Part of the beauty of having WP7 on NAND and Android on SD is that you can have as many Android ROMs as you can fit on your card and you can boot into any of them as you please. But say I want to install Android on NAND. Can I still be able to have that one Android ROM on NAND, but multiple other Android ROM's on SD?
Simple... If I want to be able to boot into more than one OS, must I have WP7 on NAND? If so, is there any guide for this? I cannot find one in the main sticky.
Good question, It would be good if you could switch and chang based on mood.
You can have Android on NAND and as many sd builds as you want, same as with WP7. Until my HD2 broke a few days ago, thats just what II did, a DHD build, a MIUI build, and a CM7 build on sd, with UD on NAND. Just have to choose your AD SD directory in magldr's 'services', and then boot AD SD.
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I do not think you can due to the fact that you have to run the HARET program. It only runs under Windows Mobile as Android does not run .EXE files.
Yes you definitely can. Check my sig
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how_weird said:
I do not think you can due to the fact that you have to run the HARET program. It only runs under Windows Mobile as Android does not run .EXE files.
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Well, I saw several builds in the NAND Android forum that specify they support MAGLDR. No need for haret. Here's some of them: LeoRCMix, JW MIUI, HardDroid2. So I didn't think that was a limitation.
huggs said:
You can have Android on NAND and as many sd builds as you want, same as with WP7. Until my HD2 broke a few days ago, thats just what II did, a DHD build, a MIUI build, and a CM7 build on sd, with UD on NAND. Just have to choose your AD SD directory in magldr's 'services', and then boot AD SD.
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How do you partition your card for this setup? Is there a guide somewhere you can link here please? Or is it the same procedure you use to partition your card when you're running WP7 on NAND and Android on SD (which I've followed before)?
Any advise whether NAND build or SD build is better? In terms of performance I mean.
NAND builds will usually be faster.
As far as partitioning your card, with Android it's not necessary, you can do everything on a single Fat32 partition, unless you want to use A2SD then you'll want a single (primary) Fat32 and a single (primary) ext3 or ext4 partition for your apps/dalvik-cache. I recommend using DarkTremor's A2SD script with your NAND ROM, and if you use the DHD build in my sig, then it will automatically detect your ext3 and you'll automatically have the installed apps from your NAND on your sd build.
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sd android builds for magldr will work if you have another android in nand,but the kernel for sd build must not be a nand kernel.for example if you have a sense build in nand and you go to start from sd a build that has tytung r10 or rafpigna kernel the kernel will start but for some strange reason it will load the nand build and not the sd build.then if you go to settings you`ll see that the kernel is changed and you have error wifi because of different kernel modules.this at least happens to me,every time i tried to start a magldr sd build with another android in nand.at first times i thought that i was pushing wrong button on magldr
Great advise, guys. I'm going to play with this soon. Thank you!
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I am wondering that question as well..., how do you access the data/files on ya SD inside Android/NAND Android?
Well there's always file managing apps like Astro, but I'm not sure if it works that way, so, if someone could put kill our question!
Android is Linux based so there should be a similiar command to ls -a where you can see the files and be able to run SD Roms? Or I'm kinda hoping there is..., in SU maybe???
Thanks for the feedback bro, appreciate them.
We just need a response from actual experience; surely trying to run Android off SD wouldn't harm the device in any way.
I don't think we can boot an android build from an android build seeing as how clrcad and haret was build for winmo. >.> but looking at the magdlr notes, if i'm wrong, it has an option to boot android from SD or to boot from NAND, so guess that means you can have an android build in SD and NAND.
NEVER MIND... it failed the second time.
Yes but the build has to be built like a nand build. So you can't just boot the ones you have now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10202441&postcount=146
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Yes but the build has to be built like a nand build. So you can't just boot the ones you have now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10202441&postcount=146
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I just tried..., I done what I would normally do for an SD Build and used the NAND boot menu to try to run the SD Build. Even though there is an option which says you can run from AD SD..., it doesn't happen.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10202441&postcount=146 <-- This makes sense ( no pun intended )
I understand that a Nand build on SD card will work the same as Nand build on phone, that makes perfect sense.
Question is, is the SD card memory used for application files or will it use up all the memory on my phone like Nand on phone does? Is it possible to use a data.img. Of course, the perfect solution would be to add the option in Magldr (Nand) to boot into recovery so the SD card could be partitioned for files and ext3 for extra application system files like we can with a normal Android phone. Then the need to add another Android rom onto the SD card just for extra storage would not be needed for us European users.
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I'm making this thread here because I can't see anything being done to remedy this problem.
I have tried more than 5 roms that I have used in the past in SD era with MAGLDR 1.12 in the option "AD SD" and none worked. This SHOULD be easy, but it's not.
I have tried to change kernels for the new ones, thinking this would be the right way to do so, since the old ones expected haret and windows to work. This didn't work too.
To name a few...
NexusHD2-FRG83D V1.8 from Tytung (the best in the old days for a clean froyo, IMHO)
MDJ Desire HD 4.6
Topia HD and others...
None of them worked, the ONLY ONE that worked was [DL DesireZ v2.1][SD/NAND] (note, not tested version 2.2, ONLY 2.1)
It took a looong time to boot, but worked fine.
Now that we have WP7 (not everyone will want this permanently) we should have SD roms that are compatible with MAGLDR. Even because MAGLDR is way faster than waiting for WM 6.5 to boot.
I loved WM 6.5 in the days, but now, several of us don't want to deal with it anymore, and are just here for the two new OSs.
I would like to see some development in the SD ROMs again, so they can have newer and better kernels (the ones used with MAGLDR) and full compatibility with future development for MAGLDR and NAND.
We could even have two Android builds, for those who don't want WP7.
One for NAND and one for SD, like a Gingerbread and a stabler Froyo
Anyone agree with it?
Greetings, Santroph.
santroph said:
I'm making this thread here because I can't see anything being done to remedy this problem.
I have tried more than 5 roms that I have used in the past in SD era with MAGLDR 1.12 in the option "AD SD" and none worked. This SHOULD be easy, but it's not.
I have tried to change kernels for the new ones, thinking this would be the right way to do so, since the old ones expected haret and windows to work. This didn't work too.
To name a few...
NexusHD2-FRG83D V1.8 from Tytung (the best in the old days for a clean froyo, IMHO)
MDJ Desire HD 4.6
Topia HD and others...
None of them worked, the ONLY ONE that worked was [DL DesireZ v2.1][SD/NAND] (note, not tested version 2.2, ONLY 2.1)
It took a looong time to boot, but worked fine.
Now that we have WP7 (not everyone will want this permanently) we should have SD roms that are compatible with MAGLDR. Even because MAGLDR is way faster than waiting for WM 6.5 to boot.
I loved WM 6.5 in the days, but now, several of us don't want to deal with it anymore, and are just here for the two new OSs.
I would like to see some development in the SD ROMs again, so they can have newer and better kernels (the ones used with MAGLDR) and full compatibility with future development for MAGLDR and NAND.
We could even have two Android builds, for those who don't want WP7.
One for NAND and one for SD, like a Gingerbread and a stabler Froyo
Anyone agree with it?
Greetings, Santroph.
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Problem:
Phone7 formats the sd card in an unknown file format.
That makes it presumably impossible to linux to load from there...
You would have to switch sd card
I agree with the suggestion of having dual boot (WP7/Android), in fact I even thought about it yesterday ...
What about having 3 partitions on SD ? 2 for WP7 and 1 for Android ...
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Problem:
Phone7 formats the sd card in an unknown file format.
That makes it presumably impossible to linux to load from there...
You would have to switch sd card
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Yeah I know about this, but several of us, myself included have several SD cards.
I can pass for the trouble of changing SD cards from time to time to boot a completly different OS, with several other possibilities.
And I was talking about Android NAND / Android SD combinations as well.
Like I said we could have a Gingerbread experimental in nand, but keep a really stable Froyo in SD as our main build, or the other way around, a lot of us have big enough cards to do that.
Santroph.
I'm tested lot android SD too.
PSfreedom worked only but if the DL DesireZ v2.1 is working..what's the problem?
loyalhudy said:
I'm tested lot android SD too.
PSfreedom worked only but if the DL DesireZ v2.1 is working..what's the problem?
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The problem is that we only have a few SD roms working. And for example DL DesireZ v2.1 works, but DL DesireZ v2.2, which is newer and just lauched, doesn't work, the support is gone
And we don't have as much roms as we had to choose in the past. I am trying to use WP7, to see if it is a viable alternative to my daily use, but I don't want to give up Android. Since we can't have WP7 and AD Nand at the same time, SD is the only alternative, and we have to get whatever is working instead of a lot of good builds like we have in Nand now.
If the devs start to make more sd builds closer to the Nand ones (same kernels and modules, which they can do now, since they will all be using the same hardware startup MAGLDR) we would have a lot of alternatives too.
Like I said, one of the best roms we ever had, tytung NexusHD2 froyo, doesn't work.
Santroph.
P.S: I'm willing to help any dev that need help. I'm a developer too, but a software one, not a cooker
I'm not a dev but I try to get it ...I took 4GB sd and booted wp7, connect sd via usb reader to pc, copied the wp7 filesystem to my 16gb sd card...wp7 says I got 3.5GB disk space ^^...means: wp7 uses 3.5GB, 11,5GB free sd space . formatted other partition as fat32, but windows7 didn't find it. Now I'm trying around to get it working ...will post news
EDIT: WP7 got 3.5GB disk space, now booting MDJ Froyo HD 4.6 from sd card ...So I got WP7/ Android dualboot
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Problem:
Phone7 formats the sd card in an unknown file format.
That makes it presumably impossible to linux to load from there...
You would have to switch sd card
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I succeed to flash WP7 rom without SD card inserted. Inserting back the SD card after installation shows that SD storge with full size(not under WP7) and SD android rom (DL DesireZ v2.1) works fine with MAGLDR 1.12. Booting WP7 again will not destroy it, too. This may be a temporary method, while the free space left in WP7 becomes around 130MB which may not satisfy many demands .
was the WM7 functional?
http://www.darkforcesteam.com.cn/thread-25910-1-1.html
I'm going to attempt those steps tomorrow, but I don't know if I'll be following them properly as the translation isn't too good.
But maybe someone else can understand it and translate it properly
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was the WM7 functional?
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fully functional. this method is like the one metioned above from DFT forum
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I'm not a dev but I try to get it ...I took 4GB sd and booted wp7, connect sd via usb reader to pc, copied the wp7 filesystem to my 16gb sd card...wp7 says I got 3.5GB disk space ^^...means: wp7 uses 3.5GB, 11,5GB free sd space . formatted other partition as fat32, but windows7 didn't find it. Now I'm trying around to get it working ...will post news
EDIT: WP7 got 3.5GB disk space, now booting MDJ Froyo HD 4.6 from sd card ...So I got WP7/ Android dualboot
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in WP7 installation steps it is mentioned that if you remove the sd card the windows will be destroyed? can you please confirm that after trying android and going back to WP7 there are no issues?
I agree... we need more devs developing for sd android again.
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I'm not a dev but I try to get it ...I took 4GB sd and booted wp7, connect sd via usb reader to pc, copied the wp7 filesystem to my 16gb sd card...wp7 says I got 3.5GB disk space ^^...means: wp7 uses 3.5GB, 11,5GB free sd space . formatted other partition as fat32, but windows7 didn't find it. Now I'm trying around to get it working ...will post news
EDIT: WP7 got 3.5GB disk space, now booting MDJ Froyo HD 4.6 from sd card ...So I got WP7/ Android dualboot
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This could be the best way to do things...
Can you please make a kind of Tutorial?
I understood what you said, and I can probably replicate it (surely will try) but some people would be really glad to have a tutorial.
I have a single problem with your approach, my biggest card, the 16gb one, was the one used for WP7, so I will have to reformat, and since I already got my WP7 working with marketplace and activated, I don't want to mess with it.
If I only had used the 8gb or 2gb card, I would be able to do it....
Santroph.
The best way to know how to do this, would be to have a HD2 that has not a fully working copy of WP7, so we can test it as much as we can.
The biggest problem for me now, is that I don't have how to make a backup of my WP7 installation, or else I would do it and make a tutorial on how to use the dual boot.
Even with the option of using only one card, the SD rom version must be compatible, which in the present time, they are not (most of them).
Santroph.
i've readed all of thread.. but yet i don't understand if it works or not.. especially with ike2903 tutorial to format SD card method...
santroph said:
This could be the best way to do things...
Can you please make a kind of Tutorial?
I understood what you said, and I can probably replicate it (surely will try) but some people would be really glad to have a tutorial.
I have a single problem with your approach, my biggest card, the 16gb one, was the one used for WP7, so I will have to reformat, and since I already got my WP7 working with marketplace and activated, I don't want to mess with it.
If I only had used the 8gb or 2gb card, I would be able to do it....
Santroph.
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Yes, Tutorial please Thanks
jenzy1985 said:
Yes, Tutorial please Thanks
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+1, been thinking of doing this and would be nice to follow your lead.
daysey said:
+1, been thinking of doing this and would be nice to follow your lead.
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+ 9!!!
ike2903 said:
I'm not a dev but I try to get it ...I took 4GB sd and booted wp7, connect sd via usb reader to pc, copied the wp7 filesystem to my 16gb sd card...wp7 says I got 3.5GB disk space ^^...means: wp7 uses 3.5GB, 11,5GB free sd space . formatted other partition as fat32, but windows7 didn't find it. Now I'm trying around to get it working ...will post news
EDIT: WP7 got 3.5GB disk space, now booting MDJ Froyo HD 4.6 from sd card ...So I got WP7/ Android dualboot
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the pc actually read the WP7 parition (or recognized that one existed)?
I haven't bothered installing the MAGLDR yet because I am very comfortable with my setup, I have windows mobile 6.5 with android SD, however would it be possible to dual boot Windows Phone 7 with android or Windows Mobile 6.5 on the Nand? Like for the TMOUS1024 devices? I've read on the chinese site for the DFT that its possible but the instructions are very hard to understand. I can't be the only one wondering this or wanting this? Any ideas guys?
I too would love the ability to dual boot, whether it be dual-nand, or WP7 as an SD build (and Android NAND).
Any chance of this happening, devs?
Right now u can dual boot Android NAND and Android SD.
Windows 7 NAND and Android SD but this is too complex. u need to make two partitions on the SD card.
I too would like to still run wm 6.5 as my main os and boot WM7 and Android from my Sd cards. I would also like to know if this is possible.
Is it possible to boot a SD android version via magldr?
Mine freezes if I choose Boot Android SD :/
Using 1.12
kelvin_swe said:
Right now u can dual boot Android NAND and Android SD.
Windows 7 NAND and Android SD but this is too complex. u need to make two partitions on the SD card.
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I would love to try "Windows 7 NAND and Android SD" even If it is complex. Do have a detailed instruction on how to do this, or know where I can find one?
Thanks.
i think in the future u should be able to dual boot both from nand if u have the 1024leo because the windows phone 7 rom only uses half of the nand
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I would love to try "Windows 7 NAND and Android SD" even If it is complex. Do have a detailed instruction on how to do this, or know where I can find one?
Thanks.
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darrengladysz wrote a good tutorial explaining that. here is the link to that thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913815
Someway of dual booting wm 6.5 and wp7 would be awesome.
Wraith_17 said:
Someway of dual booting wm 6.5 and wp7 would be awesome.
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Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Is WP7 only available on NAND?
Hey...
Yeah, darren wrote an excellent tutorial, it`s pretty simple to dual boot with that (the partitioning only takes loooooooong)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913815
I will add the link to a tutorial I made afterwards which includes his tutorial and adds the instruction how to boot Core Droid HD 0.4 as an option for an android build to actually dual boot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10689007&postcount=1106
I used this build (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=801607) for over a month and all I can say is that this is the best Desire HD Sense build I've tried!!! (fast and stable)
So enjoy WP7 Nand and Android SD TOGETHER!!!
Greetz
Dom
masondoctorjt said:
I too would like to still run wm 6.5 as my main os and boot WM7 and Android from my Sd cards. I would also like to know if this is possible.
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thats exactly what i want too, does anyone know if this would be possible?
Dual boot from NAND only
Well, just the question I wanted to ask (OP, not the hijacking posts):
WM 6.5 (or WP7) NAND partition 1, Android partition 2.
At least that's the idea. Two OS's from the faster NAND memory, rather than the slower SD. Only applicable, of course, to the 1024MB version of the HD2. I know this is difficult, but if the chinese are doing it, why can't we ? This would just make this phone more awesome than it already is.
Can anyone answer if this is possible or not, and if not, why?
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Well, just the question I wanted to ask (OP, not the hijacking posts):
WM 6.5 (or WP7) NAND partition 1, Android partition 2.
At least that's the idea. Two OS's from the faster NAND memory, rather than the slower SD. Only applicable, of course, to the 1024MB version of the HD2. I know this is difficult, but if the chinese are doing it, why can't we ? This would just make this phone more awesome than it already is.
Can anyone answer if this is possible or not, and if not, why?
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What chinese are doing it? I've never seen 2 OS's both on nand on a phone anywhere... even those cheap chinese fakes that claim to run both wm and android are just running android off the sd.
I, too, hope one day someone makes this possible... but not sure if it will happen or possible yet.
Also, HD2 NAND is not faster than a good quality SD in most cases. You might get a little better random access speed from nand, but if you find a good sd, even that is probably about equal. Even WP7 is now using SD cards as internal memory, now, but you need a good SD card that matches the NAND speed for it to work right. SD Android builds run at the same speed as NAND builds in most cases, but most SD builds aren't updated like NAND builds are.
But anyways, I agree that I would like to see 2 OS's from NAND on our phones.
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I would love to try "Windows 7 NAND and Android SD" even If it is complex. Do have a detailed instruction on how to do this, or know where I can find one?
Thanks.
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I have a nice tutorial on how to do this. You have to be careful to choose the right SD Android Builds which you can use. There are only a few which are compatibe with SD Magldr. In my thread there are some of the more popular ones which has been converted to work with more coming shortly.
When Nand first came out there were a tutorial which I came across to convert SD Builds into Nand so in theory reversing the process you might be able to convert Nand back to SD and convert that to work with Magldr. It is something I have been wanting to look into for a few weeks now so I might just make it a priority of mine cause any build to dual boot with WP7 would be pretty awesome.
I think its possible, but its difficult because Windows properity OS may conflict with Androids OS so someone would have to configure it so that they both won't conflict with each other.
Thanks for the participation! That chinese bit was mostly to just stir the pot a bit .
I was wondering if it would be possible to either Boot Windows Phone 7 through MAGLDR from the SD Card like you can Android by maybe partitioning the SD Card so it cn have it's own space?
Or a more realistic option which would be to have a NAND ROM that includes both Android and WP7 installed to the NAND and partition the SD card for storage? This second option I believe could be possible if the NAND is partitioned correctly to allow them both to run and then you could select them in the MAGLDR!
I would like some dev feedback on this as I would try building a ROM myself but I don't know the workings of the partitioning system in MAGLDR well enough to try!
Thanks in Advance for any help!
Maby this is what you are looking for?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913815
Cheers
Fabian1985 said:
Maby this is what you are looking for?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913815
Cheers
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I've seen that but what I want is to boot Android and WP7 from NAND NOT run android from the SD Card like that guy done because that makes android run slow and I want android as my primary OS!
microang said:
I've seen that but what I want is to boot Android and WP7 from NAND NOT run android from the SD Card like that guy done because that makes android run slow and I want android as my primary OS!
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I run Android from SD as my primairy OS, WP7 is on NAND just to play with and test it. I tried Android on NAND, but to me it wasn't noticably faster then when running from SD.
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Snap I'm using sd build of Android from magldr and it runs fine even boots ok, there might be a little lag when doing something the first time but other than that its great
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Snap I'm using sd build of Android from magldr and it runs fine even boots ok, there might be a little lag when doing something the first time but other than that its great
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Well the thing is I like to use a fully fledged Desire HD ROM and it's stupidly slow from the SD card... my current build is squashfs'd so only takes up about 200mb for the actual OS and I'm sure WP7 could be fitted in the rest of the space and like I'm doing now I can use EXT4 on the sd for data! Now what's needed is if someone can build a hybrid ROM!
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I run Android from SD as my primairy OS, WP7 is on NAND just to play with and test it. I tried Android on NAND, but to me it wasn't noticably faster then when running from SD.
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Hi, anyone can share how to u do this ? is it through the method that uses 2 sd cards during the formatting stage ?
Btw, what if i dont mind swapping sd cards for diff os ? Can this be done and how ? I tried to insert another sd card which I previously use for my android sd build, tried the sd boot , it gave an error of sd kernel . anyone can advise ?
Thanks !!
I currently have a dual-boot system with WP7 on NAND and several Android ROM's on SD. Even though the storage for all SD ROM's is the same (for example, you take a picture in one and it's visible in the gallery of another), there is absolutely no file sharing between my NAND OS and my SD OS's.
Well, I am now planning to get rid of WP7 and I want to have an Android ROM on NAND and one or more Android ROM's on SD and I want the same thing: to partition my SD card in a way that the NAND build only sees, say, 3GB of my 8GB card and the SD builds see the other 5GB.
Is this possible? How can I achieve this?
well i guess we can do everything with our hd2 ...but not something like this ... once u install android in nand it's the only os in ur phone ...and u can run another rom only if u delete the one before
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well i guess we can do everything with our hd2 ...but not something like this ... once u install android in nand it's the only os in ur phone ...and u can run another rom only if u delete the one before
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What? No, that's not correct. Using MAGLDR, you can have a NAND Android ROM and as many Android ROM's as you want on SD. That's not what I'm asking.
Razor1973 said:
What? No, that's not correct. Using MAGLDR, you can have a NAND Android ROM and as many Android ROM's as you want on SD. That's not what I'm asking.
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never heard about something like this ... if u get the solution post so we can try it