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Latest and greatest for atrix?

My phone has been half broken for the better part of 3 months because i partitioned the internal sd and lost half my touch screen and the buttons on the bottom of the phone. So i got it fixed thanks to kermit and bongd and now im on 4.1.5.7 and I didn't do the newer update yet. My question is now what's the latest and greatest for the atrix as far as roms go. I used gingerblur in the past but its been 3 months so im wondering what you guys are using now
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moto 2.3.4

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lsxrx7 said:
moto 2.3.4
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Start here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1142674

I just can't see losing the warranty on my phone..

They never said it would. Just that it MAY.

ChumleyEX said:
I just can't see losing the warranty on my phone..
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Lol, sux to be you then.
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Can always go stock if u need to have the phone fixed through moto. I thought I read that the leaked 2.3.4 wasn't necessarily made for atrix and alot of things didn't work fully? And thanks for the info
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4.1.83 is the last official build for att, has been out for awhile and is very stable, no reason not to go to that.
Soon the 2.3.4 update will be out officially, tell then we can just wait.
and the same players are pretty much the same, higher version numbers but gingerblur, grayblur, gladiatrix are still the favorites.

My thoughts on warranty are that unless its obvious that its been tampered with (specifically that it says unlocked when first powered on), then warranty would not be an issue. All reports ive seen say that when flashing back to a stock 1.8.3 sbf, that unlocked disappears, even though the bootloader may still be partially unlocked. On top of that, in most cases, if the phone is damaged beyond the ability to repair with a sbf flash, its probably not going to be functional enough for the unlocked status of the bootloader to be determined in the first place. there is always a chance, but imo its very minimal.
In regards to "whats best" 1.8.3 with gingerblur imo is the best option if you arent willing to do some tweaking and play with the unlocked bootloader and 2.3.4. If you are however, then unlocked, rooted, 2.3.4 is the shiznit.

Conversation is winding up on the Motorola forums, and one of the forum managers, Mark, has indicated a survey will go out very soon, (soon being in the next few days), for soak testing the 2.3 update.
Looks like they may aim for very early July, if not end of this week, to start pushing out soak test beta updates.

pyro254750 said:
My thoughts on warranty are that unless its obvious that its been tampered with (specifically that it says unlocked when first powered on), then warranty would not be an issue. All reports ive seen say that when flashing back to a stock 1.8.3 sbf, that unlocked disappears, even though the bootloader may still be partially unlocked. On top of that, in most cases, if the phone is damaged beyond the ability to repair with a sbf flash, its probably not going to be functional enough for the unlocked status of the bootloader to be determined in the first place. there is always a chance, but imo its very minimal.
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Unlock does disappear when you flash back, but where do you think all the refurb phones come from?
They go back to Moto, who run diagnostic software and tools to determine what, if anything, needs to be repaired before they send the phones back out as refurbs. They will see right away it is unlocked, and if it voids your warranty, expect a bill from them, or your carrier, after the fact. This happened to an ex of mine a couple of years ago where she was billed the full value of the replacement phone by AT&T after they found she had messed with the one she sent back. That was a Moto phone also.
Sure, if you run over your phone with your car you will be ok, but what if it's something simple like the screen goes out, power button stops working, etc.?
If people are worried about voiding their warranties, they have every right to not risk their warranties, and also to not listen to stupid advice telling them they, (Moto, AT&T, whoever), will probably never know!

CaelanT said:
Unlock does disappear when you flash back, but where do you think all the refurb phones come from?
They go back to Moto, who run diagnostic software and tools to determine what, if anything, needs to be repaired before they send the phones back out as refurbs. They will see right away it is unlocked, and if it voids your warranty, expect a bill from them, or your carrier, after the fact. This happened to an ex of mine a couple of years ago where she was billed the full value of the replacement phone by AT&T after they found she had messed with the one she sent back. That was a Moto phone also.
Sure, if you run over your phone with your car you will be ok, but what if it's something simple like the screen goes out, power button stops working, etc.?
If people are worried about voiding their warranties, they have every right to not risk their warranties, and also to not listen to stupid advice telling them they, (Moto, AT&T, whoever), will probably never know!
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As i stated in my post, that was just my opinion, i never deemed it to be fact. Id also like to add, that i was referring to att tech support, and replacement being done under att insurance, NOT motorola direct.

pyro254750 said:
As i stated in my post, that was just my opinion, i never deemed it to be fact. Id also like to add, that i was referring to att tech support, and replacement being done under att insurance, NOT motorola direct.
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Yup, and AT&T doesn't just junk them. They return them for evaluation/repair. Doesn't matter if your replacement is through insurance. They still repair and sell as refurbs if possible.

ceo.mtcl said:
Lol, sux to be you then.
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How so, I love my phone? I won't suffer in the least from whatever I'm not doing.. lol
I don't have to have the latest and greatest hack or mod that's going around so that I can impress people.. My phone does everything I've needed of it so far (with rooting) and saving whatever money I can if it breaks within the warranty period is a no brainer.. Yes maybe it could look cooler or run just a tiny bit faster (I also can wait for the official at&t update for some of that) but nothing looks cooler than a working phone and $400 in my pocket..

CaelanT said:
Yup, and AT&T doesn't just junk them. They return them for evaluation/repair. Doesn't matter if your replacement is through insurance. They still repair and sell as refurbs if possible.
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im sure they do. My opinion is based on my experiences with insurance in the past, specifically a phone that was returned due to water damage, but the water sensors did not trip (clearly damage that voids warranty), and yet it was replaced and i never heard anything from HTC or att regarding the water damage. It was inspected by a low level tech support representative to determine it could be replaced under warranty, the inspection consisted of removing the back panel and checking the water markers and determining the phone wouldnt power on. a more thorough investigation by htc would have revealed water damage, so either they did not inspect it, but rather just junked it, or they did not pursue reimbursement for the phone once they determined it was not warrantable. two different comanies, two different problems, but same concept. Just because its not warrantable, doesnt mean it wont be replaced under warranty. I would never suggest someone rely on this happening of course, just pointing out that it DOES happen.

Warranty claims are handled by the carrier. If the phone is deemed to be abused/damaged/hacked during the replacement process, you will be billed for the replacement handset's cost. If they don't find the cause during this process, the phone is grouped according to the level of damage and sent off to be refurbished/parted out/recycled, and you are in the clear.
The insurance process is handled by a third party, and covers pretty much ANYTHING that you could do to your phone. They don't care what you've done to it, because by that time you've already paid for the refurbished replacement via your monthly fee & deductible.
That being said.. I'm not encouraging anyone to commit fraud, nor do I guarantee results, but I work in the industry and have a lot of experience with thes issues. IMO, if you're trying to get a warranty replacement for your bricked phone, you're abusing the system. You knew what you were getting into when you started flashing/hacking/modding, and therefore the problem is clearly not a 'manufacturer's defect', which is what warranties cover.
Insurance on the other hand, is there to cover anything. If you're allowed to plunge your phone into the toilet, or toss it out of a moving vehicle, and still get a replacement, then flashing & bricking are certainly deserving of coverage as well. I have a feeling with all these manufacturers releasing unlocked bootloaders we'll see some more fine print added to our policies in the near future.
Just my experience & 2 cents. Personally i'm waiting for the official GB att release, because at least then when I unlock my phone I'll be doing it with the blessing (and testing) of the manufacturer, and therefore much less likely to screw myself with an incompatible version of GB

zoso28 said:
Personally i'm waiting for the official GB att release, because at least then when I unlock my phone I'll be doing it with the blessing (and testing) of the manufacturer, and therefore much less likely to screw myself with an incompatible version of GB
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Not to mention the 30+ threads at the moment with people complaining about problems with their Hong Kong 2.3.4 build, and looking for solutions!

CaelanT said:
Not to mention the 30+ threads at the moment with people complaining about problems with their Hong Kong 2.3.4 build, and looking for solutions!
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Exactly!! I'm just beginning to learn about android development and definitely not ready for such an experimental build. It amazes me how many people are willing to mess with their ROMs without knowing what they're doing. I'm taking the time to read everything I can find on here before I start experimenting with adb/rsd/fastboot/etc.. Hopefully i'll be ready to go when the official build is released.

zoso28 said:
Exactly!! I'm just beginning to learn about android development and definitely not ready for such an experimental build. It amazes me how many people are willing to mess with their ROMs without knowing what they're doing. I'm taking the time to read everything I can find on here before I start experimenting with adb/rsd/fastboot/etc.. Hopefully i'll be ready to go when the official build is released.
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One can always flash back to 4.1.8.3. Are you willing to mess with CWM on Froyo?

[Q] - KNOX - We buy a phone but we dont own it (almost).

What is the KNOX?
To understand we must read this:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/mobile/solution/security/samsung-knox
And this:
https://www.samsungknox.com/overview/technical-details
"The Galaxy Note 3 already supports KNOX by default"
I really dont get it...you buy a phone but you dont own it (almost)? See HERE a opinion by a member.
This Thread also is important: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447832
And You, will buy a Galaxy Note 3?

ValenteL said:
What is the KNOX?
To understand we must read this:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/mobile/solution/security/samsung-knox
And this:
https://www.samsungknox.com/overview/technical-details
"The Galaxy Note 3 already supports KNOX by default"
I really dont get it...you buy a phone but you d'ont own it (almost)? See HERE a opinion by a member.
This Thread also is important: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447832
And You, will buy a Galaxy Note 3?
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Probably the main reason behind not to decide yet to buy it. For me is a BIG ISSUE. I have always rooted my phone, and have installed many ROMS, for me, is a MUST. I am buying a hardware not a software.

95% of mobile device owners don't even know what a bootloader is and could care less. Almost 100% of companies with BYOD policies don't let rooted and unlocked phones on their networks whether or not they have Knox.
You're also confusing Knox for consumers and Knox for business. On the consumer side activating Knox is totally optional and when left unactivated makes the N3 just like all Samsung's previous devices. There are real benefits of Knox to people that don't care about bootloaders being locked. You can prevent the phone from being wiped if it's lost and stolen and can hide sensitive files you don't want people to see in a seperate container on your phone.
Here's the overview of how Knox works for consumers...
https://www.samsungknox.com/knox-consumer
For XDA Knox stands to bring with it some real negatives. Including a new warranty status method that can't be reset. So the 5% of people that want to unlock their bootloader and flash non-stock s/w without affecting their warranty have a right to be pissed about Knox. But the 95% that don't care and corporate IT departments with BYOD will be thrilled with it.

BarryH_GEG said:
95% of mobile device owners don't even know what a bootloader is and could care less. Almost 100% of companies with BYOD policies don't let rooted and unlocked phones on their networks whether or not they have Knox.
You're also confusing Knox for consumers and Knox for business. On the consumer side activating Knox is totally optional and when left unactivated makes the N3 just like all Samsung's previous devices. There are real benefits of Knox to people that don't care about bootloaders being locked. You can prevent the phone from being wiped if it's lost and stolen and can hide sensitive files you don't want people to see in a seperate container on your phone.
Here's the overview of how Knox works for consumers...
https://www.samsungknox.com/knox-consumer
For XDA Knox stands to bring with it some real negatives. Including a new warranty status method that can't be reset. So the 5% of people that want to unlock their bootloader and flash non-stock s/w without affecting their warranty have a right to be pissed about Knox. But the 95% that don't care and corporate IT departments with BYOD will be thrilled with it.
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In the end, if we are talking only about the loss of the guarantee, it is a fair fee for changing the characteristics of the instrument. After all, no one is saying that the manufacturer refuses to fully service the smartphone - for your money every whim. It's time to learn how to make decisions and to take responsibility ...

Finding about this issue has just knocked the N3 from the top of my upgrade choices. Not happy at all.

Looks almost like a kicked up refreshed version of hboot on HTC devices. Anybody else get that feel?
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Was unaware of this.... Wow... idk... I pre-ordered and have been stoked for months... I'm hurting inside.

You guys are mis-understanding what Samsung Knox is.
I'll let Apple explain it
http://www.apple.com/iphone/business/it-center/deployment-mdm.html

We'll see about that. Judging from what I've read on the S4 forum, it looks like you're buying a device without a warranty.
(If you have no intention to root or mod your Note 3, what are you doing reading on this forum?)
Or to paraphrase the Google search page, are you feeling lucky?
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designgears said:
You guys are mis-understanding what Samsung Knox is.
I'll let Apple explain it
http://www.apple.com/iphone/business/it-center/deployment-mdm.html
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Well, why not? I see. This is what will make the device according to the personal. At once and for all ...

Rooting voids the warranty. Anyone in there position wouldn't care about the 5% who void their warranty then try to get around it and still have it covered.
So it's harder to scam a company into covering it under warranty? Oh well... we all full well now we are voiding our warranty every time we root.

Dumbo53 said:
We'll see about that. Judging from what I've read on the S4 forum, it looks like you're buying a device without a warranty.
(If you have no intention to root or mod your Note 3, what are you doing reading on this forum?)
Or to paraphrase the Google search page, are you feeling lucky?
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The Samsung has no obligation to xda. And we have a choice - to lose warranty or shake for it. The validity of that to pay for everything. And the phrase "I do buy the hardware and not a soft" - fundamental error ..

clninja said:
Rooting voids the warranty. Anyone in there position wouldn't care about the 5% who void their warranty then try to get around it and still have it covered.
So it's harder to scam a company into covering it under warranty? Oh well... we all full well now we are voiding our warranty every time we root.
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Yes and no. Pretty much all of Samsung's devices have had some form of flash counter in them. Plenty of people who root their devices and don't use Triangle Away have returned the phone for service, and Samsung fixed it anyway. I recall one guy saying has flash counter on his Note 2 was over 100 and they still fixed it without blinking an eye.
The legal side is questionable too - Samsung can put any clauses they want in their warranty agreement, but even if you were to agree to them in writing they wouldn't necessarily be enforceable. I don't know if anyone has ever had reason to test it, but if they refused service on my device I'd be expecting them to be able to justify with reasonable certainty that the fault was caused (at least indirectly) by running non-standard software on the device. I suspect if this were tested in court they would have a hard time enforcing it. In reality the non-rooting clause cannot render the device void of all warranty, but if the software needs to be reinstalled by them because of a faulty flash or to rectify a problem caused by rooting, they can still charge you for that.
Same way Dell can't void the warranty on my laptop if I load Linux on it........
* This is based on the terms of statutory warranty in the country of purchase. So in some jurisdictions the vendor has more freedom to add limitations.

So it's going to be impossible/hard to root this phone with the KNOX security? Is it going to be totally impossible to do it?
I am totally addicted to ROOTING my phone and installing Custom ROMs s this is going to be a deal breaker for me if it's not possible.

Quasar83 said:
So it's going to be impossible/hard to root this phone with the KNOX security? Is it going to be totally impossible to do it?
I am totally addicted to ROOTING my phone and installing Custom ROMs s this is going to be a deal breaker for me if it's not possible.
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You can still do it nothing is stopping you, you just void warranty
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In the end, if we are talking only about the loss of the guarantee, it is a fair fee for changing the characteristics of the instrument. After all, no one is saying that the manufacturer refuses to fully service the smartphone - for your money every whim. It's time to learn how to make decisions and to take responsibility ...
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Well said Sir :good:
Rocheau said:
I am buying a hardware not a software.
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well if you want to buy a phone without software I wish you luck

Xalies said:
You can still do it nothing is stopping you, you just void warranty
Well said Sir :good:
well if you want to buy a phone without software I wish you luck
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Do not need the bloatware offered by Samsung. Cynogenmod 10.2 is just fine for me.

Xalies said:
You can still do it nothing is stopping you, you just void warranty
Well said Sir :good:
well if you want to buy a phone without software I wish you luck
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Thank God! I don't care if I void my warranty add long as I can install custom ROMs
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Does anyone else sense de ja vu here when the note 1/2 first came out....we had no way at first to reset the flash counter
Regardless if KNOX is "different", i blindly have much faith in our awesome developers to eventually be able to do something about it by the time i would need warranty

lmike6453 said:
Does anyone else sense de ja vu here when the note 1/2 first came out....we had no way at first to reset the flash counter
Regardless if KNOX is "different", i blindly have much faith in our awesome developers to eventually be able to do something about it by the time i would need warranty
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You do not understand the basic. This technology Samsung KNOX ® has one goal - to tie the device to one particular user. That is, the device will not be a secondary market, as the user can not be removed. This means that the whole story is not vulnerable device, basically ...
p.s. I think that's why this technology has been approved by the Ministry of Defense USA. Or maybe I just being paranoid ...

In the EU rooting does not void warranty. I work at an official samsung cervice centre and we must fix softbricked phones at no cost since the updated licence.
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801

got my new s4 today and I dont even want to use it :(

I got my S4 today, rushed home to open the package really excited to come straight onto xda and root it, as I need to run arliberator app in my car and also titanium backup to get all my data over from my old galaxy.
Now I see that i cannot root it because of Knox and that even though it is unlocked after kkitkat I wont be able to use my foreign sims when i am abroad which i always do as roaming costs are extortionate!
well my S4 has sat here all day switched off and I don't even want to switch it on, its a useless brick as far as i'm concerned i am hugely disapointed and really wish I had bought the Z1 or even the old xperia z instead of this SamDung

maybe you are one of the lucky ones with an old boot loader .if your firmware is older than mgg like ending with mga you can root without voiding your warranty .

iamflamez said:
I got my S4 today, rushed home to open the package really excited to come straight onto xda and root it, as I need to run arliberator app in my car and also titanium backup to get all my data over from my old galaxy.
Now I see that i cannot root it because of Knox and that even though it is unlocked after kkitkat I wont be able to use my foreign sims when i am abroad which i always do as roaming costs are extortionate!
well my S4 has sat here all day switched off and I don't even want to switch it on, its a useless brick as far as i'm concerned i am hugely disapointed and really wish I had bought the Z1 or even the old xperia z instead of this SamDung
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Are you not still within a cooling off period if youre not happy and want to return it for a refund?
I wouldn't rush out to get the Z1 either as there appear to be issues unlocking the boot loader as in the below link. Ive also had HTC devices were it was nearly impossible to gain s-off (having to perform a wire trick to apply an engineering hboot). If you check the HTC One forums there are people on a recent hboot who are unable to s-off as its been locked down by HTC, which can cause headaches when trying to flash certain ROMs.
The reality is Samsung just isn't making devices specifically catering for people who like to modify/flash custom stuff. If you want full control of your device with an easily unlockable boot loader, then get a Nexus.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/unlocking-sony-xperia-z1-bootloader-breaks-camera/
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2 questions:
1) What is your firmware? Old firmwares can be rooted fine
2) Even if you have knox, you can still root. You just lose your warranty. Are you ok with that?

nwsk said:
2 questions:
1) What is your firmware? Old firmwares can be rooted fine
2) Even if you have knox, you can still root. You just lose your warranty. Are you ok with that?
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I'm on MH8 4.2.2 so i'm affected before i even had a chance to set up my phone, I didnt buy it on a contract and i cant return it now.
Of course I am not willing to void the 2 year warranty on an expensive phone this new, no way!
The xperia boot loaders don't need to be unlocked to flash modded/custom roms if they come off a sony base rom so it's all good, better camera waterproof and a dev friendly company
so now then...Anyone want to buy this S4 from me?

iamflamez said:
I'm on MH8 4.2.2 so i'm affected before i even had a chance to set up my phone, I didnt buy it on a contract and i cant return it now.
Of course I am not willing to void the 2 year warranty on an expensive phone this new, no way!
The xperia boot loaders don't need to be unlocked to flash modded/custom roms if they come off a sony base rom so it's all good, better camera waterproof and a dev friendly company
so now then...Anyone want to buy this S4 from me?
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How much $$$
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iamflamez said:
I'm on MH8 4.2.2 so i'm affected before i even had a chance to set up my phone, I didnt buy it on a contract and i cant return it now.
Of course I am not willing to void the 2 year warranty on an expensive phone this new, no way!
The xperia boot loaders don't need to be unlocked to flash modded/custom roms if they come off a sony base rom so it's all good, better camera waterproof and a dev friendly company
so now then...Anyone want to buy this S4 from me?
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You do realise that even if you didn't have the locked down Knox firmware, you'd still be voiding the warranty, regardless of if you used an app like Triangle Away, right? That's the risk everyone takes when rooting.
You've basically just come on here and opened a new thread to whine about something the vast majority of us already know about.
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warranty is a fiction it dont protect against software bug bricks as there is no chance that you permanently brick your phome that way. it also dont protect for physical damages and water effects. if something is wrong service tell that is your fault anyway. so dont bother about warranty and root it
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JonesWTF said:
You do realise that even if you didn't have the locked down Knox firmware, you'd still be voiding the warranty, regardless of if you used an app like Triangle Away, right? That's the risk everyone takes when rooting.
You've basically just come on here and opened a new thread to whine about something the vast majority of us already know about.
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Umm rooting does not void your warranty. At least not here in Finland. The company is responsible for proving that the cause for say a hardware defect was indeed caused by the software and not an error on their part if the phone for some reason breaks down. They usually don't bother and just repair it under warranty.

JonesWTF said:
You do realise that even if you didn't have the locked down Knox firmware, you'd still be voiding the warranty, regardless of if you used an app like Triangle Away, right? That's the risk everyone takes when rooting.
You've basically just come on here and opened a new thread to whine about something the vast majority of us already know about.
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Well FYI I've had to take a phone in to samsung for warranty before and it was really easy to flash back to stock and then take in in under warranty, this is now not possible so I hope nothing goes wrong with your phone otherwise you'll be the one whining

damador said:
warranty is a fiction it dont protect against software bug bricks as there is no chance that you permanently brick your phome that way. it also dont protect for physical damages and water effects. if something is wrong service tell that is your fault anyway. so dont bother about warranty and root it
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there has been issues before on previous samsungs with usb connectors stopping charging, phone randomly switching off etc and who knows what might wear out on the S4 as its still pretty new, I'd rather not take the risk, also if you come to sell your phone and the buyer sees your warranty is void it will make your phone harder to re sell on

iamflamez said:
Well FYI I've had to take a phone in to samsung for warranty before and it was really easy to flash back to stock and then take in in under warranty, this is now not possible so I hope nothing goes wrong with your phone otherwise you'll be the one whining
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I've already accepted the risk. If something happens, it'd be very hypocritical of me to whine about something I knew could and did happen.
I know how easy it is to flash back to stock and hide evidence of it being rooted and customised. I've been doing this since the G1.
You won't find me opening a thread when I don't like something. Especially when it could have been prevented by doing a little research before buying the phone.
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Toss3 said:
Umm rooting does not void your warranty. At least not here in Finland. The company is responsible for proving that the cause for say a hardware defect was indeed caused by the software and not an error on their part if the phone for some reason breaks down. They usually don't bother and just repair it under warranty.
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Here in the UK, it's kind of the same. Yet companies here will still try and point the finger of blame at custom software when it's clearly a hardware fault.
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JonesWTF said:
I've already accepted the risk. If something happens, it'd be very hypocritical of me to whine about something I knew could and did happen.
I know how easy it is to flash back to stock and hide evidence of it being rooted and customised. I've been doing this since the G1.
You won't find me opening a thread when I don't like something. Especially when it could have been prevented by doing a little research before buying the phone.
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Here in the UK, it's kind of the same. Yet companies here will still try and point the finger of blame at custom software when it's clearly a hardware fault.
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well hopefully my whining will help someone doing a little research to notice the issue then, you're now whining about me whining so lets leave it here lol

iamflamez said:
well hopefully my whining will help someone doing a little research to notice the issue then, you're now whining about me whining so lets leave it here lol
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Hahaha! I realised that when I hit the post button. Sorry, bro.
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JonesWTF said:
Hahaha! I realised that when I hit the post button. Sorry, bro.
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haha! no problem bro, :good:

[Q] Do you care about your flash counter?

I keep seeing all these posts worrying about your flash counter. Seriously, who is actually gonna go out of their way to go into DL mode and actually look?

hkbladelawhk said:
I keep seeing all these posts worrying about your flash counter. Seriously, who is actually gonna go out of their way to go into DL mode and actually look?
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Repair depot technicians, that's who! LOL
It's funny actually, I don't even think I have a warranty on my international model, but I still haven't rooted my Note 4...

I think the bigger drawback of rooting is that OTA updates may no longer happen . Or am I confused there?

I've had two different rooted S3s replaced at Best Buy and they have never checked for anything.
EDIT: But I did revert back to the stock rom before going to BB.
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schlepprock said:
I've had two different rooted S3s replaced at Best Buy and they have never checked for anything.
EDIT: But I did revert back to the stock rom before going to BB.
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What was the reason you brought two S3's back? I'm sure if it was something that needed immediate replacement, they may not bother, but a "regular" repair might involve checking your software/counters.

I don't really care since mine is far away from Hong Kong, and I think it doesn't support warranty (not too sure). I won't wait even it does, pretty sure it will gonna take over a month to get it fix plus fees. And I always change a new phone after a year, so unless hardware failure, I'm happy to have it even it tripped the Knox~
P.S. I rooted my phone straight away after I unpack it Now counted 2 already~

Normally rooting and Xposed is the first thing I'd do but I havent done it yet as I'm nervous about the flash counter and losing OTA updates. Really need root though for Viper and Xposed.

EP2008 said:
What was the reason you brought two S3's back? I'm sure if it was something that needed immediate replacement, they may not bother, but a "regular" repair might involve checking your software/counters.
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The first time it was due to bad modem/radio( bad reception and dropping calls). The second time they couldn't have checked anyway, I destroyed it with a skid steer. But we've taken our kids S3s several times to be replaced and they didn't go into settings or anything like that so I know best Buy at least, doesn't know anything about checking for root.

On US carriers tripping Knox may be an issue with the 'Full-Price' upgrades (Next, etc.) -- That is how I picked up my N4, but if they look in detail, I would be on the hook for the remainder of the balance even though I had surrendered the phone back to them. There may be a work around / bypass eventually - there were in past phones that utilized counters. I would think there would be one if someone had the knowledge to dump everything and reload after a 'hard wipe'. They need to install them at the factory somehow. I am probably grasping at straws as my cooking experience was Windows Phones.

Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2 internal screen damage randomly! See video inside!!

Top half of my screen suddenly goes bad out of no where!!
Anyone had this happened to them? Half of my screen now flickering, showing weird lines, unreadable stuff, and constantly flickering, and turning off. I can't even keep it on for more than 5 seconds.
Please see this video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2UhwqgZMmY

I can only think of RMA. .
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I hope your device is in warranty.
What happened to you makes me think twice before flashing custom roms, tripping knox and voiding the warranty (which I already tripped and voided)

thdervenis said:
I hope your device is in warranty.
What happened to you makes me think twice before flashing custom roms, tripping knox and voiding the warranty (which I already tripped and voided)
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All of those are software related customization. This problem I am having is strictly hardware. The AMOLED screen panel is internally damage somehow that cause it to messed up like that.
Flashing, rooting, tripping knox or whatever won't cause this. A lot of people get this wrong and blame on modifying the ROM as part of the cause but one must understand the difference between the 2 before making judgment.

xxlikquidxx said:
All of those are software related customization. This problem I am having is strictly hardware. The AMOLED screen panel is internally damage somehow that cause it to messed up like that.
Flashing, rooting, tripping knox or whatever won't cause this. A lot of people get this wrong and blame on modifying the ROM as part of the cause but one must understand the difference between the 2 before making judgment.
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Yeah, I know that.
I meant that messing with the software (flashing, rooting, tripping knox) voids the warranty, and if a hardware problems occurs (irrelevant to your flashing activities), such as in your case, you 'll be left without a warranty (although you didn't cause it)

thdervenis said:
Yeah, I know that.
I meant that messing with the software (flashing, rooting, tripping knox) voids the warranty, and if a hardware problems occurs (irrelevant to your flashing activities), such as in your case, you 'll be left without a warranty (although you didn't cause it)
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we'll see about that from Samsung.

Knox 0x1?
They will probably offer a "very competitive" out-of-warranty repair price.

Got a free replacement tablet from Samsung! Bravo!
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xxlikquidxx said:
Got a free replacement tablet from Samsung! Bravo!
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Oh man! That is killer! I have never heard of them doing that, but I have never heard of such a catastrophic failure on a Samsung tablet That kind of result will make ya a Samsung customer for life!

mine doing the same thing and its rooted so know is voided. i called samsung and they gave me an RMA to ship it back. lets see what will happen

ad78 said:
mine doing the same thing and its rooted so know is voided. i called samsung and they gave me an RMA to ship it back. lets see what will happen
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Hopefully, they will provide the same solution for your case. Keep us posted, and good luck! This kind of hardware failure should never happen with a top end device like this.

Tquarter said:
Hopefully, they will provide the same solution for your case. Keep us posted, and good luck! This kind of hardware failure should never happen with a top end device like this.
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in my experience from years past, nobody that takes these returns really cares about root or custom ROMS when there is a hardware problem. The customer is usually shipped a refurbished model immediately while the damaged unit goes back for repair. By the time it gets to someone whos smart enough or loyal enough to care about root, the customer already has their refurb. when i sent in my droid x2 for repair it would ALWAYS boot to recovery options on first boot, then you would have to tell it to boot normally and it would. i was fine with it but forgot about that when i went to get it repaired....
they asked me "whats that green stuff on the screen?"
me: oh nothing.... *presses -boot normally- button*
"does it do that every time?!"
me: yeah but i dont care
"wow that must be annoying!".
then they shipped it off for repair and i got my refurb.
i dont think manufacturers or service providers care as much about root as many people think. they do a lot to prevent it sometimes but I have never had an issue on getting warranty services on a rooted device.
keeping in mind that none of those warranty services were because of software problems... every phone had something wrong with it physically.

Agreed, most phone warranties are like cars. It under warranty unless the "mod" could have possibly caused the problem.