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I live in the US. I am on the t-mobile network (without data) using a Euro HD2.
What are the benefits of having the T-mobile USA HD2? I have the Euro version.
Basically someone wants to buy my HD2 for $550.00 USD (Which I bought for $600.00 USD). Why couldn't they just get the T-mobile version? It's cheaper.
In terms of hardware wise, its exactly the same internally except that American HD2 has 1GB of ROM. I mean, if I can shove the American hd2 hardware into the euro framework, I would.
Someone tell me why I shouldn't sell my euro HD2 and buy a brand-new, in-box American HD2 on ebay for $400.00 USD?
lemonspeakers said:
I live in the US. I am on the t-mobile network (without data) using a Euro HD2.
What are the benefits of having the T-mobile USA HD2? I have the Euro version.
Basically someone wants to buy my HD2 for $550.00 USD (Which I bought for $600.00 USD). Why couldn't they just get the T-mobile version? It's cheaper.
In terms of hardware wise, its exactly the same internally except that American HD2 has 1GB of ROM. I mean, if I can shove the American hd2 hardware into the euro framework, I would.
Someone tell me why I shouldn't sell my euro HD2 and buy a brand-new, in-box American HD2 on ebay for $400.00 USD?
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1. US version uses different frequences for 3G. So if you're planning to use your phone primarily on any network other than T-Mobile US, and you care about 3G, then you should keep your European version.
2. US version is locked to T-Mobile network. (Can be unlocked, though)
3. US verision is slightly longer, may be an issue if you're using a hard case.
Other than that I don't see any reasons why you shouldn't.
American HD2 can have 3G only in US and almost nowhere else on Earth. It's as simple as that. If you travel a lot, you would most probably get Euro HD2.
vponomarev said:
1. US version uses different frequences for 3G. So if you're planning to use your phone primarily on any network other than T-Mobile US, and you care about 3G, then you should keep your European version.
2. US version is locked to T-Mobile network. (Can be unlocked, though)
3. US verision is slightly longer, may be an issue if you're using a hard case.
Other than that I don't see any reasons why you shouldn't.
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1) Can the Euro HD2 use American AT&T 3G? Or are the frequencies totally different. As far as I know, I wont be going anywhere outside of the US any time within the next 5 years.
2) It can be unlocked, sure. Was the Euro Hd2 every lock to begin with? Mines was already unlocked when I got it on ebay.
3) That extra 1mm length does make the US HD2 ugly. But It doesnt hurt since I HATE using device cases since it takes the beauty away from the device. I use invisibleshield (Looks best if you know how to put one on!) and a Vuikiti Screen protector.
I can always swap out the color hardware keys to the euro's all-white keys, and the main screen as well so I don't have the t-mobile logo. If I am correct, the extra 1mm length is on the bottom of the rubber coating cover and not on the glass?
I am still not convinced why I shouldn't sell my HD2 and buy a new one for much, MUCH, much cheaper...
lemonspeakers said:
1) Can the Euro HD2 use American AT&T 3G? Or are the frequencies totally different. As far as I know, I wont be going anywhere outside of the US any time within the next 5 years.
2) It can be unlocked, sure. Was the Euro Hd2 every lock to begin with? Mines was already unlocked when I got it on ebay.
3) That extra 1mm length does make the US HD2 ugly. But It doesnt hurt since I HATE using device cases since it takes the beauty away from the device. I use invisibleshield (Looks best if you know how to put one on!) and a Vuikiti Screen protector.
I can always swap out the color hardware keys to the euro's all-white keys, and the main screen as well so I don't have the t-mobile logo. If I am correct, the extra 1mm length is on the bottom of the rubber coating cover and not on the glass?
I am still not convinced why I shouldn't sell my HD2 and buy a new one for much, MUCH, much cheaper...
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The glass is slightly longer on the US HD2, I believe. I got a vikuiti screen protector for my t-mo US HD2 and it doesn't fit perfect... but it isn't that noticeable. I would go ahead and the the T-Mo US HD2 if you're using T-Mobile anyways.
lemonspeakers said:
1) Can the Euro HD2 use American AT&T 3G? Or are the frequencies totally different. As far as I know, I wont be going anywhere outside of the US any time within the next 5 years.
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As far as I know, yes, Euro HD2 will work with AT&T 3G. I had a Euro version of HTC Kaiser and tried it once with a friend's AT&T SIM and 3G worked.
vponomarev said:
As far as I know, yes, Euro HD2 will work with AT&T 3G. I had a Euro version of HTC Kaiser and tried it once with a friend's AT&T SIM and 3G worked.
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Ummm, no. The Euro HD2 will not work with AT&T 3G. If it did, do you think people (like myself) would spend $800-900 for the Telstra model?
Benefits of Tmo-us HD2:
dropped calls
3G and Edge switching
different ROM
slightly longer phone?
only Tmobile Band frequency...
I don't if you would still call them benefits though lol...
meh, I'll keep the TMOUS HD2 though.
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As far as I know, yes, Euro HD2 will work with AT&T 3G. I had a Euro version of HTC Kaiser and tried it once with a friend's AT&T SIM and 3G worked.
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Some phones are "world" phones and have radios to go around the globe, not many offer full 3g though. All GSM phones work on Edge though. I would love it if they would do the same with the 3g frequencies. Would make their roll outs cheaper as everyone has the same gear...
Only the Telstra Aussie version works with ATT3g if you live in an 850 mhz zone. Which ATT is trying to switch over to completely I believe.
The T-Mobile phone has been good to me, I do switch to edge and back more than I would like but so far I am not sorry I bought it.
If you have the Euro phone why not try the proxy tweak on this forum (if you use att) and see how much you can get out of edge?
ozkaya said:
American HD2 can have 3G only in US and almost nowhere else on Earth. It's as simple as that. If you travel a lot, you would most probably get Euro HD2.
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I thought this too, but I just traveled with my unlocked U.S. T-Mobile HD2 in Netherlands and Latvia and got 3G with my prepaid T-Mobile NL and BiFri sim cards.
In a nutshell, would a Tmobile US HD2 work in the UK under the virgin network?
I've been looking at the frequency that virgin's running at and the supported list for the T9193, and I just want to confirm that it should work before I buy it.
Oh, and does the US version come with the AUO Display by any chance?
It will of course need to be unlocked/sim free and to get the hsdpa/3G connection will need to support that.
As you have done some of the homework I expect by now you'll know
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It will of course need to be unlocked/sim free and to get the hsdpa/3G connection will need to support that.
As you have done some of the homework I expect by now you'll know
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I won't need to because most of the ones I've found on sale are already unlocked, so this would work?
I've always wanted to know,,, since the tmous network uses aws, meaning it uses both it's available utms bands, 1700 and 2100, one for up, one for down, and everyone else uses one band for both, 2100 in this case, is the tmous radio hardware capable of using one band for both?
(Also, wasn't clear from your post, but you know the t9193 is the telstra model, not tmous, right?)
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(Also, wasn't clear from your post, but you know the t9193 is the telstra model, not tmous, right?)
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Actually, I didn't, I just assumed T9193 was the US version.
Hehe, lucky you didn't impulse buy then eh?
There would be no benefit in bringing a t9193 to the UK, since it is identical to the regular hd2( commonly called the t8585, but see below) with the exception of the 850/2100 bands instead of 900/2100, and a tiny amount of case branding.
The tmous appears to carry the same t8585 designation as the regular hd2, although it never seems to be referenced as such anywhere, and Googling t8585 always brings up the regular, never the tmous.
samsamuel said:
Hehe, lucky you didn't impulse buy then eh?
There would be no benefit in bringing a t9193 to the UK, since it is identical to the regular hd2( commonly called the t8585, but see below) with the exception of the 850/2100 bands instead of 900/2100, and a tiny amount of case branding.
The tmous appears to carry the same t8585 designation as the regular hd2, although it never seems to be referenced as such anywhere, and Googling t8585 always brings up the regular, never the tmous.
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Yes, very lucky
As for why I want it, there's a lower chance of having wake up lag, and it has 1gb rom, that's all. So if possible I'd like to have this.
Again, not sure from your post which one you mean by "why I want it", though I shall assume you mean the tmous because the t9193 does NOT have 1gb rom.(as for less chance of wake-up lag,,,, hmmm, I'd take that little nugget of info with a large pinch of salt. I've been here daily for 18 months and seen absolutely NO evidence pointing to that being true, ((and indeed you are the first person I've seen saying it)))
your research now would be aimed at finding out for sure if a phone designed for aws can be used on non aws networks. I suspect it will but I for one certainly wouldn't buy until I knew for definite.
samsamuel said:
Again, not sure from your post which one you mean by "why I want it", though I shall assume you mean the tmous because the t9193 does NOT have 1gb rom.(as for less chance of wake-up lag,,,, hmmm, I'd take that little nugget of info with a large pinch of salt. I've been here daily for 18 months and seen absolutely NO evidence pointing to that being true, ((and indeed you are the first person I've seen saying it)))
your research now would be aimed at finding out for sure if a phone designed for aws can be used on non aws networks. I suspect it will but I for one certainly wouldn't buy until I knew for definite.
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Sorry for nt being clear, but I meant the tmous, and I just think there's a better chance of it not having wake up lag, and also having an AUO display.
I got the Tmous version & have used it in UK on Vadaphone & T-Mobile, had 3G connection but didn't give it the best of tests as was only in town for a day.
I expect it will be fine as worked perfect on european networks using 2 bands (1up, 1down).
Wil be in UK next month so will test it fully.
Mister B said:
I got the Tmous version & have used it in UK on Vadaphone & T-Mobile, had 3G connection but didn't give it the best of tests as was only in town for a day.
I expect it will be fine as worked perfect on european networks using 2 bands (1up, 1down).
Wil be in UK next month so will test it fully.
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Ty a lot, that's all I needed, virgin is a virtual network using Tmobile, so if it works on that, then it should work fine
no problem, Tmous is the beast & the later built models have revised motherboard & new screen supplier so quality/reliability is better.
Tmob bashed HTC over high unit returns & was the only thing that pushed HTC to do a sneaky revision model.
I run mine on Energy ROM & it is superb, works great in all countries & scenarios I have encountered so far.
1200Mah battery is only real big issue as on 3g HSPDA ect it uses a lot of power compared to GSM Edge.
Mister B said:
no problem, Tmous is the beast & the later built models have revised motherboard & new screen supplier so quality/reliability is better.
Tmob bashed HTC over high unit returns & was the only thing that pushed HTC to do a sneaky revision model.
I run mine on Energy ROM & it is superb, works great in all countries & scenarios I have encountered so far.
1200Mah battery is only real big issue as on 3g HSPDA ect it uses a lot of power compared to GSM Edge.
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Sounds great, I'd been thinking of jumping on the dual core bandwagon, but the cost has been holding me back, and this piece of news makes me feel better.
Mister B said:
no problem, Tmous is the beast & the later built models have revised motherboard & new screen supplier so quality/reliability is better.
Tmob bashed HTC over high unit returns & was the only thing that pushed HTC to do a sneaky revision model.
I run mine on Energy ROM & it is superb, works great in all countries & scenarios I have encountered so far.
1200Mah battery is only real big issue as on 3g HSPDA ect it uses a lot of power compared to GSM Edge.
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Yeah you are right T-Mobile had a huge percentage of HD2 returns and exchanges. Heck even I myself had a replacement HD2 sent to me as my first one had gotten where it would take me up to ten resets to getcit to boot past the orange Windows screen. But most of the returns in my opinion were because people were use to iPhones and Android devices not Windows Mobile. And as we all know Windows Mobile is not for everybody, especially te stock Win Mo ROMs. I myself hated my HD2 the first month I had it as it was my first smartphone cause it would freeze up, close applications on it's own, turn off on it's own (sometimes), get stuck on boot up everytime I had to turn it off then back own, and took forever to load a web page. But when I flash the official update almost all of that cleared up except the damn sticking at bootup. Not long after I flashed the update (my very first flash ) I found XDA and my HD2 became a prized possession. I have not ever so much as seen are touched a EU HD2 and I know they are probably justcas good as a TMOUS HD2, after all Cottula's HD2 is a EU lol. But just to give you some more personal feed back. My TMOUS is great. It still agrevates me sometimes but that is only because I live in an area with crappy signal. Can not give you feed back on your question about it working where you live but I can tell you that you won't regret buying a TMOUS HD2, unless you flash the wrong radio to it lol.
T-Macgnolia said:
Can not give you feed back on your question about it working where you live but I can tell you that you won't regret buying a TMOUS HD2, unless you flash the wrong radio to it lol.
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I take it u mean the .51.x radios? Will prbly buy it tomorrow from ebay.
Looks like the following works fine:
Leo_Radio_2.15.50.14
Seems to be the same one I was using for my eu hd2
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I take it u mean the .51.x radios? Will prbly buy it tomorrow from ebay.
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Yeah that is what I am talking about. You can not flash a radio with a 51 in it to a TMOUS. Also you can not flash a radio with these numbers in it 2.04.50.xx or 2.05.50.xx, these where the radios used in the test TMOUS HD2 devices (HTC Pro Three) and they will kill a TMOUS just like a radio with a 51 in it. You have been warned lol.
T-Macgnolia said:
Yeah that is what I am talking about. You can not flash a radio with a 51 in it to a TMOUS. Also you can not flash a radio with these numbers in it 2.04.50.xx or 2.05.50.xx, these where the radios used in the test TMOUS HD2 devices (HTC Pro Three) and they will kill a TMOUS just like a radio with a 51 in it. You have been warned lol.
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You've made me start worrying even before I've bought it. :'(
Mister B said:
I got the Tmous version & have used it in UK on Vadaphone & T Mo
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Good to know. Makes sense that it would work, else roaming wouldn't, but nice to have it confirmed.
Moon2 said:
You've made me start worrying even before I've bought it. :'(
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Don't sweat it man, as long as you make sure the ROM you are flashing does not have one of those radios you are cool. The custom Win Mo ROMs mostly do not have radio included in them but just to be safe I would only flash a custom ROM from the HD2 T-Mobile Windows 6.5 development forum or a custom ROM that spacificaily says it is compatible with the TMOUS. All Android and WP7 ROMs do not have radios included so they are alll cool to flash. The only real ROMs you really have to watch are the official ROMs as they have radios included. If you flash a official stock ROM only use the one you get from the T-Mobile wibsite and you are gravy.
Moon2 said:
You've made me start worrying even before I've bought it. :'(
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Don't worry plenty of info on radios for TmoUS.
I'm currently testing radios for my device & usage. 2.12.50.02_2 is a well liked radio for most people. 2.15.50.14 was slated by a few intelligent HD2 users, haven't tested it myself yet.
This device is superb, just read the forums & post if you have concerns on flashing ect.
Hello guys,
I don't currently own an HTC HD2, but soon will.
I am aware there are two different versions of the phone: The T-Mobile version, with 1gb rom and 512 ram, and the European/International version of the HD2, with less ram and half the rom. Correct? Also, the T-Mobile version has the "T-Mobile" text under the speaker (is this always true?).
I'd like to know which of the versions you guys advise me to get. I'm concerned the European/International version is limited in terms of rom, and that I won't be able to use the full potential of the phone because of that.
I will want dual-boot of WP7 and an Android rom...
So, can anyone help me?
Thanks
Of course T-Mobile version is better, you already know the answer to that. As far as which one to get - get the one you can afford in the best condition/age for your money, as both versions work equally well and ROMs are written for both without limitations. The only thing you will notice is less memory available for your programs installations, but then you can always use your memory card and move apps to free space.
Other than T-Mobile written under the speaker, the hard keys will be colored on tMobile version and are white on 512, T-Mobile is also about 2mm longer, but not due to any difference in screen size, just the housing on the bottom.
I asked because I read that, in terms of ram, both versions have the same, except the original rom on the European version, locks-out a part of it. Using a custom rom unlock all the ram, like in T-Mo version.
I also read, on XDA, that there are more roms for the European version, since there isn't a really big support for 1GB nand... true?
Thanks =p
RAM being the same means you will see no difference in running. You can also flash 512 ROM to a TMOUS, but if the ROM doesn't support TMOUS specifically, it means it will be partitioned as if it's 512 with some of the ROM memory unavailable, at least that is my understanding of it. Although the best Android NAND ROMS I flashed all supported TMOUS. WP7 I am currently waiting on to improve, but flashed to my TMOUS previously with no issues other than bugs and annoyances.
In essence, you are not going to flash every ROM that is out there, just see what's available and for what, read what others are saying and so on. I honestly don't think it's a huge dilemma.
Does the TMOUS version always have the branding next to the speakers?
AFAIK WP7 doesn't use the extra RAM in TMOUS HD2, so you wouldn't notice any difference anyway. SD ROMS might use it but its only 500 Mb difference and SD cards are getting bigger and cheaper all the time.
I think I'll go for the European version... But since it's the same, if I get a good deal on a Tmous one, I'll do it.
check out what you're looking for in ROM terms , cause there's no compatibility, so it may be your favorite chef works only on one hd2 version
There are more versions of the HD2 than two
Just to complete the list: there are more versions of the HD2 than two and memory isn't the only difference.
1. T-Mobile US PB81120 (more memory for T-Mobile requirements and for USA specialized radio chipset)
2. European HD2 PB81100 or T8585 (specialized radio chipset for Europe)
3. Asia/Pacific HD2 PB81110 or T9193 (specialized radio chipset for Asia/Pacific)
4. Chinese HD2 T9188 aka Tianxi (with specialized radio chipset for China and design adjustments)
5. Dopod HD2 T8588 (identical to T8585 apart from dopod logo)
EDIT: my advise: to use the full potential of a HD2 in Europe I would like to recommend a European HD2 T8585 because of the used radio chipsets for data transfer.
uli71 said:
Just to complete the list: there are more versions of the HD2 than two and memory isn't the only difference.
1. T-Mobile US PB81120 (more memory for T-Mobile requirements and for USA specialized radio chipset)
2. European HD2 PB81100 or T8585 (specialized radio chipset for Europe)
3. Asia/Pacific HD2 PB81110 or T9193 (specialized radio chipset for Asia/Pacific)
4. Chinese HD2 T9188 aka Tianxi (with specialized radio chipset for China and design adjustments)
5. Dopod HD2 T8588 (identical to T8585 apart from dopod logo)
EDIT: my advise: to use the full potential of a HD2 in Europe I would like to recommend a European HD2 T8585 because of the used radio chipsets for data transfer.
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Thanks =p
I'm thinking about this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280714810924&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
It's the European/International version.
The seller also says it uses/has the 900 2100 band... What is this, do you guys know?
How about the price? Is it good? I also have to pay 40 usd shipping. So total is 400 usd.
All over the world there are used different radio frequencies for cellular network according to the different standards or legal requirements.
If you buy something in the USA, please don't forget the import tariff you also have to pay to your local customs office.
And according to to the shipping policy of the seller the only send within the USA.
uli71 said:
Just to complete the list: there are more versions of the HD2 than two and memory isn't the only difference.
1. T-Mobile US PB81120 (more memory for T-Mobile requirements and for USA specialized radio chipset)
2. European HD2 PB81100 or T8585 (specialized radio chipset for Europe)
3. Asia/Pacific HD2 PB81110 or T9193 (specialized radio chipset for Asia/Pacific)
4. Chinese HD2 T9188 aka Tianxi (with specialized radio chipset for China and design adjustments)
5. Dopod HD2 T8588 (identical to T8585 apart from dopod logo)
EDIT: my advise: to use the full potential of a HD2 in Europe I would like to recommend a European HD2 T8585 because of the used radio chipsets for data transfer.
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Ohhhh That's very good info. Thanks for that.
I never knew HD2 has so many versions.
Difference in capacitive touch screen (glass) replacement?
Hi all
I have a European HD2, bought on Orange network in France (I assume its the European version) and my glass is cracked. I can buy a T-Mobile glass (capacitive touch screen) replacement.. will it fit?
The supplier expressed concern over the connections. He said the TMobile one may have a different connection?
Does anyone know .. or is there another thread for this?
Thanks.
uli71 said:
Just to complete the list: there are more versions of the HD2 than two and memory isn't the only difference.
1. T-Mobile US PB81120 (more memory for T-Mobile requirements and for USA specialized radio chipset)
2. European HD2 PB81100 or T8585 (specialized radio chipset for Europe)
3. Asia/Pacific HD2 PB81110 or T9193 (specialized radio chipset for Asia/Pacific)
4. Chinese HD2 T9188 aka Tianxi (with specialized radio chipset for China and design adjustments)
5. Dopod HD2 T8588 (identical to T8585 apart from dopod logo)
EDIT: my advise: to use the full potential of a HD2 in Europe I would like to recommend a European HD2 T8585 because of the used radio chipsets for data transfer.
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farcry27 said:
Hi all
I have a European HD2, bought on Orange network in France (I assume its the European version) and my glass is cracked. I can buy a T-Mobile glass (capacitive touch screen) replacement.. will it fit?
The supplier expressed concern over the connections. He said the TMobile one may have a different connection?
Does anyone know .. or is there another thread for this?
Thanks.
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T-Mobile or T-Mobile USA?
I don't know if there is a mechanical or electrical differencebut I believe there is one, because of the different dimensions.
Maybe this thread is helpfull: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=613954
I will find out soon enough. The screen is being imported from the USA so and has a TMobile sign below the speaker.
tnx for the link.
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T-Mobile or T-Mobile USA?
I don't know if there is a mechanical or electrical differencebut I believe there is one, because of the different dimensions.
Maybe this thread is helpfull: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=613954
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Supplier gave me this:
The writing is tiny, but I see
c8043g-t01x402us
f090361a0-cto1106
3183-00737
(useful I know!)
uli71 said:
All over the world there are used different radio frequencies for cellular network according to the different standards or legal requirements.
If you buy something in the USA, please don't forget the import tariff you also have to pay to your local customs office.
And according to to the shipping policy of the seller the only send within the USA.
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Yeah. I just remembered the freaking fares.
I would have to pay +21% of the price, + some fixed taxes. God. For that I'd be better buying one at a store here.
So now, I'm going to dive in to ebay.co.uk. The prices aren't so appealing, and there isn't much variety... Oh well.
The digitizer connector concern is a valid one. There are 2 types of digitizer connectors - one needs to be flex soldered to the connection on the LCD, another is a plugin.
farcry27 said:
Hi all
I have a European HD2, bought on Orange network in France (I assume its the European version) and my glass is cracked. I can buy a T-Mobile glass (capacitive touch screen) replacement.. will it fit?
The supplier expressed concern over the connections. He said the TMobile one may have a different connection?
Does anyone know .. or is there another thread for this?
Thanks.
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For 99% it wouldn't fit because of the connector between touchscreen and LCD.
Thanks and Looking for European HD2 PB81100 or T8585 Capacitive Touch
Thanks to those who answered my question, you saved my money and fristration.
I am still looking for a Capacitive Touch screen for my: European HD2 PB81100 or T8585 (I assume that is correct as I bought it in France.)
Can anyone suggest a supplier who ships internationally? I am in South Africa.
hello guys,
i want to clear some of my issues here, so guys please help me out (and please don't suggest me to buy a new phone as i don't like WM7 nor android nor iOS but i like windows 6.5 and wants to test some things on this phone only)
so i have done my homework(just a bit) and checked this comparison between both of them and found only a few things are different, here they are
gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3228&idPhone2=2957
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T-Mobile HD2 HTC HD2
1. 3G Network : HSDPA 1700 / 2100 HSDPA 900 / 2100
HSDPA 850 / 2100 - Australian Version
2. Dimensions : 122 x 67 x 11 mm 120.5 x 67 x 11 mm
3. Memory(Internal) : 576 MB RAM, 1 GB ROM 448 MB RAM, 512 MB ROM
4. WLAN : Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g, Wi-Fi router
1. i want to use this phone in India so does the point no. 1 concerns me ???
2. i don't care about this difference
3. this is the major thing what i want to know , tell me everything that what differences does 512MB ROM can make.
4. i think that's just a typo error and HTC HD2 also have Wi-Fi router, if i'm wrong please tell me what does it do.
+ one more thing i want to know is how loud is the speaker sound is(for ringtones) in comparison to HTC Touch Diamond(i already got this one).
i have heard that radio version of T-Mobile HD2 is something weird , so it doesn't support most of the ROM's and people can brick this easily(accidently).
Note : i want to check Android OS's , WM7 OS and ubuntu too , so keeping that in mind and suggest me that if T-Mobile with 576 MB RAM, 1 GB ROM is better or the other one .
Thanx for reading this
The only difference is ROM, 1GB in TMOUS and 512MB in international version.
Radio bricks? You can cause them only if you install wrong Windows Mobile ROM or very old radio. If you want to stick to Android and WP7, there's nothing you should worry about.
1 pretty sure most networks in India use the 2100 so should be fine. If you intend to do any travelling though, the regular will have a bit more roaming compatibility.
3 with the correct rom radio and spl combination the regular hd2 also has 576m ram, and besides, 448 is usually plenty. Check the Artemis winmo6.5 rom, it doesn't use the extra ram and doesn't suffer for it.
That just leaves the double internal rom. If/when magldr 2 gets released, you'll be able to have multiple OS's in nand, in which case the extra 512meg will be really useful, but for now, with android using a2sd to simulate internal memory on the SD its not a big difference.
The big difference as you noted (incorrect reasoning, but it does lead to a brick) is the radio.
Regular can use any radio, but must use a T-Mobile (tmous) radio if you want to unlock the extra ram or use android/wp7/magldr.
Radios are told apart by the code,,,
x.xx.50 are tmous,
x.xx.51 for regular, however since the later regular roms started shipping with 50 radios too, most people just set something like 2.15.50 and forget about it.
It boils down to "never flash a regular hd2 stock rom to a tmous, its radio will brick it.
most important thing is buying a good device & not really so important in terms of TMOUS or International.
1GB ROM is nice on the TMOUS but a good working device preferably new & not from eBay & the likes is the main thing of concern.
TMOUS 3G band issues is not a great concern & I have used mine in many countries on 3G with no issues yet.
Just go with the best & newest you can get hold of.
thanx for the fast replies guys
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@Spaqin :::
so you mean if i install a false ROM of 6.5 only than there are chances of getting the device bricked but i try Android(ICSW) and WP7 its safe ??
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@samsamuel :::
if 2100 works in India i'll be fine than(no plans for travelling in near future), BTW what exactly is magldr 2 ? and is that extra 512MB ROM makes any difference in interface speed of WP7 or Android(if we install them)
what if install a false radio and get bricked.....is that mean we will be stuck on a black screen for ever and no coming back to official ROM ??
what is a nand ?
i gurss you haven't check the 4th point of WLAN and what about loudness of speaker in comparison to touch diamond ?
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@Mister B :::
thanx for the suggestion dear but i really don't want to buy a newest model, and why not to buy it from ebay ?
and i really don't have a plan to travel in near future , so no need to worry about the band issues
buy hd2 new if possible not a newest model.
ebay is full of defect devices, it is quite a risk.
I have tested hd2 tmous in many countries over last 2years & 1700/2100 3g bands have been no issue for me ...
@Mister B ::::
well as i live in INDIA and here i couldn't find a box pack model so gonna get it from ebay.com only coz amazon don't ship to india.........BTW planning to buy a brand new but used one's are also available here on Indian ebay.in
Question . : even the brand new phone have defects from ebay ?? is that a personal experience ?
amitkool21 said:
@samsamuel :::
if 2100 works in India i'll be fine than(no plans for travelling in near future), BTW what exactly is magldr 2 ?
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magldr is a custom bootloader used to load wp7/android.
and is that extra 512MB ROM makes any difference in interface speed of WP7 or Android(if we install them)
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it may help to have the whole rom on the same memory chip, but in general i doubt it. so long as the sd card is a decent one, and the rom you install is working right (not an alpha/beta) then you shouldn't see any difference.
what if install a false radio and get bricked.....is that mean we will be stuck on a black screen for ever and no coming back to official ROM ??
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JTAG will fix it. (dont ask, look it up if you wanna know what it is)
what is a nand ?
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the internal memory chip, the read only memory, , the internal storage chip, it is 'nand' flash memory, hence we call it 'nand' or 'the nand' as in ' im dual booting wp7 from the nand, gingerbread android from sd'
i gurss you haven't check the 4th point of WLAN
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didnt bother reading that far, , , there are no differences in wifi.
and what about loudness of speaker in comparison to touch diamond ?
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couldnt say. what i CAN say is its very dependant on what you are running, most winmo roms are fine, i think i remember hearing that wp7 was a bit loud, and i find android just a little quiet.
@samsamuel : thanx for all these detailed answers man......
some few more questions here(sorry)
check this thread ::: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1786261
Q. does that mean i can't use this device in India ?
Q. can we flash Win 7 to nand ?
Q. what you suggest a T-Mobile HD2 or the HTC HD2 ?
Q. any site with internationl shipping(and what maximum price you suggest) ?
Q. what are the different-different models available for HD2, like HD2 T8585 , HD2 Leo 100 and some others.....are they any different ??
again a big thanx man
Mister B said:
buy hd2 new if possible not a newest model.
ebay is full of defect devices, it is quite a risk.
I have tested hd2 tmous in many countries over last 2years & 1700/2100 3g bands have been no issue for me ...
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even i would like to know the same thing as i have just bought this phone from ebay.com.
He is saying its WP6.5 stock and sealed and all.
what possible defect are you talking about ?
amitkool21 said:
@samsamuel : thanx for all these detailed answers man......
some few more questions here(sorry)
check this thread ::: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1786261
Q. does that mean i can't use this device in India ?
you can use this device in india
Q. can we flash Win 7 to nand ?
we can flash win7 only to nand. android is installed in SD
Q. what you suggest a T-Mobile HD2 or the HTC HD2 ?
its same. because NAND is just a ROM, where win 7 will be installed. As stated unless MGLDR 2 doesn't come out and you want to install both OS in NAND. it makes no difference.
Q. any site with internationl shipping(and what maximum price you suggest) ?
i bought from ebay. waiting for it to get delivered.
Q. what are the different-different models available for HD2, like HD2 T8585 , HD2 Leo 100 and some others.....are they any different ??
HD2 T8585 is HD2 Leo which is HTC HD2. Its mentioned here:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd2-2957.php
First line
again a big thanx man
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tanush said:
even i would like to know the same thing as i have just bought this phone from ebay.com.
He is saying its WP6.5 stock and sealed and all.
what possible defect are you talking about ?
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@tanush : where you from(state) and have you bought it from ebay.com or ebay.in and a T-Mobile or a International Model ???
tanush said:
even i would like to know the same thing as i have just bought this phone from ebay.com.
He is saying its WP6.5 stock and sealed and all.
what possible defect are you talking about ?
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and can you please provide me the link of ebay listing.........???
amitkool21 said:
@samsamuel : thanx for all these detailed answers man......
some few more questions here(sorry)
check this thread ::: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1786261
Q. does that mean i can't use this device in India ?
Q. can we flash Win 7 to nand ?
Q. what you suggest a T-Mobile HD2 or the HTC HD2 ?
Q. any site with internationl shipping(and what maximum price you suggest) ?
Q. what are the different-different models available for HD2, like HD2 T8585 , HD2 Leo 100 and some others.....are they any different ??
again a big thanx man
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and can you please provide me the link of ebay listing.........???
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ebay.com bro.. no listing in ebay.in
PMed you the link!
amitkool21 said:
@samsamuel : thanx for all these detailed answers man......
some few more questions here(sorry)
check this thread ::: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1786261
Q. does that mean i can't use this device in India ?
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well, since you picked that post i shall assume you are using vodaphone, , , gsm will work because the hd2 (both types) are quad band, so that handles calls, gprs, and edge, and voda india puts out hsdpa at 900 and 2100, and both regular and tmous can handle 3g on 2100, while the regular can also handle hsdpa at 900, and you may find (i'll let you look it up, cos i couldsn't immediately see it) that in some countries more rural areas use 900 for 3g (beter range) while cities have 2100, (better building penetration) so it may be worth checking that you get 2100 in your area.
Q. can we flash Win 7 to nand ?
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only to nand.
Q. what you suggest a T-Mobile HD2 or the HTC HD2 ?
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i supose the real clincher is if you need the 900MHz to get 3g.(honestly, i dont think i'd like a tmous, i like the white keys of the regular, and i get too smoked late at night when playing with roms to feel comfortable with a phone that has an instant brick switch built in, so it'd be a regular hd2 for me, , im already 6 months into my second)
Q. what are the different-different models available for HD2, like HD2 T8585 , HD2 Leo 100 and some others.....are they any different ??
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t8585 - regular hd2
t9193 - telstra hd2, which is a regular hd2, but with different 3g frequencies, probably not what you're after.
leo 100 - htc code name for the t8585
again a big thanx man
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problem is a lot of so called new is not 100% new.
if lucky they have a few & they are old stock but unused.
If unlucky it could be handset returned after a few days with odd faults or service centre repaired units used for warranty exchange.
Chinese are experts at repackaging & tagging so you can be clueless.
Check the sellers feedback carefully: http://www.feedbackselector.com/
contact a couple of people who purchased hd2 or other similar listed phones from this seller.
I have had a few personal chats with xda members (last one was from india too) with bad eBay Hd2 experiences but most have been used Hd2s but do remember it so easy to lie & sell the sh1te you can't via standard retail via eBay at good profit level so buyer must take care.
Hope you have good purchases, best of luck
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well, since you picked that post i shall assume you are using vodaphone, , , gsm will work because the hd2 (both types) are quad band, so that handles calls, gprs, and edge, and voda india puts out hsdpa at 900 and 2100, and both regular and tmous can handle 3g on 2100, while the regular can also handle hsdpa at 900, and you may find (i'll let you look it up, cos i couldsn't immediately see it) that in some countries more rural areas use 900 for 3g (beter range) while cities have 2100, (better building penetration) so it may be worth checking that you get 2100 in your area.only to nand.i supose the real clincher is if you need the 900MHz to get 3g.(honestly, i dont think i'd like a tmous, i like the white keys of the regular, and i get too smoked late at night when playing with roms to feel comfortable with a phone that has an instant brick switch built in, so it'd be a regular hd2 for me, , im already 6 months into my second)
t8585 - regular hd2
t9193 - telstra hd2, which is a regular hd2, but with different 3g frequencies, probably not what you're after.
leo 100 - htc code name for the t8585
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see... thats how i should have posted... I'll code from now on...
thanks for help!!!
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Mister B said:
problem is a lot of so called new is not 100% new.
if lucky they have a few & they are old stock but unused.
If unlucky it could be handset returned after a few days with odd faults or service centre repaired units used for warranty exchange.
Chinese are experts at repackaging & tagging so you can be clueless.
Check the sellers feedback carefully: http://www.feedbackselector.com/
contact a couple of people who purchased hd2 or other similar listed phones from this seller.
I have had a few personal chats with xda members (last one was from india too) with bad eBay Hd2 experiences but most have been used Hd2s but do remember it so easy to lie & sell the sh1te you can't via standard retail via eBay at good profit level so buyer must take care.
Hope you have good purchases, best of luck
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There's nothing I can do know... Already bought.. Just have to play the waiting game....
thanks for telling me this website...
would be very useful from now on...
@samsamuel :
thanx man you are a life saver, is there anything i can do for you ??
BTW last set of Questions ........ any possibilities of magldr 2 release in near future ??
and is the speaker sound loud enough for ringtones ??
what do you mean by "im already 6 months into my second" and "instant brick switch built in"(i guess the second phrase is for T-Mobile, bcoz of the radio bricking problem)
i also like the white keys of regular one(so i guess i'm going to order a regular one only, but lets wait for tanush's order when his is delivered, i'll ask him about the frequencies)
can you suggest me a good seller on ebay(who sells genuine item only not refurbished ones)
thanx again
@Mister B :
i'll remember that sir , thanx
@tanush : good luck brother, do let us know when you get it
@samsamuel :
check this link for the frequencies used by Indian networks
roamtheworldcellphones.com/gsmindia[/url]
TMOUS 2G GSM is quad-band same as international:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
TMOUS 3G differs but still works on all 1900/2100 I have tried in UK,France, Germany, China, Hong Kong, Singapore.
3G Network HSDPA 1700 / 2100
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TMOUS 2G GSM is quad-band same as international:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
TMOUS 3G differs but still works on all 1900/2100 I have tried in UK,France, Germany, China, Hong Kong, Singapore.
3G Network HSDPA 1700 / 2100
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thanx but it says different here with general model >> HSDPA 900 / 2100
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3228&idPhone2=2957
Yesterday I fell prey to purchasing a T8585. Which will not work for me in 3G. I figured that out after I purchased. However I may have got the seller to stop the device from going out. He says he contacted the warehouse to stop, he hasn't emailed me again yet.
Anyway I had another thought that I haven't seen on this site before. Since the hd2 t9193 is so incredibly expensive and out of my price range, and I may have to drop this WM6/android phone obsession in general. I can't find any where that offers a price under $600. People realize what they have and that it's highly sought after. Like a late model sports car, not made anymore. Has anyone thought of this idea: That of, Taking a hot fine-point soldering iron and pulling the 900/2100 3G band chip off the board, and replacing it with another one that will work? Is it that rare of a kind of chip... not possible?
Obviously the builders do it easily.
I asked nearly the same question to 'Wayne Hardman' of Hattix and received this reply:
---The short answer is: "No".
The long answer is that on UMTS Or HSDPA the T9193 is an 850 MHz device, while the T8585 is 900/2100, but the kicker is that you need to replace the entire logic board. The T9193 is hardware locked to not use 800 or 900 MHz bands while the T8585 is locked to not use 850 MHz (some Broadcomm patent or other) and you need to replace the entire baseband to do that. Some of the baseband is in the "radio chip", but some of it is also in the QSD8250 SoC.
So what I'd do is indeed replace the entire logic board. Just pick one up from eBay which has a smashed screen or something like that. Alternatively, if you don't care much for 3G at all (why not carry around a MiFi or similar?) then both devices will work on AT&T's 2G/EDGE network."----
But I do care about 3G. To follow up on my 1st thread, I have not heard again from the seller as to whether it has been shipped or stopped, nor has the money been returned.
I was able to cancel my transaction completely, and I received a full-refund. I was fortunate. I'm now considering to give up completely on the Win 6.5. It is sad really. I cannot find any good way to live in both worlds anymore. The HD2 was a good dream. Pretty soon I will purchase a high-end Android phone with top-of-line specs under a contract.
I would love a T9193
I live in mexico an have the same problem with 3G and would love to get my hands on a T9193, 3g would work great!
Which one is for tmobile and which is for att?
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TMOUS HD2 is for t-mobile US with 1700/2100 3g
this model has 1GB flash memory, green call & red end key & plastic body extends about 1.5mm extra from bottom edge of the glass screen to incorporate the different radio hardware
T9193 is Australia Telstra model with 850/2100 3g which did work under att
T8585 is standard worldwide model with 1900/2100 3g
All models are quad-band GSM but TMOUS model has by far the best reception from my testing due to better antenna design.
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TMOUS HD2 is for t-mobile US with 1700/2100 3g
this model has 1GB flash memory, green call & red end key & plastic body extends about 1.5mm extra from bottom edge of the glass screen to incorporate the different radio hardware
T9193 is Australia Telstra model with 850/2100 3g which did work under att
T8585 is standard worldwide model with 1900/2100 3g
All models are quad-band GSM but TMOUS model has by far the best reception from my testing due to better antenna design.
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Sorry for bumping this thread, but can i just swap the logic board from mt TMOBILE HD2 into my new HTC HD2 T8585?
If USA T-Mobile with green/red call/end keys the board probably won't fit in the EU T8585 rear housing as USA T-Mobile mainboard is bit longer & casing on the USA T-Mobile differs to allow for this.
T8585 boards can go to USA T-Mobile but usb & headset socket sit short.
You best looking into it as you could use the USA T-Mobile rear cover housing too perhaps.