a few APN adjustments.

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Upgrading from the Droid 1 to Droid 2 finally..

I played around with the Droid 2 Global at the store and ended up ordering a Droid 2 (original) from eBay to upgrade from my somewhat sluggish Droid 1. I noticed a few things.
1) Better keyboard... larger keys are helpful here.
2) Better and firmer sliding mechanism. I get a lot less wobble on the Droid 2 than the first one
3) Brighter screen. I don't know whether they improved the LCD par se but I suspect that it's the same Super LCD of the Droid X that I use once awhile.
Any other improvements over the original?
Only negative is the locked bootloader. Hopefully Droid 3 corrects that.
Motorola has said that they are going to keep their bootloaders locked. So, for me personally i'm going to try and stay away from Motorola phones/tablets in the future.
And as for upgrades from the Droid 1, the upgrades are basically the things you stated, plus the obvious, CPU, Ram etc.
Sounds good then. I just received my Droid 2 and loving it much better than the first one. Very happy guy here.
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They use the same battery, so you can keep it and always have a spare!
Check out the fission rom if you miss having vanilla android.
It is much snappier than the stock rom the d2 comes with.
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Droid razr HD vs Droid DNA

I currently have a rooted verizon galaxy nexus lte and i am eledgible for an upgrade and have narrowed my choices down to the razr hd and dna so id like to know some pro about the Droid RAZR HD and how is the verizon signal because the nexus can barely hold on to a 4G signal so can this phone hold on to Verizo 4G signal well?
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I just recently went from the galaxy nexus to the RAZR maxx HD and wow night and day difference between signal reliability. I've never even seen the 3g signal icon on my phone until I was messing with it and put it in CDMA only mode. And because the maxx version has a massive battery I can go 2.5-3 days on a single charge with 5-6 hours of on screen time.
Best phone I've purchased so far as signal strength and battery life goes.
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Thanks that seems like enough to make me buy a razr hd soon because my signal goes from 4G to 3G alot and it sucks on the Nexus.
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I love my maxx hd lol the best phone ever. Using it on t-mobile not verizon, but the signal still great. Highly recommend
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So the verizon razr HD is sim unlocked for tmobile and at&t or are you using the gsm version of the phone?
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Yeaup..definitely go for a RAZR HD,if you want strong battery,strong signal,stronger quality and at the same time have the same look and feel of stock android since your coming from a nexus then definently go for a RAZR HD. Nothing the droid DNA has that can out shine the RAZR HD besides a quadcore and 1080p resolution which you can barely even tell the difference from a dualcore and 720p resolution
Glad to see this thread, because I"m in the same boat...but I've never had any trouble "holding on to an LTE signal" on my GNex. The battery in the MAXX HD makes me giddy like a schoolgirl. 1080p on the DNA is hot, though.
I had the DNA for almost two weeks before i returned it for the Razr MAxx HD.
why did i return it? the DNA battery was crap, would barely last a work day. the screen looked nice, but the phone itself was slightly uncomfortably large. lots of incompatible apps/games due to new resolution (this will all be fixed eventually).
i love the maxx hd because of the battery life. i regularly get 2.5-3 days before i have to charge.
Deuces said:
I had the DNA for almost two weeks before i returned it for the Razr MAxx HD.
why did i return it? the DNA battery was crap, would barely last a work day. the screen looked nice, but the phone itself was slightly uncomfortably large. lots of incompatible apps/games due to new resolution (this will all be fixed eventually).
i love the maxx hd because of the battery life. i regularly get 2.5-3 days before i have to charge.
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Not to mention the DNA only has 11g of usable storage, nonexpandable. Pretty much a deal breaker for me.
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Not to mention the DNA only has 11g of usable storage, nonexpandable. Pretty much a deal breaker for me.
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Non removable storage is a deal breaker for me also.
Razr Hd or Razr Maxx HD.
I had a regular Razr Maxx but traded for a Razr HD. IMHO the Razr HD is better than the OG Razr Maxx.
I Had the DNA as my upgrade, I was torn between Razr HD and DNA
I chose the DNA because it was more "future proof" with a 1080p display and quad core
well I only owned it 2 days, because the battery didnt last very well for me and also the gorilla glass has tons of little scratches on it (im VERY careful with my phones...so I decided to get Razr HD and pay the $35 restocking fee.
now I will say it takes about 2 days for your battery to be "trained" so until that 2 days or so of charging cycles, the battery isnt the best, but after your battery is "trained" it can easily last 14 hours with decent use
but performance wise, the DNA wins hands down.
all im going to say about that is the quad core coupled with the 2GB of ram is amazing
and HTC sense (not my fav either) isnt laggy or slow with it, its pretty much project butter at its best
and I have noticed with the Razr HD some lag in the app drawer, but besides that its a great device.
Now my final answer is this:
google owns motorola, so I would think this phone will get android 4.2 and maybe the next version or 2 of android
the DNA is an HTC phone, and as much as I loved HTC...I am a owner of the T-bolt and I can say updates are almost non-existant so only expect to get android 4.2 by end of 2013
TO SUM IT UP
Droid DNA if your a performance person, and near a charger all the time
Droid RAZR HD if you want a "stock-nexus" feel with UI and pretty good battery life and hopefully updates for the next 2 years
Yeah go with the Razr its the bomb. I have yet to see 3g also.
If you want to make phone calls in places you never dreamed possible and have reliable data connections then go with the RAZR HD. The signal strength and quality is quite literally unparalleled. Its a phone first and then a (damn good!) Smartphone second. I forgot how much I appreciated that since most other smartphones suck at being phones.
I have owned and used both phones., coming from a Droid RAZR
The benefits of the Droid DNA are the high revolution 1080p screen, and quad core processor. However, the battery life was unacceptably short (would not last a full work day with several hours of use). The device is also uncomfortably large in your pocket.
I ultimately purchased a Droid RAZR HD Maxx. The 720p screen and faster dual-core processor are still a very noticeable upgrade from my previous phone. The build quality of Motorola phones is great, and the battery life is untouchable (I can go 2 full days of heavy data, GPS, and video use on one battery charge).
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Thread closed. Please make one thread to compare phones.
Thank you.

Honest opinion about the Razr HD Maxx

I currently own a GS3, I do enjoy using it and it's been good to me so far, which is a first among Samsung devices. However, I'm currently entering into a career in law enforcement and I am going to need a reliable, dependable and above all... durable device. Most of Samsung's phones are made for show, and the GS3 is no exception. A buddy of mine in my academy has the old GZ'one Commando and he said it's survived almost everything at his last agency before he transferred to our current agency, and he mentioned that a 4G version was coming out but I can't find anything on it.
Anyway, I've owned several Motorola DROID devices and they've all been reliable, with the exception of the Bionic. What really interests me is the long battery life on the HD Maxx, especially if I need to use the GPS while responding to calls for service in different areas. I've always had good luck with Motorola's radios in the phones, especially being down in tunnels. The Razr models seem pretty tough, and as much as I like the GS3's screen, it's a little too big for me to use one-handed. I just don't want to get into a "use of force" situation on the street with a suspect and my GS3 falls to the ground and shatters, which is common from what I've heard. Also, comparing the sizes, the HD Maxx is smaller in almost every dimension except for thickness, which is fine with me knowing it has that huge battery.
However, I would be sacrificing a beautiful screen and 2GB of RAM, as well as an unlocked bootloader. Honestly, other than the warm tone of the Razr HD's screen, I still like the screen on it, and I'm sure the RAM isn't a big deal as I don't run a bunch of things at one time. The unlocked bootloader isn't a huge deal, I've kind of grown out of the heavy customization of my devices... as long as I have it running reliably and it's pretty fast, I'm happy.
So, what's your honest opinion about the Razr HD and/or HD Maxx? Is it worth the "downgrade" from the GS3 and is it as tough as it's advertised to be? Any major faults other than the camera quality?
I love my Maxx HD. The battery life is unbelievably long. Full charge to dead, using GPS, Pandora, a few others and the screen at 50% brightness... it last better than a full day. Durable is about a 7 out of 10 and if you want to raise that to a 9, get an Otter Box for it. Not real happy with the GPS it has, if you use the preloaded GPS apps you s/b fine but any custom ones like Waze have a difficult time connecting or staying connected to the GPS even with the suggestions of turning off wifi or the Google location services. Over all, its one of the best and durable phns I have had. I would like to see a 4g version of the Commando with a batt life like this has. Good luck.
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I would hardly call it a downgrade. I've have to lucky opportunity to get to play with many phones, including the SGIII that being said the Maxx HD is by far the most solid built phone I used and no plans on ever getting rid of it anytime soon. Some people get caught up in stats and and how awesome the phone looks etc. The Maxx HD feels right, not a 17" monitor in my hand trying to compensate for my short comings. This phone is snappy with nova launcher installed. I hear some frustration about the GPS but I've yet to have any issues with it what so ever.
I use this phone non stop at work and I work 12 hour shifts and come home with 40%+. With all that being said, I was in law enforcement for 10 years and never once dropped a phone nor radio, those that do are just not aware of there devices and how to properly protect them as they would there weapon or any of there gear for that matter.
I'm really looking at picking up a Maxx as well. I currently have a Nexus 4 but I have the opportunity to get a Verizon phone through work (and let's face it, AT&T and T-Mobile in my are have fairly bad service). I've been eyeballing the Maxx for a while and despite really liking my Nexus 4 I think the network and battery life overall will make up for the shortcomings with the locked bootloader and battery life.
The other option would be an SGS 3 on Verizon (I'd be installing an AOSP based ROM). Other than the network though I don't think the phone offers anything valuable over the Nexus 4 and would seem like a downgrade.
Opinions are definitely welcome
Well I bit the bullet yesterday afternoon and got the Maxx HD. Unfortunately, my experience has already been poor. The first phone had major network connection issues, to the point where it would cut all signal during the middle of a phone call. After sitting at the Verizon store for over an hour and testing two more SIM cards, they replaced the phone. Now, this second one has a distinct yellowish tint and it's super slow. Not only that, the earpiece is not loud at all on the highest setting and that's a no-go, especially in the areas where I'll be working, and my S3 for some reason still gets a better data connectoin. So it looks like the Maxx is a no-go for me, back to the GS3. Very disappointed with Motorola in the past year and a half with the Bionic and the Razr models.
I also wanted a great battery experience but the phone is not working in India . It is blocked for some reasons
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triton302 said:
Well I bit the bullet yesterday afternoon and got the Maxx HD. Unfortunately, my experience has already been poor. The first phone had major network connection issues, to the point where it would cut all signal during the middle of a phone call. After sitting at the Verizon store for over an hour and testing two more SIM cards, they replaced the phone. Now, this second one has a distinct yellowish tint and it's super slow. Not only that, the earpiece is not loud at all on the highest setting and that's a no-go, especially in the areas where I'll be working, and my S3 for some reason still gets a better data connectoin. So it looks like the Maxx is a no-go for me, back to the GS3. Very disappointed with Motorola in the past year and a half with the Bionic and the Razr models.
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That's unfortunate. I don't experience any of those problems you listed. Maybe you got 2 bad ones? Long shot but still.
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triton302 said:
Well I bit the bullet yesterday afternoon and got the Maxx HD. Unfortunately, my experience has already been poor. The first phone had major network connection issues, to the point where it would cut all signal during the middle of a phone call. After sitting at the Verizon store for over an hour and testing two more SIM cards, they replaced the phone. Now, this second one has a distinct yellowish tint and it's super slow. Not only that, the earpiece is not loud at all on the highest setting and that's a no-go, especially in the areas where I'll be working, and my S3 for some reason still gets a better data connectoin. So it looks like the Maxx is a no-go for me, back to the GS3. Very disappointed with Motorola in the past year and a half with the Bionic and the Razr models.
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Sry to hear that. I love Moto and IDK what was wrong with Ur Bionic but last year in July when I got ICS on it, it became a beast. Over clocked and really turned out to be a awesome phone. What hurt the Bionic was the software issues in the beginning of its life that turned a lot of people away. I still have mine and its solid.
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Man, I'm so up in the air. I was in love with the DNA until I realized no SD and moderate battery life. I spend a lot of time in the woods and need a solid battery.
I was ready to buy the Maxx but then Verizon doesn't sell it anymore. I guess I can go to Wal-Mart. They still sell the Maxx HD. I haven't had a Moto since my old flip phone. Seems like everything has its compromises. Hope your experience improves.
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Man, I'm so up in the air. I was in love with the DNA until I realized no SD and moderate battery life. I spend a lot of time in the woods and need a solid battery.
I was ready to buy the Maxx but then Verizon doesn't sell it anymore. I guess I can go to Wal-Mart. They still sell the Maxx HD. I haven't had a Moto since my old flip phone. Seems like everything has its compromises. Hope your experience improves.
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Try Best Buy. 2 weeks ago wife and I got some Maxx HD's at Best Buy and they had the regular Maxx there. Best Buy also price matched Amazon Wireless, so we got them for $160 each (with re upping on the contract). Maxx HD is awesome phone. Snappy, nice screen, I think I preferred my DX screen to this amoled one, and the battery life is phenomenal. It's almost like having battery life on the old not smart phone. what would kill my DX in one day goes 3 days on this beast. My wife is not a power user by any means and she can get 4 almost 5 days on hers.

Moto X Style or Droid Turbo 2?

Okay, so I was all set to purchase the new Moto X, but then the Turbo 2 rumors started floating around the interwebs... I am currently using a Nexus 6, but it is just a little too big for me (although I am really getting used to it - it just isn't very portable). Between Good Work for corp email and the battery drain on VZW LTE, I find I typically have to top off by 5 or 6 PM. From what I've been reading, battery life for the N6 and the Style are about the same on Verizon. I really miss the Moto apps, so I'd like to come back to either the Style, or maybe wait for the Turbo 2. The biggest drawbacks for the Turbo 2 are lack of unlockable bootloader and VZW bloat. Quite frankly, I really don't even need root if there isn't any bloat (although, I think most/all can be disabled now w/o root).
My priorities:
Battery Life
Moto apps
Clean, no bloat (or rootable so I can clean things up)
So, should I buy the Style, wait for the Turbo 2 or just keep my Nexus 6?
Pure/Style is great. I'm waiting to see just how "shatter proof" the new Turbo screen really is!
Yes, the "shatterproof" screen looks like it could be really cool. Plus the phone seems about the right size for me too... but man, I just can't stand the bloat and that might be enough to keep me away from the extra battery capacity...
Think moto X Play meets your requirements better tbh
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I'm thinking the maxx will be a better phone. The turbo looks to be a pure with a smaller plastic screen and a faster processor. The maxx will be more like the play(better battery life).
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I guess it really comes down to whether or not I can deal with the bloat in order to have the extra battery capacity... and the more I think about it, the more I don't think I'll like it. I'm really leaning toward the Style. I guess we'll see what the Turbo/Maxx 2 look like a couple of days.
I can deal with any shortfalls this phone has to not buy from Verizon any longer. Overall this phone works great for me. I knew it was not the absolute latest and greatest but I have to say I am satisfied. It is an excellent but for the price and soon I will be saving $300/yr on my cell phone bill.
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Remmeber buying from verizon, they decide when to give you updates. Today all my lines are out of contract so I get 25$ off per line,also get 19% off and have 30gb plan for 130$(-19%) and have 4gb promo data. But the thing that's the best is the feeling of freedom.
You do what you want and when you want.
If you can either buy it in full price or stick with motox, patience also with roms
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That is a lot good point. And at an extra $200, I don't think the Turbo 2 is worth it.
Now I guess the only question is: what color do I get?!!
I had the last turbo. Great phone but of course locked down and it was supposed to be updated fast. We got lollipop at the end of july I believe. I gave it to my wife and bought the new x.
My droid Maxx still doesn't have lollipop. So I'm sticking with my xpe. Plus one hands on said the turbo 2 screen quality was dingy and not bright.
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My dad just got the Droid turbo 2 and likes it. The screen size isn't too bad and they used an amoled display for it. It does have a ton of VZW crap ware installed that you can't get rid of but he traded in his 2013 moto x with a fully shattered screen and he still got $200 trade in for the turbo 2.
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Could Droid Turbo 2 battery be retrofit into the MXPE?

Articles I've read stated that the Droid Turbo 2 is Verizon's beefed up (and bloated) Moto X Pure. If that's true, if the devices are truly mostly compatible, is it possible that the battery of the Turbo 2 would fit into the MXPE? 3000 mAh to 3760 mAh would be a BIG jump in capacity that would address one of the most talked-about shortcomings of the Moto X Pure. I did this once with a Droid Razr HD and the battery and back cover of an otherwise-destroyed Droid Razr Maxx HD. I see that the overall dimensions of the two phones are slightly different. The Turbo 2 is a little wider. The Moto X Pure is a little taller. But the Moto X Pure is slightly DEEPER than the Turbo 2 (.44" vs .36"), which might mean some adaptation is possible. Just curious. I'm underwhelmed by the MXPE battery life like everyone else but otherwise I love the phone.
I keep hearing about this phone's bad battery, but I regularly get 2.5 days between charges whilst running the indian marshmallow rom.
Typical usage involves BT streaming to my car stereo to and from work (1hr each way) and around an hour of wifi/4g browsing each day, random phone calls etc...
This phone has the best battery I have ever had in a smart phone!
Droid 2 turbo disassembly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCKaVSUANXs
X Style/Pure disassembly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuewklttaSc
Looks like the battery connector for the 2 phones is of a different type and in a different location!
I wondered the same about using the Moto X play as a retrofit also. The play phone is physically smaller. But I have yet to see a disassembly video of that to compare.
When people say the turbo is "basically" a pure, they mean on paper. They are two completely different phones, the battery won't just swap out.
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When people say the turbo is "basically" a pure, they mean on paper. They are two completely different phones, the battery won't just swap out.
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Its a possibility it might if the Pure was a 'prototype' or ref they made the Turbo 2 from. Its unlikely but not out of the realm of possibilities.

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