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What do I have to do when the real froyo comes out if I'm rooted

Question is pretty straight foward. Do I have to unroot? Do I lose root if I update and have to wait until the real froyo is rooted?
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Very quickly (perhaps hours) after the official Samsung update becomes available OTA, one of the developers here will surely post a stock rom for Froyo that is already rooted and Clockwork Recovery ready. There will probably be versions flashable by both Odin and Clockwork. Custom roms will be updated soon after that.

To actually answer your question you would most likely be safe with just using odin back to an older build 2.1 then let the ota take over after you boot in to your homescreen.
However, answering your question completely. Losing root is a big maybe better yet a most likely. There is a root already out that i'm almost positive will work with the official 2.2 also though.

What if I just want to update to froyo using my phone and then root later?
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iwantAdollar said:
What if I just want to update to froyo using my phone and then root later?
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That would be a bad idea because it's possible that samsung/sprint will have patched all the currently known root exploits. Most likely there will be a flashable zip available on xda within hours of release that will let you maintain root. The froyo update can be altered easily to maintain root but if you use it unmodified to update and then expect to reroot you will likely be screwed.

So far I have yet to flash one OTA that has intervened with root...though doesn't the exploit effect ADB which google needs to fix..I dont think its that simple to just patch up..

If someone is rooted but has not modifed their phone in any way or removed any stock apps, would they still be able to receive OTA?

gTen said:
So far I have yet to flash one OTA that has intervened with root...though doesn't the exploit effect ADB which google needs to fix..I dont think its that simple to just patch up..
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There have not been any major OTAs yet so I don't see why that would be much of an argument that this huge OTA won't kill root. We had OTA's on the hero that preserved root and others that patched it. If you want to go ahead and take your chances with the OTA be my guest, but I was just trying to let the OP know that the risk to reward ratio is way to high in my opinion.

richse said:
There have not been any major OTAs yet so I don't see why that would be much of an argument that this huge OTA won't kill root. We had OTA's on the hero that preserved root and others that patched it. If you want to go ahead and take your chances with the OTA be my guest, but I was just trying to let the OP know that the risk to reward ratio is way to high in my opinion.
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The ops question is whether or not the OTA would not work if he is rooted..similar to removing stock apps..hence I answered based on that, not maintaining root...

Elixis said:
If someone is rooted but has not modifed their phone in any way or removed any stock apps, would they still be able to receive OTA?
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Yes u will still get ota and it should work fine. U might need to reroot after but that's all. The 2.2 ota might break root on ur current setup, but I don't think the update will patch the root exploit so u should be able to run the same oneclick and get root again.

how about we wait till it happens? it could all change depending on what the OTA update does to our phones. The advice has always been wait ... Wait.. and wait.. when it is safe then do the OTA.

gTen said:
The ops question is whether or not the OTA would not work if he is rooted..similar to removing stock apps..hence I answered based on that, not maintaining root...
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Maybe you should try reading the OP again. It says:
iwantAdollar said:
Question is pretty straight foward. Do I have to unroot? Do I lose root if I update and have to wait until the real froyo is rooted?
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He was asking a lot more than if he would get the OTA. I answered his question and gave some advice. You chimed in with some crap about never having lost root with an OTA. That was crap advice so I responded.

richse said:
Maybe you should try reading the OP again. It says:
He was asking a lot more than if he would get the OTA. I answered his question and gave some advice. You chimed in with some crap about never having lost root with an OTA. That was crap advice so I responded.
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I could have sworn the question was different when I read it :/..and I'm pretty sure I reread it after you posted..but I dont see edited, unless it got lost or..hmm..am I going senile? :/ lol

New OTA Xoom Update, but my xoom is rooted, what to do?

I keep getting prompted to download the new OTA update but I have a rooted custom rom (tiamat 1.4.4) can i download it anywya?

I have the same problem. I think I have to follow this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079504 guide but i'm too lazy/scared to try right now. I might just wait for 4.0 and then see.

DeeJayCruiser said:
I keep getting prompted to download the new OTA update but I have a rooted custom rom (tiamat 1.4.4) can i download it anywya?
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Question - If you are rooted this is a no brainer. YOU JUST SAY NO... what ever they are offering you has probably been in the forum as a rom for quite some time. If they are offering you an update it probably means you are running an older rooted rom. Just update to the new rooted one in the development section.

DeeJayCruiser said:
I keep getting prompted to download the new OTA update but I have a rooted custom rom (tiamat 1.4.4) can i download it anywya?
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You could download it but I wouldn't recommend it. Best case scenario is you would just loose root. worse case is it won't boot (soft bricked) after install because it's not upgrading a "stock" phone. Pretty sure you will just loose root as tiamat 1.4.4 is not really a true full rom it's just a kernel.
Anyways I recommend you follow the instructions at
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074979to put on the "right" clockworkmod recovery. and then put on The HammerHead Rom (which is based on 3.2) at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1203635 the Hammerhead rom runs perfect for me (and most everyone else). Then put on the 3.2 Overclocked Kernel at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1200063
I was basically in your situation and I got all that done and all my 100+ apps reinstalled (using Titanium Pro) and basically everything set back up in about 2.5 hours.

Honestly how much research is done prior to rooting or do some of you just root for the hell of it. This is why there are so many I may of bricked my device threads......
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playya said:
Honestly how much research is done prior to rooting or do some of you just root for the hell of it. This is why there are so many I may of bricked my device threads......
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Easy, killer. Guy is probably just double checking.

playya said:
Honestly how much research is done prior to rooting or do some of you just root for the hell of it. This is why there are so many I may of bricked my device threads......
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I feel ya playaa... I used to be one of those folks. I did minimal research and just wanted to root to hack a videogame... Then i realized all the wonderful benefits of rooting and roms and spend hours reading new topics on development... But i still have friends that all ask me silly questions all day and one even ugraded ota on their g2 and lost root.. Now they have ginger 2.3.2 i thi k and that cannot be rooted last i checked. I do wonder why people do the minimal searching... I took the time to learn this stuff so why can they... It does get frustrating
Sorry. Not trying toput the OP down.. I mean we all start somewhere, but google and search feature are huge helps =)

Help Newbie with Nexus One

Hi All, I just got my Nexus one off ebay and it appears its not rooted as i do not see the padlock icon and i also cannot run the nexus torch.
What im looking to do is revert back to the stock software and than do all the OTA updates myself.
Can someone help me with this ? Im not looking to root though.
Im running the ATT version of the Nexus one.
Thanks all for your help.

To be root or not
if you do not see the padlock, then you are root!!

hi, yes i know and i do not see the pad lock so i have a unrooted phone. Im trying to find out how i can install the stock software this way i can do the OTA updates myself.
Thanks

If there's no padlock and you're sure it's not rooted... why do you think it's not already stock?

Well its running gingerbread and i wanted to go back to froyo and than OTA the updates myself

If its not rooted, root it! What version you on currently?
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Im on the Nexus one ATT version, running the most recent gingerbread OS.

2.3.6???
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If it is, try root using this... http://apachejava.blogspot.com/2011/06/root-nexus-one-gingerbread-234.html
My dad using my nexus one, so i dunno much... So, is your bootloader unlock, if it is, then go ahead with the link above... Then S-OFF using BlackRose...
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Check this!!
Might help you.
http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/56512/downgrading-google-nexus-one-from-android-gingerbr.html

If you don't see the padlock it means the bootloader is still locked. If you don't have the SuperUser app then you are more than likely NOT rooted. Sounds like a stock phone if you ask me. Why do you want to roll back to Froyo then update? Sounds like you are already where you want to be. It sounds like a case of reaching around your ass to scratch your elbow. Heh. If you try to OTA update it and it says you are up to date, I would suggest leaving it alone or just root it! Good luck!
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zinner526 said:
Well its running gingerbread and i wanted to go back to froyo and than OTA the updates myself
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Why? Is there a problem with what is currently installed? If it's working fine, then I would expect downgrading to a previous version and applying the updates would just get you back to where you are now. I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand what you're looking to achieve
If you mean stock as in "original" that isn't Froyo either. The Nexus One originally came with Eclair (2.1). If you don't have root, I'm not sure if you can downgrade or how safe it would be. I've seen mixed results with downgrading. The only way to do a complete flash would be with an unlocked bootloader or root + custom recovery.
If you don't want to root or unlock the bootloader, why not just do a full wipe and use the version you have on it? You could also root it temporarily to restore to an unrooted Eclair or Froyo, then apply the updates.

Thanks Narbir, I'm going to try this. Does it matter I have AT&T ?

I hope So. I m usng Voda uk. Don't really brother me by that.

Well the phone reboots often for no reason so i thought if i started from the factory installed software and go forward it would help.
How hard is it to root to install enclar and than go forward ? Unless someone has another idea for the reboot issue ?

Install the latest stock ROM in PASSIMG format (complete ROM, all the partitions). No need to go back to Eclair or Froyo.
Prepare for the possibility of it not helping at all, and your phone HW being faulty. If you have ADB set up - you can run "adb bugreport" after the crash, and look for "ARM9 has crashed" line in the log dump that comes. If you'll see them - no amount of ROM switching will help.

Not to sound pedantic, but you seem a little confused (OP). Why don't you start by reading the FAQs regarding rooting and unlocking the bootloader, and understanding the ROM installation processes.
Couple of fundamentals to get you started:
1. The padlock (or absence of) is no indication of whether you are rooted or not. It merely indicates whether your 'bootloader' is unlocked or not, which is a completely separate concept from rooting.
2. Easiest method of seeing whether you are rooted is to see if you have the 'SuperUser' app in your app drawer.
If your objective is to install a stock/default ROM, search for a 'PASSIMG' for the latest available firmware for your device. Search these forums or Google it. The procedure is fairly straightforward and only involves putting the file on your SD card - and will restore your phone to a stock usable state.
If you're interested in custom ROMs, the fastest way to get started is to use SuperOneClick to root (Google, please). Then go to the market and download ROM Manager and just follow the instructions!

Nexus 7 rooted and unlocked but wants OTA updates

Hi all,
im new to this game so please be kind. i have a nexus 7,rooted it and unlocked it,main reason for that was so that i could install stuff from blackmarket alpha that a friend showed me. just heard of the 4.1.2 update and as of yet havent recieved the prompt for OTA. will i still recieve it or will i have to do it manually because i have no clue how to do that and am worried of loosing my root and/or data.
i used this method to root and unlock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh5vawUTJrg&feature=g-hist
i live in australia if that makes any difference
thanks in advance

Ask in the toolkit thread, and don't ask questions in the General section next time.
Beamed from my Grouper.

well where is this toolkit thread?
can you please post a link

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ice_cold17 said:
Hi all,
im new to this game so please be kind. i have a nexus 7,rooted it and unlocked it,main reason for that was so that i could install stuff from blackmarket alpha that a friend showed me. just heard of the 4.1.2 update and as of yet havent recieved the prompt for OTA. will i still recieve it or will i have to do it manually because i have no clue how to do that and am worried of loosing my root and/or data.
i used this method to root and unlock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh5vawUTJrg&feature=g-hist
i live in australia if that makes any difference
thanks in advance
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I just got it OTA. When you get OTA updates, you lose root. To restore root, use VooDoo OTA RootKeeper from the play store. It worked for me

Saturny said:
I just got it OTA. When you get OTA updates, you lose root. To restore root, use VooDoo OTA RootKeeper from the play store. It worked for me
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ok so you are rooted and unlocked and you recieved the update by OTA without having to install it manually or anything? im still waiting for it,it hasnt come through yet

ice_cold17 said:
well where is this toolkit thread?
can you please post a link
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Google.

Mach3.2 said:
Google.
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Such an arse.
here you go mate:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929424
Follow it carefully, ya can't go wrong. I used this method, I kept root and have had NO ISSUES what so ever,

awesome thats great,i think i might try that, does this mean i will have to do this everytime there is a new update out?

Wilks3y said:
Such an arse.
here you go mate:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929424
Follow it carefully, ya can't go wrong. I used this method, I kept root and have had NO ISSUES what so ever,
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Does it take an arm and limb for OP to use a search engine or the search function in this forum?
Beamed from my Grouper.

I've just got OTA too, last night .. to 4.1.2 .. (and yes, my tablet is rooted, and bootloader opened, but with Stock Rom)
.. but after installing the OTA, nothing happened, still 4.1.1 .. and still have root, didn't lose it .. basicly the tablet tried to update, but it wasn't successfully .. any idea? .. do i have to unroot before OTA update? .. and, when i try to search for update in "Settings - About Tablet" it saying "Up to Date.. ." .. strange :/
p.s. sorry for my weak English

Did you modify the build.prop or install a custom recovery?

On the Asus TF201, once you unlock the bootloader, installing an OTA update would brick the tablet.
I'm wondering: why it is okay to receive OTA updates on a rooted Nexus 7 with an unlocked bootloader when doing this on the Asus TF201 would brick it?
Right now, my Nexus 7 is running the latest OTA 4.2. It's rooted and unlocked. I want to make sure that when I try to install the next OTA update, I won't brick my Nexus 7.

How did you update your nexus 7, mine failed for both 4.1.2 and 4.2, I'm stocked in 4.1.1. I got the updates OTA on the n7 but when it restarted and try to update it failed.
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When I received my update, I was rooted with a locked bootloader. I received a notification that an update was ready to install, and I installed the OTA update. I forgot to use the rootkeeper app, so I lost root. I used Wug's tool to unlock the bootloader and re-root. Wug's toolkit didn't have an option to re-lock the bootloader like a previous toolkit that I had used, so I'm left wondering about the significance of leaving the bootloader unlocked with respect to being able to receive OTA updates. I don't have a desire to flash a custom recovery or custom ROMs on my Nexus 7. I do that on my Galaxy Nexus and Asus TF201, but I just like receiving the stock OTA updates quickly and easily on my Nexus 7.
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How did you update your nexus 7, mine failed for both 4.1.2 and 4.2, I'm stocked in 4.1.1. I got the updates OTA on the n7 but when it restarted and try to update it failed.
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Can I update my android version after root?

Hello there,
This is my first time using an android device, and I have just successfully rooted my n10.
But I was wondering if google came up with a new android version can I update it? And after I update it, is my device still rooted?
I'm just asking to make sure I don't messed up my tablet.
Thanks
Tim

D-X69 said:
Hello there,
This is my first time using an android device, and I have just successfully rooted my n10.
But I was wondering if google came up with a new android version can I update it? And after I update it, is my device still rooted?
I'm just asking to make sure I don't messed up my tablet.
Thanks
Tim
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In general there are ways to 'keep root'. But no one knows the future so each time its possible there are problems. People smarter than us will try first and work out all the kinks. If you need to have Google's update that same day you still can, but to do it 100% safely youll need to change things back.
So to literally answer your question - yes your tablet will be able to be updated. (Be sure you learn about what that means w/ root though prior to Googles next update.)

you will lose root. Always check the development section to see if that new upgrade has root.
If they do, upgrade then get root again. I say, be patient and wait for root before any upgrades... makes the Nexus more fun.

leyvatron said:
you will lose root. Always check the development section to see if that new upgrade has root.
If they do, upgrade then get root again. I say, be patient and wait for root before any upgrades... makes the Nexus more fun.
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So do you mean, lets say there's a new android version and I'd have to get the new root then do a system update?
Or do I system update and then root my phone as soon as im done updating to the new version??
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D-X69,
I read on a few XDA posts that when people did the last OTA (4.2.2) update while rooted they lost root, but a few of them had used "OTA RootKeeper" and used it to restore root easily. Of course they had previous to applying the OTA update installed OTA RootKeeper and performed the initial root back.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.projectvoodoo.otarootkeeper&hl=en
Here are more options and a discussion on the subject:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2148167&highlight=ota+rootkeeper
and another where a user directly mentions success using OTA RootKeeper:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2152397&highlight=ota+rootkeeper

Since you are already rooted you have a couple choices. Flash an updated stock rooted ROM or go custom ROM that is updated. No need to lose your root to upgrade ROM.

And, to add to the above, here's a YouTube video explaining OTA Rootkeeper:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky5miA8ilr0&feature=em-subs_digest
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