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Rooted on 4.1.57 even after update??!!

Ok so i managed to undo my hacked webtop, but i never unrooted my phone before updating to 4.1.57. Now my phone is updated and it says its on 4.1.57 but it still has super user and that still functions? Does this mean it is still rooted? I thought it was supposed to be removed? I am sort of confused whether this is good or bad? Any input? Thanks

Try to run something that requests for su permission... it wont work....
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same here but i didnt have the webtop hack just aroot and tether bypass and i still have all of what i had before super user and t-back up and my bypass for tethering....looks like i am still rooted can get into all files and what not

i did use some root required apps like root manager and they all work?

unnkown95 said:
i did use some root required apps like root manager and they all work?
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Can you go to adb or terminal and do "su"? It probably won't work.
A lot of other people were misinformed as well. The old apps are there but don't have root permissions. The Dev section has a dead simple script to run to root it though. You need to undo all mods or flash to stock and then follow their instructions.
I reversed my mods in a few minutes (redexed and reversed WTM) then I upgraded, rooted and deodexed and did the WTM again

oh ok, im not sure how to do that im very new to all this but i will take your word for it, can you help me on how to undo all the mods? Should i just unroot it? How do i redex and reverse wtm and what is wtm im so sorry for my questions .

unnkown95 said:
oh ok, im not sure how to do that im very new to all this but i will take your word for it, can you help me on how to undo all the mods? Should i just unroot it? How do i redex and reverse wtm and what is wtm im so sorry for my questions .
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WTM = Webtopmod.
I'm not an expert but I'm well versed with command lines and basic programming. Your best bet is to flash everything to stock rather than reversing the mods manually. This will give you a fresh slate to work with.
I presume that you have an AT&T Atrix so here's the link to the thread you need. It has all the appropriate info and I suggest you post any further questions in there. I always try hitting threads and helping everyone out where I can. If I can't get to your next inquiry, I'm sure someone else can help.
I don't go out much but the wife and I are going to a concert.. so next time I'm XDA tonight I'm going to be pissed drunk and probably lipping people off.
(don't drink and post!)

Thanks so much, but last question for some reason the link wont show up?

Try running titanium backup. If that starts then you sir, still have root access
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yep bongd was right the original apps i had still work but no new ones work,
so what do you guys suggest that i wipe my atrix and reinstall everything? is there anyway to back up with out root access?

the dead-on telltale test:
download Terminal Emulator from the market, open it, and type "su". if you get a #, then you have root.

the implications of ROOT

hello!
i just got my N4 a few days ago...
didnt even change a ringtone yet... just downloaded some apps, and costumized the phone a-bit.
i do want to root, because some advanced actions such as recording calls (legal in my country) require root.
i was about to root using the Nexus 4 ToolKit posted here:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1995688
but when i run it it always says its tookit ver v1.3.0, and a 1.6.0 is avilable, i update but when i re-run it, it says its 1.3 again...
and even if i go past this step and get to the "What build do you have?
the only answer i can pic is 4.2 (JOP24C)
and i own JOP24D (2.4.1) - will this be an issue?
and also - if i root my phone, and lets say androud 4.2.2 comes out a day later, does the phone still update? or do i stop getting updates as soon as im rooted?
TY!

Caniv said:
hello!
i just got my N4 a few days ago...
didnt even change a ringtone yet... just downloaded some apps, and costumized the phone a-bit.
i do want to root, because some advanced actions such as recording calls (legal in my country) require root.
i was about to root using the Nexus 4 ToolKit posted here:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1995688
but when i run it it always says its tookit ver v1.3.0, and a 1.6.0 is avilable, i update but when i re-run it, it says its 1.3 again...
and even if i go past this step and get to the "What build do you have?
the only answer i can pic is 4.2 (JOP24C)
and i own JOP24D (2.4.1) - will this be an issue?
and also - if i root my phone, and lets say androud 4.2.2 comes out a day later, does the phone still update? or do i stop getting updates as soon as im rooted?
TY!
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If you get the donate version it will update it so that you can do the 4.2.1 build. I think it was like $5. Well worth supporting the dev

ctowne said:
If you get the donate version it will update it so that you can do the 4.2.1 build. I think it was like $5. Well worth supporting the dev
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alright cool i don't mind paying 5USD...
but what about the most important things?
does rooting 100% erase evetyhing?
Do i keep getting updates to my phone? or when a new version comes out i have to re-root or something?

It will erase EVERYTHING and you would have to go back to stock to get the OTA or wait for a build to be flashable
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If the ROM got OTA (over the air) you can update i guess, not really populair with OTA, but you can download 4.2.2 stock ROM or custom ROM when it comes out.
Sent From My Rooted Samsung Galaxy S2 JB 4.1.2 (GT-I9100)

Why don't you unlock and root using fastboot. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2018179
Check my signature for my reasons why.
You might even learn something!
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium

El Daddy said:
Why don't you unlock and root using fastboot. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2018179
Check my signature for my reasons why.
You might even learn something!
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might? i bet ill learn ALOT!
i just have one more question - that i didnt understand.
as of now, unrooted, if 4.3(lets say) comes out tommorow, my device updates, bam.. im 4.3
if i root now, at 4.2.1, the above will not happen? meaning in order to update to 4.3 i will have to lose all my data again?
ty!

Caniv said:
might? i bet ill learn ALOT!
i just have one more question - that i didnt understand.
as of now, unrooted, if 4.3(lets say) comes out tommorow, my device updates, bam.. im 4.3
if i root now, at 4.2.1, the above will not happen? meaning in order to update to 4.3 i will have to lose all my data again?
ty!
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If you are only rooted and having modified any system files you can OTA successfully.
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El Daddy said:
If you are only rooted and having modified any system files you can OTA successfully.
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ashamed to say i didnt really get it.. lol.
you said OTA is "Over the Air", right?
so if i rooted at 4.2.1 (just rooted, no rom or anything), and 4.3 came out do i
1. Have to delete everything AGAIN and re-root on 4.3 to get the update
2. have to find the 4.3 file online and install it somehow
3. do nothing, the phone automatically gets updated
ty =)

Caniv said:
ashamed to say i didnt really get it.. lol.
you said OTA is "Over the Air", right?
so if i rooted at 4.2.1 (just rooted, no rom or anything), and 4.3 came out do i
1. Have to delete everything AGAIN and re-root on 4.3 to get the update
2. have to find the 4.3 file online and install it somehow
3. do nothing, the phone automatically gets updated
ty =)
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Getting root on your device does not delete anything. What deletes everything is unlocking the bootloader (which, at the present time, is required to obtain root). You only have to unlock the bootloader once. Once it is unlocked, getting root is trivial.
Every time you receive an over-the-air update, it will remove your root access, BUT, as I mentioned earlier, getting it back is trivial when your bootloader is unlocked.

efrant said:
Getting root on your device does not delete anything. What deletes everything is unlocking the bootloader (which, at the present time, is required to obtain root). You only have to unlock the bootloader once. Once it is unlocked, getting root is trivial.
Every time you receive an over-the-air update, it will remove your root access, BUT, as I mentioned earlier, getting it back is trivial when your bootloader is unlocked.
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i should pay you for toleraring my silly questions... many thanks
since i think i saw u said u do not recommend tool kits to root..
can u direct me to a step by step instruction thread to root, in a way you support? i totally trust your opinion

Caniv said:
i should pay you for toleraring my silly questions... many thanks
since i think i saw u said u do not recommend tool kits to root..
can u direct me to a step by step instruction thread to root, in a way you support? i totally trust your opinion
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Have you read the stickies in the General and Q&A sections? There is a couple of stickies by me in the General section (the "Basics" and "Root" links in my signature), and there is also a sticky by Jubakuba in the Q&A section.

efrant said:
Have you read the stickies in the General and Q&A sections? There is a couple of stickies by me in the General section (the "Basics" and "Root" links in my signature), and there is also a sticky by Jubakuba in the Q&A section.
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I did not!
I will do so as soon as I'm done with work.
Will prolly open a thread titled "rooted 4.2, how do i update to 4.2.1" unless its in the stickies..

Caniv said:
I did not!
I will do so as soon as I'm done with work.
Will prolly open a thread titled "rooted 4.2, how do i update to 4.2.1" unless its in the stickies..
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The easiest way is to wait for the OTA notification to appear on your device. Then just accept it, and then root again.
I've written up something for the Galaxy Nexus (sticky in the GNex General section), but nothing yet for the N4. The basic premise (and most of the commands) are the same. You can browse through it for some background info.

[Q] I tried rooting but it didn't work

I tried rooting using this method:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2257101
Superuser was installed, however root checker says that it's not rooted and superuser throws an error.
Apparently there was a problem with an update from Sprint, and there's ways to go back to stock using "odin", but I'm unfamiliar with this.
I'd like to go back to stock and root or root the phone as it is because without being rooted the phone is unusable for me at work. I have to use a program called "Roam Control" that needs root access as there is no Sprint service in my office.
Any suggestions?

newuser_1 said:
I tried rooting using this method:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2257101
Superuser was installed, however root checker says that it's not rooted and superuser throws an error.
Apparently there was a problem with an update from Sprint, and there's ways to go back to stock using "odin", but I'm unfamiliar with this.
I'd like to go back to stock and root or root the phone as it is because without being rooted the phone is unusable for me at work. I have to use a program called "Roam Control" that needs root access as there is no Sprint service in my office.
Any suggestions?
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Sounds like you updated to MDL. Try this
I unchecked the Force Reboot and had the battery door off so I could pull the battery after I was done flashing the recovery through Odin.

BrandoKC said:
Sounds like you updated to MDL. Try this
I unchecked the Force Reboot and had the battery door off so I could pull the battery after I was done flashing the recovery through Odin.
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Okay, I will try this now.
What does "MDL" mean? The link you provided says how to flash stock MDL, but if MDL is what I updated to and what caused the problem...I'm confused lol.

newuser_1 said:
Okay, I will try this now.
What does "MDL" mean? The link you provided says how to flash stock MDL, but if MDL is what I updated to and what caused the problem...I'm confused lol.
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Don't worry about flashing stock MDL if your baseband version ends in MDL. Skip to the recovery and root instructions.

Edited:
I have flashed back to stock using this method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2259513
and allowed the OTA updated to be applied.
Now I am going to try the methods in the post you provided.

Wow that was a lot of trouble, but I must say you pointed me in the right direction and everything went pretty smooth.
Thank you very much for showing me that thread, I had looked through so many of them in the development section but "MDL" was throwing me off.
I now have root access, and even though it's after 2:30am, I will be able to use the phone at work in about 4 hours.

My pleasure! Glad you got it.
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BrandoKC said:
My pleasure! Glad you got it.
Sent from my SPH-L720 using xda premium
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Would ForceRom work after I go thru this steps? I'm currently rooted, with MDC Kernel but I disable the update by long pressing and un-checking show notifications. Any assistance gladly appreciated.

juniorr7710 said:
Would ForceRom work after I go thru this steps? I'm currently rooted, with MDC Kernel but I disable the update by long pressing and un-checking show notifications. Any assistance gladly appreciated.
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As long as you have a recovery installed just follow the flashing instructions in the thread.
Sent from my SPH-L720 using xda premium

Sorry to sound like a noob but....... what's the difference between
MDL and MDC?

bluediablito said:
Sorry to sound like a noob but....... what's the difference between
MDL and MDC?
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MDC/MDL are just version codes. MDC is what came on the phone at the time of release (stock), and MDL is the new one sent OTA. If you mean what changes did they make, then never mind ( ) because I don't know what changes they made in the kernel other than restricting root access.

~Zach~ said:
MDC/MDL are just version codes. MDC is what came on the phone at the time of release (stock), and MDL is the new one sent OTA. If you mean what changes did they make, then never mind ( ) because I don't know what changes they made in the kernel other than restricting root access.
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Thank You.
i needed to know bc my brother phone has mdc and i wanted to root it with the motochop method....

bluediablito said:
i needed to know bc my brother phone has mdc and i wanted to root it with the motochop method....
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Yeah, moto won't work with MDL. He can still root, though. It's easy. Plenty of threads on it in the Dev section.
I just "worry" about the having to freeze seandroid. The consensus is that it doesn't seem to hurt anything, but no one seems to know for sure. (You have to freeze that system app to get rid of the security alert after installing Shabby's custom kernel.)

I ended up using ODIN to flash MDC then root with moto...worked like a charm.
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Root question

I want to root my phone, the s4 as listed below. I am new to android but I think I understand how to root it. My concern is that there is no recovery. I am not sure what that means. Does that mean that one cannot unroot or does that mean that if you install a Custom rom that there is no going back? Or, does it mean something else? Thank you.
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thehoz said:
I want to root my phone, the s4 as listed below. I am new to android but I think I understand how to root it. My concern is that there is no recovery. I am not sure what that means. Does that mean that one cannot unroot or does that mean that if you install a Custom rom that there is no going back? Or, does it mean something else? Thank you.
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I think you do not understand how to root if there is no recovery. keep researching. you're a long way from safely rooting your phone.

OP, if your S4 is on the MF3 firmware then look around in the general and q&a sections. there's some material there that will point you in the right direction.
in short, if you are on MF3, you can root only (which i advise against for beginners as there currently is no recovery option). cheers

thehoz said:
I want to root my phone, the s4 as listed below. I am new to android but I think I understand how to root it. My concern is that there is no recovery. I am not sure what that means. Does that mean that one cannot unroot or does that mean that if you install a Custom rom that there is no going back? Or, does it mean something else? Thank you.
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Why do you want to root your phone when you don't even understand what it is you want to do?

scott14719 said:
Why do you want to root your phone when you don't even understand what it is you want to do?
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My question wasn't "what can I do with root?" I wanted to know if it was possible to "unroot" which apparently it is not yet. I would want to root to be able to get more out of titanium backup and Tasker as well as block ads. But thanks for the help.
And yes, I am on MF3. I had root on the prior os and I had to unroot to get the MF3 update which had features I wanted. I just don't know the proper terms I guess. I don't know what a recovery is. To unroot before, I had the two files I needed to delete. I foget what they are. I am sure you guys know. I used to always have my iOS jailbroken. I didn't need to understand too much about it. I could just follow instructions and jailbreak. It was too easy to unjailbreak.
Last time I rooted, it was easy. The unrooting was nerve-wracking because I couldn't get the update I wanted without it. I've read how to root now... Again I can follow directions. It just wasn't clear that you can't unroot until a recovery is is out there. I thought maybe a recovery was needed if you used a custom rom. I just wanted to use the stock rom and unroot if I wanted to.
Again, I'm not a hacker, just a user that wants more and not a whole lot of time to learn all the in and outs.
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thehoz said:
My question wasn't "what can I do with root?" I wanted to know if it was possible to "unroot" which apparently it is not yet. I would want to root to be able to get more out of titanium backup and Tasker as well as block ads. But thanks for the help.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using xda app-developers app
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I suggest you do a little more research. There is a thread with a method to unroot that multiple people have claimed works with MF3. Of course, you never said what firmware you have...and it does make a difference. But honestly, don't take the advice if you think you don't need it and do what you want Good luck.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2432876
Try it at your own risk.

scott14719 said:
I suggest you do a little more research. There is a thread with a method to unroot that multiple people have claimed works with MF3. Of course, you never said what firmware you have...and it does make a difference. But honestly, don't take the advice if you think you don't need it and do what you want Good luck.
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I appreciate the advice to keep looking. I'll try to find the thread you mention.
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thehoz said:
I appreciate the advice to keep looking. I'll try to find the thread you mention.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using xda app-developers app
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I edited my post above to include it.

scott14719 said:
I edited my post above to include it.
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Thank you very much!
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thehoz said:
My question wasn't "what can I do with root?" I wanted to know if it was possible to "unroot" which apparently it is not yet. I would want to root to be able to get more out of titanium backup and Tasker as well as block ads. But thanks for the help.
And yes, I am on MF3. I had root on the prior os and I had to unroot to get the MF3 update which had features I wanted. I just don't know the proper terms I guess. I don't know what a recovery is. To unroot before, I had the two files I needed to delete. I foget what they are. I am sure you guys know. I used to always have my iOS jailbroken. I didn't need to understand too much about it. I could just follow instructions and jailbreak. It was too easy to unjailbreak.
Last time I rooted, it was easy. The unrooting was nerve-wracking because I couldn't get the update I wanted without it. I've read how to root now... Again I can follow directions. It just wasn't clear that you can't unroot until a recovery is is out there. I thought maybe a recovery was needed if you used a custom rom. I just wanted to use the stock rom and unroot if I wanted to.
Again, I'm not a hacker, just a user that wants more and not a whole lot of time to learn all the in and outs.
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You were right, recovery is used to flash custom ROM, back up and restore ROM; but there is no recovery for MF3.
If you just want to use Titanium Backup, adblock then root is enough. And you can unroot.

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No Sticky tutorial for rooting on the current firmware?

just thought would be a good idea for someone with the vast knowledge on rooting and the different options
all there is
[Video Guide] How To Root Galaxy S4 I337 / I337m Easy & User Friendly [ 1 2 3 ... Last ] which just shows motochoper and is super old
im wondering if there is a root that wont trip knox an updated rooting sticky would be usefull to alot i believe
from what iv read so far was u can still us
cf autoroot but that will trip knox
iv been searching threw some other topics as once again no current stickies
anyways whats up with this method KINGO
this is a " " from someone else but not sure what to make of it is this a NEW safe method to root a mk6 bell s4 without tripping knox??
Kingo, against xda policy. Google kingo root, you'll find it. Cancel the knox pop up during root. After reboot, update supersu binaries, via normal method, and choose not to let supersu disable knox. Install titanium backup, freeze all knox processes using guides found here. Busybox, etc all works. If u install custom recovery, youll trip knox. Right now, just root is safe. Not responding to more root stuff, use the help forum for that, this thread is for stock fw. Lets not hijack it
anyways long story short a few updates stickys on rooting current firmware and the good and the bad would help
id post them myself but im only 3 months into android so just learning
thanks

duboisbrian said:
just thought would be a good idea for someone with the vast knowledge on rooting and the different options
all there is
[Video Guide] How To Root Galaxy S4 I337 / I337m Easy & User Friendly [ 1 2 3 ... Last ] which just shows motochoper and is super old
im wondering if there is a root that wont trip knox an updated rooting sticky would be usefull to alot i believe
from what iv read so far was u can still us
cf autoroot but that will trip knox
iv been searching threw some other topics as once again no current stickies
anyways whats up with this method KINGO
this is a " " from someone else but not sure what to make of it is this a NEW safe method to root a mk6 bell s4 without tripping knox??
Kingo, against xda policy. Google kingo root, you'll find it. Cancel the knox pop up during root. After reboot, update supersu binaries, via normal method, and choose not to let supersu disable knox. Install titanium backup, freeze all knox processes using guides found here. Busybox, etc all works. If u install custom recovery, youll trip knox. Right now, just root is safe. Not responding to more root stuff, use the help forum for that, this thread is for stock fw. Lets not hijack it
anyways long story short a few updates stickys on rooting current firmware and the good and the bad would help
id post them myself but im only 3 months into android so just learning
thanks
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The reason no stickies have been made/updated is probably because there are no confirmed safe methods. Kingo claims to have removed malicious code but it is still banned from XDA. There is a safe root available in the Verizon section that I believe works: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2565758
The reason this hasn't been linked here is probably because it's new and few people check both sections for development progress. Also, I'm not sure if it's confirmed for us either.

DeadlySin9 said:
The reason no stickies have been made/updated is probably because there are no confirmed safe methods. Kingo claims to have removed malicious code but it is still banned from XDA. There is a safe root available in the Verizon section that works: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2565758
The reason this hasn't been linked here is probably because it's new and few people check both sections for development progress.
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It's been linked multiple times, just a matter of time before the root guides get updated.
Wait a a few days, and it'll happen.

jh64dsb877r said:
It's been linked multiple times, just a matter of time before the root guides get updated.
Wait a a few days, and it'll happen.
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I meant linked in the actual guides, but yeah, I'm sure it will.

iv searched and read
that kingo addressed the imei issue xda had with them
what other issue does xda have with kingo that they are yet to address..??

duboisbrian said:
iv searched and read
that kingo addressed the imei issue xda had with them
what other issue does xda have with kingo that they are yet to address..??
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There were a few concerns between VROOT and Kingo, both connecting to a Chinese server, and the sending of IMEI's and other phone information along with pulling some binaries and the suspicious superuser app from VROOT. Another reason is that despite saying they are safe and have been fixed, they are both closed source and the devs will not reveal their methods. So basically it's all been shady business and XDA has left it up to users to decide if they want to take the risk and not endorse the program at all themselves.

okay i see
and i dont blame them for not wanting to reveal there methods as there is obviously some sort of money in doing this for them
and if they opened it up to xda devs then anybody can make another root process and kingo would loose all the traffic on there site
wondering why no xda devs can figure out root process when china can
guess shina smarter again lol
anyways thanks for all the info and help
love this forum