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Google's Plan A (in partnership with ASUS)

It looks like Google's master plan might be to proliferate the world with $149 7" Android tablet devices under Google's own branding. Cutthroat pricing and with Google's full 1st party support on the software side, it could work.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicetruong/2012/03/21/googles-nexus-tablet-could-be-priced-at-149/
A heavy casualty of this is that the $250 Tegra3 ASUS MemoPad might have been canceled.

7'' is to small for my taste... even if is cheaper
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7" is more portable. I've been considering getting a 7" device because I'm thinking I might carry it around more than I do my 10" devices. I was going to wait for the MemoPad to decide. For Google, 7" is where Apple isn't, so there's no direct confrontation with Apple at that size. At that price point, it's less expensive than today's Apple 8GB iPod Touch.

I almost bought one the Sprint or Verizon branded HTC Flyers. ICS was just starting to roll out to them but it is only using a single core processor. Woot & Ben's Outlet had them for around $200 brand new. The lack of computing power was one of the deciding factors. The other was the fact that I didn't really need another tablet.
Now if googles tablet is going to have a quad core Snapdragon processor then I might pick one up for $150.

I agree 7" size is ideal for everyday use
ssl123 said:
7" is more portable. I've been considering getting a 7" device because I'm thinking I might carry it around more than I do my 10" devices. I was going to wait for the MemoPad to decide. For Google, 7" is where Apple isn't, so there's no direct confrontation with Apple at that size. At that price point, it's less expensive than today's Apple 8GB iPod Touch.
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I agree a 7" tablet size is ideal for everyday use, it can easily be held in one hand securely without using some sort of a strap-on device. A 7" fits in my pocket a 10" does not.
I have a DELL Streak 7 and a ASUS TF101 and the DS7 gets used much more due to its portability advantages over the TF101 even though I think the TF101 is a superior product
I would be very much interested in a 7" quad core tablet (whether it's the Tegra3 or whoever else's chipset). I would hate to see the ASUS memo get shelved because Google is trying to flood the market with cheap tablets to gain market supremacy.

I'll believe it when I see it @ $149, on the shelf at Best Buy. The Nexus phones were supposed to be unsubsidized and $300 retail, but then we got another run-of-the-mill smartphone for $650, with the only difference being timely software updates.

raduque said:
I'll believe it when I see it @ $149, on the shelf at Best Buy. The Nexus phones were supposed to be unsubsidized and $300 retail, but then we got another run-of-the-mill smartphone for $650, with the only difference being timely software updates.
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I very much share your cynicism
Talking costs nothing and salespeople do too much of it, ( reminds me of the TI guy bigging his OMAP 5 as the best thing around disregarding the slight caveat that it wasn't really around yet).
I would LOVE to see it though. I'll end up showering the extended family with those.

Target: Amazon
A Google-branded 7" would be slated to go head-to-head against Amazon's Kindle Fire, or even a B&N Nook. No dummies there, the know the money is to be made on subscriptions, app sales, and other software. It's the Polaroid concept....give away the cameras, then charge heavily for the film. Or just like car dealers....they don't make crap when they sell a car, all their money is made on Service, Parts, and accessories.
Edit - 3/31/12:
Looks like I'm not the only one thinking this -
http://www.pcworld.com/article/252969/why_amazon_cant_win_a_tablet_price_war_against_google.html

Plan to buy the transformer

Hello everybody,
Recently i have been looking at a load of tablets as I am interested in buying one soon. Now I al interested in the iPad 2, the Sony tablet s and the Asus transformer + WiFi.
I want to have a tablet to watch movies, play games, read books and make notes. And I just like the look and specs of this tablet as far as I could have seen and read.
I would like to know from you guys if there are things you dislike about the device or totally love. I have used the Sony tablet s and the ipad 2 but can't get my hands on this device. So Any feedback from you guys is welcome.
Regards
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I love it. But only thing that i dislike is the Frame around the glass. It makes some sound if you "bend" it and stuff.. But nothing else to complain and the Prize $ is just great..
Also one problem is light bleed that i only have in 1 corner and its small and i really cant see it but in dark and when im watching movie but i doesnt bother me anymore at all : P
And eaven tf101 only has 2 cores its amazing fast afted ICS : P
-This is just My opinion.....

I bought myself a Transformer Prime for Christmas. Returned it after the GPS and wifi problems, bought a Lenovo K1 at a deal. It was slow and buggy and Lenovo's arrogance was overwhelming, with support totally lacking, so I returned it. I bought a barely used mint Transformer TF101 32GB with keyboard, locally for $325. It has no light bleed or any other problems and I love it!
The Prime was my biggest disappointment. But the original Transformer has restored my faith in Asus!

Wow.. my story is pretty much exactly the same as thomslik's.. except I payed $350.. grrr..
Anyway, I'm loving my TF101 and, for me, the ICS update has been problem free.
I would NOT recommend getting the iPad 2, it's much more limited than Android tablets.. especially with the keyboard dock on the Transformer.

The transformer is great not a problem out of it. I was gonna get the ipad 3rd generation but I don't want a big ipod that's all it is.

I like it. Good screen and fast. I wouldn't pay more then 300 for it at this point tho.

Best device i have ever brought myself so far i have a tiny bit of light bleed but everything else is perfect.
Its fast and does all the things you want to use it for also very very customisable i use a custom launcher themes apps system and kernel all to my preference
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tweaked said:
I like it. Good screen and fast. I wouldn't pay more then 300 for it at this point tho.
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It still sells just about everywhere for 399 brand new. Why do you feel the price isn't justified now? Any reason besides having been out for a while? I think for what it offers compared to other tabs it has held its value quite well.

Kadin said:
It still sells just about everywhere for 399 brand new. Why do you feel the price isn't justified now? Any reason besides having been out for a while? I think for what it offers compared to other tabs it has held its value quite well.
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Because it will become outdated pretty soon. It's almost at the end of the one year cycle.
If anyone, living in the USA, buys a TF101 for $399 at this point, they have some terrible shopping skills. Refurbs are at $300 or lower. Even brand new 16GB ones are around $350.
I got mine "Used - Like new" from Amazon for like $240 a couple months ago.

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Because it will become outdated pretty soon. It's almost at the end of the one year cycle.
If anyone, living in the USA, buys a TF101 for $399 at this point, they have some terrible shopping skills. Refurbs are at $300 or lower. Even brand new 16GB ones are around $350.
I got mine "Used - Like new" from Amazon for like $240 a couple months ago.
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I bought mine on the 17th from Fry's as they price matched an online site that was selling it for $349 w/ free shipping. I will say this site (bhphotovideo.com) was the only site I could find that was that cheap and not a refurb. Every other one I found short of eBay, who I refuse to use, was right around $399.
And not to split hairs but to that point, $350>$300 which is what I was originally quoting. My point is old or not, if the product still currently sits well compared to what's out now, I think it's worth it.
I'm just trying to determine whether to hold onto mine at this point but that's for another discussion...

Kadin said:
I bought mine on the 17th from Fry's as they price matched an online site that was selling it for $349 w/ free shipping. I will say this site (bhphotovideo.com) was the only site I could find that was that cheap and not a refurb. Every other one I found short of eBay, who I refuse to use, was right around $399.
And not to split hairs but to that point, $350>$300 which is what I was originally quoting. My point is old or not, if the product still currently sits well compared to what's out now, I think it's worth it.
I'm just trying to determine whether to hold onto mine at this point but that's for another discussion...
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So you paid $350 + tax, which is around $380.
Not worth it in my opinion. You probably don't realize it now because you just got it and it feels new to you.

horndroid said:
So you paid $350 + tax, which is around $380.
Not worth it in my opinion. You probably don't realize it now because you just got it and it feels new to you.
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Yeah. My only other option it seemed right now was either a Galaxy Tab or iPad 2 and the latter option is really not a consideration, but it was within the price range.
I'm digging the unit but as you said, it's all new to me. I'd love to see something solid on the near horizon as it might convince me to return this and wait but so far it's all just rumors and speculation.

Acer's quad core tablet is on presale for $449.99
In 2-3 months you will see 7 inch quad cores for $250.
Android 5.0 coming out in Fall.
So it depends on how badly you want a tablet right now.

Thanks everybody, I just ordered the 101 version without 3g, it is 400 euro in holland. But for the same price you get the ipad 2 or the Sony tablet. So I think its worth the price.
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the iPad 2 is really nice but with the transformer you can install roms like nintendo 64, ps2, etc and play for hours on end. the whole stretch thing is pretty retarded with the iPad 2 and after a while really annoying.
I love both but if I could only have one it'd definitely be the transformer.
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Will the Nexus 4 drive down the second hand phone market?

I looked today and my HTC One S is currently going for around £200 on auction sites. Considering the massive spec difference someone would get by spending an extra £70 and picking up a brand new Nexus 4 do you think the second hand market will be affected by it's release?
I know that if I had £200 to spend I wouldn't be looking at second hand flagship phones from other manufacturers unless they were way cheaper.

roakes said:
I looked today and my HTC One S is currently going for around £200 on auction sites. Considering the massive spec difference someone would get by spending an extra £70 and picking up a brand new Nexus 4 do you think the second hand market will be affected by it's release?
I know that if I had £200 to spend I wouldn't be looking at second hand flagship phones from other manufacturers unless they were way cheaper.
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That depends on how many Nexus 4 sells worldwide. Generally Nexus devices are not as popular as the OEM flagships and google also does not push for more sales with huge marketing campaigns. That said, I believe Nexus 4 will sell much better that it's predecessors and it will have only a slight impact on the price of other phones.

Imo only in the play store markets. In other countries no, because its price will be the same as the other flagships.

Hopefully. I'm taking both Galaxy Nexus and (hopefully, if nothing major screws up) Nexus 4 back to China in December. I'm hoping to get some decent money out of my Galaxy Nexus.

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That depends on how many Nexus 4 sells worldwide. Generally Nexus devices are not as popular as the OEM flagships and google also does not push for more sales with huge marketing campaigns. That said, I believe Nexus 4 will sell much better that it's predecessors and it will have only a slight impact on the price of other phones.
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Google did a pretty good job advertising the Nexus 7. I read an article somewhere that Google & ASUS were selling over 1,000,000 N7 tablets a month.

The Galaxy S3 at Best Buy went to $250 trade in down from $300 last week.
But Best Buy had a sale on the S3 last week. Plus prices drop all the time. No real reason.

I put my Gnex on eBay as soon as I saw the price of the N4. I figured that as soon as news of the N4 prices filtered down to used Gnex buyers, then it would depress the price of the phone.
The jury is still out whether it will affect non Nexus phone prices in the short term, but I'm sure that top end phones will become far cheaper over time because of this move.
So, my Gnex has now gone, and I'm back on my old Desire, at first I thought I'd gone back to the stone age, but a decent Miui based ROM sorted that out...to an extent.

Since it's currently Google Play only that have those prices, i doubt it will have any real effect on prices in general
It's sad, i was hoping we could get back to the day where iPhone was the "only smartphone" and Android was trying to gain market share, back then the prices for android highend smartphones were around 400€.
But as Android gained popularity it started jumping up to 500€, and now 600€.
It's no secret that the phones themselves cost around 200$ to make, so i'm really hoping that someone will still taking notice to Google's Prices, especially as they start expanding across europe.

Note 12.2 on pre-order for $849??

They have lost their marbles... As far as specs aren't they identical to the Note 10.1 2014 just a larger screen and more internal storage?
http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/612404/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-Pro-Android-Tablet/

Wow. If this is accurate and I have no doubt that it is then it's past my threshold for what I want to spend for a tablet. I don't even think 100.00 more should be right. Lower the 10.1 the same 100.00 to offer a cheaper than usual price point and make the 12.2 500.00.
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alias747 said:
They have lost their marbles... As far as specs aren't they identical to the Note 10.1 2014 just a larger screen and more internal storage?
http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/612404/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-Pro-Android-Tablet/
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So if you figure 10.1 2014 16gb is $549 and 32gb is $599 would a 64gb unit be $649 or $699.
So now add USB 3.0 and a much larger screen...... yeah...... $849 is about right.
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This.
Let's assume the 32GB is $749. Add on the matching Logitech Keyboard for $130 and you're at $879. There are a lot of ultrabook, convertible, and Surface-esque options in that price range. I guess based on Samsung's typical tiered pricing $749/849 shouldn't be a surprise but that's a heap load of money for an Android tablet. The phone UI looks funky on our 10" display. The Notification Panel icons are probably about two inches square on a 12" display. And all the historic Android productivity challenges that we (and all those that came before us) suffer extend to the Tab/Note Pro's too. So Samsung went with "build it and they will come." At those prices let's see how many "come."

LOL.
Samsung has lost it. I don't think even Apple would price a 12 inch iPad that high. Bunch of goofballs, I want whatever they're on.

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So if you figure 10.1 2014 16gb is $549 and 32gb is $599 would a 64gb unit be $649 or $699.
So now add USB 3.0 and a much larger screen...... yeah...... $849 is about right.
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I agree. Compared to the 10.1 tablets I do not see the price as being out of line. Sure it is not for everyone but it is far from being stupidly priced...at least not when compared to other tablets on the market.

I don't see the market for it. Seems too expensive for an entertainment device. Android falls pretty short as a business tool compared to the other options in that price range.

C2Q said:
LOL.
Samsung has lost it. I don't think even Apple would price a 12 inch iPad that high. Bunch of goofballs, I want whatever they're on.
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The 64gb iPad is $699 and $799 for a 128gb so I think you will see $899 for the 12.9 inch tablet that Apple will releases later this year.
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That's really a lot of money for a tablet. I'm not saying its overpriced in regards to specs vs profit margin... But I think consumers may not be willing to shell out that much scratch for a tablet
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goood luck with that Samsung...what an awful price point

Samsung share its 699$ ! Phonearena source
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I bought SM-P605 32 GB for around 850US, so I rather buy NotePro 12.2 WiFi 64GB for that money and I got no use for LTE anyway. In US maybe its much, but in EU its cheap price and in Sweden I think it gonna cost around 1200US. Only SM-P 605 16 GB cost 1200US here in Sweden.
Galaxy Note SM-P605

Samsung's really suffering from a severe case of wishful thinking. The Tab|Pro 8.4 is $50 more than the Note 8 ($349 vs. $399) which I guess is excusable because the former's got some big upgrades over the latter (SoC, display resolution). The Tab|Pro 10.1 is the same price as the N10.1-14 and they are physically identical with the latter having more RAM and S Pen. The 16GB iPad Mini Retina is $399 so Samsung's looking for the same cash for the Tab|Pro 8.4. The 16GB iPad Air is $499 so Samsung wants the same thing for the Tab|Pro 10.1. Good luck with that one; especially since the N10.1-14 at least has an exclusive feature (S Pen) that could possibly justify a price point that matches Apple's. I really do think Samsung's crossed in to the delusional and the new tablet's pricing is nuts and the positioning (or lack of) against their existing/previous tablets is just going to leave people confused.

Wait wtf..TabPro in the US = note 10.1 2014 price? lol. Who the hell would get the TabPro for the same price (assuming they are equally informed about the note). Considering you are paying the same price for less features.

Link is gone so maybe they will change the price

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Link is gone so maybe they will change the price
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The prices I posted are the pre-order prices buying direct from the Samsung U.S. website. They haven't changed. But once early adopter buying helps judge interest I bet you'll see "$50 (or more) off for a limited time;" perhaps as early as a month to six weeks. I admire Samsung's ambition but people didn't buy tons of Nexus 10's with its "iPad equal" display so relying on lipstick (M-UX), a focus on productivity (every included app is available third party on any Android tablet), and h/w improvements (if h/w is all that matters why do they sell so many Tab 2/3's?) to get people to buy high-end Android tablets at Apple prices I wish them luck. They'll probably spend a gazillion dollars promoting the new tablets and God knows that amount of marketing helped them get where their are in smartphones so maybe that'll work. I'm in marketing and think this whole high-end tablet (pricing and features) push is going to fall flat. When people think of tablets they think Apple=high-end and Android=cheap and that's what sales (even Samsung's in 2013) reflect.

Ye I got what you meant. I'm sure Samsung is testing the waters and see how many will take the bait. If its less than their target then they will surely rethink their stand.

Tab S4 is coming

Looks like it could be upgrade time, (if the price is right of course.)
https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/05/03/samsung-galaxy-tab-s4-passes-wifi-alliance-certification/
Who's tempted? :angel:
No mention of 8" version though :crying:

Only if my S2 dies. Right now it is running fine and meeting all of my needs. It's only 16 months old. Besides, given past experience the the introductory price will be too high.

I'm curious about new products because the current sale on S2 and S3 tablets seems to be a clearance.

I bought two more Tab S2s (T813s) just last month. Its more important to me to have the ability to run Lineage than the latest hardware. So no a Tab S4 really doesn't interest me unless I see some development for it. Based on how the other new Samsung phones / devices have been, I'm not holding my breath.

Bought my S2 in December 2015.
Still running perfectly fine.
Especially I like the very low weight which adds to the universal usability of this device.
Unfortunately the S4 will be significantly heavier, and NO other tablet in the 10" range with <400g weight is in sight... so I hope my S2 will work for another 2 years...

For me, most of my current T715 is fine, and has been for the last 2 years. On an 8" S4, (not that one exists,) I'd like the same form factor and weight, a new battery, SD835, always on FP sensor and 4GB ram.
Things like a glass back, facial recognition, increased weight, don't interest me.

Masteryates said:
Looks like it could be upgrade time, (if the price is right of course.)
https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/05/03/samsung-galaxy-tab-s4-passes-wifi-alliance-certification/
Who's tempted? :angel:
No mention of 8" version though :crying:
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its a no from me until they start putting the latest chipset on their tablet. I'm not paying premium price tag for last year chipset.

Was tempted but since no 8 so disregarded it. Tried to find availability of the Huawei 8.4 & found none. So got the S2; it is now 2 weeks. I use it for reading books & got it because Amazon had it for sale at $289 which pushed me over. My ASUS Zenpad S3 10 is very nice &, for me, much better than the iPad 9.7; but both are too "heavy" & awkward.
Also decided to resurrect my Tab Pro with the RRMix & have sent for a battery replacement since it was going down 30% in 24 hrs in sleep mode; think it is worst now & will see if the it remains the same when the battery arrives in 5 days.

OhioYJ said:
I bought two more Tab S2s (T813s) just last month. Its more important to me to have the ability to run Lineage than the latest hardware. So no a Tab S4 really doesn't interest me unless I see some development for it. Based on how the other new Samsung phones / devices have been, I'm not holding my breath.
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Man, how much did you pay for them? I want to pull the trigger on one so bad, but I just can't at the current prices, especially when they'll tank in a few months with the release of the S4...

had my tab for about 1.5 years,happy with it,i only stream football and read books,does the job

stoatbroker said:
Man, how much did you pay for them? I want to pull the trigger on one so bad, but I just can't at the current prices, especially when they'll tank in a few months with the release of the S4...
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I just checked both the ones I just bought were $349, both T813, the 9.7" ones. These last two were for my wife and son. I believe mine I actually picked up for $299, but that was back when the S3 had come out IIRC.
I bought one on Amazon for my son. Then when I decided I wanted a second one for my wife, they had already sold out, so I picked up a second one on eBay (it was new sealed).

My T813 is still running great, so I'm not really in the market for a tablet right now. Maybe, if the S3 drops in price sufficiently, I might upgrade to it to get the pen, but otherwise, I'm good.

OhioYJ said:
I just checked both the ones I just bought were $349, both T813, the 9.7" ones. These last two were for my wife and son. I believe mine I actually picked up for $299, but that was back when the S3 had come out IIRC.
I bought one on Amazon for my son. Then when I decided I wanted a second one for my wife, they had already sold out, so I picked up a second one on eBay (it was new sealed).
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In my country, Indonesia, secondhand Tab S2 9.7 will set you back Rp1.450.000,00 (which translates to around $105). But it has a caveat, the screen has shadow problem (but still, i can bear it for that kind of price!)

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In my country, Indonesia, secondhand Tab S2 9.7 will set you back Rp1.450.000,00 (which translates to around $105). But it has a caveat, the screen has shadow problem (but still, i can bear it for that kind of price!)
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Had I found any used ones for that price I might had considered it. In my area most people ask $300 for a used one. (Seriously, two in my area right now for sale, both $300) For the price it would be dumb not to buy a brand new one for only $50 more. These replaced our Nexus 7 (2013 models) which I did pick up 2 of the 3 used reasonably locally.

My play might be to wait for the eventual S3 price drop and pick one up to replace my 0G Tab S.

I'm just praying they will make a smaller model of S4. 16/9 would be a gift as well.

They need to give us an option priced equivalent to the 'normal' ipad and stop pretending that it can go head-to-head with the Pro line. Pen is nice and all but there's just not enough software to justify it.

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They need to give us an option priced equivalent to the 'normal' ipad and stop pretending that it can go head-to-head with the Pro line. Pen is nice and all but there's just not enough software to justify it.
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Yes, but this is Samsung, and they think they are the Apple of the Android world. Arguably, they shouldn't be charging iPhone money for the Galaxy S series either. My wife's 6S plus performs better than my S7 Edge in almost every way, to the point I have even considered getting her a new phone and taking her old one. The keyboard/app lag on the Galaxy devices is absurd for a device costing that much. Just texting from my device is an exercise in frustration compared to her phone or even my old HTC One M8.
The irony is that they could dramatically improve the performance of their devices by doing LESS. Drop TouchWiz, lightly skin AOSP, and maybe do a custom launcher. It's infuriating.

I like my 8" Tab S2 and my S7 Edge phone but my 10.5" iPad Pro blows away any Android device I've ever had (and I've had a lot since Android's intro). Outstanding performance and stability and a whole lot of very polished apps. iOS was difficult to adjust to but I've found ways to do anything I wanted to get done with a tablet. It would take something very special to get me to invest in a new Android tablet again (but I'll stick to Android phones and will continue to use the S2 Tab as a mini tablet).

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I like my 8" Tab S2 and my S7 Edge phone but my 10.5" iPad Pro blows away any Android device I've ever had (and I've had a lot since Android's intro). Outstanding performance and stability and a whole lot of very polished apps. iOS was difficult to adjust to but I've found ways to do anything I wanted to get done with a tablet. It would take something very special to get me to invest in a new Android tablet again (but I'll stick to Android phones and will continue to use the S2 Tab as a mini tablet).
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Agreed on iOS being slicker than Android. Unfortunately, that means buying into the Apple ecosystem, because anything "not Apple" is either not supported, or not supported well. In my case, I use Chromecast devices a lot, especially the Chromecast Audio. While there are a few apps for casting to them on iOS, none of them are great (save for VLC, which isn't iOS specific). The alternative would be to replace all those devices with AppleTVs, which would be prohibitively expensive at the moment.
Of course, I'm a power user, so iOS is a poor fit for me anyway. I like that I can setup impromptu servers to move files back and forth between my Android devices, that I can run a different launcher (almost invariably Nova launcher), etc. In fact, the biggest thing keeping me on Android is the fact that I can move files around trivially between devices or servers without having to deal with iTunes or some other app. Just trying to organize music, video, and e-books on my iPad was enough to make me switch to the Tab S2 in the first place.
Every time I get fed up with Android's quirks (or Samsung's quirks), or I pick up one of my family's iPads, I inevitably run into one of the limitations that made me go with Android in the first place.