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Guys like this bug me. If they turned a glass of milk upside down, they'd lack the analytical skills required to figure out how milk got on the floor. Yet here is another such columnist on InformationWeek running his mouth like a whale scooping up plankton.
Here's the article, which is as misleading as any I've seen in a while:
Google Giving Up On 'Revolutionary' Android Sales Model?
I'd set him straight but I am fresh out of the crayons required to draw him an appropriate picture.
I read that earlier but I must have missed something because I don't see why the guy is a jackass. It seems to me like he is suggesting some evidence that points to Google no longer exclusively selling their phone. But at the end he theorized that nothing would change and Google would maintain its strategy. Please correct me if I'm wrong though as I am not a strong reader and I only briefly read it right before class...
I too don't see why he is a jackass?
If the Nexus One was sold in stores, it would be a great thing. There's a lot of people who just will not buy a phone they can't see in person. Even I was skeptical at first, and I'm sure a lot of us were.
Either way, it would be a great thing if N1's started popping up in stores. Sales would go through the roof. The inability for people to see it in person is the ONLY reason the phone hasn't sold over a million.
Personally I think Google did it all wrong. The ONLY reason for an online store is to be able to sell the phone to ANYONE in the world. Making a phone online only for the USA only was completely idiotic.
They should have picked the most popular frequency on the GLOBE and sold that to whoever the hell wanted it world-wide.
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I agree, no reason to call him a jackass. He did however make the mistake of saying that the verizon nexus one was the Incredible. I guess he should have known better than to make that mistake, but I don't see why the OP is so angry lol.
I have my news widget picking up "Android" and "Nexus One" tags..
All I have to say is Im absolutely amazed at the sheer number of articles with misleading headlines that reveal absolutely no information whatsoever.
This article; as useless as it is...is nobel prize worthy compared to whats out there.
Paul22000 said:
Personally I think Google did it all wrong. The ONLY reason for an online store is to be able to sell the phone to ANYONE in the world. Making a phone online only for the USA only was completely idiotic.
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And again I have to ask this. UK, Hongkong and Singapore does not qualify under " other countries" huh? Or is the world just made of the US?
Granted not everyone in the world can order it online, but please please get your facts right before sprouting "US Only" comments.
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All I have to say is Im absolutely amazed at the sheer number of articles with misleading headlines that reveal absolutely no information whatsoever.
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And that is exactly what makes this kind of behavior jaskass-ish.
There are a good reasons Google did not make the the N1 available in stores.
They wanted an unbranded, pure Android phone available, and the only way to do that was do sell it themselves. A phone with the same specification, same feature set and close to the same experience as possible, regardless of wireless service provider. Where wireless standards are the same regardless of carrier, they wanted a phone that the user could use regardless of what carrier he chose to use, allowing him to negotiate the best deal. Maybe this isn't such a great thing in the US, but it is to many places in the rest of the world. Ask a Canadian about the flexibility of being able to use an unsubsidized N1 on his/her choice of Rogers, Telus or Bell.
If you wonder why Google thinks this is important, look at every other Android phone on the market - even others made by HTC and marketed by carriers. UIs "updated", features missing, new ones locked in. When they are done with all of these changes, they hardly resemble the N1.
The best example of the worst example of Android is the Backflip, a unit which Motorola stuffed on Motoblur, and AT&T neutered further by locking in it's own applications in place of arguably better counterparts supplied by default in Android. It was introduced with Android 1.5 after Android 2.1 had already rolled out. These things are a big deal because now instead of free GPS, you get to pay a subscription fee for a carrier branded GPS if you want it. Instead of integrated Google services, you get something else. We can go around all day long about what UI is better, but the bottom line is that we can say without judgement that HTC Sense and Motoblur do not represent the default Android UI.
The Nexus One remains the lone current quintessential example of what Android really is. Google needs that more than it needs a sales leader, and this is what analysts like that don't get because they choose to remain ignorant about why Android is different, why they think the Nexus One is a failure, and why they think Google must be ready to pull the plug. No facts, misinformation and misdirection and a general lack of understanding of the subject matter is what characterizes jackass-ish behavior whenever a columnist just poops out a column such as that.
Not every success can be characterized by sheer sales volume. Even HTC understood that as their Chief declared the Nexus One a success.
musashiken said:
And again I have to ask this. UK, Hongkong and Singapore does not qualify under " other countries" huh? Or is the world just made of the US?
Granted not everyone in the world can order it online, but please please get your facts right before sprouting "US Only" comments.
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How is 4 countries the ENTIRE world?
And the official www.google.com/phone listed US only at launch.
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How is 4 countries the ENTIRE world?
And the official www.google.com/phone listed US only at launch.
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I DID not say anything about the ENTIRE World. YOU were going on about selling one phone ONLY to the US. And where in www.google.com/phone states that US is the only country??
I go order the phone without a plan and I get to choose 4 countries as delivery destination. How is that only US? Even articles during launch time mentioned the 4 countries.
And for your information, I'm not in the USA and I got my phone off that site the legal way straight to my country without going through any hoops.
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I DID not say anything about the ENTIRE World. YOU were going on about selling one phone ONLY to the US. And where in www.google.com/phone states that US is the only country??
I go order the phone without a plan and I get to choose 4 countries as delivery destination. How is that only US? Even articles during launch time mentioned the 4 countries.
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His original point was that the phone would have sold much better if Google made it available globally. They didn't, and greater availability would have meant greater numbers. That's a fact. I don't understand the need to argue the point, even though part of my point was that sheer numbers don't seem to be Google's motivation or their measure of success.
I am glad you got your N1 through their website. I hope you're happy with it.
And my point is that he shouldn't just say it's only for the USA. Some people get touchy on that, you know like "hey there are other countries in the world you know, even small dots on the map. Stop that America-is-big-so-no-need-to-mention-others ****". He could have just said "selling a phone only to a mere 4 countries in the world??? OMGWTFISTHIS****" And I would have just agreed wholeheartedly.
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And my point is that he shouldn't just say it's only for the USA. Some people get touchy on that, you know like "hey there are other countries in the world you know, even small dots on the map. Stop that America-is-big-so-no-need-to-mention-others ****". He could have just said "selling a phone only to a mere 4 countries in the world??? OMGWTFISTHIS****" And I would have just agreed wholeheartedly.
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He was being critical of their distribution, saying it should have been sold globally with the most popular global frequencies. He was mindful of the rest of the world. If he misspoke, it was not because he didn't think they rest of the world mattered - quite the contrary, it was just the opposite.
The fact that the N1 was only subsidized (and still is) by T-Mobile in the US makes it seem like Google's focus for distribution is only on a small part of the US market, an approach which he is very obviously critical of. He's on your side, so I still don't get the purpose of the argument, even if he was wrong about where it was initially available. Ask Canadian Telus and Bell customers how they felt about the confusion of the Google's announcement regarding the availability of the model compatible with AT&T and Roger's 3G networks. I am sorry if you feel like you're treated like a small dot on the map, but picking fights isn't a good way to get noticed, especially when the guy you're picking on is on your side.
xManMythLegend said:
I have my news widget picking up "Android" and "Nexus One" tags..
All I have to say is Im absolutely amazed at the sheer number of articles with misleading headlines that reveal absolutely no information whatsoever.
This article; as useless as it is...is nobel prize worthy compared to whats out there.
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http://www.cracked.com/article_18458_6-subtle-ways-news-media-disguises-bull****-as-fact.html
All I gotta say lol
Worldwide release would be nice, but google cant*yet-> too many features dont work outside the US (maps, voice,.....)
McFroger3 said:
http://www.cracked.com/article_18458_6-subtle-ways-news-media-disguises-bull****-as-fact.html
All I gotta say lol
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He makes some good points, but generally I give any author the benefit of the doubt until I *know* he's talking out his arse. I am sure I miss a lot of "BS" calls because I don't know the subject written about any better than the author. A lot of those points are just reflective of common bad journalism practices. Good, honest, neutral journalism is getting harder to find every day, and even hard news seems to be wrapped up agenda driven entertainment news format.
This is partly our fault for passively putting up with it. Image what would happen if every time an author was full of it, readers who really knew better exposed the author for the BS artist he was - with cold, hard, irrefutable facts and not just emotional reaction.
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Worldwide release would be nice, but google cant*yet-> too many features dont work outside the US (maps, voice,.....)
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Ah, I didn't even think of that. I am sure some disclaimer about those features up front could remedy that situation. It could still be a legal nightmare though.
attn1 said:
He was being critical of their distribution, saying it should have been sold globally with the most popular global frequencies. He was mindful of the rest of the world. If he misspoke, it was not because he didn't think they rest of the world mattered - quite the contrary, it was just the opposite.
The fact that the N1 was only subsidized (and still is) by T-Mobile in the US makes it seem like Google's focus for distribution is only on a small part of the US market, an approach which he is very obviously critical of. He's on your side, so I still don't get the purpose of the argument, even if he was wrong about where it was initially available. Ask Canadian Telus and Bell customers how they felt about the confusion of the Google's announcement regarding the availability of the model compatible with AT&T and Roger's 3G networks. I am sorry if you feel like you're treated like a small dot on the map, but picking fights isn't a good way to get noticed, especially when the guy you're picking on is on your side.
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Sheesh, fine my bad. I wasn't trying to be noticed, I wasn't trying to pick a fight, I'm just trying to correct a little point made by someone and I wasn't even refuting the gist of his point and this is what I get. He couldn't just reply in the first place with something like "yeah whatever, u get my point right?" and proceeds to defend his "only-USA" statement.
In anycase, I'm all for Google's original sale model to just launch it online. Even though its main focus is on USA. It was mentioned somewhere it's just a test case or something for Google to gauge the market response. So as long they do something about the global market in the near future.
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Sheesh, fine my bad. I wasn't trying to be noticed, I wasn't trying to pick a fight, I'm just trying to correct a little point made by someone and I wasn't even refuting the gist of his point and this is what I get. He couldn't just reply in the first place with something like "yeah whatever, u get my point right?" and proceeds to defend his "only-USA" statement.
In anycase, I'm all for Google's original sale model to just launch it online. Even though its main focus is on USA. It was mentioned somewhere it's just a test case or something for Google to gauge the market response. So as long they do something about the global market in the near future.
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Well it appears that we really are on the same page and in agreement. I hope they are ready to move full on to the global market soon.
To Paul's other point, I wish there was a way for them to sell from some other retail outlet without compromising the phone with crappy branding. But without subsidy from a carrier, it could be a very difficult sell and quantities might not make it attractive to retailers. I am sure Google has examined this possibility very carefully, and perhaps it is something that could work where handsets are not commonly subsidized (Not in the US).
Well the thing about the global scene is that different countries have different legal systems so perhaps Google is having a slight problem overcoming those. I suppose a good way to start is to strengthen the presence of Google branch offices in the various countries.
It is true I am having some gripes with the lack of certain "advertised" features using N1 in my country. Like no navigation and access to paid apps. Of course all these can be remedied now through rooting and custom roms but that kinda beats the whole purpose.
I have to admit that I bought N1 due to its unique factor. ie. you are just one in a hundred to get it online. Having Google give up their model and start selling the N1 like a normal phone kinda takes out the unique branding of it.
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I have to admit that I bought N1 due to its unique factor. ie. you are just one in a hundred to get it online. Having Google give up their model and start selling the N1 like a normal phone kinda takes out the unique branding of it.
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That is kind of nice, but I'd like to see Android run the competing mobile phone OS's right into the ground.
It would be a win for open source software, for Linux and for the consumers. The only losers would be the greedy corps trying to bend us over at every turn to grab more money. Apple and Microsoft for software, and wireless carriers for "services" like navigation programs for GPS and SMS text messaging - when you're more than likely already paying more than a fair amount for the data you're using.
How many people know that you can send and receive free SMS text (no MMS) with Google Voice without paying for MMS in addition to data? And where you have maps, the Android 2.x GPS navigation works without a GPS navigation service subscription? Our phones can demonstrate that. Over a couple of years, all that adds up to a pretty healthy phone subsidy from where I sit.
I am all about new stuff and gadgets and like to try things when they are available. I know NFC is not something that we can use soon(maybe we can) but do you guys care the ARC doesn't have NFC?
Any inputs would be nice and educational.
Thanks everyone.
PS* I know Xperia ACRO in Japan will have it soon + I know that we can't pack everything in one package.
Nimche said:
but do you guys care the ARC doesn't have NFC?
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I don't - I don't even know about any NFC usecases around here, so why should it bother me?
It's nice to see what you can do with it but i don't see it happening soon.
commodoor said:
It's nice to see what you can do with it but i don't see it happening soon.
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I am not saying that I can trust the system yet but here in the US some banks will start using it for testing in 2011. + there would be more things coming out of it!
This is probably SC-02C in japan with NFC/infrared and TV tuner (Xperia ACRO)
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I live in Netherlands and here is no interstate (yet) and you have to wait to see it succeed. The system has to be secure. Anyways i think that you wont miss anything big with nfc nowadays maybe over a year or two after heavy testing. Just my thoughts
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commodoor said:
I live in Netherlands and here is no interstate (yet) and you have to wait to see it succeed. The system has to be secure. Anyways i think that you wont miss anything big with nfc nowadays maybe over a year or two after heavy testing. Just my thoughts
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I totally agree and the only reason I ask the question was to see other people's point of view. Thanks for sharing.
I heard they are going to use it here in Spain this year, anyway you don't have to worry, there will be new NFC enabled sim cards
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I heard they are going to use it here in Spain this year, anyway you don't have to worry, there will be new NFC enabled sim cards
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What is that? Do you have information?
edit:Good stuff. Thank you. See I am learning...
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Personally, I'm a bit annoyed - it just seems so unnecessary to leave it out, especially when they're going to release a near-identical handset that has it.
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Personally, I'm a bit annoyed - it just seems so unnecessary to leave it out, especially when they're going to release a near-identical handset that has it.
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SC-02C has all those but then they said it is only for Japanese market since people use all those features like Infrared and TV Tuner + NFC? but look @ it, its certainly ticker more like X10 but still alot nicer and I wouldn't mind buying it and not having a curvy back might be good(I haven't got the ARC yet but once I get it I can compare it with my X10 and judge it then)
I bet they tried to make it as thin as possible to compete with iPhone in other markets while lots of people are going towards iPhone.
Pardon me for my google ignorance.. but what is NFC ?
NFC.
It's not a Google-specific tech.
Nokia have been sticking it into odd handsets here and there for a few years, the new WebOS devices use it too.
Away from phones, an increasing number of credit and debit cards use it as well as the Oyster card system the London underground uses.
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NFC.
It's not a Google-specific tech.
Nokia have been sticking it into odd handsets here and there for a few years, the new WebOS devices use it too.
Away from phones, an increasing number of credit and debit cards use it as well as the Oyster card system the London underground uses.
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"Google ignorance" as in "can't bother opening google and searching"
Thanks for the explanation !
In terms of financial transfers, I really couldn't give a hoot's monkey; my collegue has an NFC debit card, but if I received one I'd send it back due to my own conclussion of risk involved, but in terms of the future of NFC and what ELSE it's capable of, it interests me, but I don't feel I'm at any particular loss. It's hardly the next Multi-Touch.
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It's hardly the next Multi-Touch.
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Right! haha
To be honest. I know both manufacturers and companies need to make the leap together to start introducing it but really. I would need to be able to use it in more than the train station or Mc Donalds before I would bother
NFC is more than just payments though, the possibilities are endless.
I think that, properly implemented, it'll dwarf the usefulness of multi-touch which, lets face it, is only really used to marginally-improve zooming in and out in the web browser.
NFC tags could be embedded into almost anything and could be used for almost anything.
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NFC is more than just payments though, the possibilities are endless.
I think that, properly implemented, it'll dwarf the usefulness of multi-touch which, lets face it, is only really used to marginally-improve zooming in and out in the web browser.
NFC tags could be embedded into almost anything and could be used for almost anything.
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.... I see you've never played games, used Google Maps, Google Earth, or pinched on the Arc's home screen.
I can't think of a single game I've played on my phone(s) that required multi-touch.
Admittedly, I'm kinda tight-fisted so I've really only played the decent free ones like Angry Birds, Paper Toss, Bubble Blaster etc.
As for Google Maps and a phone's homescreen, fair enough I forgot those uses but it's basically the same as the web browser - zooming in and out.
And I'd wager most people zoom in and out on a web browser far more than they do on their handset's homescreen.
Even if NFC were only used for payments, it still makes it far more useful than multi-touch which, lets face it, we could all live without.
But as I say, the possibilities are endless, it's just a matter of thinking more broadly.
Hey guys does or will the new Nexus 7 (2013) be phone capable since it will have LTE this time? I have searched this thread and on line but came up with nothing out it has 4G LTE. Reason why is because I use my GTP 7 Plus 6200(3G) as my phone.
Thanks in advance Terry
Tarasque174 said:
Hey guys does or will the new Nexus 7 (2013) be phone capable since it will have LTE this time? I have searched this thread and on line but came up with nothing out it has 4G LTE. Reason why is because I use my GTP 7 Plus 6200(3G) as my phone.
Thanks in advance Terry
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Hey Terry,
I believe there are no stock phone capabilities with the N7. The LTE is just for data connectivity.
Correct me if I'm wrong,
Pert
pert_S said:
Hey Terry,
I believe there are no stock phone capabilities with the N7. The LTE is just for data connectivity.
Correct me if I'm wrong,
Pert
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You can use a VoIP app, there are even some that let you use your current number.
But I don't really think that is what you're asking.
dragonboydbboy said:
You can use a VoIP app, there are even some that let you use your current number.
But I don't really think that is what you're asking.
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Thanks for the reply! That actxatly waht I was looking for. Thanks But that sucks, I really like having only one device to carry around. And yes I really do use my GTP 7 Plus like crazy!
Everything people do with there phone I do it with my Tab. For those guys that think talking on a 7" device is crazy looking. LOL
I don't think you're crazy
I'm gonna try 'tablet talk' with the n7 and a bluetooth headset I got just today for $5. Phones are too small to be good for your eyes lol
Tarasque174 said:
Thanks for the reply! That actxatly waht I was looking for. Thanks But that sucks, I really like having only one device to carry around. And yes I really do use my GTP 7 Plus like crazy!
Everything people do with there phone I do it with my Tab. For those guys that think talking on a 7" device is crazy looking. LOL
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Haha I have a Note 8.0 and being on the phone in public always brings attention! :laugh:
There are two types of attention
Nexus 7 (2013) General > Nexus 7 Gen 2 "Phone Capability"?
If the device is being labeled as having a ''cellular support", does that mean it has a phone capability or just 3g/4g?
edit: A device has to have GSM to have phone capability.
I've thought about this as well... I would love it to be capable/practical as I only want to carry one device.
At the moment I think I'm just going to get the new 6.45" Xperia Z Ultra. I know its expensive but what the hell, I'm worth it
I really believe that if Google/Asus put phone capabilty on the Nexus 7, it would be a big hit.
I know I'd sell my Nexus 4 and buy it instantly, since I rarely use it as a phone. Maybe 2 or 3 times a day.
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I really believe that if Google/Asus put phone capabilty on the Nexus 7, it would be a big hit.
I know I'd sell my Nexus 4 and buy it instantly, since I rarely use it as a phone. Maybe 2 or 3 times a day.
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I'm half thinking they won't do it because they realise it will cannibalize phone sales. And google now has a vested interest in phones since they have acquired motorola.
I don't know maybe I'm off the mark? Is there a large enough portion of people who would use a 7" tablet as a phone to worry them? Phablet sales may indicate so.
I know everyone is complaining phones are getting to big but as a real productivity tool its the screen size that limits me. Give people choice I say. It will be interesting to see how well the Xperia Z ultra sells.
We need XDA experts to work on this - the Nexus 7 could be an EPIC phone!!!
Just use GrooVe IP + Google Voice.
or just wait a few years for the Nexus 7.... oh yea!
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I'm half thinking they won't do it because they realise it will cannibalize phone sales. And google now has a vested interest in phones since they have acquired motorola.
I don't know maybe I'm off the mark? Is there a large enough portion of people who would use a 7" tablet as a phone to worry them? Phablet sales may indicate so.
I know everyone is complaining phones are getting to big but as a real productivity tool its the screen size that limits me. Give people choice I say. It will be interesting to see how well the Xperia Z ultra sells.
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Cannibalise phone sales? Serious? Everyone's going to ditch their portable, pocketable phones for 7 inch ones?
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It's the one reason i won't buy a 3g/4g enabled tablet. Unless it offers me the ability to make a call (i make maybe 2 calls a month) and send texts (a lot), then there is no way i'm going to pay upto £10 a month just for a bit of internet ontop of having a phone contract. But i want the N7, not a samsung note etc.
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Cannibalise phone sales? Serious? Everyone's going to ditch their portable, pocketable phones for 7 inch ones?
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No not everyone, I'm just speculating as to possible reasons why they don't include phone functionality for the few cents extra it would cost. Any insight as to why?
I suspect carriers would be pissed with the idea regardless.
Come on XDA - lets put our thinking hats on!
We need 7" phones!
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No not everyone, I'm just speculating as to possible reasons why they don't include phone functionality for the few cents extra it would cost. Any insight as to why?
I suspect carriers would be pissed with the idea regardless.
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There'd probably be such little demand for a device like that.. Only people like you and me and xda'ers would be keen and we make up only a small, small minority
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So I see this commercial 24/7 but is anyone wondering why it's for the 5x and not the 6p?? Why wouldn't you highlight both?
Because our 6ps will never ship.... Jk [emoji14] Could speculate that Google wants to grab the attention of the low end market. Apple has most of the high end market , price wise, so there's a completely untapped market for the cheapies. Hence pushing a cheaper phone.
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Possible but why not show both so they could should they cover both sides ? I mean it's obvious the 6p is outselling the 5x
I have no solid idea but once again speculation, they may not want to compete with other flagships. Nexus isn't really about selling devices. More like making a statement. Plenty of articles out there talking about this paradigm. So phones with great camera, finger print sensors, and under 400$. Get people to like that hence commercials.
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Well personally I think nexus needs to become about sales. It's what android is and should be
AndreaCristiano said:
So I see this commercial 24/7 but is anyone wondering why it's for the 5x and not the 6p?? Why wouldn't you highlight both?
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Because LG's budget is bigger then a company that tapes and glues up their phones.
6p sells itself
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shook187 said:
Because LG's budget is bigger then a company that tapes and glues up their phones.
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lG didn't make the commercial and your comment about the 6p is childish
AndreaCristiano said:
Well personally I think nexus needs to become about sales. It's what android is and should be
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Lol - Android is all about increasing the value of Google ad services.
More Android/Google services users = more user information = charging more for ads.
That's Google's bread and butter.
Phazmos said:
Lol - Android is all about increasing the value of Google ad services.
More Android/Google services users = more user information = charging more for ads.
That's Google's bread and butter.
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Hence why Nexus should be about sales
Phazmos said:
Lol - Android is all about increasing the value of Google ad services.
More Android/Google services users = more user information = charging more for ads.
That's Google's bread and butter.
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Some people just fail to realize that.
Till a "Nexus" brings features and services that the mass market wants, a Nexus will always be a niche device even with Google's budget.
And with no carrier support even a unlimited advertising budget won't help move units.
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Hence why Nexus should be about sales
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Android is already on something like 80+% of mobile devices works wide.
Nexus is nothing more than a drop in the bucket.
What I do hope is nexus gets more and more people away from the carrier subsidized model that is still so prevalent - and prove to manufacturers that their skins don't add any value.
I believe that is the real value of nexus.
Phazmos said:
Android is already on something like 80+% of mobile devices works wide.
Nexus is nothing more than a drop in the bucket.
What I do hope is nexus gets more and more people away from the carrier subsidized model that is still so prevalent - and prove to manufacturers that their skins don't add any value.
I believe that is the real value of nexus.
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That 80% means nothing when profits aren't there. Market share is great and easy to get when phones are cheap and OS is basically free. That 80% is what it is and doesn't have bearing on why nexus shouldn't be upper echelon of android
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That 80% means nothing when profits aren't there. Market share is great and easy to get when phones are cheap and OS is basically free. That 80% is what it is and doesn't have bearing on why nexus shouldn't be upper echelon of android
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I'm afraid you don't understand what Android is about.
Check a couple posts back. The purpose of Android is explained in simple terms.
Phazmos said:
I'm afraid you don't understand what Android is about.
Check a couple posts back. The purpose of Android is explained in simple terms.
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I understand what it's about my friend I have had android since the G1 and have also developed for android. I also understand the way the market works and just pushing out google services on phones doesn't work. If it did Google wouldn't be making all their services available on iPhone as well. People expect certain things. As the consumer gets more educated the product must get better or fail
I'd say it's because the 6P is already selling quite well. The 5x needs a little advertising help.
AndreaCristiano said:
I understand what it's about my friend I have had android since the G1 and have also developed for android. I also understand the way the market works and just pushing out google services on phones doesn't work. If it did Google wouldn't be making all their services available on iPhone as well. People expect certain things. As the consumer gets more educated the product must get better or fail
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Sorry man, but I just gotta laugh!
Now, let's think, why would Google want their services on a device - Apple in this case - that has a user base with a higher yearly income, and users that have more disposable income, and users that actually spend that income, than any other devices user base?
That's great you're a developer, but having worked with a few myself (I'm not a code jockey - decided that wasn't for me in 76), I was always surprised how many didn't understand simple economics.
AndreaCristiano said:
I understand what it's about my friend I have had android since the G1 and have also developed for android. I also understand the way the market works and just pushing out google services on phones doesn't work. If it did Google wouldn't be making all their services available on iPhone as well. People expect certain things. As the consumer gets more educated the product must get better or fail
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Google is a pretty smart company chances are their business model is pretty smart also. Why invest in resources to build a phone when you could just foster an entire ecosystem's creation. So that means apps, companies, project ara, voice recognition and hundreds of other things google has its fingers in. Android exists to benefit Google short term and long term. Google doesn't just want the ads it wants the patents and the royalties.
Sent from a phone that isn't a Nexus 6p
I understand economics hence why I am saying what I am about nexus. There is a reason the 6p(premium) was made and other androids are going more premium.
Rainstalk said:
Google is a pretty smart company chances are their business model is pretty smart also. Why invest in resources to build a phone when you could just foster an entire ecosystem's creation. So that means apps, companies, project ara, voice recognition and hundreds of other things google has its fingers in. Android exists to benefit Google short term and long term. Google doesn't just want the ads it wants the patents and the royalties.
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I'm not saying they aren't a smart company. What I am saying is they can't always be the "cheaper" alternative. Premium androids in materials and quality are everywhere and for good reason. There is a reason why you here disparaging reviews on the 5x and how it's cheap compared to the 6p. People want android to be more than googles services pimp
Hmmm seams to me that the p8000 and the p9000 (as they are the only 2 ive came into contact with) have great spec but Elephone have really dropped the ball when it comes to the software as the software does not support NFC payments including GOOGLE pay WHY would any company cut its own throat like this people wont buy Elephone again and they will go bust
Not everyone tracks company's history so they will allways catch some new customers
Anyway we get what we pay for. There are much worst phones.
Quite well maybe but they advertised this p9000 falsely and word of mouth goes a long way in business world look what happened to ratners lol
just wrote to [email protected] claiming the PumpExpress lack and the false advertisment in the official website... just wanted to bother them a bit
Fran Montero said:
just wrote to [email protected] claiming the PumpExpress lack and the false advertisment in the official website... just wanted to bother them a bit
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all they will do is tell you to make a video and then they wont reply to you lol
Pro4TLZZ said:
all they will do is tell you to make a video and then they wont reply to you lol
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HAHAHA i'll send them a video of my arse XD
Google pay means nothing to me, I would never use it anyway. Why do some people think this one fact is such a BIGEEE?
I guess I am an opposite thinker to most people, I am getting extremely close to using only cash in our world of online spying, scams and internet INsecurity. My debit card is just about hanging in there (its not even contactless)
but thats not the point it means if google pay doesnt work lots of other things wont work like banking apps and many other things that Elephone say that will work on the p9000 and the p8000 and if you dont have anything constructive maybe saying nowt is a good option
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but thats not the point it means if google pay doesnt work lots of other things wont work like banking apps and many other things that Elephone say that will work on the p9000 and the p8000 and if you dont have anything constructive maybe saying nowt is a good option
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The thread implies it is commecial madness by Elephone, I commented that it did not and would not affect me as a user.
I did not realise that being a member on XDA means that I can only "comment" in threads once getting pandashoe's approval or agreeing with their OPINIONS.
Ah well, theres always one and now I know who it is
Any phone that has had its Bootloader Unlocked or has been Rooted will face the same problems, so to say it is just an Elephone thing is wrong, if those things are important then get a locked down phone and don't root.
My banking app works.
Google pay is not the end of the world, buy a "cumpliant" phone if you need it.
I hope pandas hoe approves my message.
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but thats not the point it means if google pay doesnt work lots of other things wont work like banking apps and many other things that Elephone say that will work on the p9000 and the p8000 and if you dont have anything constructive maybe saying nowt is a good option
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I don't know what banking apps you use but I use four of them and each and every one of them work just fine. The Only one that is problematic is the one that uses fingerprint recognition as a method of authentication and that has nothing to do with Android Pay.
Personally, I found mentalasanything's post quite constructive - just because he doesn't agree with you does not make it non-constructive. I agree with him in that Android Pay is something that just doesn't interest me.
On the other hand, I would agree that the way Elephone conducts itself is terrible by the standards of a western / European company. The thing is though, they aren't a western or European company and appear to already have a pretty terrible reputation here.
I have only owned the device for a week and frankly the software on it is beyond awful. The hardware appears to be very good value for money (ok the camera and fingerprint sensor aren't stellar but can be improved with software) but the stock ROM feels like an early beta rather than the ROM of a device that's a year old. I am holding out for a build of Deepflex's CM13 that has all the features I want working at the same time - then I will be quite happy with the device.