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things before trip knox ..

Hello
I'm on stock 4.3 with MJ7 bootloader .. and for my today is the day to trip knox and rock custom rom on it ..
I want to know what are the thing that i should do before root and install custom recovery / rom ... ???
i found this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447342
is there any thing else ??
thank you

RaDi said:
Hello
I'm on stock 4.3 with MJ7 bootloader .. and for my today is the day to trip knox and rock custom rom on it ..
I want to know what are the thing that i should do before root and install custom recovery / rom ... ???
i found this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447342
is there any thing else ??
thank you
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Only one thing once knox is tripped there's know going back

ok
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Most important, turn re-activation lock OFF..
If it's on you will have problems....

RaDi said:
Hello
I'm on stock 4.3 with MJ7 bootloader .. and for my today is the day to trip knox and rock custom rom on it ..
I want to know what are the thing that i should do before root and install custom recovery / rom ... ???
i found this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447342
is there any thing else ??
thank you
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It would have been interesting to at least try some new test in the process - for instance I have seen some intriguing reports from N900W8 models where they have apparently installed some version of xnote (custom rom pre-rooted) without tripping knox presumably by somehow using stock Samsung kernel and stock Samsung recovery (I repeat, that was THEIR claim, not mine, but more research and testing on the subject would be nice).

I'm one of those people. I installed the Mexican update, then rooted using Cf autoroot, then installed CWM and flashed X-Note with Katturbine kernel and I'm still knox 0x0 :/
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I am also on MJ7, N900t and I had have two questions if possible.
1. Do you recommend me to upgrade to kitkat then to have custom rom or just to root my 4.3 then to have a custom rom?
DrawnToLife
2. Can you please explain what you did step by step instructions to what you did, and if possible providing a link to the Mexican rom you referred to and the same CWM you used.
Thanks

DrawnToLife said:
I'm one of those people. I installed the Mexican update, then rooted using Cf autoroot, then installed CWM and flashed X-Note with Katturbine kernel and I'm still knox 0x0 :/
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That sounds very different from what I was expecting, and so far based on that I would say that it mostly seems to be a result of the N900W8 bootloader system rather than something very special that needs to be done when flashing stuff
Question specific for N900W8 - is it possible to downgrade MJ4 -> MJ1 on that phone? (since that would confirm that the W8 bootloader is quite different).

xclub_101 said:
That sounds very different from what I was expecting, and so far based on that I would say that it mostly seems to be a result of the N900W8 bootloader system rather than something very special that needs to be done when flashing stuff
Question specific for N900W8 - is it possible to downgrade MJ4 -> MJ1 on that phone? (since that would confirm that the W8 bootloader is quite different).
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No, not possible to downgrade to MJ1 even when you came from MJ1 and upgraded to MJ4.
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anameeeen said:
I am also on MJ7, N900t and I had have two questions if possible.
1. Do you recommend me to upgrade to kitkat then to have custom rom or just to root my 4.3 then to have a custom rom?
DrawnToLife
2. Can you please explain what you did step by step instructions to what you did, and if possible providing a link to the Mexican rom you referred to and the same CWM you used.
Thanks
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I followed this guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2618633

[Q] can you flash custom roms with KNOX bootloader

I have a Sprint Galaxy S4. I old one broke and i got a another using my warranty. There was no way they could repair it. it had a rock go through the phone. My old one had the old bootloader and i rooted it, installed CWM bootloader and had custom roms on it. I liked it that way. My new one had the newer Kit Kat OS on it. I was aware of the KNOX counter on the newer version of android. I know i can root it with out tripping the KNOX counter but can you install custom roms on my phone. What if i don't care about tripping the KNOX counter can i still install CWM or Philz recovery? If so, will KNOX let me install custom roms. Basically i want to do what i used to do on my old phone; freely try different recoveries/bootloaders and custom roms, with out KNOX interfering. At the very minimum have root access and install any of the newer custom roms that are out there( particularly the Negalite rom.)

Yes you can. Search next time please. This has been answered before.
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daniel4653 said:
Yes you can. Search next time please. This has been answered before.
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can you provide a link.

What to lose if I root my i9505 (I9505XXUGNE5)

I got my i9505 unlocked without any warranty. Its running stock I9505XXUGNE5. What could be consequences if I root my device?
Would I be able to receive OTA updates after rooting?
Do I need to delete all KNOX related stuff after rooting? Because I've heard that CF root method does interfere with KNOX in such a way that you get random reboots.

Firstly you have a i9505 unlocked so there are no problem for root.Secondly if u will root u can't receive ota updates and when you are trying to root thay ask you stop the knox...after cf-rooted you never install knox again...because your flash counter start counting...but your device supported triangleaway so u can clear all your counter and u also back to official.
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fleming.patel said:
Firstly you have a i9505 unlocked so there are no problem for root.Secondly if u will root u can't receive ota updates and when you are trying to root thay ask you stop the knox...after cf-rooted you never install knox again...because your flash counter start counting...but your device supported triangleaway so u can clear all your counter and u also back to official.
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What I understand from your post is:
1) I can't receive OTA updates after rooting, so how will I upgrade to latest stock? Using Odin?
2) If I use CF-Root, KNOX will be deleted and I should not install it again, right?
3) Knox counter can be cleared using 'triangleaway', right?
So it means there is not much to lose other than KNOX? My last android phone was Xperia U and when I unlocked its bootloader its DRM keys were destroyed which means no more Bravia engine and XLoud. I hope nothing like this happens with S4.

Yoy can get ota update via kies and when you clear you flash counter u can install knox agian....and not much thing u lose except knox.
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You cant reset knox counter with triangleaway
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You should read the first thread in the Q&A section about Knox. You are getting things mixed.
If you flash a good custom rom, you really don't want to go back to stock. Don't ask what a good rom is, because that's all about personal preference.

you're confusing some stuff.
the Knox warranty void counter WILL BE TRIPPED if you'll root your device, hence, your Knox app will not work on your device.
there is no possible way to reset the Knox counter as for now.
You won't get OTA updates, because your phone will change from Official status to Custom, though with xposed module: wanam xposed, you can trick your device to be official, and still get updates via the option there: fake system status.
you can always flash a new rom with odin, even stock roms of course... but you will have to root the device again.
triangle away will reset the flash counter, but it will not reset the Knox warranty void counter.
you can see that counter in download mode (pwr button+volume down+home button)
Knox warranty void: 0x0 (not tripped) 0x1 (tripped)

Sorry for the nooby question, but what does OTA mean?

Mo Neenja31 said:
Sorry for the nooby question, but what does OTA mean?
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OTA is update Over The Air.

myawan said:
I got my i9505 unlocked without any warranty. Its running stock I9505XXUGNE5. What could be consequences if I root my device?
Would I be able to receive OTA updates after rooting?
Do I need to delete all KNOX related stuff after rooting? Because I've heard that CF root method does interfere with KNOX in such a way that you get random reboots.
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No, no updates but you can restore via odin of you decide later you want them. For knox phones if you will be going custom then I recommend to do so sooner than later, I've got this crazy hunch......
I had number of issues with wifi just breaking intermittently on a knox bootloader gs4 once I went custom. I would have to power down for a few minutes and then power back on to get it to come back up! it's odd because with time it seems that this issue goes away on its own for good once the custom rom and kernel has had a chance to settle, which takes a few days... The only reason why I think that this would happen is because knox can't be disabled completely and perhaps the knox bootloader is looking for some kind of knox response from the wifi driver which isn't present because it's not availble in custom rom and perhaps there is a fail count that need to be triggered before knox bootloader just give up and disables this check completely? Anyone else's thoughts on this?
But beware, for me, this issue comes back once you re-flash a new custom rom/kernel and then you have to wait it out again...
So it seems knox is still active somewhat even though you have a custom rom/kernel installed. The other reason why I recommend switching sooner rather than later is this approach, I would imagine allows for more time to react and fine tune software to work with different bootloaders Eventually as kernels and custom roms are optimized the code should speak better to the knox bootloader.
If your always upgrading then you may not be allowing enough time for open source community to react and mature to the unforeseen changes that appear in new bootloaders.
I have another gs4 no knox MDJ bootloader and have no wifi issues at all, it solid! but this may be because the community has had more time to talk to and MDJ bootloader.
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yonye87 said:
you're confusing some stuff.
the Knox warranty void counter WILL BE TRIPPED if you'll root your device, hence, your Knox app will not work on your device.
there is no possible way to reset the Knox counter as for now.
You won't get OTA updates, because your phone will change from Official status to Custom, though with xposed module: wanam xposed, you can trick your device to be official, and still get updates via the option there: fake system status.
you can always flash a new rom with odin, even stock roms of course... but you will have to root the device again.
triangle away will reset the flash counter, but it will not reset the Knox warranty void counter.
you can see that counter in download mode (pwr button+volume down+home button)
Knox warranty void: 0x0 (not tripped) 0x1 (tripped)
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Triangle away can reset your phone to Official status and allow you to get OTA's again as well.

[Knox][Warranty] Galaxy S4 I9500[India]

Hello Galaxy S4 users.
I recently bought a Galaxy S4 Black Edition.
After going through all Knox and warranty related posts I was not able to make up my mind to root.
So I called up the Samsung Customer Care for clarifying my doubt's.
The representative cleared that Knox has nothing to do with warranty(at least on India) and even if the counter increases to 1 warranty will not be lost.
Only if device status is unofficial then only we loose warranty and flashing stock firmware through Odin resets it to official(telling through personal experience with Tab 3 on 4.2.2)
I have no intention of using Knox and so want to root it.
Yet I would like to know if there is any method to root 4.4.2 without increasing the counter.
Thanks in advance.
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SArnab©® said:
I have no intention of using Knox and so want to root it.
Yet I would like to know if there is any method to root 4.4.2 without increasing the counter.
Thanks in advance.
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You can use 'towelroot' by geohot for rooting 4.4.2 firmware without tripping KNOX.

iJo09 said:
You can use 'towelroot' by geohot for rooting 4.4.2 firmware without tripping KNOX.
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I already tried that.
Both version 1 and 2.
where as version 2 is said to root without rebooting the device yet my S4 gets rebooted but it doesn't gets rooted.
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The firmware installed on your S4 is not compatible yet.. what version do you have?

NC1
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You can try to ask on the official towelroot thread if anyone has successfully got it working on that firmware.. or instead, you can email geohot for help

[Q] Flashing custom rom

Can you flash any custom roms with mobile ODIN without tripping knox flag after using towelroot, followed by Chainfire's SUPERSU?
Or you can only flash roms which stated (knox 0x0)??

combatuser said:
Can you flash any custom roms with mobile ODIN without tripping knox flag after using towelroot, followed by Chainfire's SUPERSU?
Or you can only flash roms which stated (knox 0x0)??
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no!! you can only flash roms using recovery.
mobile odin is for flashing firmwares only.
take a look on this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2835305
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combatuser said:
Can you flash any custom roms with mobile ODIN without tripping knox flag after using towelroot, followed by Chainfire's SUPERSU?
Or you can only flash roms which stated (knox 0x0)??
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In practical terms, no. A custom ROM is going to mean accepting that your Knox flag increments to 0x1. That is because custom ROMs are invariably packaged as flashable zip files, intended to be installed from a custom recovery session. It's installing a custom recovery that would actually increment Knox.
You could in theory (i.e. I don't see why not, but I haven't tested it), install a custom ROM from the command line of a rooted phone. But you'd have to figure out what goes where.. basically disassemble their install script and make a todo list that you'd have to replicate from the command line.
Pragmatically no one is going to go to that amount of work. So the effective answer is no. If you want to install a custom ROM, then you have to commit to a custom recovery first, which will increment Knox. Most people don't obsess about the Knox bit. But if you are unwilling to change your Knox flag, then you are effectively barred from custom ROMs. Unless you found someone who packaged a custom ROM for just your situation and a view of avoiding a Knox increment anyway.
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NOOB QUESTION
what's the problem with tripping knox?
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la2o said:
NOOB QUESTION
what's the problem with tripping knox?
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it will void the warrenty of the device if it got tripped. so some people want to root without losing their device warranty
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Galaxy_Guy said:
it will void the warrenty of the device if it got tripped. so some people want to root without losing their device warranty
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Ahh i see, thank you very much

Thanks, GalaxyGuy, I've read your thread before opening this post. I thought NeatRom was a custom rom. So NeatRom is basically a custom firmware?
Thanks fffft for the reply. And I actually flashed Phoenix Rom v3 through Mobile ODIN and checking 'wipe data' and 'dalvic cache'. Everything seems to work fine even without a custom revovery. And my knox is (0x1), but I'm quite happy with the custom rom.
I heard that there's a way to make the knox flag reset for Note 3, although if it works on S5, it will be a bonus.

combatuser said:
Thanks, GalaxyGuy, I've read your thread before opening this post. I thought NeatRom was a custom rom. So NeatRom is basically a custom firmware?
Thanks fffft for the reply. And I actually flashed Phoenix Rom v3 through Mobile ODIN and checking 'wipe data' and 'dalvic cache'. Everything seems to work fine even without a custom revovery. And my knox is (0x1), but I'm quite happy with the custom rom.
I heard that there's a way to make the knox flag reset for Note 3, although if it works on S5, it will be a bonus.
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no its a rom but the dev of the neat rom have found a way to flash his rom using mobile odin , that's doesn't mean every rom is able to flash using mobile odin.
the best thing to do is to read the installation guide of the rom to know if you can flash it by odin or you must use a recovery
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