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I know it's a little too early for this thread but it's going to be an interesting topics which will be debated endlessly in the next couple months. Lets face it, CES did little to convince us either options will be superior.
Background information:
Windows 8 seems to be designed for not only tablets in mind, but how the OS is intended to be used. In order to make this possible Mircosoft is designing a version of the OS to be used on ARM processors. ARM processors, found in today's tablets and smartphones, are designed for high preformance with low power consumption.
At the same time Intel has invested a lot of money and research to develop the Clover Trial Atom processor. The atom processors are the processors found in yesterdays notebooks but this new design is also intended for low power consumption.
Known Characteristics of Each:
ARM:
HTML 5 apps only
Possibly Metro UI Only
Low heat
Clover Trail:
x86 architecture. Legacy apps will be compatible as well as HTML 5 apps
Lower preformace than sandy bridge processors
Looking at the above list it seems easy to pick the clover trail but the arm processors are likely to offer better battery life.
Heat issues are also a historic known issue on x86 processors, will continue with clover trail? If a tablet requires a fan width becomes an issue.
I will continue to update the characteristic lists as updates come out so everyone can make the best informed decision possible.
-writing this from my iPad 2 which I can't wait to ditch for something in the Windows 8 flavor
Even on a tablet, I hate the win8 look. I just want my win7 desktop on my iPad 2 also.
I don't think W8 will be as innovative as they say. Windows-8 will either be a hit or a big miss.
I see at least one error in your description, however: Windows 8 on ARM will not be limited to only the HTML5+Javascript apps. They've already demonstrated applications compiled for ARM specifically (including MS Office), so it's safe to conclude we'll see both.
Personally, I LOVE the Metro UI. I think it's the most brilliant shift in UI design in the last 30 years.
For me, I'll be going Windows 8 on ARM and tossing my iPad to the side (probably sell it) as soon as it's available. I'll keep my Windows 7 desktop as-is for the sake of x86/x64 applications in a traditional interface, but Windows 8 is where the market's going. In spite of the naysayers, the odds of it failing are very, very small.
Even Windows Vista, which was a fairly awful product at launch, sold very well (not as well as XP or now 7, but still, well over 200 million units), so it's not remotely a stretch to think that Windows 8, which is slim, light and mind numbingly fast, will also sell well.
Intel's Medfield Atom has proven to be a better performer than the ARM A9 core while offering similar/better power consumption on paper. Personally I don't care for either. I'd rather get ULV Ivy Bridge and live with 4-5 hours of batterylife and probably 8-10 with a keyboard dock, if available.
A ULV Broadwell in 2014 will make all of this moot anyway, x86 chips are more powerful and has major productivity software on lock because of it. Intel is now taking heat/power consumption very seriously and Metro apps for the most part are cross platform so it's Intel's to lose, don't forget that.
dont bet against Intel.... their upcoming tri-gate and finfet tech are gonna put them right in the same league as ARM as far as power consumption is concerned..
if I were a betting man, I'd bet that ARM Windows will be a niche player, while x86 windows will continue to be the dominant flavor, even for tablets, because of Intel's ability to bring down power consumption and price.
That, plus the standardization of x86, and ability for users to install legacy apps + mess around with their OS in an easy way will sway the market far in x86's favor...
Windows 8 has one silver lining left, and that's the Office suite. Android still has no good alternative, and Apple as a killer office app, but not THE Office app.
As long as Microsoft has the mouse behave like a finger, with swiping etc.... Then they'll stand a chance. I wouldn't bet on MS though... for the consumer segment, they need strong solid partnerships, and so far they only have Nokia.
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Windows 8 has one silver lining left, and that's the Office suite. Android still has no good alternative, and Apple as a killer office app, but not THE Office app.
As long as Microsoft has the mouse behave like a finger, with swiping etc.... Then they'll stand a chance. I wouldn't bet on MS though... for the consumer segment, they need strong solid partnerships, and so far they only have Nokia.
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What are you talking about? They have everyone for Windows 8. Android tablets aren't selling like their phone counterparts, are OEMs are waiting impatiently to jump on board with Windows 8. Windows still has many major productivity software for 3D rendering, design (pick any type), video, etc. Android has ICS's movie make and super gimped up Adobe touch apps. Android tablets are nothing more than giant mobile phones. Windows 8 tablets will be Metro touch apps that equal Android mobile apps plus all the desktop software we professionals use.
x86 is miles ahead of arm. as soon as dev's make arm ports of x86 apps i dont know if i will bother with windows 8 on arm until then
2 questions/thoughts... call it what you will.
1. ARM ver of Win8 will (or not?) be way more closed than current (traditional Windows approach) - sort of like Windows Phone is now. Meaning if you want an app you have to get it of the store (ONLY) not from any website like today with Windows. True or False?
If true... imho this is a very bad news for ARM ver of software.
Let say you live in Europe and you want/need program that is specific for US store only. What will you do in such case? Even iOS (bad, closed system, controlled by BIG, BAD APPLE) is more frindly about this tnah Android or Windows Phone.
2. Is it possible (for current ARM SOC's) to emulate x86 (in order to get older soft to work)? I dont think so.
On the other hand x86 should be more than capable to "pretend" it is ARM device . In such case having x86 W8 onboard means we cen als use ARM software if we want to need to (unless both x86 and ARM W8 will be lock tight - but than why would anyone jump of Win7????).
fact is we have no idea what RT will bring to the table or what the software will or will not be able to do, but if we look at the hardware we see a few notable differences
ARM, ultra low watt consumption (potentially good battery life), High performance BUT less grunt so to speak, cheaper price point
x86, higher power consumption(potentially a shorter battery life compared to ARM), High performance but more bang per buck, more expensive price point.
there is a distinct difference between the two models, a difference which I think will be very important. Most every day folk will not need more than ARM, for everyone else including many business users, x86 is there
Being able to run x86 code is my primary concern, im not talking heavy work, the programs are small and light, but x86 is essential for the time being for it to be flexible.
However provided RT isn't completely tied down like WP is AND is at a reasonable price point, I think it will make great inroads in the Low/Mid range tablet market.
I started looking into tablets after September last fall. I wanted something that would give me the most bang for the buck, or at least the minimum compromise. Things broke out in 3 general sections as mentioned previously: ARM, Atom/AMDCxx and X86/AMD (higher end iCore style).
As Windows 8 goes, there will be no real difference between Atom and X86. The instruction sets are the same. Both will support Metro and Windows Legacy apps.
ARM will only support Metro.
Price seems to break along those lines, but I found an exception.
I expect the ARM versions to run in the neighborhood of $400 and less; the Atom class to be in the $400 to $800; and the full X86 to be $600 and up. Of course equipment will also impact this price.
Probably, the most significant piece of equipment will be the screen. While pricing current machines for ARM and Atom (as well as X86), the 1366x1024 resolution was rare and it is required for a split screen feature of the Metro interface.
In the end, I picked a Dell Duo with a dual core hyperthreading Atom processor because it had the required resolution and the price was down as low as anything I could find. I also got a keyboard, but suffered the weight and short battery life.
Performance has been good in most situations, though tinkering with Unity 3d seems like a bad idea on the Atom with Windows 8 (but it's not a release OS yet). And performance lags a little in Unity 3d game execution, too.
Metro looks good to me so far.
So, for an iPad style consumption usage I think the ARM is probably going to work great. Dual core if you can get it.
For a little heavier usage and legacy aps, you'll want an Atom type systyem. I'd say dual core minimum.
And if you want superior performance with no compromise, as always, expect to put the green on the table.
Something on the subject:
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2173...V3&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Twitterfeed
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In the end, I picked a Dell Duo with a dual core hyperthreading Atom processor because it had the required resolution and the price was down as low as anything I could find. I also got a keyboard, but suffered the weight and short battery life.
Performance has been good in most situations, though tinkering with Unity 3d seems like a bad idea on the Atom with Windows 8 (but it's not a release OS yet). And performance lags a little in Unity 3d game execution, too.
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How does internet video work for you on Win 8? What Atom is in your Duo?
I couldn't get netflix or hulu working well on an N280.
I am running 8 on an e-350 (Acer w500), and video works great, but the touch screen is poor around the edges like a number of other Windows 7 tablets where they were designed for accuracy in center, instead of across the board.
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dazza9075 said:
There is a distinct difference between the two models, a difference which I think will be very important. Most every day folk will not need more than ARM, for everyone else including many business users, x86 is there.
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I actually expect a number of our business users on RT. We won't push them to it, but the option will probably be given.
Today they use:
Web based tools.
A few silverlight sites.
Office
We're likely to port our silverlight apps to METRO, first one took a little under a day. At that point, if they wanted an iPad like device, with the new news about sideloading: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsstor...deploying-metro-style-apps-to-businesses.aspx
It is a pretty good fit.
Obviously designers, ops, etc are not going to find RT sufficient, but I expect a subset will. We have some that only use iPads today anyway.
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How does internet video work for you on Win 8? What Atom is in your Duo?
I couldn't get netflix or hulu working well on an N280.
I am running 8 on an e-350 (Acer w500), and video works great, but the touch screen is poor around the edges like a number of other Windows 7 tablets where they were designed for accuracy in center, instead of across the board.
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Same question.
I had Asus 1201N (but it had dual core Atom 330 onboard + Nvidia ION card) - no problems with any video but it was HOT, VERY HOT and very noisy.
I kept Samsung NC10 (same atom chip as in 1201N but single core only and no ION). Watching any video on it is a nightmare :-(. Even YT is not working well.
How does internet video work for you on Win 8?
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Internet video seems to be very good. Currently, things run fairly smoothly. The connection speed is a bigger impact than the processor speed.
Odd item. I just tested real quick and I can now play YouTube videos in the Metro browser. I guess they have the HTML 5 delivery working.
HD on Netflix is a little choppy right now and stutters in the desktop browser. It could be the connection.
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N570 @1.67ghz
I couldn't get netflix or hulu working well on an N280
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I worried about performkance. That's why I went for a dual core at a minimum. The earlier Duo had an N560(?) at 1.5ghz. I don't think it would be enough. Again, it might be the connection, but @ HD right now, it's borderline.
Of course. sometimes it comes down to the video card/processor, too.
I am running 8 on an e-350 (Acer w500), and video works great, but the touch screen is poor around the edges like a number of other Windows 7 tablets where they were designed for accuracy in center, instead of across the board.
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I haven't experienced any issues around the edges ... or any where on the screen. I am pleased overall with the unit and was a bit disappointed when they stopped producing them in December. But, it was largely a test unit.
Thanks for the info Lurk.
Clover Trail pics
I found this article while browsing on tabletpcreview forum.
An online writer Padmx Max, got access to Clover Trails and took some pics of the board and the processor: here is the link
http://www.padmx.com/portal.php?mod=view&aid=1707
The processor is actually stacked under the memory so you can't really see it.
But it is an interesting idea.
Not sure it is Intel Z2580 or z2760 tho.
hello XDA folks,
iam planning to get a 10-11 inch (full HD) windows 8/8.1 tablet running on intel atom baytrail as my budget is limited, 550 pounds to be exact.please suggest any which is currently available or the ones which might be available by christmas time.
thanks in advance
ONly ones in that size are the asus t100 and the dell venue 11
T100 does not have a full hd screen but is a very nice tablet for that amount of money.
That leaves you with just the dell venue 11 then. Which is also set to be running at a higher clock speed than the t100 which for some reason is 1.3ghz which is as low as baytrail offers. The 8" tablets are higher clock speeds.
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That leaves you with just the dell venue 11 then. Which is also set to be running at a higher clock speed than the t100 which for some reason is 1.3ghz which is as low as baytrail offers. The 8" tablets are higher clock speeds.
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The t100 is nice i have one and so far its been fine, it can boost upto 1.86 and iv been able to play football manager 2014 on it, i think having 1080 screen makes things look to small on the screen.
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The t100 is nice i have one and so far its been fine, it can boost upto 1.86 and iv been able to play football manager 2014 on it, i think having 1080 screen makes things look to small on the screen.
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It can boost to 1.86 yes but its base clock is 1.3 whereas the other 8" tablets and dells venue 11 are at 1.8ghz as their base clock speed before turbo mode. I'm not trying to say the T100 is bad by the way. Its just the OP said he wanted full HD which the T100 doesnt have (although I agree with you on not having it on a 10" screen) and the venue is genuinely higher specced. It is alot more expensive though. T100 price is absolutely amazing.
you can consider the HP Omni 10 tablet too, 10.1 full hd touchscreen with z3770 bay trail.... 399 euro/dollars
thanks a lot guys.any idea when baytrail 10 inch from lenovo, acer,hp etc will come to market ?
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thanks a lot guys.any idea when baytrail 10 inch from lenovo, acer,hp etc will come to market ?
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HP's was mentioned (omni, which I hadnt heard of). Lenovo released the Miix 10 recently, but its clovertrail, seems they couldnt wait the matter of weeks for baytrail. Acer released a new 8" and also a haswell 10", no bay trail 10" yet.
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HP's was mentioned (omni, which I hadnt heard of). Lenovo released the Miix 10 recently, but its clovertrail, seems they couldnt wait the matter of weeks for baytrail. Acer released a new 8" and also a haswell 10", no bay trail 10" yet.
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it's a pity levono has clover trail, looks very good machine...but already old..
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HP's was mentioned (omni, which I hadnt heard of). Lenovo released the Miix 10 recently, but its clovertrail, seems they couldnt wait the matter of weeks for baytrail. Acer released a new 8" and also a haswell 10", no bay trail 10" yet.
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Acer P3 seems a sweet deal at 570 pounds.does anybody reviewed it here ?
Ok, so basically what i am wondering is if the Dell venue [baytrail] tablets are able to upgrade their OS? I really want to purchase the Dell Venue 11 Pro but i am reluctant to because when reviewing it i discovered that it only comes with the 32-bit version of windows 8.1. I was surprised because i knew that the baytrail processor actually supports 64-bit operating systems. Its just that the current 64-bit windows 8.1 OS does not have working drivers that are compatible with the Dell venue pros :| . (How convenient for me).
Basically what i am hoping is to get an answer from a person who already owns one or knows a little bit more about it. Are the venue pros capable of having their operating system wiped and having anything installed on it? IE. Ubuntu, or some other linux distro? because if this is the case then that would mean once a driver comes out that supports baytrails processor for the 64-bit version that customers with already purchased tablets can easily re-install the 64-bit version.
Just to note, so far i talked to some people from dell but they said i could not upgrade the OS. So, now i am going to try my luck with the tech department. Im hoping they will know a lot more about this.
Also, the reason i am wanting this tablet is so that i can program on it as well as take notes for my classes. I am currently going for a computer engineering degree with the computer science route @ Texas A&M- College station.
If anything, if i get enough taxes back i will purchase the the i3 version or maybe the surface pro 2. Im not sure yet =_= but that is a discussion for another thread. (basically i would like to be able to run unity, or blender on the tablet, and i know those programs are to processor intensive to run on an atom processor)
Unity or blender, sounds like you would be better off skipping tablets and actually getting a laptop or bare minimum something like the aforementioned surface pro 2.
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Unity or blender, sounds like you would be better off skipping tablets and actually getting a laptop or bare minimum something like the aforementioned surface pro 2.
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I have actually thought of using a team viewer app so that i can connect to my desktop when wanting to deal with unity....im just not sure if team viewer will support touch input :S . As for the tablet i just want it to be capable on its own. The baytrail can run full windows application so if team viewer does not support touch throughput then maybe something else will. I also want a tablet that can be self capable of course. So far from what i have read, the CPU seems to be superior to all ARM processors. But, unfortunately the graphics are terrible when compared to the latest arms. So that is why i am also wondering. Should i wait till the end of 2014 to buy a cherry trial tablet?
Cherry trail will be the next generation in the atom processors that will have a faster cpu and will have 4 times the graphics cores... so hopefully up to 4 times the graphics capabilities which will put it well ahead of all current arm processors. Even the upcoming Snapdragon 805 processor!
the main downfalls for me that are preventing me from getting a Dell Venue pro 11 are three things. First, that its on 32-bit windows, second it only has 2GB of ram, and third that the graphics on the tablet are terrible!
So all that aside.... should i wait for the cherry trail version of the Dell venue 11 pro? or wait for the 64-bit version of the baytrail venue pro with upgraded ram comes out... (if it comes out)
The SP3 has been announced. It is of similar weight as the Note PRO, same size, has stylus and touch screen, similar or better power consumption and run Windows. Is there any reason that I should keep the PRO 12.2 rather than trading it in for the SP3?
Have to admit that I'm tempted as well. The only thing is that many android apps aren't available for win8.1. Although you could run android in a virtual machine...
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What kind of Android apps that do not have an equivalent or superior version under Windows or Mac OS? If that SP3 were running Mac OS, I would definitely trade in.
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The SP3 has been announced. It is of similar weight as the Note PRO, same size, has stylus and touch screen, similar or better power consumption and run Windows. Is there any reason that I should keep the PRO 12.2 rather than trading it in for the SP3?
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I sold mine. Not for a windows tablet though.
Just couldn't stand the lack of development for the tablet.
What's the price of the Surface Pro 3? I read somewhere that it's in the $1900 range . .
Edit: Guess thats the high end one, low end starts at $800.
Mine is on the way.. Damn. If the pen technology is the same, i will keep the note, as the surface pro will likely retail at around 750 gbp since its 800 dollars. The note pro was recently discounted thus bought it cheaper at 500 gbp. I hope the note taking is not better than the note
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Yeah the surface pro 3 is going to be a good laptop replacement. I'll stick with android though, I like my toys and want to tinker with things. When development gets going on this tablet things should be fun.
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Will it though?
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It's tempting, VERY tempting, untill you take a look at this:
Intel Core i3, 64 GB storage and 4 GB of RAM—$799
Intel Core i5, 128 GB storage and 4 GB of RAM—$999
Intel Core i5, 256 GB storage and 8 GB of RAM—$1,299
Intel Core i7, 256 GB storage and 8 GB of RAM—$1,549
Intel Core i7, 512 GB storage and 8 GB of RAM—$1,949
I'd want the one I could use as a real PC, and I'd want to be able to play my Games on it. And for 1949, I'll just buy my own gaming laptop(i7 3.2Ghz, 2TB, 16GBRAM, GT740M 4GB) again and take that with me. (Size and weight are of no importance to me, what's 1.5kg on an average 40kg backpack?). And still have enough money left to buy a TabPro for portable entertainment purposes.
12.2" is not enough for my work usage (As a graphic designer I require at least 22").
Also, it runs a Intel HD 4400 integrated GPU. No way in hell am I paying 2000 quid for that nightmarish piece of rubbish! Running Photoshop CS6 on an Intel HD, as if! Also, as a serious Gamer (Skyrim, Mass Effect), it's useless.
Once it starts having serious Nvidia GPU's, I'll consider it. For now I'm more than happy with my NotePro.
The key consideration in question is the 800 quid model
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Yeah i am probably getting it. I have the original Surface pro and needed a larger screen - i like it thinned down alittle and all the other refinements they did. If you are in the US looking for a good deal on the Note pro- PM me.
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What kind of Android apps that do not have an equivalent or superior version under Windows or Mac OS? If that SP3 were running Mac OS, I would definitely trade in.
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Android and iOS are great for consumption. Windows is great for productivity and business connectivity. Android fakes productivity better than Windows fakes consumption. Windows is Windows. With driver issues, desktop apps not designed for touch or an ultra HD display, and having to rely on a browser for a lot of things where apps aren't available. The SP3 changes none of that. My Note is a far better laptop supplement than the SP3 is a stand-alone tablet. My "laptop replacement" is still a laptop and Samsung's Pros and the SP3 haven't changed my thinking. What has changed is I can now leave my laptop and its bag full of paraphernalia at home 50% of the time because of the productivity and performance gains Samsung's introduced with the Pro's.
The second vignette in this commercial says it all...
P.S. - For those who handwriting is important, research N-trig. It's what MS is using in place of an active digitizer and Wacom which Samsung uses on the Notes. It's a pretty big compromise and I'll bet highly problematic on such a high-res display.
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Android and iOS are great for consumption. Windows is great for productivity and business connectivity. Android fakes productivity better than Windows fakes consumption. Windows is Windows. With driver issues, desktop apps not designed for touch or an ultra HD display, and having to rely on a browser for a lot of things where apps aren't available. The SP3 changes none of that. My Note is a far better laptop supplement than the SP3 is a stand-alone tablet. My "laptop replacement" is still a laptop and Samsung's Pros and the SP3 haven't changed my thinking. What has changed is I can now leave my laptop and its bag full of paraphernalia at home 50% of the time because of the productivity and performance gains Samsung's introduced with the Pro's.
The second vignette in this commercial says it all...
P.S. - For those who handwriting is important, research N-trig. It's what MS is using in place of an active digitizer and Wacom which Samsung uses on the Notes. It's a pretty big compromise and I'll bet highly problematic on such a high-res display.
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Mines got the retina thingy lmao
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Mines got the retina thingy lmao
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You have to give Samsung credit. In less than a minute they took out the iPad Air, Surface, Kindle, and iPad Mini.
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Android and iOS are great for consumption. Windows is great for productivity and business connectivity. Android fakes productivity better than Windows fakes consumption. Windows is Windows. With driver issues, desktop apps not designed for touch or an ultra HD display, and having to rely on a browser for a lot of things where apps aren't available. The SP3 changes none of that. My Note is a far better laptop supplement than the SP3 is a stand-alone tablet. My "laptop replacement" is still a laptop and Samsung's Pros and the SP3 haven't changed my thinking. What has changed is I can now leave my laptop and its bag full of paraphernalia at home 50% of the time because of the productivity and performance gains Samsung's introduced with the Pro's.
The second vignette in this commercial says it all...
P.S. - For those who handwriting is important, research N-trig. It's what MS is using in place of an active digitizer and Wacom which Samsung uses on the Notes. It's a pretty big compromise and I'll bet highly problematic on such a high-res display.
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Yeah if the note taking is expected to be better in Note pro 12, then I am sticking to it. mine is on the way. but microsoft made a fuss about their pen technology being really good with surface pro 3..
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Yeah if the note taking is expected to be better in Note pro 12, then I am sticking to it. mine is on the way. but microsoft made a fuss about their pen technology being really good with surface pro 3..
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Good point. Though I'm still not convinced of the Windows 8.1 as a tablet interface. Android feels more comfortable for tablet use, and I can customize it quite a lot (Switchr + NotesMobile which I feel is the best note taking app, beats even OneNote though misses on the online sync).
So for extensive reading and writing(wacom!) Note Pro really is the best available. For more productive work I still can't forego windows, and that is on a laptop with a big screen (14+).
Maybe Windows 9 and Office 2015 can change my mind. But will wait and see.
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It's tempting, VERY tempting, untill you take a look at this:
Intel Core i3, 64 GB storage and 4 GB of RAM—$799
Intel Core i5, 128 GB storage and 4 GB of RAM—$999
Intel Core i5, 256 GB storage and 8 GB of RAM—$1,299
Intel Core i7, 256 GB storage and 8 GB of RAM—$1,549
Intel Core i7, 512 GB storage and 8 GB of RAM—$1,949
I'd want the one I could use as a real PC, and I'd want to be able to play my Games on it. And for 1949, I'll just buy my own gaming laptop(i7 3.2Ghz, 2TB, 16GBRAM, GT740M 4GB) again and take that with me. (Size and weight are of no importance to me, what's 1.5kg on an average 40kg backpack?). And still have enough money left to buy a TabPro for portable entertainment purposes.
12.2" is not enough for my work usage (As a graphic designer I require at least 22").
Also, it runs a Intel HD 4400 integrated GPU. No way in hell am I paying 2000 quid for that nightmarish piece of rubbish! Running Photoshop CS6 on an Intel HD, as if! Also, as a serious Gamer (Skyrim, Mass Effect), it's useless.
Once it starts having serious Nvidia GPU's, I'll consider it. For now I'm more than happy with my NotePro.
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I don't think SP3 is designed for game lover. It is a replacement for laptop. So it is very tempting for the people who have Note Pro or is considering Note Pro.
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I don't think SP3 is designed for game lover. It is a replacement for laptop. So it is very tempting for the people who have Note Pro or is considering Note Pro.
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If it has to replace my laptop, it has to be game-capable. Particularly if it's 500 quid more expensive than my laptop.... (Yes, my laptop was 1300 euro.)
Because my laptop is used 70% of the time for gaming. (and the other 30% for Photoshop)
They can't give it a general tagline and after the fact say "Oh, but we didn't mean that..".
The thing is though that the need for portability and the power requirements of high performance gaming graphics chipsets compete against each other. Desktops always trump laptops in gaming and because the tablet form factor is expected to be smaller than laptops they will always be trumped by laptops.
As for development on this tablet hopefully it will come; in the meantime modifications using Xposed fill the void quite well.
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It's tempting, VERY tempting, untill you take a look at this:
Intel Core i7, 512 GB storage and 8 GB of RAM—$1,949
Also, it runs a Intel HD 4400 integrated GPU. No way in hell am I paying 2000 quid for that nightmarish piece of rubbish! Running Photoshop CS6 on an Intel HD, as if! Also, as a serious Gamer (Skyrim, Mass Effect), it's useless.
Once it starts having serious Nvidia GPU's, I'll consider it. For now I'm more than happy with my NotePro.
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2 grand for the one I would want, and stupid on board intel HD graphics? Going to have to pass on that. Zeesh.
Would like some opinions and have a few questions
I currently have an Acer w4 8 inch win 8 tablet and it serves me pretty well, 64GB, gets 8-9 hrs batter life. The screen is only 1280X800
I'm intrigued by some of these new Chinese Win 8 tablets that offer 1080P+ screen resolutions, dual boot Android, are thin and resemble Ipads and ar pretty cheap most being under $200
It is hard to find some real user experience with them though and some real opinions would be great
So far my search has only come up with two possibilities
Onda V891w 64GB
Chuwi V89 64GB
Are their anymore 64GB variants of these types of tablets? I'm familar with Teclast from their portable audio days and like their hardware but can;t seem to find a model they offer with 64Gb of space. My current Acer w4 is 64GB and I have 30GB free with not much installed so I'd probably be pushing it with a 32GB model right off the bat. The main reason I'd switch from my Acer W4 is to play around with dual boot android and to get a high res screen
So some questions
On the dual boot Tablets do any of them have access to the Google play store? I suspect not so can google play be side loaded and actually run official google play apps?
Does Android run well on these?
How is the battery life on these types of tablets? is 7-10 hrs possible?
Does the high res screen bog down the Baytrail processors compared to the lower res screens?
How are people dealing with a 32GB Win tablet? Don't you run out of space quickly?
I see on alot of the youtube videos some of the menu's in Win 8.1 are in Chinese, is this still the case when you change the language in Windows to English?
Beside the two models I have listed are their any other worth considering that offer 64GB space?
Thanks for any feedback, I have used Chinese brands before in the Portable audio world even loading custom roms etc on them and I'm not opposed to some tweaking if need be.
coiloftears said:
Would like some opinions and have a few questions
I currently have an Acer w4 8 inch win 8 tablet and it serves me pretty well, 64GB, gets 8-9 hrs batter life. The screen is only 1280X800
I'm intrigued by some of these new Chinese Win 8 tablets that offer 1080P+ screen resolutions, dual boot Android, are thin and resemble Ipads and ar pretty cheap most being under $200
It is hard to find some real user experience with them though and some real opinions would be great
So far my search has only come up with two possibilities
Onda V891w 64GB
Chuwi V89 64GB
Are their anymore 64GB variants of these types of tablets? I'm familar with Teclast from their portable audio days and like their hardware but can;t seem to find a model they offer with 64Gb of space. My current Acer w4 is 64GB and I have 30GB free with not much installed so I'd probably be pushing it with a 32GB model right off the bat. The main reason I'd switch from my Acer W4 is to play around with dual boot android and to get a high res screen
So some questions
On the dual boot Tablets do any of them have access to the Google play store? I suspect not so can google play be side loaded and actually run official google play apps?
Does Android run well on these?
How is the battery life on these types of tablets? is 7-10 hrs possible?
Does the high res screen bog down the Baytrail processors compared to the lower res screens?
How are people dealing with a 32GB Win tablet? Don't you run out of space quickly?
I see on alot of the youtube videos some of the menu's in Win 8.1 are in Chinese, is this still the case when you change the language in Windows to English?
Beside the two models I have listed are their any other worth considering that offer 64GB space?
Thanks for any feedback, I have used Chinese brands before in the Portable audio world even loading custom roms etc on them and I'm not opposed to some tweaking if need be.
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That Onda w981v is a failure as most Onda products are. Same thing applies for Chuwi. The only brand I would recommend is Teclast. I got X80h because it was cheap. 125$ shipped with DHL. 32gb is not enough for a Dual-OS tablet. Only 6Gb left. I don't have any problems. Did all the updates and works perfectly. It is fast considering that it has a 17$ Intel Atom processor. Battery isn't great, around 3-4 hours. Games work great. Tested Warcraft 3, Mafia, Quake 3 Arena and hadn't any lags. It has Toshiba eMMC which is fast. If that w981v was a quality tablet, it would have been the best deal ever at just 155$. But I am happy with my X80h.
At the moment I don't see myself paying a cent more for any other Dual-OS tablet than X80h. But that's just me. I do not need 64GB eMMC as I have USB port connected all the time and have 40mb/s speeds via 64GB USB stick. It's just a tablet, not a laptop. And the most important thing is that at the moment I believe X80h is one of the most stable chinese tablets on the market. They have all the high quality components. Chuwi, Onda, Pipo etc are far behind Teclast.
99% is in English
If I was you, I would avoid Teclast. Their hardware build quality is sometimes questionable (look at the X10HD) and their version of a dual boot OS has so many issues. (again look at the complaints by users of X10HD). In terms of build quality, PiPO and Onda are 2 of the best. Ondas dual boot system seems to be much more solid. These two manufacturers actually have good quality tablets that feel worth the money. I'm not sure about Chuwi, Ployer or Cube in terms of build quality.
Honestly if you're going to get dual boot, then you should get 64GB minimum. A dual boot OS on 32GB is a joke. You are limited for space on both sides.
If you want to get a good overview of some of the tablets on the market, then follow @Hendrickson who is a XDA member and runs his own Youtube channel reviewing many of the Chinese tablets. Chris does a great job and you will get more insight into what you should be looking out for.
Yea looks like I'll stick with my Acer w4 64GB Win 8.1 tablet until the cherry trail Tablets are out. The only thing of interest in these were the higher res screen and the Dual boot OS but even a 64GB version would leave the win 8.1 side with very little space. I have about 30GB of free space on my Acer W4 64GB tablet. Also seems like none of these are going to get the 9HR battery life of my Acer as well. These are interesting tablets but they don;t seem ready for primetime.
What is Hendrickson's youtube channel URL?