Hi, my phone is less than a week old, I want to root it in order to debloat it initially, but with the possibility of at some point going totally custom.
Now I know there's virtually no way of modifying without tripping KNOX (towelroot does not work with my OS release)......what I need are some clear answers (I've seen a lot of conflicting information) as to what tripping KNOX will mean for the device....
So here are my questions....
1) if I go fully custom, will I be able to return to full stock with Odin?
2) if I return to full stock, will I be able to receive OTA updates?
3) with a tripped device, will I see a KNOX message on normal start up of the phone?
4) is my warranty totally screwed even If I have a totally unrelated hardware issue?
5) is EU Regulation (1999/44/CE) ANY REAL help, or can manufacturers interpret it in their favor?
Thanks in advance......Keith.
Sent from my SM-G900F
keithross39 said:
Hi, my phone is less than a week old, I want to root it in order to debloat it initially, but with the possibility of at some point going totally custom.
Now I know there's virtually no way of modifying without tripping KNOX (towelroot does not work with my OS release)......what I need are some clear answers (I've seen a lot of conflicting information) as to what tripping KNOX will mean for the device....
So here are my questions....
1) if I go fully custom, will I be able to return to full stock with Odin?
2) if I return to full stock, will I be able to receive OTA updates?
3) with a tripped device, will I see a KNOX message on normal start up of the phone?
4) is my warranty totally screwed even If I have a totally unrelated hardware issue?
5) is EU Regulation (1999/44/CE) ANY REAL help, or can manufacturers interpret it in their favor?
Thanks in advance......Keith.
Sent from my SM-G900F
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1) Yes, you just need to download firmware from sammobile and flash it with Odin
2) By going to fully custom you trip knox to 0x1 and theoretically you can`t get OTA updates but I received it after I had knox 0x1 and on fully stock ROM
3) No
4) Yes if you send it to Samsung service
5) I don`t even know what that is
Thank you for your reply.....
Number 5 is an EU ruling that covers consumer protection and statutory warranty and it *appears* to contradict what Samsung says about KNOX voiding warranty.....The thing is, I'm not a lawyer so I can't be 100% certain......
Sent from my SM-G900F
Honestly i don't know if that EU rulling has any real application or at least it doesn't in every country because Samsung or their repair centers will check for knox and will use that excuse to avoid fixing the phone under warranty for something that a rom or mod wouldn't cause.
But it also depends on who repairs your phone and if they check that or not, so is really just rolling the dice.
Lol...I guess you're right.....
I'm gonna root this beast anyway, it's just that it would have been good to get a watertight legal perspective first......
It's a shame that the legal profession seems to have little interest in rooting their phones.....
Sent from my SM-G900F
Here's a screen shot of an email I just sent to Samsung UK......
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It'll be interesting to see what (if any) reply I get from them.......
I'll update here if/when they do reply......
Sent from my SM-G900F
If you follow the steps of the tutorial here on the s5 section of xda you shouldn't have a problem with knox. I rooted my s5 and it didn't trip knox, the only thing that changed was the status from "oficial" to "custom", but after reflash a stock rom on odin and not rooting it, it went back to saying "official", so they can't claim i rooted the phone.
So, as long as you keep stock (not custom recovery and custom roms) and just root following the steps on the tutorial, it should be fine.
Many of the big companies use root detection systems and don't support root and they use that to decide if they fix the phone or not. Most of the times the problem is unrelated to software but they still claim it. Its a bit of a grey are and depends on the company. I do remember reading that there were some countries where root was considered legal and i think the UK was one of them, so i might get a positive reply from them but im not sure.
Are you talking about this thread?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2699648
If so, I already tried towelroot and it failed, which means I have to downgrade to an earlier version of the OS in order to root.....The only trouble with that being that I looked on sammobile and there didn't appear to be an earlier OS from my carrier.......
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No, this one : http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/general/how-to-root-triggering-knox-2nd-method-t2843044
That's the one i followed without flag knox. If towelroot didn't give you knox 0x1, then you can try that method to keep 0x0 when you root.
Ah ok cheers mate.......
So let me see if I've got this right......
First the build and baseband numbers on my phone both say ANG2.
So.......
1) Odin (3.09) flash ANE2 kernel.
2) Reboot, install towelroot and root
3) Reboot into download mode and reflash ANG2 kernel.
4) Reboot as normal.
No data wipes required?
Won't re flashing the original kernel kill root?
Can I use mobile odin to re flash the original kernel?
Edit.......just had a thought, could the flash kernel that mobile odin uses trigger KNOX?
Sent from my SM-G900F
Ah.....don't think it's gonna work mate.....just put my glasses on and had a closer read......
It says to have towelroot installed before flashing the temporary kernel......
I can't even get towelroot to install.....Every time I try I get a pop up box appearing that says something about security. If I press install anyway, it simply fails........
Sent from my SM-G900F
keithross39 said:
Ah ok cheers mate.......
So let me see if I've got this right......
First the build and baseband numbers on my phone both say ANG2.
So.......
1) Odin (3.09) flash ANE2 kernel.
2) Reboot, install towelroot and root
3) Reboot into download mode and reflash ANG2 kernel.
4) Reboot as normal.
No data wipes required?
Won't re flashing the original kernel kill root?
Can I use mobile odin to re flash the original kernel?
Edit.......just had a thought, could the flash kernel that mobile odin uses trigger KNOX?
Sent from my SM-G900F
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That's it!
I don't remember making any wipes, so i don't think they are needed.I followed those stepsand the kernel didn't change the root.
I don't know if you can use mobile odin, i would use the pc version just to be sure.
Also don't forget these steps:
5. DISABLE REACTIVATION LOCK
6. IF YOUR DEVICE IS ENCRYPTED, DECRYPT IT
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That security warning is probably because you have the option to not allow unkown apps to install, which is on by default. Go to settings-security-tick unknown sources and untick app verification
Uh......probably being thick, but never seen this version of odin before. Which button do I click to insert the kernel?
Sent from my SM-G900F
It's on the AP button and then find the kernel
griffin_1 said:
It's on the AP button and then find the kernel
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Ah ok fella......see you on the other side lol.
Sent from my SM-G900F
@griffin_1 You sir, are a scholar and a gent........
Rooted and KNOX at 0x0......
Many many thanks........
Sent from my SM-G900F
No problem! Im glad it worked well for you also The devs behind the root and tutorial deserve props for giving us a way to fully enjoy our phone without compromise the warranty.
Enjoy the root freedom
Well.....The emails continue......
This is how Samsung replied to my email.....
And this is how I replied....
Just have to wait and see what happens now........
Samsung's final reply to me.......
I think it's pretty obvious that Samsung's policy is to "wash it's hands" of anybody who modifies their phones........
sent from my rooted Kn0x0 SM-G900f
Keep us posted on their reply. But honestly i don't think it will change much from the "it voids the warranty" claim they like to use
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I updated 3 weeks ago to BTU MH8 with knox components and all is perfect., Knox warranty 0x00....
Since my phone originally was ITV (Italy) I'd like to recover the original CSC to ITV with the new firmare ITV MHB released today.
Is there any problem, with knox installed, to flash MHB with Odin? I'm going to sell my S4 and I prefer to return it to the original status.
Thank you
Umberto
umberto.sulla said:
I updated 3 weeks ago to BTU MH8 with knox components and all is perfect., Knox warranty 0x00....
Since my phone originally was ITV (Italy) I'd like to recover the original CSC to ITV with the new firmare ITV MHB released today.
Is there any problem, with knox installed, to flash MHB with Odin? I'm going to sell my S4 and I prefer to return it to the original status.
Thank you
Umberto
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I would like to know if you can flash with KNOX (using ODIN)?
Guys, all NEW FW's have KNOX on-board and most important the NEW irreversible Bootloader.
You can flash new FW through Odin but it MUST be newer or the same version as your current build.
For example, if you're using XXUDMH8 then you can flash ONLY firmwares with XXU.. on the beginning and anything greater than ...MH8
You can use XXUDMHB as it's newer FW.. it goes from 1-9 and A-Z..
Simple as that..
DjeMBeY said:
Guys, all NEW FW's have KNOX on-board and most important the NEW irreversible Bootloader.
You can flash new FW through Odin but it MUST be newer or the same version as your current build.
For example, if you're using XXUDMH8 then you can flash ONLY firmwares with XXU.. on the beginning and anything greater than ...MH8
You can use XXUDMHB as it's newer FW.. it goes from 1-9 and A-Z..
Simple as that..
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Thank you for you isimple answer... I only want to be sure that changing CSC from BTU to DTM to ITV etc (going ahead with fw versions) is allowed ...
I don't want to brick my device
DjeMBeY said:
Guys, all NEW FW's have KNOX on-board and most important the NEW irreversible Bootloader.
You can flash new FW through Odin but it MUST be newer or the same version as your current build.
For example, if you're using XXUDMH8 then you can flash ONLY firmwares with XXU.. on the beginning and anything greater than ...MH8
You can use XXUDMHB as it's newer FW.. it goes from 1-9 and A-Z..
Simple as that..
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Are you 100% sure about that?
I heard once you have KNOX warranty void 0x1 then no matter what firmware you're trying to flash Odin will fail. Even if it's a newer firmware.
I hope you're right and they're wrong.
Obagleyfreer said:
Are you 100% sure about that?
I heard once you have KNOX warranty void 0x1 then no matter what firmware you're trying to flash Odin will fail. Even if it's a newer firmware.
I hope you're right and they're wrong.
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??? What are you talking about??
I've got KNOX WARRANTY VOID 0x1 and no probs at all, you can flash whatever you want through Odin (same or upwards FW's ONLY)
My KNOX Status got messed up while installing MGG and now I'm running pre-rooted XXUDMI1
DjeMBeY said:
??? What are you talking about??
I've got KNOX WARRANTY VOID 0x1 and no probs at all, you can flash whatever you want through Odin (same or upwards FW's ONLY)
My KNOX Status got messed up while installing MGG and now I'm running pre-rooted XXUDMI1
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Ok, updated to MHB through Odin and no problem.
Status Knox Warranty still 0x00
umberto.sulla said:
Ok, updated to MHB through Odin and no problem.
Status Knox Warranty still 0x00
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Yeah, DO NOT flash any Custom Recovery nor Root and your status will stay at 0x0..
You can flash any newer FW but think twice as you can't go back if you don't like it...
No knox voice in my download mode:
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"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
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is it hidden or is normal until you flash the new knox bootloader?
Diomorgan said:
No knox voice in my download mode:
....
is it hidden or is normal until you flash the new knox bootloader?
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You have OLD bootloader, no KNOX in it... You're safe for now..
BTW, your Download Mode will look different after you flash new FW..
DjeMBeY said:
You have OLD bootloader, no KNOX in it... You're safe for now..
BTW, your Download Mode will look different after you flash new FW..
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Thank you for the fast answer, so I'll wait untill you'll release the superslim MI1 to keep my old bootloader
Do you have any picture for the new knox counter on the bootloader of MH8?
mkh.mourad said:
Do you have any picture for the new knox counter on the bootloader of MH8?
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It's NOT a counter, it's flag, stays at 0x1 no matter how many times you flash..
here is the picture http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45877809&postcount=108
DjeMBeY said:
It's NOT a counter, it's flag, stays at 0x1 no matter how many times you flash..
here is the picture http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45877809&postcount=108
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hmmmmm
That's a great problem. I stay using my UBMGA firmware.
DjeMBeY said:
??? What are you talking about??
I've got KNOX WARRANTY VOID 0x1 and no probs at all, you can flash whatever you want through Odin (same or upwards FW's ONLY)
My KNOX Status got messed up while installing MGG and now I'm running pre-rooted XXUDMI1
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But you didn't flash the bootloader, did you?
So if you have new bootloader and knox 0x1 status you can still flash stock firmware in Odin and run it fine, even with stock kernel?
mkh.mourad said:
hmmmmm
That's a great problem. I stay using my UBMGA firmware.
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You can install latest XXUDMI1 but CWM version as bootloader won't be flashed..
Obagleyfreer said:
But you didn't flash the bootloader, did you?
So if you have new bootloader and knox 0x1 status you can still flash stock firmware in Odin and run it fine, even with stock kernel?
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I'm using pre-rooted MI1 (Odin version) with latest bootloader so yes, you can.
@ both of you
Check my thread in Development section for more informations
Thanks
On the S3 if I used MobileOdin to flash a new Rom it wouldn't update the bootloader. Can someone confirm the same is true on the S4?
Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk 4
DjeMBeY said:
You can install latest XXUDMI1 but CWM version as bootloader won't be flashed..
I'm using pre-rooted MI1 (Odin version) with latest bootloader so yes, you can.
@ both of you
Check my thread in Development section for more informations
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Awesome thanks dude, and we can find this Mi1 firmware in your thread?
Painman1963 said:
On the S3 if I used MobileOdin to flash a new Rom it wouldn't update the bootloader. Can someone confirm the same is true on the S4?
Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk 4
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That would probably be an instant KNOX warranty void due to the fact that Mobile ODIN only runs on rooted devices...
But I'm not gonna experiment with it due to the uncertainty of it...
I have a samsung galaxy s4 i9500 running Android 4.3 ( firmware I9500XXUEMJ9) (country-India).
I have updated to Android 4.3 officially. ()Now I see a knox shortcut icon , When I tap on it , I see a screen to download knox. (see the image below).
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Also when I go to download mode , I see nothing related to knox warranty bit. So , does that mean my s4 is knox free ?
I wish to root my phone without loosing warranty according to the following thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317105
Can I flash "PDA_I9500XXUEMJ9_KNOXFREE_ROOT_ODEX" and the binary counter/knox flag (if it exits) will not change ?
[I wanted to post in that thread but I am not allowed to ]
Please help me. I want to root without loosing warranty.
sakshamdhawan said:
I have a samsung galaxy s4 i9500 running Android 4.3 ( firmware I9500XXUEMJ9) (country-India).
After updating to 4.3 , I see a knox shortcut icon , When I tap on it , I see a screen to download knox. (see the image below).
Also when I go to download mode , I see nothing related to knox warranty bit. So , does that mean my s4 is knox free ?
I wish to root my phone without loosing warranty according to the following thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317105
Can I flash "PDA_I9500XXUEMJ9_KNOXFREE_ROOT_ODEX" and the binary counter/knox flag (if it exits) will not change ?
[I wanted to post in that thread but I am not allowed to ]
Please help me. I want to root without loosing warranty.
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Nahhh... It's not possible, if you flash non-knox (knox freer) ROM, and then your phone still asks for KNOX - Idk... Just try to reflash your firmware.
Try to go to custom recovery menu (flash it if you don't have), that in the CWM (or phillz - whatever) try to format /system and /data. Wipe data and cache, try to flash firmware via odin again.. That's my solution and will probably works.
But - check your apps list - if you can find app KNOX or somethings like that (in the name "knox"), download root uninstall app, delete knox notification and knox... Just search
sakshamdhawan said:
I have a samsung galaxy s4 i9500 running Android 4.3 ( firmware I9500XXUEMJ9) (country-India).
After updating to 4.3 , I see a knox shortcut icon , When I tap on it , I see a screen to download knox. (see the image below).
Also when I go to download mode , I see nothing related to knox warranty bit. So , does that mean my s4 is knox free ?
I wish to root my phone without loosing warranty according to the following thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317105
Can I flash "PDA_I9500XXUEMJ9_KNOXFREE_ROOT_ODEX" and the binary counter/knox flag (if it exits) will not change ?
[I wanted to post in that thread but I am not allowed to ]
Please help me. I want to root without loosing warranty.
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You have already the warranty bit. It is related to Knox warranty void 0x0. It cannot be reseted if it is 1
This firmware PDA_I9500XXUEMJ9_KNOXFREE_ROOT_ODEX if you flash it, your bit will change to 1 because the bootloader sees that the firmware pda is custom
I'm wondering too
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I have the same as Sakshamdhawn. So i am wondering too... Will I lose my warranty if i root my phone.
Actually I'm wondering do I have knox or not
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I want to make it clear that I updated to android 4.3 officially.I have not rooted, not installed any custom recovery ..nothing !
So till now my phone status is fully offical .Warranty bit is 0 too.
Now I wish to root and i clearly know Knox bootloader will void the warranty.
But what I am trying to ask is do I have the knox secured bootlooder ? or a knox free bootloader ?
Because I only see the warranty bit and there is no mention of knox in download mode.
This is an image from 19505. There is a mention of knox. But look at the image in my first post - knox is not mentioned in download mode.
If it is not a knox secured bootloader , I only need to worry about the binary counter .And According to this thread , flashing pre rooted rom will not increase binary counter.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317105&page=5
Sorry if am making all this confusing !
sakshamdhawan said:
I want to make it clear that I updated to android 4.3 officially.I have not rooted, not installed any custom recovery ..nothing !
So till now my phone status is fully offical .Warranty bit is 0 too.
Now I wish to root and i clearly know Knox bootloader will void the warranty.
But what I am trying to ask is do I have the knox secured bootlooder ? or a knox free bootloader ?
Because I only see the warranty bit and there is no mention of knox in download mode.
This is an image from 19505. There is a mention of knox. But look at the image in my first post - knox is not mentioned in download mode.
If it is not a knox secured bootloader , I only need to worry about the binary counter .And According to this thread , flashing pre rooted rom will not increase binary counter.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317105&page=5
Sorry if am making all this confusing !
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You have already the knox secure bootloader,I can see in your download mode the warranty bit 0!!!
if your warranty bit is 0, you are in warranty but if it is tripped to 1 you cant reset it. I9505 is a LTE quad core Model and not I9500 the octa core Model.
In our I9505 model, we can see the knox warranty void 0x0 if we have the secured knox bootloader.
But in yours I9500 model, you have the warranty bit 0, it is similar to knox warranty void 0x0 and it tells that you have the secured knox bootloader.
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leveex said:
I'm wondering too
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I have the same as Sakshamdhawn. So i am wondering too... Will I lose my warranty if i root my phone.
Actually I'm wondering do I have knox or not
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reboot to download mode and see there, if knox warranty void 0x0 is present or not
How it's possible to flash firmware and have root without voided warranty?
erikasnoske said:
How it's possible to flash firmware and have root without voided warranty?
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Not possible using stock Samsung bootloader. That 4.3 unknoxed custom rom should have been flashed from stock 4.2.2 over 4.2.2 bootloader, so you would have any kind of Frankenstein, 4.3 rom over 4.2.2 bootloader, and you will never be able to flash a stock rom without consider to get the knox warranty bit. Once installed stock 4.3 with Knox bootloader, warranty bit will always be present, so if you try to flash or root anything the bit will be activated.
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If u wanna root just root.I tripped d counter within 15 days of purchase.I had 4.3 preinstalled in it.Now it is 0*1
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RISHI RAJ said:
If u wanna root just root.I tripped d counter within 15 days of purchase.I had 4.3 preinstalled in it.Now it is 0*1
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I remember I flashed roms first day I bought it... It was about 4-5 months ago..
I just got my note N9005 today , details as attached
I need 2 important things
root for my root apps
custom recovery CWM to have Nand backup and restore options
According to readings there r 2 ways to root
1 - Universal Root de la Vega which offer [KNOX 0x0] and non official rom so u lose OTA, and when u flash CWM u lose also [KNOX 0x0]
2 - CF-Auto-Root which with u lose [KNOX 0x0] and non official rom so u lose OTA
and I think when u flash a stock rom u go back to 100% official state (right?)
Am I right so far?
Ok, now when I started my phone with Kies, I found that there is firmware upgrade is available to my phone as the attached pic, should i root first then upgrade or upgrade then root (i used to use mobile odin pro to inject the root during flashing a new stock rom to keep the root)
If i upgrade via Kies would I lose my apps, settings, data and root (upgrade will wipe), I know that OTA will keep every thing but not sure about root?
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thermax04 said:
I just got my note N9005 today , details as attached
I need 2 important things
root for my root apps
custom recovery CWM to have Nand backup and restore options
According to readings there r 2 ways to root
1 - Universal Root de la Vega which offer [KNOX 0x0] and non official rom so u lose OTA, and when u flash CWM u lose also [KNOX 0x0]
2 - CF-Auto-Root which with u lose [KNOX 0x0] and non official rom so u lose OTA
and I think when u flash a stock rom u go back to 100% official state (right?)
Am I right so far?
Ok, now when I started my phone with Kies, I found that there is firmware upgrade is available to my phone as the attached pic, should i root first then upgrade or upgrade then root (i used to use mobile odin pro to inject the root during flashing a new stock rom to keep the root)
If i upgrade via Kies would I lose my apps, settings, data and root (upgrade will wipe), I know that OTA will keep every thing but not sure about root?
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you will only lose root ,but after you download the update it problem wont install because of root
jaythenut said:
you will only lose root
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do u mean that if i upgrade via kies I will lose root?
jaythenut said:
but after you download the update it problem wont install because of root
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do not understand what u mean!!
thermax04 said:
do u mean that if i upgrade via kies I will lose root?
do not understand what u mean!!
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Yes if you update with kies you will lose root
jaythenut said:
Yes if you update with kies you will lose root
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ok, should i upgrade first then root?
thermax04 said:
ok, should i upgrade first then root?
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Just check there's a root for the new firmware then you are good to go
thermax04 said:
I just got my note N9005 today , details as attached
I need 2 important things
root for my root apps
custom recovery CWM to have Nand backup and restore options
According to readings there r 2 ways to root
1 - Universal Root de la Vega which offer [KNOX 0x0] and non official rom so u lose OTA, and when u flash CWM u lose also [KNOX 0x0]
2 - CF-Auto-Root which with u lose [KNOX 0x0] and non official rom so u lose OTA
and I think when u flash a stock rom u go back to 100% official state (right?)
Am I right so far?
Ok, now when I started my phone with Kies, I found that there is firmware upgrade is available to my phone as the attached pic, should i root first then upgrade or upgrade then root (i used to use mobile odin pro to inject the root during flashing a new stock rom to keep the root)
If i upgrade via Kies would I lose my apps, settings, data and root (upgrade will wipe), I know that OTA will keep every thing but not sure about root?
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Do 1. URDLV first on your current (MJ1) firmware version to get root without tripping knox. If you update to MJ7 first you will get a locked bootloader & will trip knox.
Then update to MJ7 using mobile odin pro 3.85 with a downloaded firmware from sammobile.com
Doing nandroid means installing a custom recovery which would currently trigger knox - no way around this atm. I also want to flash custom recovery and roms, but I'm waiting a couple of months in case a knox-safe method is found.
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dsm52 said:
Do 1. URDLV first on your current (MJ1) firmware version to get root without tripping knox. If you update to MJ7 first you will get a locked bootloader & will trip knox.
Then update to MJ7 using mobile odin pro 3.85 with a downloaded firmware from sammobile.com
Doing nandroid means installing a custom recovery which would currently trigger knox - no way around this atm. I also want to flash custom recovery and roms, but I'm waiting a couple of months in case a knox-safe method is found.
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Can u explain what u mean by : If you update to MJ7 first you will get a locked bootloader
Can u confirm with yes or no: when u flash a stock rom u go back to 100% official state and [KNOX 0x0], after flashing a custom recovery
Custom roms can be installed knox safe
kn0x0ut script
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thermax04 said:
Can u explain what u mean by : If you update to MJ7 first you will get a locked bootloader
Can u confirm with yes or no: when u flash a stock rom u go back to 100% official state and [KNOX 0x0], after flashing a custom recovery
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Once Knox is tripped there is NO WAY to reset atm.... You can flash anything you want because it isn't changing to 0x0 again, currently...
Installing root through URDLV WON'Trip knox warranty if you are on MJ1 firmware. As soon as you upgrade your firmware to MJ7 you get a root unfriendly bootloader. Doesn't matter what you use it will trigger Knox 0x1 permanently.
If you root at MJ1 then use Mobile ODIN Pro to upgrade to MJ7 you should be able to go back to MJ1 easily and not have Knox triggered as MOP doesn't flash bootloaders.
ultramag69 said:
Once Knox is tripped there is NO WAY to reset atm.... You can flash anything you want because it isn't changing to 0x0 again, currently...
Installing root through URDLV WON'Trip knox warranty if you are on MJ1 firmware. As soon as you upgrade your firmware to MJ7 you get a root unfriendly bootloader. Doesn't matter what you use it will trigger Knox 0x1 permanently.
If you root at MJ1 then use Mobile ODIN Pro to upgrade to MJ7 you should be able to go back to MJ1 easily and not have Knox triggered as MOP doesn't flash bootloaders.
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Thank u all
Ok, I got it now
Found 2 threads regarding URDLV method, one of them is closed and rooting files are removed, although most of explanation s were about it, second one is a little confusing to me, can u support me here how 2 do it
thermax04 said:
Thank u all
Ok, I got it now
Found 2 threads regarding URBAN method, one of them is closed and rooting files are removed, although most of explanation s were about it, second one is a little confusing to me, can u support me here how 2 do it
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Sure i can:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47390175
Will this work? - Sure look at all those who thanked me for this + i supported many german guys with PM + i did it myself and look at my signature
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Killberty said:
Sure i can:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47390175
Will this work? - Sure look at all those who thanked me for this + i supported many german guys with PM + i did it myself and look at my signature
hit 'thanks' if i helped you
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iam familiar with rooting and flashing, but never seen something like this before, looks very complicated 2 me, needs alot of concentration, will go through it after finish work, or find an easier solution
thermax04 said:
iam familiar with rooting and flashing, but never seen something like this before, looks very complicated 2 me, needs alot of concentration, will go through it after finish work, or find an easier solution
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Cmon bro
This is very easy, just follow the steps as decribed - many ppl who never had an android before made it and thanked me and said it was easy
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Hello,
on the webpage from chainfire (autoroot.chainfire.eu) you will find these lines:
"UNLOCK BOOTLOADERS
If you have locked bootloaders, flashing one of these will probably brick your device - with the exception of Nexus devices, which will usually automatically "OEM unlock" and wipe your data !"
What does this mean ?
Is that an "UNLOCK BOOTLOADER before flash the following files!" ???
Is that " if you try to flash a bootloader instead of PDA and your bootloader is locked it will brick your device"
so, do i need to unlock the bootloader before using autoroot ?
thanks for help.
Thanks
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I'm also looking for an answer to this. It's kind of confusing. But I've read a lot of articles and I think I can assume that if your bootloader is locked, you cannot flash custom ROM or custom recovery else it could brick your device. So we have to unlock our bootloaders. Which I have no clue how to, still looking into this .
@firasusman What the? You just said "thanks" when this is asking a question. Please stop spamming, thanks.
jaydeeph said:
I'm also looking for an answer to this. It's kind of confusing. But I've read a lot of articles and I think I can assume that if your bootloader is locked, you cannot flash custom ROM or custom recovery else it could brick your device. So we have to unlock our bootloaders. Which I have no clue how to, still looking into this .
@firasusman What the? You just said "thanks" when this is asking a question. Please stop spamming, thanks.
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yes, its look like this is the big conspiracy, as i have often seen post with this question, but it never got answered
But i realy cant belive that i need to unlock the bootloader first, as no tutorial mentioned it, but i want to be sure....
I only want to root the device, so i believe that i dont flash a custom rom here. But who knows
unic09 said:
yes, its look like this is the big conspiracy, as i have often seen post with this question, but it never got answered
But i realy cant belive that i need to unlock the bootloader first, as no tutorial mentioned it, but i want to be sure....
I only want to root the device, so i believe that i dont flash a custom rom here. But who knows
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You havent said what device you have, a n9005?
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celderic said:
You havent said what device you have, a n9005?
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Hi,
sry i forgot about it :I
I have an SM-9005 Telekom branded...
The reason you need an unlocked bootloader is because the auto root flashes a custom recovery and cache temporarily to root, then flashes a stock recovery back in its place. You cannot flash a custom recovery on a locked bootloader.
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The good news, however, is that most of the note 3 variants (except att, sprint, Verizon in the us) come with unlocked bootloaders by default.
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PHP:
toastido said:
The reason you need an unlocked bootloader is because the auto root flashes a custom recovery and cache temporarily to root, then flashes a stock recovery back in its place. You cannot flash a custom recovery on a locked bootloader.
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Thx for reply.
To clarify that: i need to unlock the Bootloader BEFORE i use cf-autoroot, or will autoroot do this for me ?
unic09 said:
PHP:
Thx for reply.
To clarify that: i need to unlock the Bootloader BEFORE i use cf-autoroot, or will autoroot do this for me ?
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See the second part of my post above - if you're on a 9005 or 900T it's already unlocked; you can use autoroot without having to do anything else.
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However, just to be on the safe side. How does one check if the bootloader is unlocked?
toastido said:
See the second part of my post above - if you're on a 9005 or 900T it's already unlocked; you can use autoroot without having to do anything else.
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Whow whow, hold your horses. I already knew that most bootloaders outside US come unlocked, which is what I had. However many, many users have updated to KitKat meaning a new bootloader is flashed thus the new bootloader is locked in all KK versions! Which is the same mistake I made, as well as many other users who were in a haste up update to KK. So @op do you have KK or not is also a question.
voncrane said:
However, just to be on the safe side. How does one check if the bootloader is unlocked?
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I think if you check Odin Download Mode, it should tell you there.
jaydeeph said:
Whow whow, hold your horses. I already knew that most bootloaders outside US come unlocked, which is what I had. However many, many users have updated to KitKat meaning a new bootloader is flashed thus the new bootloader is locked in all KK versions! Which is the same mistake I made, as well as many other users who were in a haste up update to KK. So @op do you have KK or not is also a question.
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false. All kk bootloaders are NOT locked.
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toastido said:
false. All kk bootloaders are NOT locked.
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Interesting, my bad. Still learning about everything since the Note 3 is my first Android phone. So how do I check if my bootloader is locked?
Does this image tell you anything?:
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I believe the n9005 is unlocked, period. You may have a region lock, or a carrier lock, or a reactivation lock, but I belive the bootloader is unlocked.
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toastido said:
I believe the n9005 is unlocked, period. You may have a region lock, or a carrier lock, or a reactivation lock, but I belive the bootloader is unlocked.
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I tend to make a distinction between locked and locking
Technically all Note 3 bootloaders are locked - you can NOT program a bootloader that is not "signed" by Samsung
After that point the bootloader can be LOCKING the next boot stage (kernel and/or recovery) or not (depending on many factors). The bootloader-related programs (basically download mode) can also apply certain LOCKING to what can be written to bootloader files (hence almost all versions will stop you from downgrading the bootloader).
As far as I know indeed N9005 (and a few other versions) accept custom kernels and recovery, but there ARE certain versions (US specific carriers) that do not.
xclub_101 said:
I tend to make a distinction between locked and locking
Technically all Note 3 bootloaders are locked - you can NOT program a bootloader that is not "signed" by Samsung
After that point the bootloader can be LOCKING the next boot stage (kernel and/or recovery) or not (depending on many factors). The bootloader-related programs (basically download mode) can also apply certain LOCKING to what can be written to bootloader files (hence almost all versions will stop you from downgrading the bootloader).
As far as I know indeed N9005 (and a few other versions) accept custom kernels and recovery, but there ARE certain versions (US specific carriers) that do not.
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True, however the terms used here on xda (and commonly in the community) refer to a locked bootloader as being one that will not boot custom kernels and recoveries. To prevent confusion, I was putting it into those terms.
I believe it goes back to the original android devices by Google, where to use custom kernels or recoveries you had to boot into the bootloader and use fastboot to "oem unlock". Since the note 3 bootloader is not fastboot enabled, this is obviously not an option, so there are either locked, or unlocked, varients of the bootloader, mainly dependent upon the model/carrier used.
The only models I'm 99% sure are unlocked are the SM-900W8, SM-900T, and SM-900/9005. I've heard the 900V and 9006/9007/9002 are as well, but I don't have enough info on those to say for sure. I DO know the SM-900A IS locked (yay att).
Hope that helps clarify further.
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Okay,
i now have rooted my german telekom kitkatversion of the my phone without any problems. Thanks for the support !
I have a rooted super su note 3 n9005 does it already unlock the bootloader?
Helpless999 said:
I have a rooted super su note 3 n9005 does it already unlock the bootloader?
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N9005 does not have a locked bootloader .
If your bootloader is locked its not a N9005
A new superSu was released. It will give you systemless root on Samsung TW 5.1.1 and does not require a cutom kernel.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64161125&postcount=3
It also looks like CF Auto root for DOK2 firmware has been updated as well using the newest SUPERSU.
https://autoroot.chainfire.eu/
Nice! For some reason, Link isn't working for me.
Bruce lee roy said:
Nice! For some reason, Link isn't working for me.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64161125&postcount=3
ShrekOpher said:
A new superSu was released. It will give you systemless root on Samsung TW 5.1.1 and does not require a cutom kernel.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64161125&postcount=3
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Did you tried it?
Avide said:
Did you tried it?
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Yeah I'm on stock DOK2 firmware, and I have root using the stock kernel.
However V4A will not work right now, it is not compatible with systemless root. Besides that everything is working great.
ShrekOpher said:
Yeah I'm on stock DOK2 firmware, and I have root using the stock kernel.
However V4A will not work right now, it is not compatible with systemless root. Besides that everything is working great.
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Why do you prefer stock over custom?
Bruce lee roy said:
Why do you prefer stock over custom?
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I did this so I can use Android Pay, not because of kernels, but in general a stock kernel is going to be more stable and cause less issues.
ShrekOpher said:
Yeah I'm on stock DOK2 firmware, and I have root using the stock kernel.
However V4A will not work right now, it is not compatible with systemless root. Besides that everything is working great.
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Could you post some steps on how to use this new systemless root on the Note4?
chodaboy19 said:
Could you post some steps on how to use this new systemless root on the Note4?
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If your on the stock firmware you just flash the new SuperSu.Zip in TWRP, it's available in the thread linked in the OP. And you will have root, no need to flash a custom kernel.
I tested this system less root out earlier and it doesn't seem like it's 100% stable. I was on stock dok2 freshly Odin and then flash this system less root. Titanium back up doesn't Uninstall system apps (debloat), after you restart your phone the apps remains intact. Anyone else?
I just tried this out. I was rooted on 4.4.4 NK4. So far everything seems to be working fine. I froze and defrosted some apps using Titanium backup without any problems. I will keep an eye on things as I use 5.1.1, but from a casual glance, it looks like a nice update.
Steps to install from 4.4.4:
1. Install the DOK2 image using ODIN
2. Install TWRP using ODIN
3. Install the SuperSU Beta zip using TWRP
aznvi3tric3guy said:
I tested this system less root out earlier and it doesn't seem like it's 100% stable. I was on stock dok2 freshly Odin and then flash this system less root. Titanium back up doesn't Uninstall system apps (debloat), after you restart your phone the apps remains intact. Anyone else?
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If you read the forum that the zip is provided, you'd see it's not 100% yet. Still on beta phase but making it available because it's 'mostly' working.
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When booting are you getting the message: "Kernel is not SEAndroid Enforcing"?
Not sure, where I messed up...
aznvi3tric3guy said:
I tested this system less root out earlier and it doesn't seem like it's 100% stable. I was on stock dok2 freshly Odin and then flash this system less root. Titanium back up doesn't Uninstall system apps (debloat), after you restart your phone the apps remains intact. Anyone else?
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Yeah, this is a systemless root. This means there are certain root apps that will not work correctly. Mainly things that modify the system. However, you can flash a debloater script in TWRP and remove the applications you want.
Right now removing system apps in Titanium Backup does NOT work, but freezing them all does. Also Viper4Android can't install the drivers. Both of these issues are related to the new Root Method.
However if there was a flashable zip to install the drivers for V4A I think the app itself would still work fine.
Remember this is a beta version of SuperSu and most of the developers have not adjusted the root apps to work with the new systemless root method.
chodaboy19 said:
When booting are you getting the message: "Kernel is not SEAndroid Enforcing"?
Not sure, where I messed up...
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Yeah I get that as well, but if you go look at the About Phone screen once you are booted up you will see that you are still SE Android Enforcing. something with how this is gaining root access is making the boot sequence think you have modified the kernel, even though you have not.
So you guys are able to freeze system apps in TiBu, yes? I ask because this sounds an awful lot like how I was able to root my new Tab S2 a few weeks ago. If I'm onto anything here, then I would just make sure that everything related to Knox is frozen; all have Knox in the name except Security Log Agent but make sure that's frozen too. After getting that straightened out and learning which apps didn't currently cooperate, the tablet runs like a dream :angel:
There are still a few limitations and a handful of apps that don't seem to enjoy the situation, but I simply refuse not to administer my own device (I got the 817T, 9.7" Tmo variant). There are no custom/permissive kernels yet for that model yet as we're still waiting for the code to be released... , honestly makes me wish there was a GPL for individuals and another for "corporate entities" who've made billions off of generously GPLed work that had some (sharp) teeth and a taste of enforcement
Anyway, making sure that Knox is entirely frozen solid will hopefully help out anyone having issues. I'd also advise not going overboard with Xposed modules and making frequent Nandroids in case you get stuck in a bootloop or similar (happened to me after flashing the fix for FolderMount... just restored a Nandroid but I really miss FolderMount :crying
Hopefully that's of some help and I'm not just babbling about my sweet new tablet here... well, ya know, I suppose it can be two things
Can I install twrp without root ????
This will work for samsung 12.2 tab pro right???
ShrekOpher said:
I did this so I can use Android Pay, not because of kernels, but in general a stock kernel is going to be more stable and cause less issues.
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Depends on the kernel...
As of right now BeastMost only has the root restriction removed, other then that its stock. (It still DOG1 as Sammy hasn't released the DOK2 source yet)
The reason freeza called his kernel BeastMode stock is because the only thing changed are tweaks no real mods.
For example some logging is turned off etc.
The things that are changed do not affect stability like a heavily modded kernel that needs a tweaker app etc.
(so long as the kernel that is compiled is for that carrier and that variant device)
Skrillexsgames said:
Can I install twrp without root ????
This will work for samsung 12.2 tab pro right???
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yes you can, use odin
aznvi3tric3guy said:
I tested this system less root out earlier and it doesn't seem like it's 100% stable. I was on stock dok2 freshly Odin and then flash this system less root. Titanium back up doesn't Uninstall system apps (debloat), after you restart your phone the apps remains intact. Anyone else?
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Try installing busy box from the Playstore.