Am I the only one thinking that Sony being handled as "the most developer community friendly company" is a bit of nonsense?
Look at what problems the official bootloader unlock poses with Sony and all the uncertainty what's still working after and what not.
With HTC you don't have these problems the only thing there is that a few easily reinstallable apps get deleted but nothing like camera not working or not so good anymore, lost DRM keys, lost other features, not the mention the complete wipe of nearly everything when unlocking the bootloader with Sony even with Samsung this whole process is easier as far as I know.
I can understand why the DRM keys are deleted even though it wouldn't be necessary as they are bound to the exact phone so piracy isn't really possible but with the previous Xperias where even the camera stopped working until Android 4.3 and other features were rendered unusable I'm having a hard time to believe this is "the most developer community friendly company".
They should be named as the most GPL compliant company as far as I read.
Or am I missing some important points completely?
You're kinda right, although you should notice that Sony is improving every year.
You loose nothing, just music unlimitted and video unlimitted, which i believe sony has right to. And your example of htc isnt valid, as bootloader unlock is basically same stuff factory reset is also made.
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You're greatly exaggerating the camera issues... The camera has always worked after unlocking except for a short time with the Z1. This wasn't intentional and Sony fixed it.
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Video unlimited and maybe even music unlimited isn't even working here in Austria so... But no other manufacturer wipes your SD-card content too isn't it so?
I've read about losing mobile Bravia engine, x-reality, song info download, ..... at least with z1
Nope everything seems to be working. And no, it doesnt wipe sd card, that would be nonsense. You could just remove card and insert it later after unlocking dont you think?
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This from their bootloader unlock page:
For Xperia™ devices released 2013 or later (for example Xperia™ Z and Xperia™ ZL), the SD card of your device will be formatted and you will lose all content (for example photos, music, videos) when you unlock the boot loader.
Maybe they mean internal storage/SD-card but then they should declare it better
Those are the drawbacks of unlocking it. They are dev friendly because all of their devices (except ones sold in carriers, but they don't have control over it) have unlockable bootloaders, and they provide all the tools, with tutorials and such to do it. They also offer great tools and files to help other devs do their work.
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everything is working fine on my unlocked bootloader except the unlimited services as others have said, camera is fine, well...overheats but meh
Um I actually thing Sony is the least developer friendly company...
I had various brand phone and HTC/Samsung blows Sony in terms of development...
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regenwurm16 said:
Am I the only one thinking that Sony being handled as "the most developer community friendly company" is a bit of nonsense?
Look at what problems the official bootloader unlock poses with Sony and all the uncertainty what's still working after and what not.
With HTC you don't have these problems the only thing there is that a few easily reinstallable apps get deleted but nothing like camera not working or not so good anymore, lost DRM keys, lost other features, not the mention the complete wipe of nearly everything when unlocking the bootloader with Sony even with Samsung this whole process is easier as far as I know.
I can understand why the DRM keys are deleted even though it wouldn't be necessary as they are bound to the exact phone so piracy isn't really possible but with the previous Xperias where even the camera stopped working until Android 4.3 and other features were rendered unusable I'm having a hard time to believe this is "the most developer community friendly company".
They should be named as the most GPL compliant company as far as I read.
Or am I missing some important points completely?
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i had a HTC One X... unlocking bootloader wiped the /data partition (internal SDCard)
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Nope everything seems to be working. And no, it doesnt wipe sd card, that would be nonsense. You could just remove card and insert it later after unlocking dont you think?
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Nice... Really need root...
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flumps said:
everything is working fine on my unlocked bootloader except the unlimited services as others have said, camera is fine, well...overheats but meh
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Hey buddy can you check x-reality still works?
It does, there isn't anything lost that's worth noting
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Dude, boot loader unlock resets and formats even Nexus devices. What are you on about?
shinshoryuken said:
Um I actually thing Sony is the least developer friendly company...
I had various brand phone and HTC/Samsung blows Sony in terms of development...
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That! Lol
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shinshoryuken said:
Um I actually thing Sony is the least developer friendly company...
I had various brand phone and HTC/Samsung blows Sony in terms of development...
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Well nope... U had more development in those phones cause there was a larger community for them... It wasn't HTC or Samsung's tools but user created ones for them
Z2 is very new..and isn't available in half the world yet.. Let people get the device first and then contribute
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Well nope... U had more development in those phones cause there was a larger community for them... It wasn't HTC or Samsung's tools but user created ones for them
Z2 is very new..and isn't available in half the world yet.. Let people get the device first and then contribute
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Wrong!
I had the z1 and the development community was a ghost town!
So that's no excuse!!!
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Wrong!
I had the z1 and the development community was a ghost town!
So that's no excuse!!!
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No idea about that as I never had the z1 myself... And don't think it was popular either... Check out z or s or even arc for that matter
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Wrong!
I had the z1 and the development community was a ghost town!
So that's no excuse!!!
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Are you comparing to all those kang ROMs for example Samsung devices have? Did you notice that all those ROMs have the same features? That's no real developing.
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I just rooted my phone because I wanted to use the Market Access fix. Did that and now I got all Market apps, but now what do I do with the root? Can someone tell me some cool stuff I can do with the root of my Xperia X10?
get rid of your carrier apps xD
Lol yeah that was the first thing I did.
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Lol yeah that was the first thing I did.
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ok ran out of ideas XD
change the fonts to something cooler
Rootexplorer is simple and clean.
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Root is useless, what you need is bootloader hack to enable custom roms to be install onto x10 like Android 2.1 or 2.2.
But bootloader will never happen because no one can crack it. The way it going I say never. These devs guys are not good enough and I dont think they're knows what they are doing ... just try errors.
Live with your x10 or get a real device like HTC or Apple iphone4 I say.
Just so everyone know I am a collector and I got em all (hTc, apple iphone, samsung, nokia etc) but x10i is not the best IMO.
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But bootloader will never happen because no one can crack it. The way it going I say never. These devs guys are not good enough and I dont think they're knowing what they are doing ... just try errors..
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Well considering the security that's implemented on the phone It's no wonder they're having difficulties. These developers mostly do it for free as a hobby and have created many great ROMs for other phones. What contributions have you made before you start rubbishing them and tout for business?
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Install where's my Droid or some app like it as a system app so if u lose you're phone it wont matter if someone swaps sims or does a factory reset. U can still track it.
Use droidwall to limit what accesses data.
If u need support for certain languages u need root.
Use custom fonts.
Change screen density
And the list goes on...
is there a change we would have root soon as the Arc wil be released ?
otherwise i have to go for the SGS2
We won't know til we try it! Shouldn't think it would take long though..
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That all depends on how locked down the Arc has been. The X10 still hasn't had the bootloader fully cracked yet.
locked bootloader?
will the arc have a locked bootloader?
i mo more will buy a device with a locked bootloader.
Yes, the Arc, Neo, Pro and Play come with a locked bootloader. Can't see why SE would unlock it.
thats silly though... In that case, a lot of android/root lovers wouldnt buy the phone simply because the bootloader is locked.
For instance, I do not even consider the atrix a choice for a future phone because of the locked bootloader, I wish they let you do what you wanted with your phone, because they can always say **** you if you violate the warranty
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thats silly though... In that case, a lot of android/root lovers wouldnt buy the phone simply because the bootloader is locked.
For instance, I do not even consider the atrix a choice for a future phone because of the locked bootloader, I wish they let you do what you wanted with your phone, because they can always say **** you if you violate the warranty
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Many are going with the locked bootloader now, even Samsung ( though developers managed to unlock in a short time )
Plus, you'll be amazed by the speed of 2.3 OS and its functionality, so I don't think we'll need Custom ROMs and rooting ( keep in mind that most users here seek those because of the stock OS being unreliable and very slow ) talking about all devices prior to 2.3 OS
+1 that was the main reason i rooted in the end... Still on stock rom on my x10 but had optimised for performance. Won't both doing that if the arc runs well.. I like the ui a well as the physical design.. That's why I choose SE over htc/ others.
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im_iceman said:
I like the ui a well as the physical design.. That's why I choose SE over htc/ others.
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That is for sure a fact for me as well and as you mentioned only reason to go with SE. (Sony in General).
Rooting will let you do more tweaks as much as possible and unless you are into playing with your phone deep, you don't need it. Hopefully SE will do a better job in terms of support than what they did with X10 and X2 and X1.
I want root solely for Titanium Backup and Autostarts
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I want root solely for Titanium Backup and Autostarts
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But what I'm guessing is that you don't really need titanium backup if you aren't flashing roms...
One thing I really really want root for is wireless tethering
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But what I'm guessing is that you don't really need titanium backup if you aren't flashing roms...
One thing I really really want root for is wireless tethering
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True, but I like using it to backup unwanted preloaded system apps etc. before removing/freezing them Already have a paid license from when I was screwing around with the ROM on my IS01, and it's a little easier than digging around in the folders for the right apks.
And yeah, wireless tethering is a big one. No idea how I forgot about it.
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And yeah, wireless tethering is a big one. No idea how I forgot about it.
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In 2.3.3 wireless and USB tethering is standard, no root is need but of course root is very useful in other situations.
arek1 said:
In 2.3.3 wireless and USB tethering is standard, no root is need but of course root is very useful in other situations.
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It's not so much whether the Android version will support it, but more whether your particular carrier wants to support or allow it
Let's hope unbranded/unlocked devices have tethering then!
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Let's hope unbranded/unlocked devices have tethering then!
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I can't see reason why unbranded/unlocked phone will haven't tethering.
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I can't see reason why unbranded/unlocked phone will haven't tethering.
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Well, here in Belgium we have completely unbranded and completely unlocked Androids, but because of a conflict of Youtube with SABAM (the Belgian music rights thing), Youtube access is blocked (no Youtube app) on all Belgian handsets. Weird things happen, you never know!
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Well, here in Belgium we have completely unbranded and completely unlocked Androids, but because of a conflict of Youtube with SABAM (the Belgian music rights thing), Youtube access is blocked (no Youtube app) on all Belgian handsets. Weird things happen, you never know!
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I agree it is possible some carrier will block some function in phones but I hope in unbranded phones it will not be
Can you in Belgium just download Youtube application from market?
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I agree it is possible some carrier will block some function in phones but I hope in unbranded phones it will not be
Can you in Belgium just download Youtube application from market?
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As far as I know, Sony Ericsson is the only vendor that has firmware specific for Belgium. On the X10 for example you can only get Youtube if you manually install the APK from somewhere else. (X10 = 2.1, so no Youtube from the market anyway)
At the press event the people from Sony Ericsson said you can just install Youtube from the market on 2.3 (I think). In any case, I just ordered the Dutch version, it comes with completely generic firmware, and faster updates. Belgium was always a few weeks behind.
Think this has gone a bit off topic, but in general the arc should be an easy one to root, since it can be purchased with an unlocked bootloader ect.
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Just saw this this morning.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/12/0...d&utm_campaign=Feed:+XperiaBlog+(Xperia+Blog)
Oh wow, saddens me that Samsung don't offer this much support for the S3, we're still fighting for the Exynos sources to be released!
Well that is cool...fingers crossed for play support soon lol
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Wow! I cant believe it ^^
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Glad to know sony still cares
So is this an official version of the flashtool that we've been using forever?? The one from Bin4ry & Androxyde? I hope Sony paid them some cash for the idea.lol.
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cyrusalmighty said:
So is this an official version of the flashtool that we've been using forever?? The one from Bin4ry & Androxyde? I hope Sony paid them some cash for the idea.lol.
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Not -.-
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Can anyone confirm if Sony even sends you the password email?
I've been waiting for a whole day now!
someone755 said:
Can anyone confirm if Sony even sends you the password email?
I've been waiting for a whole day now!
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which password do you want, you don't need it
Well, if you go and download the thing from SonyDevelopers website and install it, you needto login, but Sony doesn't send a confirmation email...
Anyways, I solved my problem with relocking the bootloader and then flashing the stock FW... (not a great solution, but better than waiting for 3 days for Sony to reply...)
Hate to revive a dead thread but didnt want to make a new one, Sony's own flashtool now support the Xperia PLAY R800i, wonder if other versions work of the PLAY:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/services/flash-tool/supported_phones/
Supported phones and flash key mappings
Xperia P (LT22i) – volume down
Xperia ZL (C6503) – volume down
Xperia Z (C6603) – volume down
Xperia PLAY (R800i) – back
Xperia E dual (C1605)– volume down
Xperia E (C1505) – volume down
Xperia T (LT30p) – volume down
Xperia S (LT26i) – volume down
Xperia arc (LT15i) – back
Xperia arc S (LT18i) – back
Link to download Sony's Flashtool for those interested:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/services/flash-tool/
ozzmanj1 said:
Hate to revive a dead thread but didnt want to make a new one, Sony's own flashtool now support the Xperia PLAY R800i, wonder if other versions work of the PLAY:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/services/flash-tool/supported_phones/
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Is there any interesting firmware on Emma public? Anyone had a look?
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Is there any interesting firmware on Emma public? Anyone had a look?
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I have not, I am actually at work and just threw this update up during lunch. I will take a look this weekend to see if there are anything new, unless of course someone beats me to it.
Cool. I can't check at the moment as the only play I have on me at moment is my locked boot one (couple unlocked ones back at home).
Can't belive no one has picked up on this as those beta's (belived to be betas as same firmware numbered/letter as first) ICS versions certified around December could (Small chance) be in Emma public as that's how the Xperia T got its Alpha JB from Sony.
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Cool. I can't check at the moment as the only play I have on me at moment is my locked boot one (couple unlocked ones back at home).
Can't belive no one has picked up on this as those beta's (belived to be betas as same firmware numbered/letter as first) ICS versions certified around December could (Small chance) be in Emma public as that's how the Xperia T got its Alpha JB from Sony.
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I downloaded installed and the flashtool, only to learn you have to register to use it. I have registered but now have now have to wait for a confirmation email then I can use it. I will give it a spin soon as I get the email and when I can. It would be interesting if Sony's flashtool had the beta firmwares from Dec... but I really dont want to open that can of worms unless it actually works.
You don't have to register to use Emma. Actually, you shouldn't use that thing...
You have to copy some files into the instalation folder and then it'll work.
If you wait for that email, forget about it. It will never arrive.
See the 'official' tutorial on how to install.
I once had the same problem, waiting for over a month for that email...
Hope that helps
someone755 said:
You don't have to register to use Emma. Actually, you shouldn't use that thing...
You have to copy some files into the instalation folder and then it'll work.
If you wait for that email, forget about it. It will never arrive.
See the 'official' tutorial on how to install.
I once had the same problem, waiting for over a month for that email...
Hope that helps
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huh, ok. Thank you.
Edit - Dont know why I didnt see that, I read the instructions but I guess I just didnt see that part, anyways working now. I am at work but its a slow day perhaps I will run with it. Also, will I need to relock my bootloader to use this?
Edit 2: Can anyone explain what this means? I am rooted running DoomKernel. And EMMA is telling me I am locked...... see attached screenshot
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huh, ok. Thank you.
Edit - Dont know why I didnt see that, I read the instructions but I guess I just didnt see that part, anyways working now. I am at work but its a slow day perhaps I will run with it. Also, will I need to relock my bootloader to use this?
Edit 2: Can anyone explain what this means? I am rooted running DoomKernel. And EMMA is telling me I am locked...... see attached screenshot
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1) You only need to register for internal Sony full Emma (flash prototypes, dev, and locked retail devices for Sony personal only so won't ever get confirmation.
2) Did you unlock via test point? If so that is why it's saying your locked as you still have all the drm's most likely
Not home for a few days but will see what's on there with my official unlocked R800i's
Lets hope some good news awaits but won't hold out hopes as this is Sony
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1) You only need to register for internal Sony full Emma (flash prototypes, dev, and locked retail devices for Sony personal only so won't ever get confirmation.
2) Did you unlock via test point? If so that is why it's saying your locked as you still have all the drm's most likely
Not home for a few days but will see what's on there with my official unlocked R800i's
Lets hope some good news awaits but won't hold out hopes as this is Sony
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I am using a protoype R800at. And it came bootloader unlocked but I had to testpoint to remove the sim lock. I am going to guess I wont be able to use this tool......
Edit: Link of phone I own, second picture and zoom in you can see under battery it says Prototype not for retail, plus under the four front buttons it says Prototype not for sale and lists a series of numbers.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121049115364?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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I am using a protoype R800at. And it came bootloader unlocked but I had to testpoint to remove the sim lock. I am going to guess I wont be able to use this tool......
Edit: Link of phone I own, second picture and zoom in you can see under battery it says Prototype not for retail, plus under the four front buttons it says Prototype not for sale and lists a series of numbers.
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No most likely not, unless IF there is firmware and someone takes it and turns into FTF (Not sure if possible from Emma as mite not be a blob to convert) a Zip or a nandroid backup.
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Not sure what is going on here, but it doesn't look good between dhacker and CM:
http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/65939/
Remove Moto X/Droid Ultra: Maintainer is incompetent
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Not sure what is going on here, but it doesn't look good between dhacker and CM:
http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/65939/
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that commit message though lol
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that commit message though lol
Sent from my fingers to your face
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OMG, that's hilarious!!
#BlameProTekk
read the last comment, apparently dhacker abandoned cm
Well there goes that.
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I pretty sure he's referring to the commit bring abandoned
Well if the support's loose, hopefully they can tighten it back up.
Wouldn't bother me if it did happen though, this is the only phone I've ever had where I prefer the stock ROM (with some xposed tweaks) to a custom, including CM which has been on every device I've owned that it supports.
It was just a matter of time before he lost it again.. Really am surprised it took that long.
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I have not run a ROM yet that didn't have issues its not even worth it with xposed. Since I have some apps that require xposed modules to work I have to run it anyway. So there is no benefit to a custom ROM that since the beginning has been broken ie. No speaker phone camera and video issues. Just don't see the need unless it was flawless. I will say this my phone is much smoother on a custom ROM that is for sure. But no active notifications and touch less control sucks.
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Well, Active Display and Touchless control were not going to be portable anyway..
Most of the things in GravityBox give a feel of a custom ROM.
One thing I don't understand, why all the hate for xposed modules? I am not too fond that they must exist but don't get why one be be so obverse to running a couple to make life better.
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Once Motorola stops supporting this phone , we will need custom roms to stay updated. And I think AD and TC will be an inbuilt feature in the future versions of android. So I would want dev to go on to keep this community alive.
Ya.. I think that's one of the reasons they bought Moto.. Patents
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You sure this is serious, rather than just joking around or teasing each other?
As far as I know, he's not the kind of guy that takes any type of criticism well.. I've seen his actions all the way back to the days of the droid bionic. He just doesn't have what you'd call an "award-winning personality."
Tag him in this thread and ask him yourself. He might respond.
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Once Motorola stops supporting this phone , we will need custom roms to stay updated. And I think AD and TC will be an inbuilt feature in the future versions of android. So I would want dev to go on to keep this community alive.
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By that time I'll have a new phone I do hope they figure out how to get the active notifications and touch less control in a ROM.
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Hey guys.
I've been searching around a bit looking for a solution to get the Playstation app and remote play app working on unlocked bootloader, but I haven't found anything.
Is it even possible?
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SuperVaesel said:
Hey guys.
I've been searching around a bit looking for a solution to get the Playstation app and remote play app working on unlocked bootloader, but I haven't found anything.
Is it even possible?
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Not possible. Once you unlock the bootloader you lose your DRM keys, remote play wont work and play station app will no longer work. You will just keep getting error messages. But if you backed up your DRM keys before you unlocked bootloader, you can relock it, then restore the keys to gain access to those features again. If you did NOT back up your sony keys that are unique to ONLY your phone you are SOL. I unlocked my phone, lost my keys and was basically stuck with a phone that couldnt do nothing i actually purchased it for. So i gave it to my wife and bought another one...
I read remote play was ported to every android 4.0+ but i couldnt figure out how to run it on my unlocked bootloader xperia z2. It is a shame how sony punishes us, at leas i could fix the camera, but i miss miracast and remote play
Its not exactly punishing
Protection of their creations but yes its anpoying
There is a DRM FIX in the cross dev section that aparently works
Envious_Data said:
Its not exactly punishing
Protection of their creations but yes its anpoying
There is a DRM FIX in the cross dev section that aparently works
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But it didn't work for you right? I read that, and I the entire thread only worked for 2 or 3 people with a Z2.
Someone put a instructions that he followed to get the patch work.
Duilio Patiño said:
But it didn't work for you right? I read that, and I the entire thread only worked for 2 or 3 people with a Z2.
Someone put a instructions that he followed to get the patch work.
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actualy... that is a very good point.
it works for few people and even then i still cant get any DRM functions to work even if i Restore my TA partition or folow exact instructions for this mod