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Universal doesn't offer Corporate Install on hard reset

Hi,
I've just obtained an O2 XDA Exec on ebay that was someone's unwanted upgrade.
Within a few days of getting it, it seemed to be unstable and I decided on the CORPORATE re-INSTALL after reading on forums about bloatware and sluggish performance.
The problem is that it nolonger offers the corporate install on hard reset. I've tried several times and it simply goes through the routine of asking me to select 0 or X to go for the factory defaults or not, I choose appropriately and it then takes me through stuff like calibrating the screen and setting passwords etc. There is no mention of corporate install at all anymore, although I did see it once when I first got it and before I knew there was a pin number to allow the clean install.
To get around this nuisance, I have done a soft reset BEFORE it starts to customise the machine, and as far as I can tell, there is no O2 software installed. I think it runs faster too. After setting up, a screen message says, 'Customisation will begin in three seconds,' and at that point I pressed the reset button. When it restarted, it just came up without visible O2 software.
My question is this, have I managed to create a dodge which allows the corporate install? I'm on T-mobile pay as you go and have set up the 3 g settings manually.
What do you techie wizards think - do I need to do anything else.
PS....
Sorry if this seems like a greenhorn problem, but before I did the reinstall, I thought the thing was hanging up when carried it in my trouser pocket because sometimes it seemed dead and had to have a soft reset. Obviously, this made it useless as a phone. However, I now think it just had the backlight disabled by the on/off button being depressed accidentally for a couple of seconds while I was moving about, and it wasn't dead at all. I've noticed that when it does appear to be hung up with a black screen, if I depress the on / off button for a second or two, the screen comes on again. I wonder if this is possibly why some people complain that it keeps having to be reset? I was well displeased for about five days until I noticed that I could reverse the apparently dead machine by pressing and holding that button. I've replicated the dark screen and the solution repeatedly now by holding in that button.

Hadware Buttons Not Responsive

Hi all
I bought a JasJam about an year ago, and it has been working fine.
About 5 weeks ago, I flashed it with HardSPL 7, Radio 1.50 and Schap's 3.60a.
It worked fine till yesterday when suddenly following buttons stopped working: IE, Messaging, Left & right soft keys, start, ok, green & red buttons. Rest of the buttons, keyboard etc are fine. There was no impact, no "sudden movements". The buttons just stopped working! I mean, one minute they were fine and the next minute, they were screwed.
I have done following to fix this (in order)
1. Soft reset
2. Hard reset (which shows that there is no problem with the hardware)
3. Flashing with Schap's ROM again
4. Flashing with 3des ROM
5. Flashing with Sleuth's ROM
6. Flashing with Cingular (WM5)
And still, no use! Buttons still don't work.
Any help would be highly appreciated.

Does the silence says: You have to live with it.
???

More Updates :s
Now I am not able to delete anything I type. :s Not even while using the onscreen keyboard! I can see that when i tap on the backspace button, it highlights, but the text doesn't get deleted! I have tried this in almost any place which allows you to enter text. :s
I think I will go back to my original shipped ROM and bootloader. :S

Strange stuff happening! Downgrading to olipro 1.10 has solved the backspace problem. How can a bootloader affect a function like that? :s

Back to shipped bootloader and ROM (not the radio) Still the buttons are not functional.
I also opened up the phone and cleaned the buttons, made sure all connections are properly in place. Put everything back together, and no, the buttons don't work.
What do I do?

I have tried a thousand other bootloaders, radios and ROMs... But these buttons wouldn't work?
Where are the geniuses like oli?

I have the exact same issue.. I have pretty much tried all SPL/Radio/ROM/App combinations, including the 1.01 IPL, original SPL, and WM5 that ships on the Tytn from HTC... And, just like you, the keys sometimes work, and then suddenly they stop. Restart or hard-reset seldom brings them back. I know it's not hardware issue because holding down the "-" and "-" keys while resetting always works. I also observe the LEDs on the front panel go all whacky. Sometimes the power LED, which normally blinks on battey power turns on and stays that way; sometimes it doesn't come on at all.
My guy feeling is that this is not ROM related, and somewhere along the line while I was enjoying the "flash-o-palooza", something got corrupted in the flash memory.
I am now looking for a method to do a "harder-reset" that will clean out the whole thing, reflash the bootloader and build it from scratch.

I think the buttons are not properly passing interrept requests to the OS, which as you correctly mentioned is a flash memory / bios problem. (I don't know a lot about hermes architecture)
HTC provides a diagnostic sd card in which you can check if the buttons work fine. I will try to get my hands on one of those.

Did you try going back to Wm5?

whistler4ever said:
Did you try going back to Wm5?
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Yep.. Many times.

any luck with this? can u get to bootloader mode with the keys?

not believing that it would be hardware problem, I disassembled already some times my TyTn and I did not have sucess. If someone have sucess, post here please

the only obvious thing is that the keybddr.dll driver is not be loaded properly. how do u normally load the rom's? do u let the software boot the phone, or do you put it in bootloader mode first?

as I use a Windows Vista, the ROM upgrader have to be done in the Bootloader Mode
But, Sometimes the buttons works, and in next minute, they die again
its a misterious

Hardware buttons also not working
I am also experiecing this problem. Occasionally the hardware buttons will work, then if I open the slider they stop working. I have also tried updating firmware etc.. but it hasn't helped. The buttons will work if i press the left and right keys while pressing the reset key to do a hard reset. They work every time doing this, so it seems like a software problem. But I don't understand how a s/w problem like this can remain there even after firmware update and hard resets.
I have opened the phone up several times, because I have another problem, or two. As much as I love the phone it has been totally unreliable. It shipped with the LCD not working, I diagnosed that as a faulty ribbon cable, which I replaced, that made the LCD work. But then the earpiece speaker and the front camera didn't work. Now this problem... this is starting to drive me crazy.......

Hi, I have the same problem, I think. Sometimes when I play games, browse the phone or slide down the keybord the buttons below the screen just stop working. I have also tried to flash different roms, but to no good. There is a temp fix thou but it work slow sometimes, if I scroll with the wheel for a bit(the scroll time varies) the button seem to work, but only for a little while.
Does anyone have any news on this issue, cause i can't use any program that need these buttons.

I also have this problem, I guess I'll have to send it in to get it fixed :|

Problem Solved
I have managed to resolve the problem. It started compounding which made me think that it had to be a hardware problem. The first symptoms were that the front bottom hardware keys stopped working. Then the LCD would not align properly after sliding the keyboard, so I would have a white bar at the top and/or left of the screen.
Next the top hardware buttons stopped working, and then finally all I had was a white screen with nothing on it.
I replaced the flex cable that connects the front of the phone to the main board and it has solved all of my problems. I had already replaced this cable when I first got the phone because the one that came was with it was faulty. Now after just a few months of use the replacement one wore out as well. It seems to be the weak link in the build of these phones.

crajoh said:
I have managed to resolve the problem. It started compounding which made me think that it had to be a hardware problem. The first symptoms were that the front bottom hardware keys stopped working. Then the LCD would not align properly after sliding the keyboard, so I would have a white bar at the top and/or left of the screen.
Next the top hardware buttons stopped working, and then finally all I had was a white screen with nothing on it.
I replaced the flex cable that connects the front of the phone to the main board and it has solved all of my problems. I had already replaced this cable when I first got the phone because the one that came was with it was faulty. Now after just a few months of use the replacement one wore out as well. It seems to be the weak link in the build of these phones.
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I don’t think you got the same problem as us, if you check almost all the other button problem threads they are about the white screen but since we in this thread have not gotten any white screens or some of the other symptoms I'm quite sure it’s not the same. Also some with our problem have tried to change the flex cable but it has not fixed the problem.
*edit - I did not put the angry smiley on this post.

Me too!Anybody can soleve it?I found that when they aren't woring,we can touch on screen or press ok button on the left once or twice,they work again!

Wizard is Frozen - It won't start. Someone help pls??

Hi, I would really appreciate anyones help with this. My brother went on holiday and left me his 02 XDA Mini S (I found out here its also called a Wizard?), and I had no problems using it for about 3 days - was just testing the various features.
I found my brothers contacts - and since its now a hand me down so I wanted to remove all these etc - I asked my brother what to do and he said do a Hard Reset. I found out in the Manual how to do it - I press the Communication Button and the voice command button and use the reset and nothing happened. I asked my brother and he said use the communication and voice button and then turn it on, that sometimes works - and it did. The screen showed:
Press Send to restore factory default...
I pressed the send button and it said it formatted. I was happy, it turned on, I did the set up - everything was working. Then at the end of the day I turned it off and in the morning I turned it on - all the screen shows now is the screen which first comes on - 02 with and underwater bubbles thing, and four lines -
IPL 2.21.0001
SPL 2.21.0001
GSM 02.07.10
OS 2.21.4.1
in red.
It won't go to the next screen - which I think says windows mobile. It just stays at the first screen when I turn it on - and has these four lines
Can anyone help me please? My brother will be back from holiday soon and he will be very upset with me if he finds I ruined his phone
please please please help me - i'm not as good with technology as you guys
Jocelyn

Try and get into bootloader mode by holding down the camera button and soft resetting your device. From bootloader mode you can flash back to the factory rom that was on the phone or wizard love.

Hi
I found how to go into Bootloader mode - my phone now shows three colours. But I'm not sure how to do the rest you mentioned. Could you explain how I should do it step by step please? Sorry!
Jocelyn

He means that you download the orginal rom from your provider and flash it back onto the phone.

Ok
I have made no progress
Here's what I did (please don't laugh - I'm new at all this)
1. I downloaded the active sync software from microsoft, and also downloaded a file i searched through on the forum mentioned by peter, called Wizard Love.
2. I pressed the camera button and soft rest the wizard to go into boot mode
3. I ran active sync - it said no connection.I connected the Wizard and searched - it said that no device was found (but the computer made a sound like it always makes when USB is plugged in). Also on the phone, it showed the word USB at the bottom left of the screen.
4. I extracted the wizard love and double clicked on the file newromupdateutility_wizard_noid.exe
5. When I got to the screen about existing software on the phone it was blank in that section, but it had the option to use the new one, so I proceeded.
6. The Wizard screen switched to a bar and completed 100% within about 5 minutes. Same thing on the computer screen.
7. It shows congratulations - etc.
8. I clossed everything and shut off the computer. Disconnected the wizard and there was a picture like some love cartoon characters - and thats all.it just stayed at that screen for a long time. Finally i thot maybe i should turn it off, but the power button does not work.
9. I used the stylus and did it a soft reset - the phone still froze at the start, with a wizard love cartoon - but the 4 lines i mentioned in my first post were different - it showed different numbers. But it still stuck there.
10. I thought maybe the wizard love is not compatible with my phone? So I went to the 02 XDA mini site, and downloaded the software from there - Xda_Minis_Upgrade_v2.21.4.101. I redid the whole thing, this time with this software.
11. At the end I saw Congratulations! again, but this time the screen had gone back to 02 - and the numbers went back to what was in my original posting. But still the phone does not start - its just stuck at that 02 screen with the 4 red lines.
12. Somone help me please!!! Have I made it worse???
Jocelyn

The Love ROM should work on your phone since it it does not have IPL/SPL (AFAIKnow). However, it seems that the phone itself already have a bit of problem itself. Using the "Xda_Minis_Upgrade_v2.21.4.101" to flash the phone in bootloader mode is the wise thing to do. Probably you'll need to hardreset it again (i.e. what you've done in the very first post).
As far as I can see, you've did nothing wrong on your first post. It seems to be the phone problem. ANYWAY, you may want to note the little issues. Example, do not have the miniSD card in the phone when doing all the stuff said above.. and possible, remove the SIM as well.
Also, sometimes, it takes ages for it to boot up. I'm not sure how long you've waited, but I would say.. give it a good 5 mins to do its bootup to confirm it hanged.

Sorry
I should have mentioned - in both cases when I ran the utility, once I waited at the splash screen for more than 10 minutes and nothing happened, i just tried to do a hard reset. In both cases the words came up, press send to do a reset etc...
but when I press the left (green phone) button (i think that is the send button?) it says format failed everytime.
I searched at some other thread and followed what Zabardast_1 says about flashing and I tried that, it does not work. Is there any other option? Oh i also tried it another time, this time disabling Anti Virus first - but still no luck
Jocelyn

Hmm.. I'm sorry to tell you. Since you have a 'Format fail', you 'officially' have a bricked device. That has something to do with the hardware.. or stuff that doesnt have any thing to do with your flashing.. probably CID unlocking may cause this problem.
ANYWAY, it seems that your only choice is to get it to somewhere to have it fixed. probably you want to make it as official (i.e. use the O2 ROM) before taking it to O2 to have it fixed.

Joypad and Softkeys not responding

I just flashed my girls 8525 and her joypad, softkeys, phone keys aren't responding anymore. They were responding at first, so I just figured a hard reset would do it. But it's still not working. The top message and IE button works though. Also, when I slide the phone open the softkeys there work. I can't even hard reset the phone.

Can you Reflash the phone? Maybe just a bad install.

chipsxj said:
Can you Reflash the phone? Maybe just a bad install.
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Did that already...still not working

I think my phone is having the same problems as yours.
None of the physical buttons on the bottom of my phone are working. My scroll wheel works fine, as do the Power, Comm, and Camera buttons, and all on-screen "buttons" work, but it's like the bottom group of physical buttons on the phone are not responding. It's been somewhat intermittent, but now they're basically not working at all. I can't even hang up the phone with the End key, or activate the dialing pad with my Phone key.
I had done all of the WM6 Cingular upgrades from the Cingular website, and it seems my problems started shortly after that.
Just this morning, I ran the "Clear Storage" command, and now my system is running WM6, Build 18128.0.4.4, ROM version 3.62.502.3, ROM date 10/11/07

Have you tried flashing back to the ROM you had before that was working?
If it is not ROM related.......I would fear some hardware issue exist.
Can you go into the button settings under settings and reassign the button functions?

I'm downloading the ROM from HTC right now @
http://www.america.htc.com/support/8525/software-downloads.html
Will see if that fixes it, then I guess I will have to figure out where the previous ROM versions are archived, and download/install previous versions if this doesn't fix it.
Under the Button settings - the only 4 buttons that it allows you to reassign are all working fine. It's only the buttom cluster of buttons below the screen that are being "tempermental".

Oh - I'm fairly certain it's not hardware related because I can reset the phone, and push the Phone button, but then it quits working. It's like the buttons aren't being released / activated after the first time they're used.
Hopefully the ROM reinstall will fix it...

I'm having the same problem. All soft keys work for a sec after SR but go dead. I don't think it's rom based because I have HTC WM6 Rom, and all my troubles started after I put Pointui on my TYTN. I've Hard reset once already, might have to do it again. Anyone have any ideas why this is happening. I also get occasional white screen, again none of this happened before Pointui.

I get the occasional white screen, and I've never installed the Pointui that you mentioned.

Well, I just reinstalled the current HTC official ROM for the 8525, and without installing anything else, my buttons are still intermittent. I think it's the version of the ROM since the device is essentially "clean", correct?
The buttons seem to consistently function properly ONLY after I roll the scroll wheel. It's most definitely a software glitch.
edit to add: while randomly navigating around, I got the White screen.

Well, I've been on the phone with HTC, and AT&T's warranty department, and was basically told I could shove the phone up my a$$. What a POS operation.
Since my phone is out of warranty, they said if I wanted to do an "Out of warranty exchange", I could politely hand them $497, and they will joyfully ship me a replacement REFURBISHED phone. WTF!?!
In speaking with the warranty repair department, they said they would be HAPPY to take a look at it, and evaluate the problem, and call me with an estimated cost of repairs, of which the absolute minimum cost I would incur would be to the tune of about $129 - I was so appalled, I didn't write down the exact price. I told them I am 100% unwilling to give them money to fix a problem that I feel their software created, politely said goodbye and hung up the phone.
So, I'm essentially stuck with a phone that HTC / AT&T broke via their WM6 ROM update, and they're not willing to do anything (for free) to fix their mistakes.
My phone has suffered NO water damage, and no physical damage.
I did a ROM reinstall this morning, I did a hard reset (pushed the two dash buttons on the bottom cluster and held in the stylus reset button), and the only way I can make the cluster operate is to roll the wheel a few times, and then the buttons work (at least for one or two clicks, and then I have to roll the wheel again).
What a joke.
So, I guess I have to figure out how to revert to a previous WM5 ROM. Is this possible?

Everyone here is getting the same errors as me...the occasional white screen and so on. I've never tried scrolling the wheel to make the buttons recognize. I just hit the power button -> sleep mode -> power button and the buttons work again for a short time. LUCKILY phone is still in warranty and AT&T will ship me a new one <3 Buisness care...I'm thinking it's not software related because I installed schap's windows 6, on every last one of the hermes I've came across(About 10). Something might just be wrong with these hermes.

I have same problem with TYTN.... and what to do???

Okay - I bought a new phone over the weekend. As a last effort to fix the phone, I decided to google my problem, and I actually found the solution in the first link I clicked on. I feel pretty stupid, actually.
Slide your keyboard open, and look at the backside of the screen. The phillips screw at the bottom left of your screen - try loosening and/or tightening that screw. Mine was loose, so I had to tighten mine. My wife dropped my phone a week after I bought it (well over a year ago), and I guess the screw eventually worked itself loose.
My button pad now works like it should.
Guess I'll be taking my new phone back to the store and just keeping the 8525.

Did someone knof will that repair if i downgrade WM6 to WM5?

same thing is happening to my X01HT, wheel then it works for a few times and then it stops agian, wtf!?

WM5 downgrade did not resolve front buttons problems
ivanish said:
Did someone knof will that repair if i downgrade WM6 to WM5?
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I have had the same problem for quite a while now. I upgraded from the official WM5 that came with the TyTN to the official WM6. After a while the buttons on the front started to be intermittent. As well as the memory card "disappearing" and QWERTY keyword randomly dying (resulting in display fixed to landscape mode), both resulted in a hard reset to resolve. Anyway, to cut a long story short I contacted HTC who said they would repair the problems under warranty (as it was still in warranty) but due to my very misfortune the device suffered liquid ingress THE DAY BEFORE I SENT IT OFF!!! Thereby voiding the warranty (as notified by HTC after inspecting the device).
So, I would have to sort this out myself. I tried various unofficial ROMs, all of which work "for a while" (maybe a day or two) and then go back to being intermittent, and then not working completely. I have also used a WM6.1 ROM which seemed to work for a lot longer, but then stopped working just like the rest.
As of today I finally downgraded from WM6.1 as I was reluctant to do so before as I love some of the new features of WM6.1. But I took the plunge to see if it would resolve the button problem, as it was becoming a pain not having those buttons working. And the answer is........NO! After just a few minutes of me setting the device up the buttons ceased working.
I find the problem quite strange. I am a computer professional with an electronics background, and I am not convinced the problem is either software or hardware related (i.e. I am not convinced which is the problem). I have dismantled the phone on two occasions and all connections are connected perfectly. I have changed the ROM numerous times and tried different version of WM but all to no avail. One of HTC's solutions is to check whether a button is stuck, but all buttons are fine.
I have recently purchased Tomb Raider for Pocket PC, and within that game I have on numerous occasions "lost" the front buttons (on the occasions that the buttons were working). I happen to play about with other buttons, and after pressing the Comm Manager button all the front buttons returned to working order (but then they would stop working again shortly after). I tried this numerous times in Windows Mobile (6.1) when the buttons ceased working and it did not resolve the problem, however it still does in Tomb Raider.
After downgrading to WM5 I have noticed that with every power on and power off all the buttons and lights works correctly (in WM6.x if the buttons had ceased working then the lights would remain on even when in standby). So, it would appear in WM5 you can restore the buttons functionality by pressing the standby button twice (once to turn it off and once to turn it back on).
So, I am puzzled. Is it hardware or is it software? Any ideas? Is it a driver issue? Is it not informing a chip somewhere to power up the buttons? Is it a loose connection? Who knows? HTC certainly will not tell me (obvisouly because they want me to pay for them to repair it).
So, any ideas?
Adam
BTW the memory card problem and QWERTY keyboard problem were resolved by using an unofficial ROM.

Check that the "ok" button next ot the jog wheel is not stuck. Seems mine is, need to open the phone up and fix it.

I actually do not have problems with the D-pad but I'm getting problem with the Answer(green) and Hang Up(red) button...
Anyhow... anyone has a solution since then?

similar problems
hi i thought i would join this discussion as i have been having similar problems with my tmobile vario 2. i had it for a year with no problems and then the day i upgraded it to an orange tytn II the bottom buttons stopped working. i have taken the whole phone apart to check connections and everything seems fine and when i put it back together the buttons work fine for about a minute and then stop again. i have been tearing my hair out, i still have the original wm5 installed that came with the phone and before it stopped working it had been kept very well and not been knocked or dropped or anything. All the buttons on the top and side and the control pad and center button at the bottom work the only buttons that dont work are the 6 at the side of the control pad which pretty much renders the phone useless as a phone.
IF ANYONE SOLVES THIS PROBLEM OR HAS SIMILAR EXPERIENCES PLEASE CONTACT ME!!

Part of screen not working

For the past few weeks I noticed I couldn't respond to posts unless I removed the keyboard and brought the button to the bottom of the screen.
Then I realised that area of the screen just did not respond to anything, like in contacts I couldn't select letters in that area.
I enabled screen touches and they were showing up but there was no response from the OS.
I did a search and one fix was to clear the cache in recovery, which worked for a few hours maybe.
The next step is factory reset which I'll do if it's a permanent fix, but I'd rather not otherwise if I really just need a new phone.
No root so any backup will not be a full one so I'd rather just start again on a new phone if that's what it takes.
Has anyone had this?
Mine is the international version.

Well, today I mentioned this to work mate as it's been rather annoying so I prepared a screen to show them the issue at the store and now it's been working ever since.
Up until at least yesterday it was still happening. Very confusing as I was going to bite the bullet and backup what I could and try a new phone as it doesn't seem like a widespread problem.

Part of Touch Screen not working
I have the same issue with my S7 Edge too. It's really annoying especially when you are typing a message and can't send it because that particular area of the screen is not responding to touch. Now I have to type in a message and close the keyboard just to bring the send button down and tap on it. The issue gets solved when i restart the device but the problem continues after a few hours of normal use. Does anyone have a solution to this , Please?

Ok, my phone did reboot last night so it will probably come back.
You have exactly the same symptoms as me.

My girlfriend has the AT&T version of this phone and she has had the same exact problem the past few weeks. Like someone above said, it's right where the send button is in the SMS app.
I wonder what this issue could be?
Sent from my SM-G935F using XDA-Developers mobile app

Well, you can blow me over with a feather as mine has been fine now for about three days, since I was about to show them in the store and ask for a new one.