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[Q] Knox present or not ?

I have a samsung galaxy s4 i9500 running Android 4.3 ( firmware I9500XXUEMJ9) (country-India).
I have updated to Android 4.3 officially. ()Now I see a knox shortcut icon , When I tap on it , I see a screen to download knox. (see the image below).
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Also when I go to download mode , I see nothing related to knox warranty bit. So , does that mean my s4 is knox free ?
I wish to root my phone without loosing warranty according to the following thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317105
Can I flash "PDA_I9500XXUEMJ9_KNOXFREE_ROOT_ODEX" and the binary counter/knox flag (if it exits) will not change ?
[I wanted to post in that thread but I am not allowed to ]
Please help me. I want to root without loosing warranty.

sakshamdhawan said:
I have a samsung galaxy s4 i9500 running Android 4.3 ( firmware I9500XXUEMJ9) (country-India).
After updating to 4.3 , I see a knox shortcut icon , When I tap on it , I see a screen to download knox. (see the image below).
Also when I go to download mode , I see nothing related to knox warranty bit. So , does that mean my s4 is knox free ?
I wish to root my phone without loosing warranty according to the following thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317105
Can I flash "PDA_I9500XXUEMJ9_KNOXFREE_ROOT_ODEX" and the binary counter/knox flag (if it exits) will not change ?
[I wanted to post in that thread but I am not allowed to ]
Please help me. I want to root without loosing warranty.
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Nahhh... It's not possible, if you flash non-knox (knox freer) ROM, and then your phone still asks for KNOX - Idk... Just try to reflash your firmware.
Try to go to custom recovery menu (flash it if you don't have), that in the CWM (or phillz - whatever) try to format /system and /data. Wipe data and cache, try to flash firmware via odin again.. That's my solution and will probably works.
But - check your apps list - if you can find app KNOX or somethings like that (in the name "knox"), download root uninstall app, delete knox notification and knox... Just search

sakshamdhawan said:
I have a samsung galaxy s4 i9500 running Android 4.3 ( firmware I9500XXUEMJ9) (country-India).
After updating to 4.3 , I see a knox shortcut icon , When I tap on it , I see a screen to download knox. (see the image below).
Also when I go to download mode , I see nothing related to knox warranty bit. So , does that mean my s4 is knox free ?
I wish to root my phone without loosing warranty according to the following thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317105
Can I flash "PDA_I9500XXUEMJ9_KNOXFREE_ROOT_ODEX" and the binary counter/knox flag (if it exits) will not change ?
[I wanted to post in that thread but I am not allowed to ]
Please help me. I want to root without loosing warranty.
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You have already the warranty bit. It is related to Knox warranty void 0x0. It cannot be reseted if it is 1
This firmware PDA_I9500XXUEMJ9_KNOXFREE_ROOT_ODEX if you flash it, your bit will change to 1 because the bootloader sees that the firmware pda is custom

I'm wondering too
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I have the same as Sakshamdhawn. So i am wondering too... Will I lose my warranty if i root my phone.
Actually I'm wondering do I have knox or not
Sent from my GT-I9505 using xda app-developers app

I want to make it clear that I updated to android 4.3 officially.I have not rooted, not installed any custom recovery ..nothing !
So till now my phone status is fully offical .Warranty bit is 0 too.
Now I wish to root and i clearly know Knox bootloader will void the warranty.
But what I am trying to ask is do I have the knox secured bootlooder ? or a knox free bootloader ?
Because I only see the warranty bit and there is no mention of knox in download mode.
This is an image from 19505. There is a mention of knox. But look at the image in my first post - knox is not mentioned in download mode.
If it is not a knox secured bootloader , I only need to worry about the binary counter .And According to this thread , flashing pre rooted rom will not increase binary counter.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317105&page=5
Sorry if am making all this confusing !

sakshamdhawan said:
I want to make it clear that I updated to android 4.3 officially.I have not rooted, not installed any custom recovery ..nothing !
So till now my phone status is fully offical .Warranty bit is 0 too.
Now I wish to root and i clearly know Knox bootloader will void the warranty.
But what I am trying to ask is do I have the knox secured bootlooder ? or a knox free bootloader ?
Because I only see the warranty bit and there is no mention of knox in download mode.
This is an image from 19505. There is a mention of knox. But look at the image in my first post - knox is not mentioned in download mode.
If it is not a knox secured bootloader , I only need to worry about the binary counter .And According to this thread , flashing pre rooted rom will not increase binary counter.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317105&page=5
Sorry if am making all this confusing !
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You have already the knox secure bootloader,I can see in your download mode the warranty bit 0!!!
if your warranty bit is 0, you are in warranty but if it is tripped to 1 you cant reset it. I9505 is a LTE quad core Model and not I9500 the octa core Model.
In our I9505 model, we can see the knox warranty void 0x0 if we have the secured knox bootloader.
But in yours I9500 model, you have the warranty bit 0, it is similar to knox warranty void 0x0 and it tells that you have the secured knox bootloader.
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leveex said:
I'm wondering too
Sent from my GT-I9505 using xda app-developers app
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I have the same as Sakshamdhawn. So i am wondering too... Will I lose my warranty if i root my phone.
Actually I'm wondering do I have knox or not
Sent from my GT-I9505 using xda app-developers app
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reboot to download mode and see there, if knox warranty void 0x0 is present or not

How it's possible to flash firmware and have root without voided warranty?

erikasnoske said:
How it's possible to flash firmware and have root without voided warranty?
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Not possible using stock Samsung bootloader. That 4.3 unknoxed custom rom should have been flashed from stock 4.2.2 over 4.2.2 bootloader, so you would have any kind of Frankenstein, 4.3 rom over 4.2.2 bootloader, and you will never be able to flash a stock rom without consider to get the knox warranty bit. Once installed stock 4.3 with Knox bootloader, warranty bit will always be present, so if you try to flash or root anything the bit will be activated.
Enviado desde mi GT-I9500 usando Tapatalk 2

If u wanna root just root.I tripped d counter within 15 days of purchase.I had 4.3 preinstalled in it.Now it is 0*1
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RISHI RAJ said:
If u wanna root just root.I tripped d counter within 15 days of purchase.I had 4.3 preinstalled in it.Now it is 0*1
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I remember I flashed roms first day I bought it... It was about 4-5 months ago..

[Q] need your help to root N9005 and upgrade it

I just got my note N9005 today , details as attached
I need 2 important things
root for my root apps
custom recovery CWM to have Nand backup and restore options
According to readings there r 2 ways to root
1 - Universal Root de la Vega which offer [KNOX 0x0] and non official rom so u lose OTA, and when u flash CWM u lose also [KNOX 0x0]
2 - CF-Auto-Root which with u lose [KNOX 0x0] and non official rom so u lose OTA
and I think when u flash a stock rom u go back to 100% official state (right?)
Am I right so far?
Ok, now when I started my phone with Kies, I found that there is firmware upgrade is available to my phone as the attached pic, should i root first then upgrade or upgrade then root (i used to use mobile odin pro to inject the root during flashing a new stock rom to keep the root)
If i upgrade via Kies would I lose my apps, settings, data and root (upgrade will wipe), I know that OTA will keep every thing but not sure about root?
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thermax04 said:
I just got my note N9005 today , details as attached
I need 2 important things
root for my root apps
custom recovery CWM to have Nand backup and restore options
According to readings there r 2 ways to root
1 - Universal Root de la Vega which offer [KNOX 0x0] and non official rom so u lose OTA, and when u flash CWM u lose also [KNOX 0x0]
2 - CF-Auto-Root which with u lose [KNOX 0x0] and non official rom so u lose OTA
and I think when u flash a stock rom u go back to 100% official state (right?)
Am I right so far?
Ok, now when I started my phone with Kies, I found that there is firmware upgrade is available to my phone as the attached pic, should i root first then upgrade or upgrade then root (i used to use mobile odin pro to inject the root during flashing a new stock rom to keep the root)
If i upgrade via Kies would I lose my apps, settings, data and root (upgrade will wipe), I know that OTA will keep every thing but not sure about root?
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you will only lose root ,but after you download the update it problem wont install because of root

jaythenut said:
you will only lose root
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do u mean that if i upgrade via kies I will lose root?
jaythenut said:
but after you download the update it problem wont install because of root
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do not understand what u mean!!

thermax04 said:
do u mean that if i upgrade via kies I will lose root?
do not understand what u mean!!
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Yes if you update with kies you will lose root

jaythenut said:
Yes if you update with kies you will lose root
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ok, should i upgrade first then root?

thermax04 said:
ok, should i upgrade first then root?
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Just check there's a root for the new firmware then you are good to go

thermax04 said:
I just got my note N9005 today , details as attached
I need 2 important things
root for my root apps
custom recovery CWM to have Nand backup and restore options
According to readings there r 2 ways to root
1 - Universal Root de la Vega which offer [KNOX 0x0] and non official rom so u lose OTA, and when u flash CWM u lose also [KNOX 0x0]
2 - CF-Auto-Root which with u lose [KNOX 0x0] and non official rom so u lose OTA
and I think when u flash a stock rom u go back to 100% official state (right?)
Am I right so far?
Ok, now when I started my phone with Kies, I found that there is firmware upgrade is available to my phone as the attached pic, should i root first then upgrade or upgrade then root (i used to use mobile odin pro to inject the root during flashing a new stock rom to keep the root)
If i upgrade via Kies would I lose my apps, settings, data and root (upgrade will wipe), I know that OTA will keep every thing but not sure about root?
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Do 1. URDLV first on your current (MJ1) firmware version to get root without tripping knox. If you update to MJ7 first you will get a locked bootloader & will trip knox.
Then update to MJ7 using mobile odin pro 3.85 with a downloaded firmware from sammobile.com
Doing nandroid means installing a custom recovery which would currently trigger knox - no way around this atm. I also want to flash custom recovery and roms, but I'm waiting a couple of months in case a knox-safe method is found.
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dsm52 said:
Do 1. URDLV first on your current (MJ1) firmware version to get root without tripping knox. If you update to MJ7 first you will get a locked bootloader & will trip knox.
Then update to MJ7 using mobile odin pro 3.85 with a downloaded firmware from sammobile.com
Doing nandroid means installing a custom recovery which would currently trigger knox - no way around this atm. I also want to flash custom recovery and roms, but I'm waiting a couple of months in case a knox-safe method is found.
Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
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Can u explain what u mean by : If you update to MJ7 first you will get a locked bootloader
Can u confirm with yes or no: when u flash a stock rom u go back to 100% official state and [KNOX 0x0], after flashing a custom recovery

Custom roms can be installed knox safe
kn0x0ut script
hit 'thanks' if i helped you
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thermax04 said:
Can u explain what u mean by : If you update to MJ7 first you will get a locked bootloader
Can u confirm with yes or no: when u flash a stock rom u go back to 100% official state and [KNOX 0x0], after flashing a custom recovery
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Once Knox is tripped there is NO WAY to reset atm.... You can flash anything you want because it isn't changing to 0x0 again, currently...
Installing root through URDLV WON'Trip knox warranty if you are on MJ1 firmware. As soon as you upgrade your firmware to MJ7 you get a root unfriendly bootloader. Doesn't matter what you use it will trigger Knox 0x1 permanently.
If you root at MJ1 then use Mobile ODIN Pro to upgrade to MJ7 you should be able to go back to MJ1 easily and not have Knox triggered as MOP doesn't flash bootloaders.

ultramag69 said:
Once Knox is tripped there is NO WAY to reset atm.... You can flash anything you want because it isn't changing to 0x0 again, currently...
Installing root through URDLV WON'Trip knox warranty if you are on MJ1 firmware. As soon as you upgrade your firmware to MJ7 you get a root unfriendly bootloader. Doesn't matter what you use it will trigger Knox 0x1 permanently.
If you root at MJ1 then use Mobile ODIN Pro to upgrade to MJ7 you should be able to go back to MJ1 easily and not have Knox triggered as MOP doesn't flash bootloaders.
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Thank u all
Ok, I got it now
Found 2 threads regarding URDLV method, one of them is closed and rooting files are removed, although most of explanation s were about it, second one is a little confusing to me, can u support me here how 2 do it

thermax04 said:
Thank u all
Ok, I got it now
Found 2 threads regarding URBAN method, one of them is closed and rooting files are removed, although most of explanation s were about it, second one is a little confusing to me, can u support me here how 2 do it
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Sure i can:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47390175
Will this work? - Sure look at all those who thanked me for this + i supported many german guys with PM + i did it myself and look at my signature
hit 'thanks' if i helped you
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Killberty said:
Sure i can:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47390175
Will this work? - Sure look at all those who thanked me for this + i supported many german guys with PM + i did it myself and look at my signature
hit 'thanks' if i helped you
SM-N9005 DBT-DMJ7 0x0
XDA Developers 4 premium app
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iam familiar with rooting and flashing, but never seen something like this before, looks very complicated 2 me, needs alot of concentration, will go through it after finish work, or find an easier solution

thermax04 said:
iam familiar with rooting and flashing, but never seen something like this before, looks very complicated 2 me, needs alot of concentration, will go through it after finish work, or find an easier solution
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Cmon bro
This is very easy, just follow the steps as decribed - many ppl who never had an android before made it and thanked me and said it was easy
hit 'thanks' if i helped you
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Root GT-N7100<4.4.2> without tripping KNOX

Hi XDA people,
Just found this workaround for rooting latest 4.4.2 stock firmware without tripping Knox.
This method downgrades the firmware(System & Kernel) on your device to N7100XXUEMK4 except for the bootloader.
Dont even try to downgrade the bootloader as this isn't possible.
What you need:
1.Odin v3.09
2.Stock official N7100XXUFND3 firmware on your device.
3. A device with Knox Warranty Void: 0
Procedure:
1.Download N7100XXUEMK4 Stock Rom from HERE
2. Open the downloaded file.You will find 4 .tar.md5 files and an Odinv3.09 zip file inside.
3. Extract the Odin file and setup Odin on your PC.
4. Next extract the file named AP_N7100XXUEMK4_2099172_REV04_user_low_ship.tar.md5
5. Load this file into AP tab on Odin. Connect your phone in Odin mode and flash this file.
( Note : You have to flash only the AP file from Odin. Do not flash the other files namely CP, CSC, BL)
6. Now once the phone has rebooted go back to download mode and check if Knox has tripped or not.
7. Next use Saferoot from HERE to root your device.
(You would find the guide on how to root using saferoot easily over HERE
8. Now if saferoot was able to root your device then you must be rooted without tripping Knox. :good:
9. Now you can easily flash your official firmware through mobile odin. Select Everroot option on Mobile odin while flashing the new firmware. In this way you wont lose root access.
Known Issues:
If after rooting you want to flash custom recovery via mobile odin, or via DR.Ketan's utilities app please note that it will trip knox.
Knox remains cool until your recovery is stock. The moment a custom recovery is detected knox goes 1.
Credits:
@k1mu for saferoot

Cant you just do this?
Use Mj5 bootloader and any rom 4.x
Flash Kitkat 4.4.2 via mobilOdin and root.
Make sure status is ok (use triangle away if not)
Flash latest 4.4.2 bootloader via Odin (pcOdin)

robalm said:
Cant you just do this?
Use Mj5 bootloader and any rom 4.x
Flash Kitkat 4.4.2 via mobilOdin and root.
Make sure status is ok (use triangle away if not)
Flash latest 4.4.2 bootloader via Odin (pcOdin)
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Surely it can be done that way.
This is for those who already upgraded to the newer builds.
Edit: FYI Triangle Away cannot reset Knox.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

smeet.somaiya said:
Surely it can be done that way.
This is for those who already upgraded to the newer builds.
Edit: FYI Triangle Away cannot reset Knox.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100
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Ok.
What i mean was use Triangle away before you flash the 4.4.2 bootloader to get official status and binary count 0, the knox in MJ5 always stand 0.

robalm said:
Ok.
What i mean was use Triangle away before you flash the 4.4.2 bootloader to get official status and binary count 0, the knox in MJ5 always stand 0.
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Okay. :thumbup:
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

can u do this with 7105 also?

romdroid. said:
can u do this with 7105 also?
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No idea about N7105
Do you know any N7105 stock firmware which is root able by saferoot/kingoroot without tripping knox?
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

smeet.somaiya said:
Okay. :thumbup:
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100
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robalm said:
Ok.
What i mean was use Triangle away before you flash the 4.4.2 bootloader to get official status and binary count 0, the knox in MJ5 always stand 0.
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But wouldn't flashing 4.4.2 BL trigger Knox? I got bit confused with @robalm method
@smeet.somaiya didn't some guy over at general forum under galaxy note 2 india told us that he downgraded from official 4.4.2 to stock 4.3 and his bootloader was downgraded as well?

singhpratik87 said:
But wouldn't flashing 4.4.2 BL trigger Knox? I got bit confused with @robalm method
@smeet.somaiya didn't some guy over at general forum under galaxy note 2 india told us that he downgraded from official 4.4.2 to stock 4.3 and his bootloader was downgraded as well?
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I don't think flashing ND3 BL will trigger knox.
Most of the users already flashed ND3 BL from MJ5 while they were on DN3. It doesn't trigger that way.
And yes about that guy, he never mentioned any detail that he downgraded from ND3 to which firmware of 4.3.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

smeet.somaiya said:
I don't think flashing ND3 BL will trigger knox.
Most of the users already flashed ND3 BL from MJ5 while they were on DN3. It doesn't trigger that way.
And yes about that guy, he never mentioned any detail that he downgraded from ND3 to which firmware of 4.3.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100
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I don't think you kept up with haybill and paarkhi's comments in DN3.They were on mj5 and upgraded to ND3 BL and they got Knoxed
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smeet.somaiya said:
I don't think flashing ND3 BL will trigger knox.
Most of the users already flashed ND3 BL from MJ5 while they were on DN3. It doesn't trigger that way.
And yes about that guy, he never mentioned any detail that he downgraded from ND3 to which firmware of 4.3.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100
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infact you were the one who brought it to mine and haybill's attention that upgrading BL to ND3 triggers Knox ,i'll just ask haybill to send me a screenshot from phone info

singhpratik87 said:
I don't think you kept up with haybill and paarkhi's comments in DN3.They were on mj5 and upgraded to ND3 BL and they got Knoxed
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I did read them. They got knoxed means they got a BL with Knox warranty Void 0. And @paarkhi confirmed it to me
And I really don't think it would trigger knox that way because the bootloader doesn't check the integrity of the firmware on your device when you're flashing the bootloader itself.
Also it doesn't trigger Knox while it boots up the system and finds unauthorized firmware.
Because we don't have Kernel lock and secure boot like on Qualcomm based N3.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

smeet.somaiya said:
I did read them. They got knoxed means they got a BL with Knox warranty Void 0. And @paarkhi confirmed it to me
And I really don't think it would trigger knox that way because the bootloader doesn't check the integrity of the firmware on your device when you're flashing the bootloader itself.
Also it doesn't trigger Knox while it boots up the system and finds unauthorized firmware.
Because we don't have Kernel lock and secure boot like on Qualcomm based N3.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100
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Okay this is all too much for my brain to absorb at this time of the night ,i don't think i actually understand the difference between Knox warranty void and being Knoxed ,i guess since we install de-knoxed ROMs we can't get Knoxed ,just that our warranty goes out the window and we cannot downgrade beyond a certain OS right? If what i stated is wrong then i'll go to bed and dream of knox

singhpratik87 said:
Okay this is all too much for my brain to absorb at this time of the night ,i don't think i actually understand the difference between Knox warranty void and being Knoxed ,i guess since we install de-knoxed ROMs we can't get Knoxed ,just that our warranty goes out the window and we cannot downgrade beyond a certain OS right? If what i stated is wrong then i'll go to bed and dream of knox
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Lol. It's paritally right.
Don't worry buddy I'll help you learn Knox
Being Knoxed is getting that extra line in the download mode.
But this doesn't throw away your warranty. Warranty is lost only when this extra line in download mode ends with 1 instead of 0
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

singhpratik87 said:
But wouldn't flashing 4.4.2 BL trigger Knox? I got bit confused with @robalm method
@smeet.somaiya didn't some guy over at general forum under galaxy note 2 india told us that he downgraded from official 4.4.2 to stock 4.3 and his bootloader was downgraded as well?
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I cant say for sure if flashing only the new 4.4.2 bootloader via odin will trigger knox, i have not tested it myself.
My post was more of a question from me.

robalm said:
I cant say for sure if flashing only the new 4.4.2 bootloader via odin will trigger knox, i have not tested it myself.
My post was more of a question from me.
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In my opinion that shouldn't trip Knox.
Let us know if you test it.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

smeet.somaiya said:
In my opinion that shouldn't trip Knox.
Let us know if you test it.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100
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Have you got any feedback yet?
I do not have the balls to try it, my warranty is still valid and i may need to have it on service in future.

robalm said:
Have you got any feedback yet?
I do not have the balls to try it, my warranty is still valid and i may need to have it on service in future.
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No feedback yet. But one thing i can say for sure that even if this method fails it won't hard rick your phone because we ain't downgrading the BL here.
And I found a similar method on S4 active forums. It seems it works very well.
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smeet.somaiya said:
No feedback yet. But one thing i can say for sure that even if this method fails it won't hard rick your phone because we ain't downgrading the BL here.
And I found a similar method on S4 active forums. It seems it works very well.
Sent from my GT-N7100 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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Ok.
But KNOX will trigger by flashing anything that is not samsung official? (same as the binary counter)

robalm said:
Ok.
But KNOX will trigger by flashing anything that is not samsung official? (same as the binary counter)
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Yes it would trigger by flashing unofficial firmware.
But here we ain't doing that too.
We're just flashing a older kernel+system partition (the whole PDA from MK4) that was vulnerable to root without tripping knox.
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I have DDUFND1. Even kingo doesnt recognize it. How can i get a one click root solution :crying:

[Q] Reflashing Stock 4.4 MJ3 Without tripping Knox

Hi All,
Is there a way to reflash stock firmware without tripping knoxx?
I'm using offical H3G MJ3 firmware without root and I've started getting random reboots. I've tried a factory reset several times and have also gone through my apps to see if any of them are causing it.
I've read conflicting reports saying If I flash official firmware (even if the same) in odin it will trip Knox. Will flashing through kies trip knox aswell?
I'd rather keep Knox 0x0 as I believe it will break MHL if i void it
Thanks

What device do you own?

It's an I9505.
Cheers

symondo12 said:
It's an I9505.
Cheers
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The latest firmware for your phone is this ONE. Installing one stock firmware don't touch KNOX state if you flash it correctly.

Joku1981 said:
The latest firmware for your phone is this ONE. Installing one stock firmware don't touch KNOX state if you flash it correctly.
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Thanks for your reply and providing the link but I already have the firmware. I just need clarification that if I flash the firmware via Odin or kies will it trip knox
Thanks

KNOX.....How will it affect me?

Hi, my phone is less than a week old, I want to root it in order to debloat it initially, but with the possibility of at some point going totally custom.
Now I know there's virtually no way of modifying without tripping KNOX (towelroot does not work with my OS release)......what I need are some clear answers (I've seen a lot of conflicting information) as to what tripping KNOX will mean for the device....
So here are my questions....
1) if I go fully custom, will I be able to return to full stock with Odin?
2) if I return to full stock, will I be able to receive OTA updates?
3) with a tripped device, will I see a KNOX message on normal start up of the phone?
4) is my warranty totally screwed even If I have a totally unrelated hardware issue?
5) is EU Regulation (1999/44/CE) ANY REAL help, or can manufacturers interpret it in their favor?
Thanks in advance......Keith.
Sent from my SM-G900F

keithross39 said:
Hi, my phone is less than a week old, I want to root it in order to debloat it initially, but with the possibility of at some point going totally custom.
Now I know there's virtually no way of modifying without tripping KNOX (towelroot does not work with my OS release)......what I need are some clear answers (I've seen a lot of conflicting information) as to what tripping KNOX will mean for the device....
So here are my questions....
1) if I go fully custom, will I be able to return to full stock with Odin?
2) if I return to full stock, will I be able to receive OTA updates?
3) with a tripped device, will I see a KNOX message on normal start up of the phone?
4) is my warranty totally screwed even If I have a totally unrelated hardware issue?
5) is EU Regulation (1999/44/CE) ANY REAL help, or can manufacturers interpret it in their favor?
Thanks in advance......Keith.
Sent from my SM-G900F
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1) Yes, you just need to download firmware from sammobile and flash it with Odin
2) By going to fully custom you trip knox to 0x1 and theoretically you can`t get OTA updates but I received it after I had knox 0x1 and on fully stock ROM
3) No
4) Yes if you send it to Samsung service
5) I don`t even know what that is

Thank you for your reply.....
Number 5 is an EU ruling that covers consumer protection and statutory warranty and it *appears* to contradict what Samsung says about KNOX voiding warranty.....The thing is, I'm not a lawyer so I can't be 100% certain......
Sent from my SM-G900F

Honestly i don't know if that EU rulling has any real application or at least it doesn't in every country because Samsung or their repair centers will check for knox and will use that excuse to avoid fixing the phone under warranty for something that a rom or mod wouldn't cause.
But it also depends on who repairs your phone and if they check that or not, so is really just rolling the dice.

Lol...I guess you're right.....
I'm gonna root this beast anyway, it's just that it would have been good to get a watertight legal perspective first......
It's a shame that the legal profession seems to have little interest in rooting their phones.....
Sent from my SM-G900F

Here's a screen shot of an email I just sent to Samsung UK......
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It'll be interesting to see what (if any) reply I get from them.......
I'll update here if/when they do reply......
Sent from my SM-G900F

If you follow the steps of the tutorial here on the s5 section of xda you shouldn't have a problem with knox. I rooted my s5 and it didn't trip knox, the only thing that changed was the status from "oficial" to "custom", but after reflash a stock rom on odin and not rooting it, it went back to saying "official", so they can't claim i rooted the phone.
So, as long as you keep stock (not custom recovery and custom roms) and just root following the steps on the tutorial, it should be fine.
Many of the big companies use root detection systems and don't support root and they use that to decide if they fix the phone or not. Most of the times the problem is unrelated to software but they still claim it. Its a bit of a grey are and depends on the company. I do remember reading that there were some countries where root was considered legal and i think the UK was one of them, so i might get a positive reply from them but im not sure.

Are you talking about this thread?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2699648
If so, I already tried towelroot and it failed, which means I have to downgrade to an earlier version of the OS in order to root.....The only trouble with that being that I looked on sammobile and there didn't appear to be an earlier OS from my carrier.......
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No, this one : http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/general/how-to-root-triggering-knox-2nd-method-t2843044
That's the one i followed without flag knox. If towelroot didn't give you knox 0x1, then you can try that method to keep 0x0 when you root.

Ah ok cheers mate.......
So let me see if I've got this right......
First the build and baseband numbers on my phone both say ANG2.
So.......
1) Odin (3.09) flash ANE2 kernel.
2) Reboot, install towelroot and root
3) Reboot into download mode and reflash ANG2 kernel.
4) Reboot as normal.
No data wipes required?
Won't re flashing the original kernel kill root?
Can I use mobile odin to re flash the original kernel?
Edit.......just had a thought, could the flash kernel that mobile odin uses trigger KNOX?
Sent from my SM-G900F

Ah.....don't think it's gonna work mate.....just put my glasses on and had a closer read......
It says to have towelroot installed before flashing the temporary kernel......
I can't even get towelroot to install.....Every time I try I get a pop up box appearing that says something about security. If I press install anyway, it simply fails........
Sent from my SM-G900F

keithross39 said:
Ah ok cheers mate.......
So let me see if I've got this right......
First the build and baseband numbers on my phone both say ANG2.
So.......
1) Odin (3.09) flash ANE2 kernel.
2) Reboot, install towelroot and root
3) Reboot into download mode and reflash ANG2 kernel.
4) Reboot as normal.
No data wipes required?
Won't re flashing the original kernel kill root?
Can I use mobile odin to re flash the original kernel?
Edit.......just had a thought, could the flash kernel that mobile odin uses trigger KNOX?
Sent from my SM-G900F
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That's it!
I don't remember making any wipes, so i don't think they are needed.I followed those stepsand the kernel didn't change the root.
I don't know if you can use mobile odin, i would use the pc version just to be sure.
Also don't forget these steps:
5. DISABLE REACTIVATION LOCK
6. IF YOUR DEVICE IS ENCRYPTED, DECRYPT IT
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That security warning is probably because you have the option to not allow unkown apps to install, which is on by default. Go to settings-security-tick unknown sources and untick app verification

Uh......probably being thick, but never seen this version of odin before. Which button do I click to insert the kernel?
Sent from my SM-G900F

It's on the AP button and then find the kernel

griffin_1 said:
It's on the AP button and then find the kernel
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Ah ok fella......see you on the other side lol.
Sent from my SM-G900F

@griffin_1 You sir, are a scholar and a gent........
Rooted and KNOX at 0x0......
Many many thanks........
Sent from my SM-G900F

No problem! Im glad it worked well for you also The devs behind the root and tutorial deserve props for giving us a way to fully enjoy our phone without compromise the warranty.
Enjoy the root freedom

Well.....The emails continue......
This is how Samsung replied to my email.....
And this is how I replied....
Just have to wait and see what happens now........

Samsung's final reply to me.......
I think it's pretty obvious that Samsung's policy is to "wash it's hands" of anybody who modifies their phones........
sent from my rooted Kn0x0 SM-G900f

Keep us posted on their reply. But honestly i don't think it will change much from the "it voids the warranty" claim they like to use