Best non UHS-I MicroSD card for Use with DirectSD/NativeSD?
Looking for 32GB+
Thanks in advance!
Chose anything you like, but nativesd is kind of preffered
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Why should NativeSD be preferred over DirectSD?
Vampireking said:
Why should NativeSD be preferred over DirectSD?
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Possibly Ease of setup? DirectSD isnt as well adopted as NativeSD at the moment
KShion619 said:
Best non UHS-I MicroSD card for Use with DirectSD/NativeSD?
Looking for 32GB+
Thanks in advance!
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Hello KShion619,
Adata microSDHC 32GB
Premier Pro
(AUSDH32GUI1-RA1)
would be my preferred choice. As you may know, for NativeSD r/w IOPS, average r/w access time and random r/w speed are the important stats, not sequential r/w (which is only necessary when handling with big files, i. e. watching movies, recording etc.). I‘m running NativeSD from a SanDisk 16GB Class 6 card and it's fast. I have a table with over 50 Cards compared, but the legend is German. If you are interested in it anyway PM me and I‘ll send it over.
I recommend the NativeSD thread by securecrt for a full overview of how NativeSD works and how to set up. Read, read, read.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869673
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Possibly Ease of setup? DirectSD isnt as well adopted as NativeSD at the moment
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Before NativeSD DirectSD was the option running Android if you wanted to keep WM on your phone. Native SD is way faster than Direct SD. Ease of use is another cause for using NativeSD. Most important, when using NativeSD you can opt to install multiple Android builds to your SD card and switch between them.
I recommend http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1881205 for a useful guide how to set up NativeSD with elegant usability.
Kindest regards
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Getrid said:
Before NativeSD DirectSD was the option running Android if you wanted to keep WM on your phone. Native SD is way faster than Direct SD. Ease of use is another cause for using NativeSD. Most important, when using NativeSD you can opt to install multiple Android builds to your SD card and switch between them.
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Hi Getrid, are you sure you are not confusing DirectSD with SD builds?
SD builds were the precursor of NativeSD and were run from system and data images on the fat32 partition. They were a bit slow, but were certainly useable, and that was before newer SD cards were around.
DirectSD was started by boxmax after NativeSD was introduced and uses 2 ext4 partitions, 1 for system and the other for data.
Chautruongthinh has continued to use the DirectSD option in the latest roms, and has found a speed advantage over NativeSD, of course using a good quality sdcard. It is possible to switch between NativeSD, DirectSD and SDbuilds (and NAND) ROMS without too much trouble since the file structures allow this to happen without cross contamination.
Robbie P said:
Hi Getrid, are you sure you are not confusing DirectSD with SD builds?
SD builds were the precursor of NativeSD and were run from system and data images on the fat32 partition. They were a bit slow, but were certainly useable, and that was before newer SD cards were around.
DirectSD was started by boxmax after NativeSD was introduced and uses 2 ext4 partitions, 1 for system and the other for data.
Chautruongthinh has continued to use the DirectSD option in the latest roms, and has found a speed advantage over NativeSD, of course using a good quality sdcard. It is possible to switch between NativeSD, DirectSD and SDbuilds (and NAND) ROMS without too much trouble since the file structures allow this to happen without cross contamination.
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Oh, how embarrassing!
Of course, you're absolutely right, Robbie P. Although I read and even typed "DirectSD" my mind processed "SD build", ts. Plus, I even use boxmax‘s ROMs.
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I was wondering if it would be possible to either Boot Windows Phone 7 through MAGLDR from the SD Card like you can Android by maybe partitioning the SD Card so it cn have it's own space?
Or a more realistic option which would be to have a NAND ROM that includes both Android and WP7 installed to the NAND and partition the SD card for storage? This second option I believe could be possible if the NAND is partitioned correctly to allow them both to run and then you could select them in the MAGLDR!
I would like some dev feedback on this as I would try building a ROM myself but I don't know the workings of the partitioning system in MAGLDR well enough to try!
Thanks in Advance for any help!
Maby this is what you are looking for?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913815
Cheers
Fabian1985 said:
Maby this is what you are looking for?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913815
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I've seen that but what I want is to boot Android and WP7 from NAND NOT run android from the SD Card like that guy done because that makes android run slow and I want android as my primary OS!
microang said:
I've seen that but what I want is to boot Android and WP7 from NAND NOT run android from the SD Card like that guy done because that makes android run slow and I want android as my primary OS!
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I run Android from SD as my primairy OS, WP7 is on NAND just to play with and test it. I tried Android on NAND, but to me it wasn't noticably faster then when running from SD.
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/Cacti
Snap I'm using sd build of Android from magldr and it runs fine even boots ok, there might be a little lag when doing something the first time but other than that its great
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Snap I'm using sd build of Android from magldr and it runs fine even boots ok, there might be a little lag when doing something the first time but other than that its great
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Well the thing is I like to use a fully fledged Desire HD ROM and it's stupidly slow from the SD card... my current build is squashfs'd so only takes up about 200mb for the actual OS and I'm sure WP7 could be fitted in the rest of the space and like I'm doing now I can use EXT4 on the sd for data! Now what's needed is if someone can build a hybrid ROM!
le_cactus said:
I run Android from SD as my primairy OS, WP7 is on NAND just to play with and test it. I tried Android on NAND, but to me it wasn't noticably faster then when running from SD.
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Hi, anyone can share how to u do this ? is it through the method that uses 2 sd cards during the formatting stage ?
Btw, what if i dont mind swapping sd cards for diff os ? Can this be done and how ? I tried to insert another sd card which I previously use for my android sd build, tried the sd boot , it gave an error of sd kernel . anyone can advise ?
Thanks !!
Part of the beauty of having WP7 on NAND and Android on SD is that you can have as many Android ROMs as you can fit on your card and you can boot into any of them as you please. But say I want to install Android on NAND. Can I still be able to have that one Android ROM on NAND, but multiple other Android ROM's on SD?
Simple... If I want to be able to boot into more than one OS, must I have WP7 on NAND? If so, is there any guide for this? I cannot find one in the main sticky.
Good question, It would be good if you could switch and chang based on mood.
You can have Android on NAND and as many sd builds as you want, same as with WP7. Until my HD2 broke a few days ago, thats just what II did, a DHD build, a MIUI build, and a CM7 build on sd, with UD on NAND. Just have to choose your AD SD directory in magldr's 'services', and then boot AD SD.
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I do not think you can due to the fact that you have to run the HARET program. It only runs under Windows Mobile as Android does not run .EXE files.
Yes you definitely can. Check my sig
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I do not think you can due to the fact that you have to run the HARET program. It only runs under Windows Mobile as Android does not run .EXE files.
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Well, I saw several builds in the NAND Android forum that specify they support MAGLDR. No need for haret. Here's some of them: LeoRCMix, JW MIUI, HardDroid2. So I didn't think that was a limitation.
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You can have Android on NAND and as many sd builds as you want, same as with WP7. Until my HD2 broke a few days ago, thats just what II did, a DHD build, a MIUI build, and a CM7 build on sd, with UD on NAND. Just have to choose your AD SD directory in magldr's 'services', and then boot AD SD.
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How do you partition your card for this setup? Is there a guide somewhere you can link here please? Or is it the same procedure you use to partition your card when you're running WP7 on NAND and Android on SD (which I've followed before)?
Any advise whether NAND build or SD build is better? In terms of performance I mean.
NAND builds will usually be faster.
As far as partitioning your card, with Android it's not necessary, you can do everything on a single Fat32 partition, unless you want to use A2SD then you'll want a single (primary) Fat32 and a single (primary) ext3 or ext4 partition for your apps/dalvik-cache. I recommend using DarkTremor's A2SD script with your NAND ROM, and if you use the DHD build in my sig, then it will automatically detect your ext3 and you'll automatically have the installed apps from your NAND on your sd build.
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sd android builds for magldr will work if you have another android in nand,but the kernel for sd build must not be a nand kernel.for example if you have a sense build in nand and you go to start from sd a build that has tytung r10 or rafpigna kernel the kernel will start but for some strange reason it will load the nand build and not the sd build.then if you go to settings you`ll see that the kernel is changed and you have error wifi because of different kernel modules.this at least happens to me,every time i tried to start a magldr sd build with another android in nand.at first times i thought that i was pushing wrong button on magldr
Great advise, guys. I'm going to play with this soon. Thank you!
Just to know some direct & simple information.
1. What's better(fast & smooth) Android NAND or Native SD(say with a 32 GB class 10 card)???
2. If we change or modify something (eg. SystemUI.apk) how to flash these mods (like in flashable CWM zip files for installed NAND ROMs) in to a installed Native SD ROM???
Any advice??? :fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
Native sd.... is faster than nand... provided you have a good ( branded like.. san disk) sd card
Now you can enjoy another OS like wp7.8 or am on nand with fast android on native sd....
You can have multiple native sd.... roms and switch between them easily...
helpful for those who have bad nand blocks
Also read the native sd.... thread for further info... its all there
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Does native mode neds adapted layout?
I'm new here. The layout must be adapted in native mode? If so, how? On my HD2 running MIUI-GB Nand in mode.
awesome was wondering that myself just got san 32g class 10 card going to give it a go... thx )
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I'm new here. The layout must be adapted in native mode? If so, how? On my HD2 running MIUI-GB Nand in mode.
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give the links below a try, it could help.
Curious
pakure said:
Native sd.... is faster than nand... provided you have a good ( branded like.. san disk) sd card
Now you can enjoy another OS like wp7.8 or am on nand with fast android on native sd....
You can have multiple native sd.... roms and switch between them easily...
helpful for those who have bad nand blocks
Also read the native sd.... thread for further info... its all there
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So curious Why Native SD with Class 10 faster than NAND
SD Class 10 = R/W Speed ≈ 10mb/s
NAND =? (I don't know but i thought it faster)
am I wrong?
its nothing to do with top rated speed, which is based on a continual consecutive read/write of large block sizes, , writing captured video, for example, , for nativeSD (i.e running an OS) its all about how fast the random read/write of 4k blocks is. Most class 10 cards are slower than class 6, for example, when it comes to nativeSD.
As to why its faster than nand, i seem to remember reading that the nand is a approximately equivalent to a class 5 card.
Hi
Tried to search for quite a while now.
Unsuccessfully.
so I'll ask; is it possible to dual boot the HTC hd2...
.......with two versions of android BOTH on the sdcard.
not different cards. The same on (assuming there's enough space)
Sorry if there's a previous thread: couldn't find it.
Many thanks
Yes. One method is to use two NativeSD ROMs. Higher the class sdcard the better it works.
All you need to do is install the NativeSD ROMs in the ext4 partition and then when you want to change from rom1 to rom2 you just launch the application, choose rom2 and reboot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869673
thanks very much to that/
you can even triple boot
try the links below, it might help
thanks for that! i had no clue but triple boot would be great!
one for daily use, one for performance, and one for testing! :laugh::highfive:
Some guys have around 12 android native sd roms running from same sd card and wp7 running from nand
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i've currently managed five android roms on an 8gb sdcard, with extremely high performance on all but one.
however, from what i've heard, and read you need a lot larger sdcards, often just for one or two roms. could u please explain whats going on? and what does the card class have to do with it? cosidering you have 3 hd2s in the family, all with high level mods, i'm sure you know
You will need atleast 1 gb per rom to install more apps...so partition according to your needs...remaining fat 32 portion is common to share between the rom s installed..so if you want lot of music or movies, naturally you will need more...also if you have wp7 on nand, you will need another partition for that..so you probably will need larger card...
I have 16 gb cards with wp7, 2 native sd android rom
Class 4 atleast will ensure better speed..use sandisk...
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Hi,
I intended to post this question to the [3.Nov.2012][ROM] NexusHD2-JellyBean-4.1.2-CM10 V1.2 [NativeSD] thread, but not allowed to (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32624318)
Can someone help me redirect the question? Thanks!
First thanks for the great ROM, tytung. It looks great and easy to install.
I have a HD2 and wanted to dual boot WP7 and Android. Found this new method NativeSD and decided to try it. But once I installed the ROM (through MAGLDR 1.13 and Recovery 4Ext 2.2.7), everything works fine, except that the camera app (and other apps) says that it cannot find the external SD card to save the pictures. It does not give me options to save on phone. But since both system and data are on external SD, and that partition is treated as /mnt/sdcard0, I am not sure if I am supposed to have an external SD card from the perspective of Android.
Cannot seem to find similar post with this issue, so I must be doing something wrong with partitioning. Could you help??? Thanks so much! I am inches away from having a great Android JellyBean experience on my HD2.
Thanks!!!
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Details:
4 partitions on my 16GB SD card:
1) FAT32, 3GB (this is the boot partition, where I installed Recovery 4Ext and through it, installed the boot files in /NativeSD)
2) Ext4, 8GB (this is the system/data partition, where installation put all Android files)
3) Ext4, 2GB (this is current empty, reserved for another ROM that requires two partitions)
4) Other, 2GB (this is a WP7 partition)
I formatted these using Mini Partition Tool on Windows (not via Recovery 4Ext)
I think you need to run CHKDSK on your FAT32 partition of the card with fix option, once, using a card reader and computer. Once done, put the card back to your phone and boot to your preferred Native SD rom. Then check whether you applications are able to trace the SD card. Should work, since the same worked for me, when I had a similar issue. Hope that helps.
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I think you need to run CHKDSK on your FAT32 partition of the card with fix option, once, using a card reader and computer. Once done, put the card back to your phone and boot to your preferred Native SD rom. Then check whether you applications are able to trace the SD card. Should work, since the same worked for me, when I had a similar issue. Hope that helps.
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Hi dheerajk27, thanks for your quick reply. Was wondering
1) should Android JB think that I have an external SD?
2) where will this external SD be mapped to? The Fat32 partition? The same Ext4 partition as system & data?
3) what would chkdsk do? I just want to make sure that it doesn't mess up the Win 7 stuff as well.
Thanks!
Hi braveliquid, welcome to the forum.
Did you set all your partitions as primary using minitool?
1. yes
2. depends photos/music => fat part, apps=>ext part
3. not sure either
Robbie P said:
Hi braveliquid, welcome to the forum.
Did you set all your partitions as primary using minitool?
1. yes
2. depends photos/music => fat part, apps=>ext part
3. not sure either
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Thanks for your reply. Upon multiple trial and error, I found out that the logical partition is the culprit. When I have 3 primary (FAT32, Ext4, Ext4), Android can recognize the ext SD card. However, when I have 3 primary and 1 logical (the Win Phone 7 partition is made logical by windows), then Android does not recognize the ext SD card anymore.
Any thought on how I can resolve this? Or else I will have to keep 2 SD cards, one for WP7, and one for Android. Doable, but a bit of a hassle.
Thanks!
use minitool and set your wp7 partition as primary too.
Problem solved.
you could use two cards, i am at the moment (I keep spare card in a cellotape pocket on inside of battery cover). You can also dual boot without partitioning see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=34009754&postcount=1126 but only really as a backup phone in case wp7 goes wrong and you are away from pc.
Robbie P said:
use minitool and set your wp7 partition as primary too.
Problem solved.
you could use two cards, i am at the moment (I keep spare card in a cellotape pocket on inside of battery cover). You can also dual boot without partitioning see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=34009754&postcount=1126 but only really as a backup phone in case wp7 goes wrong and you are away from pc.
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Thanks Robbie. Yes, I have set the WP7 partition as primary and then it works! I am liking the Android experience (have been using iPhone).
Btw, in WP7, it is asking me to update software (I have a very old WP7 installation, migrated to dual boot in early 2011 i think). Can I just upgrade WP7 like normal (i.e. by connecting to Zune)? Or will that destroy MAGLDR? If that won't work, how can I upgrade WP7 to 7.5 or later 7.8? I cannot use Windows Market Place apparently with the old WP7 OS.
Thanks again!
braveliquid said:
Thanks Robbie. Yes, I have set the WP7 partition as primary and then it works! I am liking the Android experience (have been using iPhone).
Btw, in WP7, it is asking me to update software (I have a very old WP7 installation, migrated to dual boot in early 2011 i think). Can I just upgrade WP7 like normal (i.e. by connecting to Zune)? Or will that destroy MAGLDR? If that won't work, how can I upgrade WP7 to 7.5 or later 7.8? I cannot use Windows Market Place apparently with the old WP7 OS.
Thanks again!
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I would just flash one of the new wp7.8 roms, your choice which. Ansar's does not seem to be able to use the new wpbackup app at the moment.
With Hd2o and pdaimatejam you can backup your phone and restore apps sms calls etc. Sooo much better for trying out new roms.
Robbie P said:
I would just flash one of the new wp7.8 roms, your choice which. Ansar's does not seem to be able to use the new wpbackup app at the moment.
With Hd2o and pdaimatejam you can backup your phone and restore apps sms calls etc. Sooo much better for trying out new roms.
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:good: Will be another weekend "project" =)
Thanks!