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KNOX confusion

This KNOX thing is creating too much confusion. Somebody please clear it. Some say that KNOX won't allow us to root ar flash custom kernels n roms. Some are say that KNOX bootloader can be replaced. I am using GT-I9500 (4.3 official, MJ8 build number, not rooted), which i wish to root. What should i exactly do to get rid of knox?
Please help. Thanks
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I too am confused with this whole Knox stuff. But from my experience, you can Root and install custom software but it will void your warranty. I'm not sure if it's any different on the 9500 as I've got a 9505 but there is currently NO way to get rid of Knox, once you've got it, you're stuck with it.

Pulse654321 said:
I too am confused with this whole Knox stuff. But from my experience, you can Root and install custom software but it will void your warranty. I'm not sure if it's any different on the 9500 as I've got a 9505 but there is currently NO way to get rid of Knox, once you've got it, you're stuck with it.
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Maby not ... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2504258 and this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2510867

you can root after upgrading to knox
you can also install a custom recovery
knox counter (which is not really a counter if my understanding is correct) will increase to 1, meaning you will loose the waranty
so I was running the last S4 official firmware, I root'ed it using CF auto root, then installed philz touch recoveryn than i flashed the goole edition rom from jamal
and of course I lost the waranty, hope I wont need it

philuxe said:
you can root after upgrading to knox
you can also install a custom recovery
knox counter (which is not really a counter if my understanding is correct) will increase to 1, meaning you will loose the waranty
so I was running the last S4 official firmware, I root'ed it using CF auto root, then installed philz touch recoveryn than i flashed the goole edition rom from jamal
and of course I lost the waranty, hope I wont need it
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So now that i want to root my GT-I9500 (Indian, running 4.3 stock, MJ8 firmware), will CF autoroot work?
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Root GT-N7100<4.4.2> without tripping KNOX

Hi XDA people,
Just found this workaround for rooting latest 4.4.2 stock firmware without tripping Knox.
This method downgrades the firmware(System & Kernel) on your device to N7100XXUEMK4 except for the bootloader.
Dont even try to downgrade the bootloader as this isn't possible.
What you need:
1.Odin v3.09
2.Stock official N7100XXUFND3 firmware on your device.
3. A device with Knox Warranty Void: 0
Procedure:
1.Download N7100XXUEMK4 Stock Rom from HERE
2. Open the downloaded file.You will find 4 .tar.md5 files and an Odinv3.09 zip file inside.
3. Extract the Odin file and setup Odin on your PC.
4. Next extract the file named AP_N7100XXUEMK4_2099172_REV04_user_low_ship.tar.md5
5. Load this file into AP tab on Odin. Connect your phone in Odin mode and flash this file.
( Note : You have to flash only the AP file from Odin. Do not flash the other files namely CP, CSC, BL)
6. Now once the phone has rebooted go back to download mode and check if Knox has tripped or not.
7. Next use Saferoot from HERE to root your device.
(You would find the guide on how to root using saferoot easily over HERE
8. Now if saferoot was able to root your device then you must be rooted without tripping Knox. :good:
9. Now you can easily flash your official firmware through mobile odin. Select Everroot option on Mobile odin while flashing the new firmware. In this way you wont lose root access.
Known Issues:
If after rooting you want to flash custom recovery via mobile odin, or via DR.Ketan's utilities app please note that it will trip knox.
Knox remains cool until your recovery is stock. The moment a custom recovery is detected knox goes 1.
Credits:
@k1mu for saferoot

Cant you just do this?
Use Mj5 bootloader and any rom 4.x
Flash Kitkat 4.4.2 via mobilOdin and root.
Make sure status is ok (use triangle away if not)
Flash latest 4.4.2 bootloader via Odin (pcOdin)

robalm said:
Cant you just do this?
Use Mj5 bootloader and any rom 4.x
Flash Kitkat 4.4.2 via mobilOdin and root.
Make sure status is ok (use triangle away if not)
Flash latest 4.4.2 bootloader via Odin (pcOdin)
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Surely it can be done that way.
This is for those who already upgraded to the newer builds.
Edit: FYI Triangle Away cannot reset Knox.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

smeet.somaiya said:
Surely it can be done that way.
This is for those who already upgraded to the newer builds.
Edit: FYI Triangle Away cannot reset Knox.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100
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Ok.
What i mean was use Triangle away before you flash the 4.4.2 bootloader to get official status and binary count 0, the knox in MJ5 always stand 0.

robalm said:
Ok.
What i mean was use Triangle away before you flash the 4.4.2 bootloader to get official status and binary count 0, the knox in MJ5 always stand 0.
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Okay. :thumbup:
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can u do this with 7105 also?

romdroid. said:
can u do this with 7105 also?
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No idea about N7105
Do you know any N7105 stock firmware which is root able by saferoot/kingoroot without tripping knox?
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smeet.somaiya said:
Okay. :thumbup:
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robalm said:
Ok.
What i mean was use Triangle away before you flash the 4.4.2 bootloader to get official status and binary count 0, the knox in MJ5 always stand 0.
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But wouldn't flashing 4.4.2 BL trigger Knox? I got bit confused with @robalm method
@smeet.somaiya didn't some guy over at general forum under galaxy note 2 india told us that he downgraded from official 4.4.2 to stock 4.3 and his bootloader was downgraded as well?

singhpratik87 said:
But wouldn't flashing 4.4.2 BL trigger Knox? I got bit confused with @robalm method
@smeet.somaiya didn't some guy over at general forum under galaxy note 2 india told us that he downgraded from official 4.4.2 to stock 4.3 and his bootloader was downgraded as well?
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I don't think flashing ND3 BL will trigger knox.
Most of the users already flashed ND3 BL from MJ5 while they were on DN3. It doesn't trigger that way.
And yes about that guy, he never mentioned any detail that he downgraded from ND3 to which firmware of 4.3.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

smeet.somaiya said:
I don't think flashing ND3 BL will trigger knox.
Most of the users already flashed ND3 BL from MJ5 while they were on DN3. It doesn't trigger that way.
And yes about that guy, he never mentioned any detail that he downgraded from ND3 to which firmware of 4.3.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100
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I don't think you kept up with haybill and paarkhi's comments in DN3.They were on mj5 and upgraded to ND3 BL and they got Knoxed
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smeet.somaiya said:
I don't think flashing ND3 BL will trigger knox.
Most of the users already flashed ND3 BL from MJ5 while they were on DN3. It doesn't trigger that way.
And yes about that guy, he never mentioned any detail that he downgraded from ND3 to which firmware of 4.3.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100
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infact you were the one who brought it to mine and haybill's attention that upgrading BL to ND3 triggers Knox ,i'll just ask haybill to send me a screenshot from phone info

singhpratik87 said:
I don't think you kept up with haybill and paarkhi's comments in DN3.They were on mj5 and upgraded to ND3 BL and they got Knoxed
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I did read them. They got knoxed means they got a BL with Knox warranty Void 0. And @paarkhi confirmed it to me
And I really don't think it would trigger knox that way because the bootloader doesn't check the integrity of the firmware on your device when you're flashing the bootloader itself.
Also it doesn't trigger Knox while it boots up the system and finds unauthorized firmware.
Because we don't have Kernel lock and secure boot like on Qualcomm based N3.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

smeet.somaiya said:
I did read them. They got knoxed means they got a BL with Knox warranty Void 0. And @paarkhi confirmed it to me
And I really don't think it would trigger knox that way because the bootloader doesn't check the integrity of the firmware on your device when you're flashing the bootloader itself.
Also it doesn't trigger Knox while it boots up the system and finds unauthorized firmware.
Because we don't have Kernel lock and secure boot like on Qualcomm based N3.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100
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Okay this is all too much for my brain to absorb at this time of the night ,i don't think i actually understand the difference between Knox warranty void and being Knoxed ,i guess since we install de-knoxed ROMs we can't get Knoxed ,just that our warranty goes out the window and we cannot downgrade beyond a certain OS right? If what i stated is wrong then i'll go to bed and dream of knox

singhpratik87 said:
Okay this is all too much for my brain to absorb at this time of the night ,i don't think i actually understand the difference between Knox warranty void and being Knoxed ,i guess since we install de-knoxed ROMs we can't get Knoxed ,just that our warranty goes out the window and we cannot downgrade beyond a certain OS right? If what i stated is wrong then i'll go to bed and dream of knox
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Lol. It's paritally right.
Don't worry buddy I'll help you learn Knox
Being Knoxed is getting that extra line in the download mode.
But this doesn't throw away your warranty. Warranty is lost only when this extra line in download mode ends with 1 instead of 0
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

singhpratik87 said:
But wouldn't flashing 4.4.2 BL trigger Knox? I got bit confused with @robalm method
@smeet.somaiya didn't some guy over at general forum under galaxy note 2 india told us that he downgraded from official 4.4.2 to stock 4.3 and his bootloader was downgraded as well?
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I cant say for sure if flashing only the new 4.4.2 bootloader via odin will trigger knox, i have not tested it myself.
My post was more of a question from me.

robalm said:
I cant say for sure if flashing only the new 4.4.2 bootloader via odin will trigger knox, i have not tested it myself.
My post was more of a question from me.
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In my opinion that shouldn't trip Knox.
Let us know if you test it.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

smeet.somaiya said:
In my opinion that shouldn't trip Knox.
Let us know if you test it.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100
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Have you got any feedback yet?
I do not have the balls to try it, my warranty is still valid and i may need to have it on service in future.

robalm said:
Have you got any feedback yet?
I do not have the balls to try it, my warranty is still valid and i may need to have it on service in future.
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No feedback yet. But one thing i can say for sure that even if this method fails it won't hard rick your phone because we ain't downgrading the BL here.
And I found a similar method on S4 active forums. It seems it works very well.
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smeet.somaiya said:
No feedback yet. But one thing i can say for sure that even if this method fails it won't hard rick your phone because we ain't downgrading the BL here.
And I found a similar method on S4 active forums. It seems it works very well.
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Ok.
But KNOX will trigger by flashing anything that is not samsung official? (same as the binary counter)

robalm said:
Ok.
But KNOX will trigger by flashing anything that is not samsung official? (same as the binary counter)
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Yes it would trigger by flashing unofficial firmware.
But here we ain't doing that too.
We're just flashing a older kernel+system partition (the whole PDA from MK4) that was vulnerable to root without tripping knox.
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I have DDUFND1. Even kingo doesnt recognize it. How can i get a one click root solution :crying:

[Q] Does Towelroot method work for T-Mobile GS5?

I was wondering if the Towelroot method works for Samsung Galaxy S5 (sm-g900t) and whether or not it will trip Knox. I was never able to find a clear answer to this. Thanks!

Very quick answer for you
YES, IT ROOTS YOUR PHONE WITHOUT TRIPPING KNOX

how? when I try on the sm-g900t towelroot says not suppoted did u use a modstring?
babygau said:
Very quick answer for you
YES, IT ROOTS YOUR PHONE WITHOUT TRIPPING KNOX
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if u used a modstring, what was it?

no dice for T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S5 SM-G900T, running 5.0
slickdap said:
I was wondering if the Towelroot method works for Samsung Galaxy S5 (sm-g900t) and whether or not it will trip Knox. I was never able to find a clear answer to this. Thanks!
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Tried towelroot on my T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S5 SM-G900T, running 5.0, but got the message "This phone isn't currently supported"

it can work
I rooted my Sm-900t using towelroot but you have to downgrade your kernel or bootloder I believe from NK2 (or whichever one fixed the vulnerability that made towelroot work) to NH5 or to a version earlier than august or july 2014 update using ODIN. There was a zip file with all of the components you need to downgrade, root, then upgrade back to the latest build. Search sm-g900t towelroot workaroud or something. This is for kitkat I dont know if jt would work on lollipop. Actually now that I think of it cf-autoroot-klte through Odin rooted my t mobile s 5 no problem. It did trip knox tho while the towelroot method above did not. I will look on my desktop to see if I still have the zip file and get back to you. if not I'm sure it's still on this website somewhere. good luck.

unroot I9505....

I hope that you guys have an answer for me....
3 days ago i rooted my S4 I9505 with towelroot https://towelroot.com/. KNOX was not tripped.
i there any way to unroot in the same way, without tripping KNOX, to upgrade it to 4.4.2?
Thanks!

christty31 said:
I hope that you guys have an answer for me....
3 days ago i rooted my S4 I9505 with towelroot https://towelroot.com/. KNOX was not tripped.
i there any way to unroot in the same way, without tripping KNOX, to upgrade it to 4.4.2?
Thanks!
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Yeah. Download the latest firmware 4.4.2 for ur phone in Sammobile.com and flash it through ODIN. Done :highfive:

Joku1981 said:
Yeah. Download the latest firmware 4.4.2 for ur phone in Sammobile.com and flash it through ODIN. Done :highfive:
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And after that it will 4.4.2 unrooted, with the KNOX intact? No operating system or warranty affected?

christty31 said:
And after that it will 4.4.2 unrooted, with the KNOX intact? No operating system or warranty affected?
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on my i9056 i flashed 4.4.2 stock from 4.3 rooted by towelroot throught ODIN and i have KNOX intact now :good:

Official firmwares never trip knox.
It is always safe to flash the OFFICIAL firmware.
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and after 4.4.2 official will be on my I9505 can i root again without tripping KNOX or other problems?

christty31 said:
and after 4.4.2 official will be on my I9505 can i root again without tripping KNOX or other problems?
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No problems buddy.
Towelroot you phone again
But before rooting dont upgrade to knox 2.0. People cant root with towelroot after that update.
Press Thanks if I helped
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DeepankarS said:
No problems buddy.
Towelroot you phone again
But before rooting dont upgrade to knox 2.0. People cant root with towelroot after that update.
Press Thanks if I helped
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good
but, if I want to unroot it for different reasons, re-flash again 4.4.2 with Odin if safe?
thanks!

christty31 said:
good
but, if I want to unroot it for different reasons, re-flash again 4.4.2 with Odin if safe?
thanks!
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Why unroot again and again if you have to flash a stock rom?
Just flash a stock rom and youre unrooted
But remember. Knox 2.0 wont let you use towelroot.
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DeepankarS said:
No problems buddy.
Towelroot you phone again
But before rooting dont upgrade to knox 2.0. People cant root with towelroot after that update.
Press Thanks if I helped
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If knox 2.0 is in 4.4.2 then how can you avoid it when updating to 4.4.2?

Bingley said:
If knox 2.0 is in 4.4.2 then how can you avoid it when updating to 4.4.2?
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Knox 2.0 is not in 4.4.2 it is an update that rolled out a few weeks ago.
Not sure if once in 2.0 it can be downgraded by flashing a previous 4.4.2 rom.
It has many new updates like the pattern lock and simplified method of transfer of data from our phone to the knox containers.
It looks like this now
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DeepankarS said:
Knox 2.0 is not in 4.4.2 it is an update that rolled out a few weeks ago.
Not sure if once in 2.0 it can be downgraded by flashing a previous 4.4.2 rom.
It has many new updates like the pattern lock and simplified method of transfer of data from our phone to the knox containers.
It looks like this now
Press Thanks if I helped
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I've only updated to 4.4.2, never updated or run knox-i have the app disabled-but it's listed as being 2.0.0 in Manage Apps, with no updates to uninstall as I've not updated it., yet it's still already 2.0.

Bingley said:
I've only updated to 4.4.2, never updated or run knox-i have the app disabled-but it's listed as being 2.0.0 in Manage Apps, with no updates to uninstall as I've not updated it., yet it's still already 2.0.
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Well i call it knox 2.0 because when i had a 100mb upgrade, it stated that your phone is going to upgrade to 2.0 with a kids mode functionality.
Rest even I have never noticed the version no. Just many UI changes from knox 1.0 to 2.0.
Plus Even samsung calls it 2.0. It was stated on the samsung's website that it knew about towel root exploiting the linux kernel and it shall resolve this in an update.
Rest idk what that update was. I clearly remember samsung calling it knox 2.0 upgrade update.
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DeepankarS said:
Well i call it knox 2.0 because when i had a 100mb upgrade, it stated that your phone is going to upgrade to 2.0 with a kids mode functionality.
Rest even I have never noticed the version no. Just many UI changes from knox 1.0 to 2.0.
Plus Even samsung calls it 2.0. It was stated on the samsung's website that it knew about towel root exploiting the linux kernel and it shall resolve this in an update.
Rest idk what that update was. I clearly remember samsung calling it knox 2.0 upgrade update.
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So you had a 100mb non-4.4.2 update? I'm sure you mean knox 2.0 was in the ota for 4.4.2, which I think can be rooted. Are you sure 2.0 can't be towelrooted?

Bingley said:
So you had a 100mb non-4.4.2 update? I'm sure you mean knox 2.0 was in the ota for 4.4.2, which I think can be rooted. Are you sure 2.0 can't be towelrooted?
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Well yes. I am already on 4.4.2. Received the uodate 2 days back.
PURELY KNOX 2.0 update.
Well many people,including my sister did that upgrade and towelroot stopped rooting. And many are complaining now that towelroot has stopped working.
That is why I blame the update.
I cannot use towelroot altogether as it does not work on i9500.
Press Thanks if I helped
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DeepankarS said:
Well yes. I am already on 4.4.2. Received the uodate 2 days back.
PURELY KNOX 2.0 update.
Well many people,including my sister did that upgrade and towelroot stopped rooting. And many are complaining now that towelroot has stopped working.
That is why I blame the update.
I cannot use towelroot altogether as it does not work on i9500.
Press Thanks if I helped
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Ok. I can't find any update info you're talking of, especially saying knox uodatebwas 100mb was it an ota or play store update? I didn't think apps updated in such a weird way, no mention of this anyone else that I can find :/

Bingley said:
Ok. I can't find any update info you're talking of, especially saying knox uodatebwas 100mb was it an ota or play store update? I didn't think apps updated in such a weird way, no mention of this anyone else that I can find :/
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OTA update.
http://m.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s4_i9505_gets_an_update_with_kids_mode_and_knox_20-news-8585.php
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DeepankarS said:
OTA update.
http://m.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s4_i9505_gets_an_update_with_kids_mode_and_knox_20-news-8585.php
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Brilliant, thanks. I've been on xxugne8 4.4.2 build date May 21st since I got this phone in the uk about 2 weeks ago but can't find it listed on sam, perhaps I just had an early update? I guess no way to root without typing knox on post-june kernels as towelroot now @google :/

Bingley said:
Brilliant, thanks. I've been on xxugne8 4.4.2 build date May 21st since I got this phone in the uk about 2 weeks ago but can't find it listed on sam, perhaps I just had an early update? I guess no way to root without typing knox on post-june kernels as towelroot now @google :/
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Well maybe. Because samsung was keen on stopping towelroot anyhow. They patched the linux kernels.
You can read samsungs take on towelroot on www.samsungknox.com
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DeepankarS said:
Why unroot again and again if you have to flash a stock rom?
Just flash a stock rom and youre unrooted
But remember. Knox 2.0 wont let you use towelroot.
Press Thanks if I helped
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ok, so:
upgrade to 4.4.2 with Odin will update it without tripping KNOX, just no to upgrade KNOX to 2.0 when receive this update, and the towelroot will work.
If necessary, for warranty reasons, re-install 4.4.2 with Odin will unroot it and have stock ROM as brand new.
Correct?

How to root N9005 without tripping Knox

Hi guys i just got my Note 3 SM-N9005 yesterday and I need to root without tripping know.I just cant live without rooting anymore(have a lot of important apps that requires root) Ive been trying to search but Im still in doubt. I have 4.4.2 version and baseband/build no. DXUGNH1

Look on Alexandr thread. He explain how to.....

[email protected] said:
Hi guys i just got my Note 3 SM-N9005 yesterday and I need to root without tripping know.I just cant live without rooting anymore(have a lot of important apps that requires root) Ive been trying to search but Im still in doubt. I have 4.4.2 version and baseband/build no. DXUGNH1
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go for towelroot best till mow system status official and knox 0x0 i am using it.
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Thanks guys actually ive read his post,just afraid of rooting w/o the confirmation for my baseband or does it matter?should it work on all 4.4.2 versions?

[email protected] said:
Thanks guys actually ive read his post,just afraid of rooting w/o the confirmation for my baseband or does it matter?should it work on all 4.4.2 versions?
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if you are before may or june date i think i forgot then it will work and yeah to bw on the safe side make a backup for your efs with dr ketans backup app.
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Just an update. I was able to root N9005DXUGNH1 firmware without tripping knox using _alxndr method which means towel root did work. My problem now is my wifi, Sammobile has not released DXUGNH1 firmware yet on their website which means i wont be able to download its kernel to fix my wifi issue(tried DXUFNG2 at the moment) My question is that can I downgrade to DXUFNG2 firmware since I believe both would have the same bootloader I guess or wait till Sammobile uploads DXUGNH1 on their website which I dont know how long will they take to do so. I currently only have 3gb data plan so I would wish to fix this wifi issue more quickly as possible. Would really appreciate your Ideas. Thanks