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I just stumbled upon this:
http://www.irevivespray.com/
Supposedly it can bring water damaged devices back to life. They claim it removes the corrosion and hence any shorts that may have been caused. Looks like a total scam to me, but I was wondering if anyone has this or has any experience with similar products.
Also it would be great of one of the hardware savvy guys could comment on whether it's possible to "repair" water damaged devices at all. My (basic) understanding is that the electrical components in the phone/tablet etc. can be permanently damaged by exposure to water and all the minerals typically found in water. Moreover, even if they survive the initial submersion, there's no guarantee that they will not slowly corrode and fail in the future.
Here in Germany all official repair companies refuse to repair water damaged devices, because they are required by law to a guarantee for their work and they claim it's impossible to guarantee that a water damaged component will continue to function even after being properly cleaned.
Any comments?
Have to admit it does sound a bit dodgy, although I use something that may be similar on bearings - Skanunu Bearing Cleaner is good for cleaning rusted bearings (and I mean so rusted they didn't move), although I'm not sure I'd want to put anything like that on electronics. I can't seem to find any chemical info on it...
Iamnotacrook said:
Have to admit it does sound a bit dodgy, although I use something that may be similar on bearings - Skanunu Bearing Cleaner is good for cleaning rusted bearings (and I mean so rusted they didn't move), although I'm not sure I'd want to put anything like that on electronics. I can't seem to find any chemical info on it...
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I suspect it's just branded 99% alcohol Still I am curious whether simply cleaning the salts and minerals left by the water can possibly "repair" a device.
Water damaged phones can be repairable depending on the level of submersion and whether the owner is enthusiastic with the power button or not. If I try to repair a water damaged phone I do a full stripdown and clean aggressively with a brush and pure alcohol. It can work sometimes but quite often water damage is terminal. I've had plenty of people phone me and say they dropped their phone in water so I say 'bring it to me and definitely don't turn it on' then they phone me back later and say 'i turned it on and it's ok now so don't worry' but it may work short term but water destroys electronic components very fast.
This spray, as el_commandante said is probably branded alcohol and while it may work in extracting water, it will not clean properly without any agitation.
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BensJammin said:
Water damaged phones can be repairable depending on the level of submersion and whether the owner is enthusiastic with the power button or not. If I try to repair a water damaged phone I do a full stripdown and clean aggressively with a brush and pure alcohol. It can work sometimes but quite often water damage is terminal. I've had plenty of people phone me and say they dropped their phone in water so I say 'bring it to me and definitely don't turn it on' then they phone me back later and say 'i turned it on and it's ok now so don't worry' but it may work short term but water destroys electronic components very fast.
This spray, as el_commandante said is probably branded alcohol and while it may work in extracting water, it will not clean properly without any agitation.
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If by agitation you mean cleaning the inside of the phone with a brush, they do say you should do that. In fact they have videos on YouTube in which they show you how to do that Still, it feels a little scammy to claim a $30 bottle of alcohol will fix your water damaged phone in 90% of the cases They even offer money back guarantee, which is pretty bold.
It seems to me that if you drop a working phone in water and the water finds its way to its internals and shorts one of the components it doesn't really matter how well you clean it Then again there are plenty of info online about devices that have successfully survived encounters with water so the policy of the manufacturers is indeed a little questionable...
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If by agitation you mean cleaning the inside of the phone with a brush, they do say you should do that. In fact they have videos on YouTube in which they show you how to do that Still, it feels a little scammy to claim a $30 bottle of alcohol will fix your water damaged phone in 90% of the cases They even offer money back guarantee, which is pretty bold.
It seems to me that if you drop a working phone in water and the water finds its way to its internals and shorts one of the components it doesn't really matter how well you clean it Then again there are plenty of info online about devices that have successfully survived encounters with water so the policy of the manufacturers is indeed a little questionable...
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For the most part you are right. I do phone repairs as a side business but I will rarely touch a water damaged one. Phones can be repaired provided no damage was done when it shorted, and providing no power is applied until it is totally dried 100%. I use a brush to agitate the board with alcohol and this removes and conductive materials on the board (which could even just be damp dust). I have rescued a couple, but for the most part I leave them alone. I would be very dubious about this spray though. I'm sure there's some small print regarding the money back guarantee!
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I've repaired many Android, & non-Android phones, & I can tell you this... Water damage is completely random, & completely various. Many times, it is not as terrifying as everyone makes it out to be. There was a point in time when I was actually hunting for water damaged phones to repair.
As I said, it's completely random, & is determined on a case by case basis. The damage will not always be the same. Maybe the speaker will blow out... replace the speaker. The hardware buttons are malfunctioning now... replace the ribbon cable for the buttons. Many times, people say the phone died & won't turn on anymore, when really, the LCD screen blew out... replace the screen, problem solved. Many times, the main ribbon cable is not good, causing the device to not turn on, or other multiple problems... replace the ribbon cable. Sometimes, it can be a headache though, because many different components will all blow out at that time, or, you'll fix some, & others will go or malfunction soon after.
As far as the cpu itself, from what I've seen, these things are BGA components. They are soldered on with a BGA interface. Not only that, they are also plastered down with a ridiculously strong super glue adhesive as well. They are completely airtight. NO water will EVER get underneath there.
Yes, it is always very important to clean everything off with pure alcohol & a q-tip. Alcohol is best for cleaning off electronic components, & it evaporates very fast too. About that spray you've posted, I didn't even look at it, but I've seen plenty of those same type of marketing schemes for a long time. Basically, it's just alcohol they pour into a bottle with their fancy looking label, & sell it to you for a ridiculously high price, claiming that it's magic. A page right out of apple's book, in my opinion.
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A page right out of apple's book, in my opinion.
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Haha, absolutely! But as we all know, there are plenty of suckers in the world
Thank you for your detailed explanation. The bigger question for me at least is whether you could really be sure that a phone has been repaired once water has entered inside. It sounds like there's some merit to the claim that once water enters the device, you can never be sure that some components will not fail in the near future. Now the next question is how hard it actually is to water proof the key components inside. It seems to me that it's relatively trivial to do a relatively good job water proof most of the phone to a good degree...
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Haha, absolutely! But as we all know, there are plenty of suckers in the world
Thank you for your detailed explanation. The bigger question for me at least is whether you could really be sure that a phone has been repaired once water has entered inside. It sounds like there's some merit to the claim that once water enters the device, you can never be sure that some components will not fail in the near future. Now the next question is how hard it actually is to water proof the key components inside. It seems to me that it's relatively trivial to do a relatively good job water proof most of the phone to a good degree...
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From what I've seen, it is true that there could always be headaches down the line with some components starting to give out, but I've never seen the most important things take any damage. Those being the cpu & other memory chips. The cpu is really plastered on there, & I think the other important chips too. It's usually only components that take damage, such as buttons & the main ribbon cable.
Then again, most of my experience is with various HTC devices, which relied more & more on ribbon cables the newer they got. I believe some manufactures still use a big board with everything on it. I don't know how bad those would take to water damage, or if they have main ribbon cables that can be replaced. As far as water proofing a phone, I don't think it's really possible without some kind of exterior, water proof case. The housings have way too many opportunities for water to pour right in.
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From what I've seen, it is true that there could always be headaches down the line with some components starting to give out, but I've never seen the most important things take any damage. Those being the cpu & other memory chips. The cpu is really plastered on there, & I think the other important chips too. It's usually only components that take damage, such as buttons & the main ribbon cable.
Then again, most of my experience is with various HTC devices, which relied more & more on ribbon cables the newer they got. I believe some manufactures still use a big board with everything on it. I don't know how bad those would take to water damage, or if they have main ribbon cables that can be replaced. As far as water proofing a phone, I don't think it's really possible without some kind of exterior, water proof case. The housings have way too many opportunities for water to pour right in.
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The problem I have found is that if you get it working again easy enough, your customer comes back saying there's something wrong with it again in a week or so. Most of my experience is with iPhones and although a lot can be repaired, there's usually more that needs replacing, headphone jacks, mics etc and it gets expensive which is why I avoid water damage repairs now.
There's always Liquipel though. The sooner manufacturers start investing in this the better!!
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el_commandante said:
I just stumbled upon this:
Supposedly it can bring water damaged devices back to life. They claim it removes the corrosion and hence any shorts that may have been caused. Looks like a total scam to me, but I was wondering if anyone has this or has any experience with similar products.
Also it would be great of one of the hardware savvy guys could comment on whether it's possible to "repair" water damaged devices at all. My (basic) understanding is that the electrical components in the phone/tablet etc. can be permanently damaged by exposure to water and all the minerals typically found in water. Moreover, even if they survive the initial submersion, there's no guarantee that they will not slowly corrode and fail in the future.
Here in Germany all official repair companies refuse to repair water damaged devices, because they are required by law to a guarantee for their work and they claim it's impossible to guarantee that a water damaged component will continue to function even after being properly cleaned.
Any comments?
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I would like to get my hands on this
BensJammin said:
The problem I have found is that if you get it working again easy enough, your customer comes back saying there's something wrong with it again in a week or so. Most of my experience is with iPhones and although a lot can be repaired, there's usually more that needs replacing, headphone jacks, mics etc and it gets expensive which is why I avoid water damage repairs now.
There's always Liquipel though. The sooner manufacturers start investing in this the better!!
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Yes, that is true. The headaches will come from people, & not so much from the device itself. If it's your phone, no problem. You can always replace whatever else starts to go. But when you're fixing things for other people, whether it be phones, or cars, or whatever, it's ALWAYS your fault. Once you touch it, anything that happens is blamed on you. It gets really annoying after a while.
Didn't some of the motorola tablets use Liquipel?
Hobbzey said:
Didn't some of the motorola tablets use Liquipel?
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Not sure but I'm surprised more companies haven't jumped on the waterproof bandwagon. I would love a waterproof tablet as I read magazines in the bath and most publications are going digital now due to costs and there will definitely be a need for waterproofing. Although capacitive touch screens can react awkwardly when they're wet though.
The Sony xperia z is totally waterproof already so the technology to do this is already there. Just not sure if I trust it.
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BensJammin said:
Not sure but I'm surprised more companies haven't jumped on the waterproof bandwagon. I would love a waterproof tablet as I read magazines in the bath and most publications are going digital now due to costs and there will definitely be a need for waterproofing. Although capacitive touch screens can react awkwardly when they're wet though.
The Sony xperia z is totally waterproof already so the technology to do this is already there. Just not sure if I trust it.
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I don't think it's so much having to do with technology, but more in how they design the casing. Other things, like watches, use o-rings to seal the casing & make it waterproof. I wonder how Sony did it??? I especially wonder what they did about the speaker & mic openings. I'd really like to see that phone opened up. Yes, it would be nice if other companies joined in too. They probably don't want to spend the money researching how to make their cases watertight.
it sounds too good to be true
3ndymion218 said:
I don't think it's so much having to do with technology, but more in how they design the casing. Other things, like watches, use o-rings to seal the casing & make it waterproof. I wonder how Sony did it??? I especially wonder what they did about the speaker & mic openings. I'd really like to see that phone opened up. Yes, it would be nice if other companies joined in too. They probably don't want to spend the money researching how to make their cases watertight.
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On the mass scale that these companies sell their phones I wouldn't think it would cost them too much in the long run to invest in liquipel. That protects the mics, speakers and even jacks. I'm sure someone I know will smash their xperia z soon so I look forward to ripping that apart
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BensJammin said:
On the mass scale that these companies sell their phones I wouldn't think it would cost them too much in the long run to invest in liquipel. That protects the mics, speakers and even jacks. I'm sure someone I know will smash their xperia z soon so I look forward to ripping that apart
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I think it was the Motorola Xyboard's that used it...?
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Didn't some of the motorola tablets use Liquipel?
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I wish my xoom had it, my son dropped it in the bath tub, it got nearly no water in it worked for about a week more
then died completely. I'd almost be willing to try this if it really did work
I know there's a rust to primer stuff out there, but that's a bit simpler
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I think it works,becoz all service centers will have this.
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I was once interested in the Galaxy S4 Active, but four important things have kept me away from it altogether:
I just got the S4 in April, so I'd need to sell it to buy a new Active (and there would be a price difference of course).
The S4A is only waterproof to 3ft or so (some reports of less than that). And for only 30min at that.
Probably most importantly: I hear there's no liquid coverage in the warranty still, even though it's designed to be submerged!
8MP camera? What gives? One of the biggest bragging rights of the S4 is the 13MP camera.
That being said, I want to waterproof my S4, so that I can completely submerge it. I mean, like bottom-of-the-14ft-pool submerge, while still taking pictures, even. I'd consider hacking the S4A camera app onto the S4 just for the Aqua mode it has (and maybe try to hack in the 13MP capability too?).
Key thing, though: I don't normally use a case on my phone. I like the slimness of my naked phone.
So, I've seen different nano-coatings (liquipel for example - or even the NeverWet spray). Most of them coat the outside of the phone, and don't offer submersion as an option. They're designed for "accidental spills only". Here's what I want from a nano-coating:
Submersible to say, 15ft. Maybe 10ft would be acceptable.
No time limit.
I'm willing to completely disassemble my phone to coat the motherboard, inside and out, if needed.
Some form of guarantee against water damage would be nice. I swear that I saw one company that offered this, but I can't seem to find it now.
I'm curious how this stuff would work with heat dissipation on the motherboard components. Also, how well would the contacts work after? Examples would be the connections to the motherboard (for the screen, or daughterboard, or cameras...), or even the battery connection? Does nanocoating interfere with these?
Anywho, the point of this thread is to ask the S4 community about different brands of nano-coating/water-proofing options. It might be impossible to get exactly what I want, but I'd be curious to see how close I could get.
Thanks for your time.
I highly doubt you will find a nano coating that can meet your needs.
Regarding the neverwet spray, I recently read a review on it and it only lasted roughly 30 minutes in water before the coating began to deteriorate plus it makes the device sticky.
Your best bet would probably be a case even though you specifically asked for a nano coating. LifeProof juat recently released an S3 case and its safe too assume an S4 case is in the works aswell.
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msavic6 said:
I highly doubt you will find a nano coating that can meet your needs.
Regarding the neverwet spray, I recently read a review on it and it only lasted roughly 30 minutes in water before the coating began to deteriorate plus it makes the device sticky.
Your best bet would probably be a case even though you specifically asked for a nano coating. LifeProof juat recently released an S3 case and its safe too assume an S4 case is in the works aswell.
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Yeah, that's what I'm gathering. Thank you for the feedback. I did find that it was Liquipel that offers the guarantee against water damage, but only with accidental exposure only (explicitly prohibits intentional submersion). I happen to be travelling over in the L.A. area soon (near their HQ), so I've asked them two questions this weekend, without response:
If I were to bring in my device to have it treated, would they allow me to physically disassemble the device and let them place the individual components into the chamber?
If I were to invest in a nice waterproof case, and for some reason the case failed to protect the device, would the Liquipel guarantee protect the device at this point?
I'm thinking that a lot of these nano-coatings will give-out after 30 minutes of continuous water exposure. That's why I'm thinking of a really good waterproof case for intentional diving with the phone, and then the liquipel for all the accidental stuff (as intended). It'd be nice to go to a theme park and ride the water-rides without risking anything.
Eventually when LifeProof releases their Galaxy S4 case which shouldn't be that bulky in comparison too other waterproof cases you could buy the case and apply the Liquipel coating. This way you have a 2 step barrier for any water damage, if the case gives way too water, the liquipel should protect it and any damage should be covered by their warranty.
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Eventually when LifeProof releases their Galaxy S4 case which shouldn't be that bulky in comparison too other waterproof cases you could buy the case and apply the Liquipel coating. This way you have a 2 step barrier for any water damage, if the case gives way too water, the liquipel should protect it and any damage should be covered by their warranty.
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I called Liquipel today, because apparently the monkeys behind their keyboards don't respond to emails.
- They will allow me to disassemble the device, have it coated by them, and then I would have to re-assemble it myself. No problem.
- They recently had another customer with a LifeProof case file a claim. The LifeProof case leaked on his iPhone (dunno which model) without the customer knowing, and the water sat for a long time. The corrosion/etc. that resulted was too great, and Liquipel would not cover the device. The customer had to buy a new device, which Liquipel subsequently treated the new device for free.
But yeah, if LifeProof created a case for S3, there's little doubt they would not create one for the S4. The only fallback would be if the S3 case didn't sell well - at which point they might re-think creating a case for the S4.
Hi! I just got the Galaxy S5 4G+ a couple weeks ago and I absolutely love it. However, I have been reluctant to get it wet as I have read about some S5s getting water damaged due to manufacturing defects with the waterproof seals on the back cover and charging port. I was wondering if there is any way to test if my S5 is sealed properly without the risk of completely frying it. I was thinking of sealing the battery contacts with a bit of tape, so that there is no electricity flowing through the phone in case it does get wet, then submerging it for a bit and checking if there is any water inside the sealed areas/if the water-damage indicators change colour. What do you think?
I have return to Samsung service my S5 due display failure and I have adked how it is warrany void for IP67 if from my perspective cover mounting and sealing is weak. Service techican told me that if indicators inside is marked they have guidelines to cancell warranty. So I don't belive in Samsung IP67 warranty.
BTW technican shown me that most important sealing is inside under batttery.
Thank you for the insight....I have heard some people say that Samsung covers some cases where the seal was defective but, as always, it depends...
Anyway, even if it were to void my warranty, I would like to test if my S5 is properly sealed, as long as it still works afterwards.
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I took an underwater photo this morning and put the phone away (S7E). 4 hours later I plugged it into the wall (fast charger) for a top-up and the phone popped up an error message "moisture detected in charging port.." and the phone won't charge.
Is this a safeguard? I will try charging again in a few hours, but curious if anyone else observed this so far..
Pop it in some rice as a precaution maybe?
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I have read somewhere it's like a kill switch in charging port should be fine after a while
Sounds like a very sensible safeguard to me. Regardless of how waterproof the phone is, the charging port has to be exposed at least partly until the contacts hit the seal. If there is moisture on those exposed contacts, it could result in a short and issues. Take a hair dryer to the port for 30 seconds and try again.
Tried the hair dryer and no go, phone won't charge. No more error message. I will try after a while and see if its different. Between buyer's remorse, warranty and my jump insurance, I am not worried about it.
But it is annoying for a water resistant / IP68 phone to act up after its first 30 seconds of exposure to water. Having to find a hair dryer or box of rice each time I get it wet defeats the point of IP68 frankly.
Anyway, more to come.
Perhaps when the error has been displayed, it trips a flag which stops it from charging for a set time, even if it's able to.
You can always go down the wireless charging route. Whilst it's not allowed to charge via the cable, that's bound to work. No good if you don't have a wireless charger mind, but I suspect most people with one of these will get one eventually.
Good to know they have a safety-switch i guess
xxaarraa said:
Tried the hair dryer and no go, phone won't charge. No more error message. I will try after a while and see if its different. Between buyer's remorse, warranty and my jump insurance, I am not worried about it.
But it is annoying for a water resistant / IP68 phone to act up after its first 30 seconds of exposure to water. Having to find a hair dryer or box of rice each time I get it wet defeats the point of IP68 frankly.
Anyway, more to come.
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Wireless charging
But after I dunked mine during the podcast I had it charging within an hour and never saw the alert.
I actually had this issue without the phone being wet. I bought a 10 ft USB cable for my living room to run behind my couch to the end table so I can charge my phone in my living room if needed and not have it visible. Long story short when I plugged it in to the third party cable, it said there's moisture and won't charge.
Anyone else having third party USB cable issues?
Works fine with the Samsung cable.
Good to know it has a safeguard.
I will still avoid getting it in water even tho the phone is IP68 rated. mainly because I watched a Youtube video that suggested that the sound goes much quieter when it has been submerged. Also, a website suggested the warranty does not cover water damage, which imo is stupid for a phone that's been advertised as being waterproof.
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Good to know it has a safeguard.
I will still avoid getting it in water even tho the phone is IP68 rated. mainly because I watched a Youtube video that suggested that the sound goes much quieter when it has been submerged. Also, a website suggested the warranty does not cover water damage, which imo is stupid for a phone that's been advertised as being waterproof.
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That happened to my Sony Z3C, advertised almost like it was a submarine but after some splashes it stopped working. Only then I've found warranty didn't cover it, tho it was Sony's ads that lead to the problem.
It's advertised as water resistant, not waterproof. I'll bet that submerging it in water will void the warranty because there's no way to prove how long it was submerged or to what depth.
It's a protection feature in case something goes wrong, it's not meant to be used underwater as a camera. A little common sense and a quick read of the warranty would tell you that. Insurance may cover it, but a warranty won't.
Damn. I was looking forward to swimming with my s7
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It's advertised as water resistant, not waterproof. I'll bet that submerging it in water will void the warranty because there's no way to prove how long it was submerged or to what depth.
It's a protection feature in case something goes wrong, it's not meant to be used underwater as a camera. A little common sense and a quick read of the warranty would tell you that. Insurance may cover it, but a warranty won't.
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You are wrong - Samsung specifically says it is IP68 certified which means: First number: 6 - Dust tight - No ingress of dust; complete protection against contact (dust tight) Second number: 8 - Immersion beyond 1 m - The equipment is suitable for continuous immersion in water under conditions which shall be specified by the manufacturer. However, with certain types of equipment, it can mean that water can enter but only in such a manner that it produces no harmful effects. Test duration: continuous immersion in water
Depth specified by manufacturer, generally up to 3 m
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jmm22 said:
It's advertised as water resistant, not waterproof. I'll bet that submerging it in water will void the warranty because there's no way to prove how long it was submerged or to what depth.
It's a protection feature in case something goes wrong, it's not meant to be used underwater as a camera. A little common sense and a quick read of the warranty would tell you that. Insurance may cover it, but a warranty won't.
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You're thinking of the S5. The S7 is IP68 which is waterproof up to a certain depth, Samsung state this depth is up to 1.5m for up to 30mins. That's waterproof. Samsung also had one on display in a fountain to advertise this.
EDIT: I guess I was wrong. Thanks jimm22
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You are wrong - Samsung specifically says it is IP68 certified which means: First number: 6 - Dust tight - No ingress of dust; complete protection against contact (dust tight) Second number: 8 - Immersion beyond 1 m - The equipment is suitable for continuous immersion in water under conditions which shall be specified by the manufacturer. However, with certain types of equipment, it can mean that water can enter but only in such a manner that it produces no harmful effects.Test duration: continuous immersion in water
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No, you don't understand what resistant and proof mean. Waterproof means that is can stay in water indefinitely and at any depth, water resistant means it will remain waterproof for a certain amount of time at a certain pressure (depth). The IP68 rating on phones is water resistance, not truly waterproof. The designation just confuses people who don't bother reading because they title it inaccurately. There's many forums online that explain this.
Please show me where Samsung said that consumers can use the phone underwater and while swimming?
EDIT: I'll help, look at moisture protection 8 (http://www.cnet.com/how-to/water-dust-resistance-ratings-in-gadgets-explained/) it is for accidental submersion and splashing. It is not waterproof and meant to be used underwater. It's accident protection, not an actual usage feature. The whole idea of "waterproof" is marketing, not fact. Anyone who reads up about IP68 knows this.
A device needs to be 50M water resistant before you ever swim with it. The IP68 isn't even close.
I'd imagine they would want to test for shorts before allowing the full current. Just brainstorming, but an easy way to do this would be to run a voltage test across different pins and detect any drops or jumps. If there is an unexpected change, prevent charging. This would explain why the extra long cables might trip the warning.
Also, it is probably possibly to submerge the phone and not get the ports or speakers wet. With holes that small, you're very likely to get air trapped air bubbles. If you want to really test it, submerge the phone and give it a few vigorous shakes to dislodge the bubbles.
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It's advertised as water resistant, not waterproof. I'll bet that submerging it in water will void the warranty because there's no way to prove how long it was submerged or to what depth.
It's a protection feature in case something goes wrong, it's not meant to be used underwater as a camera. A little common sense and a quick read of the warranty would tell you that. Insurance may cover it, but a warranty won't.
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I am not really interested in pedantic arguments over what waterproof really means - I have expensive watches and fully aware of what 'proof' and 'resistant' really mean. IP68 means I can dunk it in a few inches of water for 10 seconds for a quick photo. Period. Tmobile posted an underwater unboxing video and Samsung made a big deal about the phone "being sealed from the inside" so customers are well within their rights to expect the phone to hold up to 10 seconds in a puddle.
In other news.... phone now charges. But won't fast charge, only regular charge. I will give it a few more hours to determine if fast charge is working again. I am not sure if the phone is sophisticated enough to switch to a 'safe mode' and not allow charging for a certain amount of time after moisture is detected, or if it's just slowly waking back up without any software fail safes. I've been using it this entire time so its working like champ, issue limited to charging.
jmm22 said:
No, you don't understand what resistant and proof mean. Waterproof means that is can stay in water indefinitely and at any depth, water resistant means it will remain waterproof for a certain amount of time at a certain pressure (depth). The IP68 rating on phones is water resistance, not truly waterproof. The designation just confuses people who don't bother reading because they title it inaccurately. There's many forums online that explain this.
Please show me where Samsung said that consumers can use the phone underwater and while swimming?
EDIT: I'll help, look at moisture protection 8 (http://www.cnet.com/how-to/water-dust-resistance-ratings-in-gadgets-explained/) it is for accidental submersion and splashing. It is not waterproof and meant to be used underwater. It's accident protection, not an actual usage feature. The whole idea of "waterproof" is marketing, not fact. Anyone who reads up about IP68 knows this.
A device needs to be 50M water resistant before you ever swim with it. The IP68 isn't even close.
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Interesting. Well, now I know.
CuBz90 said:
Also, a website suggested the warranty does not cover water damage, which imo is stupid for a phone that's been advertised as being waterproof.
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That won't fly in Europe for sure. If they try to really pull that they gonna get sued by customer protection agencies in no time.
Hello everyone. So here am I, with a gorgeous S7 edge. The thing made it that some weeks ago this glass thing slipped through my fingers (even tough I had a case on it) and if felt exactly on one of the lower end corners, crackind it's screen. It's not a big deal, just 1-2 inches there, but the problem is that it is. And I struggled to hold on with this visual problem (since the display is fortunately intact), I still want to replace it's glass.
Well, since in my country the screen replacement almost costs half of the price I gave on this phone, I started to have different questions about the repairing, the most important of all being this one: Will replacing the glass remove it's water ingress protection? The repair shop advertises that it offers lamination as repair process, wich in theory should maintain the water protection, but since I can't find any certain answer to this question, I am hoping to find it somewhere here. So, anyone who replaced their phone's glass still has water protection or not? Thanks for checking by, and any answer will be greatly appreciated. :angel:
PS: Happy holidays to everyone. :victory:
Front glass cannot be replaced WITHOUT DAMAGING THE SCREEN, so you had to live with it, or go to authorized samsung repair center and give them the fee for glass repair, if your screen is damaged during replacing they MAY OR MAY NOT fix it for free depending on your country. As far as water protection, only samsung repair center can guarantee the water protection after repair. Can't say anything about local repair shops.
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Front glass cannot be replaced WITHOUT DAMAGING THE SCREEN, so you had to live with it, or go to authorized samsung repair center and give them the fee for glass repair, if your screen is damaged during replacing they MAY OR MAY NOT fix it for free depending on your country. As far as water protection, only samsung repair center can guarantee the water protection after repair. Can't say anything about local repair shops.
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Ok, thanks for the info. Well, many repair stores in my local area now are repairing the glass without damaging the screen, and they guarantee the success, damaging the display (if it's the case) being paid from their side. I was just wondering if it's a posibility to maintain the water resitance after the repair, but I'll try to contact a samsung repair center and a local shop to see the fees and the posibility exists.
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Ok, thanks for the info. Well, many repair stores in my local area now are repairing the glass without damaging the screen, and they guarantee the success, damaging the display (if it's the case) being paid from their side. I was just wondering if it's a posibility to maintain the water resitance after the repair, but I'll try to contact a samsung repair center and a local shop to see the fees and the posibility exists.
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No one can guarantee this bro, even newly box packed phone cannot guarantee water resistance* as water resistance is NOT by any means waterproofed. Good luck
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what u talkin? I've had glass replaced, The glue is removed with very cold temperature, without damaging screen.
any repair dont guarantee waterproof, even when original.
I've paid about 120$ in Poland for oca film. if you have courage nad ability to change it yourself, then repair would cost about 10$
When you go to Samsung they will replace both glass and display , the will re waterproof your phone as a policy , Everytime they open up the phone it has to be waterproofed .