In a nutshell, would a Tmobile US HD2 work in the UK under the virgin network?
I've been looking at the frequency that virgin's running at and the supported list for the T9193, and I just want to confirm that it should work before I buy it.
Oh, and does the US version come with the AUO Display by any chance?
It will of course need to be unlocked/sim free and to get the hsdpa/3G connection will need to support that.
As you have done some of the homework I expect by now you'll know
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It will of course need to be unlocked/sim free and to get the hsdpa/3G connection will need to support that.
As you have done some of the homework I expect by now you'll know
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I won't need to because most of the ones I've found on sale are already unlocked, so this would work?
I've always wanted to know,,, since the tmous network uses aws, meaning it uses both it's available utms bands, 1700 and 2100, one for up, one for down, and everyone else uses one band for both, 2100 in this case, is the tmous radio hardware capable of using one band for both?
(Also, wasn't clear from your post, but you know the t9193 is the telstra model, not tmous, right?)
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(Also, wasn't clear from your post, but you know the t9193 is the telstra model, not tmous, right?)
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Actually, I didn't, I just assumed T9193 was the US version.
Hehe, lucky you didn't impulse buy then eh?
There would be no benefit in bringing a t9193 to the UK, since it is identical to the regular hd2( commonly called the t8585, but see below) with the exception of the 850/2100 bands instead of 900/2100, and a tiny amount of case branding.
The tmous appears to carry the same t8585 designation as the regular hd2, although it never seems to be referenced as such anywhere, and Googling t8585 always brings up the regular, never the tmous.
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Hehe, lucky you didn't impulse buy then eh?
There would be no benefit in bringing a t9193 to the UK, since it is identical to the regular hd2( commonly called the t8585, but see below) with the exception of the 850/2100 bands instead of 900/2100, and a tiny amount of case branding.
The tmous appears to carry the same t8585 designation as the regular hd2, although it never seems to be referenced as such anywhere, and Googling t8585 always brings up the regular, never the tmous.
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Yes, very lucky
As for why I want it, there's a lower chance of having wake up lag, and it has 1gb rom, that's all. So if possible I'd like to have this.
Again, not sure from your post which one you mean by "why I want it", though I shall assume you mean the tmous because the t9193 does NOT have 1gb rom.(as for less chance of wake-up lag,,,, hmmm, I'd take that little nugget of info with a large pinch of salt. I've been here daily for 18 months and seen absolutely NO evidence pointing to that being true, ((and indeed you are the first person I've seen saying it)))
your research now would be aimed at finding out for sure if a phone designed for aws can be used on non aws networks. I suspect it will but I for one certainly wouldn't buy until I knew for definite.
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Again, not sure from your post which one you mean by "why I want it", though I shall assume you mean the tmous because the t9193 does NOT have 1gb rom.(as for less chance of wake-up lag,,,, hmmm, I'd take that little nugget of info with a large pinch of salt. I've been here daily for 18 months and seen absolutely NO evidence pointing to that being true, ((and indeed you are the first person I've seen saying it)))
your research now would be aimed at finding out for sure if a phone designed for aws can be used on non aws networks. I suspect it will but I for one certainly wouldn't buy until I knew for definite.
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Sorry for nt being clear, but I meant the tmous, and I just think there's a better chance of it not having wake up lag, and also having an AUO display.
I got the Tmous version & have used it in UK on Vadaphone & T-Mobile, had 3G connection but didn't give it the best of tests as was only in town for a day.
I expect it will be fine as worked perfect on european networks using 2 bands (1up, 1down).
Wil be in UK next month so will test it fully.
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I got the Tmous version & have used it in UK on Vadaphone & T-Mobile, had 3G connection but didn't give it the best of tests as was only in town for a day.
I expect it will be fine as worked perfect on european networks using 2 bands (1up, 1down).
Wil be in UK next month so will test it fully.
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Ty a lot, that's all I needed, virgin is a virtual network using Tmobile, so if it works on that, then it should work fine
no problem, Tmous is the beast & the later built models have revised motherboard & new screen supplier so quality/reliability is better.
Tmob bashed HTC over high unit returns & was the only thing that pushed HTC to do a sneaky revision model.
I run mine on Energy ROM & it is superb, works great in all countries & scenarios I have encountered so far.
1200Mah battery is only real big issue as on 3g HSPDA ect it uses a lot of power compared to GSM Edge.
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no problem, Tmous is the beast & the later built models have revised motherboard & new screen supplier so quality/reliability is better.
Tmob bashed HTC over high unit returns & was the only thing that pushed HTC to do a sneaky revision model.
I run mine on Energy ROM & it is superb, works great in all countries & scenarios I have encountered so far.
1200Mah battery is only real big issue as on 3g HSPDA ect it uses a lot of power compared to GSM Edge.
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Sounds great, I'd been thinking of jumping on the dual core bandwagon, but the cost has been holding me back, and this piece of news makes me feel better.
Mister B said:
no problem, Tmous is the beast & the later built models have revised motherboard & new screen supplier so quality/reliability is better.
Tmob bashed HTC over high unit returns & was the only thing that pushed HTC to do a sneaky revision model.
I run mine on Energy ROM & it is superb, works great in all countries & scenarios I have encountered so far.
1200Mah battery is only real big issue as on 3g HSPDA ect it uses a lot of power compared to GSM Edge.
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Yeah you are right T-Mobile had a huge percentage of HD2 returns and exchanges. Heck even I myself had a replacement HD2 sent to me as my first one had gotten where it would take me up to ten resets to getcit to boot past the orange Windows screen. But most of the returns in my opinion were because people were use to iPhones and Android devices not Windows Mobile. And as we all know Windows Mobile is not for everybody, especially te stock Win Mo ROMs. I myself hated my HD2 the first month I had it as it was my first smartphone cause it would freeze up, close applications on it's own, turn off on it's own (sometimes), get stuck on boot up everytime I had to turn it off then back own, and took forever to load a web page. But when I flash the official update almost all of that cleared up except the damn sticking at bootup. Not long after I flashed the update (my very first flash ) I found XDA and my HD2 became a prized possession. I have not ever so much as seen are touched a EU HD2 and I know they are probably justcas good as a TMOUS HD2, after all Cottula's HD2 is a EU lol. But just to give you some more personal feed back. My TMOUS is great. It still agrevates me sometimes but that is only because I live in an area with crappy signal. Can not give you feed back on your question about it working where you live but I can tell you that you won't regret buying a TMOUS HD2, unless you flash the wrong radio to it lol.
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Can not give you feed back on your question about it working where you live but I can tell you that you won't regret buying a TMOUS HD2, unless you flash the wrong radio to it lol.
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I take it u mean the .51.x radios? Will prbly buy it tomorrow from ebay.
Looks like the following works fine:
Leo_Radio_2.15.50.14
Seems to be the same one I was using for my eu hd2
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I take it u mean the .51.x radios? Will prbly buy it tomorrow from ebay.
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Yeah that is what I am talking about. You can not flash a radio with a 51 in it to a TMOUS. Also you can not flash a radio with these numbers in it 2.04.50.xx or 2.05.50.xx, these where the radios used in the test TMOUS HD2 devices (HTC Pro Three) and they will kill a TMOUS just like a radio with a 51 in it. You have been warned lol.
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Yeah that is what I am talking about. You can not flash a radio with a 51 in it to a TMOUS. Also you can not flash a radio with these numbers in it 2.04.50.xx or 2.05.50.xx, these where the radios used in the test TMOUS HD2 devices (HTC Pro Three) and they will kill a TMOUS just like a radio with a 51 in it. You have been warned lol.
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You've made me start worrying even before I've bought it. :'(
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I got the Tmous version & have used it in UK on Vadaphone & T Mo
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Good to know. Makes sense that it would work, else roaming wouldn't, but nice to have it confirmed.
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You've made me start worrying even before I've bought it. :'(
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Don't sweat it man, as long as you make sure the ROM you are flashing does not have one of those radios you are cool. The custom Win Mo ROMs mostly do not have radio included in them but just to be safe I would only flash a custom ROM from the HD2 T-Mobile Windows 6.5 development forum or a custom ROM that spacificaily says it is compatible with the TMOUS. All Android and WP7 ROMs do not have radios included so they are alll cool to flash. The only real ROMs you really have to watch are the official ROMs as they have radios included. If you flash a official stock ROM only use the one you get from the T-Mobile wibsite and you are gravy.
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You've made me start worrying even before I've bought it. :'(
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Don't worry plenty of info on radios for TmoUS.
I'm currently testing radios for my device & usage. 2.12.50.02_2 is a well liked radio for most people. 2.15.50.14 was slated by a few intelligent HD2 users, haven't tested it myself yet.
This device is superb, just read the forums & post if you have concerns on flashing ect.
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Hello all,
I've started this thread to serve as a repository for information on the HTC HD2 model variant "T9193", the 850Mhz 3G-equipped version sold by Telstra in Australia. On a general level, most discussions applying to the regular HD2 are still relevant, however the T9193 has its own set of questions, hopefully answews to which can be tracked in here.
If there are any more sections of information people find useful it may be added at a later time. So let's get started-
What is it?
Model: HTC T9193
Available on the Telstra network in Australia
http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile/phones/phone_details.cfm?phone=HD2
Why should I buy this model?
If you are on a network that uses 850MHz frequency for its 3G bands (AT&T, Rogers, Telstra, etc), the HD2 T8585 will not give you full 3G reception, as this phone operates on 900MHz.
Where can I buy it?
There are a few e-tailers currently shipping the T9193. Here are the ones we have so far; if you've found it in-stock elsewhere let me know so I can add it to the list.
Australian sellers:
Telstra http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile/phones/phone_details.cfm?phone=HD2 (some members report they will only ship overseas if you call them directly)
Personal Digital http://personaldigital.com.au/p380/...NEXTG-850Mhz-AT&T-Roger-&-Telecom-NZ/buy.html (ships overseas, 1-3 day shipping available)
Mobicity http://www.mobicity.com.au/htc-hd2-next-g.html Member 'agoattamer' purchased his unit from this site, so for specific questions on their service you might contact him
North American sellers:
Negri Electronics http://www.negrielectronics.com/touch-t9193-smartphone-unlocked-p-3108.html
What's in the box?
Box contents for Telstra-branded phones are:
HD2 T9193
Leather slip case
USB cable (approx. 3')
Australian wall charger
16GB microSD card
Stereo headphones
Is the phone SIM locked?
Most users (myself included) have reported that the phone does NOT need to be SIM unlocked - any GSM SIM should work in the device.
Is the phone physically branded?
There are two very small logos on the back lower half of the phone, on the soft-touch material. The color is gray, and isn't too noticeable
Can I flash a different ROM?
Yes, however HardSPL must be applied first.
Read this thread (very carefully!).
Official ROMs from HTC are available here; click the 'shared folder' link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=577717
Can I download the original Telstra ROM?
The original stock ROM from Telstra (with all Telstra bloatware/customizations) is available here:
http://htcpedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1474
Can I flash a different Radio version?
Other users have reported flashing to other radio versions without losing 850MHz reception. Note that depending on the ROM/Radio you may lose the option for manually selecting 850MHz from the dropdown list under Phone settings.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611787
Can I customize the three Quicklinks on the Home screen without flashing a new ROM?
Yes, see this thread for a cab file that unlocks customization for the quicklinks:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5452464&postcount=1
Are there any hardware issues related to this model variant?
Pink Hue
With the T8585 there have been widespread reports of a pink hue in the center of camera images. They attempted to remediate this through a software patch, however the issue persisted if a few tweaks were applied to the camera settings, indicating this could be a hardware fault.
There have been no reports of pink hue from T9193 users yet.
White Paint on Hardware Buttons inconsistently applied, results in uneven lighting
A few users have reported having this issue
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5661628&postcount=54
How do I remove that stubborn battery cover?
Pocketnow.com has posted a video explaining an easier method for removing the very tight battery cover (that's a good thing though!) without breaking a fingernail:
http://pocketnow.com/how-to/easily-remove-the-battery-cover-on-the-htc-hd2
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Hey I have the t9193 and the camera appears to be just fine. The chassis build on this model is real tight. We won't be removing this battery cover as easily as the HD, but you also gain better fit metal cover which doesn't squeek like the plastic ones did on HD.
Actually, here's a good way to easily remove the battery - works very well for me!
http://pocketnow.com/how-to/easily-remove-the-battery-cover-on-the-htc-hd2
I have just received my T9193. My camera dosent have the pink tint either. Only problem i have is data connection occasionaly stops working and i need to reset. Hopefully we can find a solution soon. When 3g is working the data connection is pretty quick.
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I have just received my T9193. My camera dosent have the pink tint either. Only problem i have is data connection occasionaly stops working and i need to reset. Hopefully we can find a solution soon. When 3g is working the data connection is pretty quick.
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I'm actually having the very same issue. There's an open thread about this but no solution from anyone... what ROM and radio are you running? Are you still on the stock Telstra ROM? I flashed to 1.66 WWE.
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...Only problem i have is data connection occasionaly stops working and i need to reset. Hopefully we can find a solution soon. When 3g is working the data connection is pretty quick.
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+1
I have the 9193 and get this on a variety of ROMs. I am usually able to fix the data connection by terminating the data connection on the quick menu, which is quicker than a reset."
mlekas said:
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I have the 9193 and get this on a variety of ROMs. I am usually able to fix the data connection by terminating the data connection on the quick menu, which is quicker than a reset."
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+1 on your comment. I don't notice it. It actually sucks when you use this for Biz and don't notice that you have no emails.
I wish there was a fix for this. I just disable the Sense from tonight and want to see if I notice any changes in anything.
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I have just received my T9193. My camera dosent have the pink tint either. Only problem i have is data connection occasionaly stops working and i need to reset. Hopefully we can find a solution soon. When 3g is working the data connection is pretty quick.
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I have this issue, but you don't have to reset [the phone], just go to the Comm Manager and toggle "Phone" off and then back on.
Since this is the 'official' reference thread:
I have NOT had this issue. I saw it once and I'm pretty sure it was a network problem in that area - I switched to EDGE and all was well.
I typically run the latest radios/6.5.x roms, currently R2.08.50.05 w/ Artemis 3.7. I do a mtty format between flashes just to be sure I'm starting from a clean slate.
I have an exchange account that has push email enabled around the clock and I've never noticed any delivery delays.
Just a thought: iPhone users are known for being vocal complainers against the ATT network. Could there be some truth to their allegations, and you guys are just seeing it as well?
Hey looking to pick one of these up to use in new york on att. Had iphones since they came out. Will be my first wm phone. Hoping they release wm7 for the hd2 real soon . Can yoi guys tell me where you purchased yours from. Trying to gauge whag other people are paying because the 8585 are going for around 600 on ebay now
well I got mine today and have not found any issues yet camera seems fine actually very impressed data speed seems very fast.. no loss of connection but then I've only started using it
I am using the asia wwe 1.66 rom with stock telstra radio. The telstra rom had so much bloatware i couldnt stand it.
My data connection stopped working last night while i was sleeping. I woke up and received the connection error again, i was connected to my home wifi !! Toogling the airplane mode on and off does fix this, but its very annoying.
Secondly, I was an iphone user before the hd2. AT&T in western NY is pretty good, i rarely drop calls. Around my area I constantly have the big "H". MMS and SMS work well. Only problem is when the data connection quits for no reason.
Has anyone had better luck with the 2.2 rom for tmobile us?
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Hey looking to pick one of these up to use in new york on att. Had iphones since they came out. Will be my first wm phone. Hoping they release wm7 for the hd2 real soon . Can yoi guys tell me where you purchased yours from. Trying to gauge whag other people are paying because the 8585 are going for around 600 on ebay now
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See the links in the first post of this thread.
The lowest price ive seen is from Personal Digital in Australia; I paid 780 USD shipped to the US. There are some on ebay too (the T9193 specifically - just make sure you're looking at the right one!), but they are in the 900 range.
PersonalDigital is the way to go. You won't find it cheaper since everyone else is making a killer overhead on it! I saw one place in the US selling it for $1k+
After flashing a new rom I have tried to run the hotfix that fixes the sd card issue, but it tells me the hotfix is not compatible with my phone. Im guessing maybe because the hardware changes from T9193 to T8585 in the hardware info when flashing ROMS. I downloaded the U.S. hotfix because I am in the U.S.but may I need to download AU version since my T9193 obviously came from Australia?
Which ROM did you flash?
I think all of the patches ONLY apply to ROMs less than version 1.66. Starting at 1.66 the hotfixes were rolled into the ROM update.
HD2 Telstra T9193 experience (Argentina)
Hi , i'd like to report my experience with my recently received HD2 T9193 from Telstra (Australia). I am from Buenos Aires, Argentina (same 3G american bands as AT&T, UMTS 850/1900)
I guarantee that flashing custom ROMs AND various Radios available in XDA work perfectly . Even those ROMs which, being cooked with original HD2 packages, display '1900/2100' UMTS bands, in Comm Manager, when you lock to 'only WCDMA', it uses actual hardware UMTS bands, hard-coded on chip.
Also, i don't suffer from any noticeable issue up to know, either aesthetically on the phone, or on hardware (like the so mentioned 'pink' in camera, data connection crashes, etc).
Phone just feels flawless, identical to original HD2, but with american 3G UMTS bands....
And BTW 3G speeds are incredibly good, but probably what surprised me the most, are the blazingly fast EDGE speeds! by far the speedest edge phone i put my hands on... really makes a difference...
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Which ROM did you flash?
I think all of the patches ONLY apply to ROMs less than version 1.66. Starting at 1.66 the hotfixes were rolled into the ROM update.
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I was also thinking that but being that my sd card has displayed the same number of capacity since day one means that It hasnt been applied. So im looking for an answer that could help me get this solved because its quite annoying. I have read and heard that it mostly applies to 8gb and 16gb and Im using the 16gb from Telstra
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Has anyone had better luck with the 2.2 rom for tmobile us?
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I would like to hear if any T9193 users have tried the Tmo US roms? Does anyone know if those ROMs include a radio, and how that radio works with the T9193?
How many different models are out? How to identify which i have? Whats the hottest rom out? Im coming from a Touch Pro from alltel to T-Mobile, any heads up is much appreciated....
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How many different models are out? How to identify which i have? Whats the hottest rom out? Im coming from a Touch Pro from alltel to T-Mobile, any heads up is much appreciated....
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if the send key is green, you have a tmous.
If it came from tmous, then its a tmous
If you have it working with 3g on tmo usa then it can ONLY be a tmous.
and there's only two models...the tmo us, and the euro version (less memory and a slight bit shorter than the tmo model...plus crucial differences in ROM compatibility).
The thread linked below is where you should really start....go through it at length, check out all the links. After you've done that, then make a list of questions you still haven't seen answers to, and come back and post any that are left
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=663845
I'm a huge fan of Kumars 2.0 rom. Its excellent, super stable, and very fast. Plus he's working on new builds based off of the 2.13
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and there's only two models...the tmo us, and the euro version (less memory and a slight bit shorter than the tmo model...plus crucial differences in ROM compatibility).
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Three actually. We can't forget the T9193 Telstra edition, which is identical to the European T8585 except for NextG branding and 850/2100MHz HSDPA.
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Three actually. We can't forget the T9193 Telstra edition, which is identical to the European T8585 except for NextG branding and 850/2100MHz HSDPA.
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That is correct....we can't, but I often do anyway
Can you post your stock ROM version? is it 2.10 or 2.13?
2.10 was the original rom 2.13 is the updated version released on 5/13.
Currently using TP2/Tilt 2 and just got an itch to try an on-screen keyboard with a larger screen so I bought a Telstra branded HD2 T9193. Been on the TP2 board for a while.
Anticipating its arrival I will begin perusing the threads here to find the most efficient ways to make it work as desired on the ATT network here in So. Fla. I have already subscribed to a few threads but if anyone has specific suggestions feel welcome to post them or PM me.
Ultimately, I'll run the Android 2.2 side by side on the WinMo.
David
as far as roms, radios, tweaks, apps, reg edits etc etc, anything that applies to regular hd2 applies to telstra, with the exception of HSPL. You can't use hspl2, only hspl1 (probably requires finding an old telstra rom and flashing from sd card) or hspl3.
So, don't worry about the tmous talk about the wrong radio killing your phone, it doesn't apply to you.
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....So, don't worry about the tmous talk about the wrong radio killing your phone, it doesn't apply to you.
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LOL. Good to know. I have faith in myself but I am just as able to screw something up as anyone else!
I´ll really love to have one of those (i have T-Mobile´s version), my provider runs his 3G network on the 850, so T-Mo is no good for that, and if i buy one from Telstra the price goes up to 200% of what i have paid for mine ($460-ish US dollars), good luck with your phone.
SLDS.
OK I have done some searching around on this topic and I'm finding a lot of mixed information. I'm currently on the Rogers network here in Canada and I managed to get my hands on an HD2 for next to nothing. So I jumped on the chance to have a "boot whatever the heck you want phone". However, while initially researching the phone I only quickly looked over the supported frequencies for the phone to ensure that I could use in on Rogers. Of course it will work as a phone just fine, however, it will not support 3g....apparently.
Started searching about for a way to change the phones frequency and some are saying it is possible to flash another radio for say the European version and some are saying that's not possible. I'm inclined to think it is not possible and that it is a hardware limitation. I figure that this is the best place to look for some real answers. Anyone have some insight into this matter? Oh and if it is a hardware issue and it can be changed....I'm not afraid to take the whole phone apart to try it. Ive done my share of tear downs on other phones....just for the heck of it.
Thanks in advance
only the telstra model will give you 3g on rogers.
hardware, and not changeable
yes you can change the radio (if youhave a tmous ((t mobile us)) then you need to be REAL careful which radio you flash) but changing radio has no effect on the bands.
this forum is for the regular hd2, the tmous (if that's what you have) can be found here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=631
If you have the T-Mobile US version then you can use it on Wind Mobile here in Canada. This is what I'm doing and everything works great, including the 3g. I've loaded Android on it and I absolutely love my HD2!
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
I actually bought a Telstra (Montreal Fido user) because we don't have Wind here... Telstra works great. Got it off ebay from a nice aussie fellow. I wanted the Tmous one for the extra ROM space, but hey... As long as Android runs on it, I'm more than happy!
Welcome to the HD2 community.
hello guys,
i want to clear some of my issues here, so guys please help me out (and please don't suggest me to buy a new phone as i don't like WM7 nor android nor iOS but i like windows 6.5 and wants to test some things on this phone only)
so i have done my homework(just a bit) and checked this comparison between both of them and found only a few things are different, here they are
gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3228&idPhone2=2957
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HTML:
T-Mobile HD2 HTC HD2
1. 3G Network : HSDPA 1700 / 2100 HSDPA 900 / 2100
HSDPA 850 / 2100 - Australian Version
2. Dimensions : 122 x 67 x 11 mm 120.5 x 67 x 11 mm
3. Memory(Internal) : 576 MB RAM, 1 GB ROM 448 MB RAM, 512 MB ROM
4. WLAN : Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g, Wi-Fi router
1. i want to use this phone in India so does the point no. 1 concerns me ???
2. i don't care about this difference
3. this is the major thing what i want to know , tell me everything that what differences does 512MB ROM can make.
4. i think that's just a typo error and HTC HD2 also have Wi-Fi router, if i'm wrong please tell me what does it do.
+ one more thing i want to know is how loud is the speaker sound is(for ringtones) in comparison to HTC Touch Diamond(i already got this one).
i have heard that radio version of T-Mobile HD2 is something weird , so it doesn't support most of the ROM's and people can brick this easily(accidently).
Note : i want to check Android OS's , WM7 OS and ubuntu too , so keeping that in mind and suggest me that if T-Mobile with 576 MB RAM, 1 GB ROM is better or the other one .
Thanx for reading this
The only difference is ROM, 1GB in TMOUS and 512MB in international version.
Radio bricks? You can cause them only if you install wrong Windows Mobile ROM or very old radio. If you want to stick to Android and WP7, there's nothing you should worry about.
1 pretty sure most networks in India use the 2100 so should be fine. If you intend to do any travelling though, the regular will have a bit more roaming compatibility.
3 with the correct rom radio and spl combination the regular hd2 also has 576m ram, and besides, 448 is usually plenty. Check the Artemis winmo6.5 rom, it doesn't use the extra ram and doesn't suffer for it.
That just leaves the double internal rom. If/when magldr 2 gets released, you'll be able to have multiple OS's in nand, in which case the extra 512meg will be really useful, but for now, with android using a2sd to simulate internal memory on the SD its not a big difference.
The big difference as you noted (incorrect reasoning, but it does lead to a brick) is the radio.
Regular can use any radio, but must use a T-Mobile (tmous) radio if you want to unlock the extra ram or use android/wp7/magldr.
Radios are told apart by the code,,,
x.xx.50 are tmous,
x.xx.51 for regular, however since the later regular roms started shipping with 50 radios too, most people just set something like 2.15.50 and forget about it.
It boils down to "never flash a regular hd2 stock rom to a tmous, its radio will brick it.
most important thing is buying a good device & not really so important in terms of TMOUS or International.
1GB ROM is nice on the TMOUS but a good working device preferably new & not from eBay & the likes is the main thing of concern.
TMOUS 3G band issues is not a great concern & I have used mine in many countries on 3G with no issues yet.
Just go with the best & newest you can get hold of.
thanx for the fast replies guys
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@Spaqin :::
so you mean if i install a false ROM of 6.5 only than there are chances of getting the device bricked but i try Android(ICSW) and WP7 its safe ??
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@samsamuel :::
if 2100 works in India i'll be fine than(no plans for travelling in near future), BTW what exactly is magldr 2 ? and is that extra 512MB ROM makes any difference in interface speed of WP7 or Android(if we install them)
what if install a false radio and get bricked.....is that mean we will be stuck on a black screen for ever and no coming back to official ROM ??
what is a nand ?
i gurss you haven't check the 4th point of WLAN and what about loudness of speaker in comparison to touch diamond ?
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@Mister B :::
thanx for the suggestion dear but i really don't want to buy a newest model, and why not to buy it from ebay ?
and i really don't have a plan to travel in near future , so no need to worry about the band issues
buy hd2 new if possible not a newest model.
ebay is full of defect devices, it is quite a risk.
I have tested hd2 tmous in many countries over last 2years & 1700/2100 3g bands have been no issue for me ...
@Mister B ::::
well as i live in INDIA and here i couldn't find a box pack model so gonna get it from ebay.com only coz amazon don't ship to india.........BTW planning to buy a brand new but used one's are also available here on Indian ebay.in
Question . : even the brand new phone have defects from ebay ?? is that a personal experience ?
amitkool21 said:
@samsamuel :::
if 2100 works in India i'll be fine than(no plans for travelling in near future), BTW what exactly is magldr 2 ?
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magldr is a custom bootloader used to load wp7/android.
and is that extra 512MB ROM makes any difference in interface speed of WP7 or Android(if we install them)
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it may help to have the whole rom on the same memory chip, but in general i doubt it. so long as the sd card is a decent one, and the rom you install is working right (not an alpha/beta) then you shouldn't see any difference.
what if install a false radio and get bricked.....is that mean we will be stuck on a black screen for ever and no coming back to official ROM ??
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JTAG will fix it. (dont ask, look it up if you wanna know what it is)
what is a nand ?
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the internal memory chip, the read only memory, , the internal storage chip, it is 'nand' flash memory, hence we call it 'nand' or 'the nand' as in ' im dual booting wp7 from the nand, gingerbread android from sd'
i gurss you haven't check the 4th point of WLAN
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didnt bother reading that far, , , there are no differences in wifi.
and what about loudness of speaker in comparison to touch diamond ?
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couldnt say. what i CAN say is its very dependant on what you are running, most winmo roms are fine, i think i remember hearing that wp7 was a bit loud, and i find android just a little quiet.
@samsamuel : thanx for all these detailed answers man......
some few more questions here(sorry)
check this thread ::: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1786261
Q. does that mean i can't use this device in India ?
Q. can we flash Win 7 to nand ?
Q. what you suggest a T-Mobile HD2 or the HTC HD2 ?
Q. any site with internationl shipping(and what maximum price you suggest) ?
Q. what are the different-different models available for HD2, like HD2 T8585 , HD2 Leo 100 and some others.....are they any different ??
again a big thanx man
Mister B said:
buy hd2 new if possible not a newest model.
ebay is full of defect devices, it is quite a risk.
I have tested hd2 tmous in many countries over last 2years & 1700/2100 3g bands have been no issue for me ...
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even i would like to know the same thing as i have just bought this phone from ebay.com.
He is saying its WP6.5 stock and sealed and all.
what possible defect are you talking about ?
amitkool21 said:
@samsamuel : thanx for all these detailed answers man......
some few more questions here(sorry)
check this thread ::: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1786261
Q. does that mean i can't use this device in India ?
you can use this device in india
Q. can we flash Win 7 to nand ?
we can flash win7 only to nand. android is installed in SD
Q. what you suggest a T-Mobile HD2 or the HTC HD2 ?
its same. because NAND is just a ROM, where win 7 will be installed. As stated unless MGLDR 2 doesn't come out and you want to install both OS in NAND. it makes no difference.
Q. any site with internationl shipping(and what maximum price you suggest) ?
i bought from ebay. waiting for it to get delivered.
Q. what are the different-different models available for HD2, like HD2 T8585 , HD2 Leo 100 and some others.....are they any different ??
HD2 T8585 is HD2 Leo which is HTC HD2. Its mentioned here:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd2-2957.php
First line
again a big thanx man
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tanush said:
even i would like to know the same thing as i have just bought this phone from ebay.com.
He is saying its WP6.5 stock and sealed and all.
what possible defect are you talking about ?
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@tanush : where you from(state) and have you bought it from ebay.com or ebay.in and a T-Mobile or a International Model ???
tanush said:
even i would like to know the same thing as i have just bought this phone from ebay.com.
He is saying its WP6.5 stock and sealed and all.
what possible defect are you talking about ?
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and can you please provide me the link of ebay listing.........???
amitkool21 said:
@samsamuel : thanx for all these detailed answers man......
some few more questions here(sorry)
check this thread ::: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1786261
Q. does that mean i can't use this device in India ?
Q. can we flash Win 7 to nand ?
Q. what you suggest a T-Mobile HD2 or the HTC HD2 ?
Q. any site with internationl shipping(and what maximum price you suggest) ?
Q. what are the different-different models available for HD2, like HD2 T8585 , HD2 Leo 100 and some others.....are they any different ??
again a big thanx man
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and can you please provide me the link of ebay listing.........???
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ebay.com bro.. no listing in ebay.in
PMed you the link!
amitkool21 said:
@samsamuel : thanx for all these detailed answers man......
some few more questions here(sorry)
check this thread ::: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1786261
Q. does that mean i can't use this device in India ?
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well, since you picked that post i shall assume you are using vodaphone, , , gsm will work because the hd2 (both types) are quad band, so that handles calls, gprs, and edge, and voda india puts out hsdpa at 900 and 2100, and both regular and tmous can handle 3g on 2100, while the regular can also handle hsdpa at 900, and you may find (i'll let you look it up, cos i couldsn't immediately see it) that in some countries more rural areas use 900 for 3g (beter range) while cities have 2100, (better building penetration) so it may be worth checking that you get 2100 in your area.
Q. can we flash Win 7 to nand ?
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only to nand.
Q. what you suggest a T-Mobile HD2 or the HTC HD2 ?
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i supose the real clincher is if you need the 900MHz to get 3g.(honestly, i dont think i'd like a tmous, i like the white keys of the regular, and i get too smoked late at night when playing with roms to feel comfortable with a phone that has an instant brick switch built in, so it'd be a regular hd2 for me, , im already 6 months into my second)
Q. what are the different-different models available for HD2, like HD2 T8585 , HD2 Leo 100 and some others.....are they any different ??
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t8585 - regular hd2
t9193 - telstra hd2, which is a regular hd2, but with different 3g frequencies, probably not what you're after.
leo 100 - htc code name for the t8585
again a big thanx man
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problem is a lot of so called new is not 100% new.
if lucky they have a few & they are old stock but unused.
If unlucky it could be handset returned after a few days with odd faults or service centre repaired units used for warranty exchange.
Chinese are experts at repackaging & tagging so you can be clueless.
Check the sellers feedback carefully: http://www.feedbackselector.com/
contact a couple of people who purchased hd2 or other similar listed phones from this seller.
I have had a few personal chats with xda members (last one was from india too) with bad eBay Hd2 experiences but most have been used Hd2s but do remember it so easy to lie & sell the sh1te you can't via standard retail via eBay at good profit level so buyer must take care.
Hope you have good purchases, best of luck
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well, since you picked that post i shall assume you are using vodaphone, , , gsm will work because the hd2 (both types) are quad band, so that handles calls, gprs, and edge, and voda india puts out hsdpa at 900 and 2100, and both regular and tmous can handle 3g on 2100, while the regular can also handle hsdpa at 900, and you may find (i'll let you look it up, cos i couldsn't immediately see it) that in some countries more rural areas use 900 for 3g (beter range) while cities have 2100, (better building penetration) so it may be worth checking that you get 2100 in your area.only to nand.i supose the real clincher is if you need the 900MHz to get 3g.(honestly, i dont think i'd like a tmous, i like the white keys of the regular, and i get too smoked late at night when playing with roms to feel comfortable with a phone that has an instant brick switch built in, so it'd be a regular hd2 for me, , im already 6 months into my second)
t8585 - regular hd2
t9193 - telstra hd2, which is a regular hd2, but with different 3g frequencies, probably not what you're after.
leo 100 - htc code name for the t8585
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see... thats how i should have posted... I'll code from now on...
thanks for help!!!
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Mister B said:
problem is a lot of so called new is not 100% new.
if lucky they have a few & they are old stock but unused.
If unlucky it could be handset returned after a few days with odd faults or service centre repaired units used for warranty exchange.
Chinese are experts at repackaging & tagging so you can be clueless.
Check the sellers feedback carefully: http://www.feedbackselector.com/
contact a couple of people who purchased hd2 or other similar listed phones from this seller.
I have had a few personal chats with xda members (last one was from india too) with bad eBay Hd2 experiences but most have been used Hd2s but do remember it so easy to lie & sell the sh1te you can't via standard retail via eBay at good profit level so buyer must take care.
Hope you have good purchases, best of luck
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There's nothing I can do know... Already bought.. Just have to play the waiting game....
thanks for telling me this website...
would be very useful from now on...
@samsamuel :
thanx man you are a life saver, is there anything i can do for you ??
BTW last set of Questions ........ any possibilities of magldr 2 release in near future ??
and is the speaker sound loud enough for ringtones ??
what do you mean by "im already 6 months into my second" and "instant brick switch built in"(i guess the second phrase is for T-Mobile, bcoz of the radio bricking problem)
i also like the white keys of regular one(so i guess i'm going to order a regular one only, but lets wait for tanush's order when his is delivered, i'll ask him about the frequencies)
can you suggest me a good seller on ebay(who sells genuine item only not refurbished ones)
thanx again
@Mister B :
i'll remember that sir , thanx
@tanush : good luck brother, do let us know when you get it
@samsamuel :
check this link for the frequencies used by Indian networks
roamtheworldcellphones.com/gsmindia[/url]
TMOUS 2G GSM is quad-band same as international:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
TMOUS 3G differs but still works on all 1900/2100 I have tried in UK,France, Germany, China, Hong Kong, Singapore.
3G Network HSDPA 1700 / 2100
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TMOUS 2G GSM is quad-band same as international:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
TMOUS 3G differs but still works on all 1900/2100 I have tried in UK,France, Germany, China, Hong Kong, Singapore.
3G Network HSDPA 1700 / 2100
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thanx but it says different here with general model >> HSDPA 900 / 2100
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3228&idPhone2=2957