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Reviews, Feedback & Opinions on Note 10.1

The idea behind this thread is to have all reviews, opinions and feedback of note users collated under one roof.
This would make things simple for everyone easy to post opinions updates feedback, for those who look upon us before making a purchasing decision easier to find them.
I hope this is not take in a wrong way the whole idea is to get things organize so information is easier to find and not scattered around but not boss around or offend anyone.

I just got my note yesterday and I have to say that it's a pretty amazing and fast piece of tech. I'll come back to edit this review more as I use it (and receive my case so I can use it a little more roughly like I normally do).
So far:
Pros-
Amazingly fast.
No stutters (I had the original Transformer TF101.. which had lags sometimes).
Sound is amazing (why don't other tablets have front speakers?).
Wacom stylus is streets ahead of capacitive crap / sorry adonit jot just doesn't cut it).
Multi-tasking is awesome!
Cons-
S-note is.. underwhelming. (But lecture notes was great!) Seriously wished s-note was better because I kind of like it.
Multi-tasking is limited.. (although we get the Galaxy Note 2's multitasking abilities after we get jb right?)
EDIT:
Just used this for class.. and doodling, amazing! It's like taking notes on paper, without the weight and fuss and ink and ****, and I can copy and paste stuff. Also, I used it in the crapper, and it's amazing for reddit and stuff because it won't crash from loading too many images. But the stylus is freaking fantastic! AHHHh! (BTW, LectureNotes is definitely worth it. I like Papyrus more than it in the beginning because Papyrus was easier to use, but LectureNotes' customizability is waaaaay worth the learning curve.)

This is a general trend because of the aprehensions created by biased reviews people have doubts before purchasing a note but ones they have got one they are happy I have yet to see any one regretting purchasing a note
It is a great devices there is no doubt about it
I do not use S notes so no positive or negative feedback but yes those on JB say there are some improvements on Snote
The multiapps feature is limited and with JB some more apps have been added but again no google native apps have been added but the reason for the limitation is due to the reason that for every app code needs to be added and apps needs to be recompiled the problem is that Samsung cannot control the updates of google apps they are push directly and hence it will be difficult but I think in future as time goes by more and more developers will adapt the feature and so the number of apps with multiview will grow

Different Benchmark scores and comparison with other tablets in market (courtesy engadget)
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The Antutu score for Tab 10.1 is 4772 which almost 60% lower then note

Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 to replace the Brussels Philharmonic orchestra’s paper sheet music
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/11/sa...ls-philharmonic-orchestras-paper-sheet-music/
Please go to the link for more information
But it is great to see that instead of paper samsung note is being used and one of the key reasons being for it unique features.
Something to be proud of if you are a note owner

I am making a compilation of different review threads and posting the links of those over here so its easy for people to find them
All credit goes to the respect members who have posted on those threads!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1839603
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1833169
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1972718
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1975869
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1969897
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1942033
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1847817
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1953910
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1833842
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1838739
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1944870
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929997
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1847491
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1939397
If any of the thread starters feel I am offending please let me know will delete the link immediately

I still love using my Note 10.1. Its never given me any problems. Its worked well out the box since day one. So much so that I stayed stock and feel no need to root it. Can't wait till we get JB update. I am very tempted to get a Nexus 10 also. Bit I have too many devices as it is. This device performing so well makes it hard to justify getting another android tab. Aside from screen resolution increase and newer/more powerful processor. And HDMI port built onto device..lol

The only improvements that I would make hardware wise, would be screen resolution and more memory. Software changes would be more apps available to be used in multi screen.
Other than that everything else is spot on.

Another victory for Galaxy note 10.1
http://www.designntrend.com/article...ng-galaxy-note-apple-microsoft-surface-rt.htm
Here’s yet another blow for Apple, which is embroiled in a multi-billion dollar battle with Samsung.
Consumer Reports, a magazine that reviews consumer products, recently pitched Samsung Galaxy Note, and not the market-dominating iPad, as the most groundbreaking tablet of 2012.
Based on performance and innovation, the magazine noted that “the 10-inch Galaxy Note adds capabilities that no other tablet, not even the Apple iPad, currently offers. An excellent performer overall, it almost matches the superb battery life of the iPad and adds a memory-card slot that its rival lacks.”
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On the design front too, many reviewers feel that the Galaxy Note scores over the third generation of iPad. For instance, the Apple iPad 3 has an all aluminum back and glass front, which makes the device heavy. On the other hand, the Galaxy Note has gone for a plastic construction, which makes it easy to hold for long hours.
But if its style over substance, the iPad 3 is the best choice as it “looks and feels like the premium option,” according to an IBTimes

samir_a said:
Another victory for Galaxy note 10.1...
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Until the note 10.1 is used as the reference tablet, or reviewed without comparison to other tablets will be the day. Until that day arrive the iPad is still top dog for most.

dhd1802 said:
Until the note 10.1 is used as the reference tablet, or reviewed without comparison to other tablets will be the day. Until that day arrive the iPad is still top dog for most.
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Very true. But it's hard because the iPad has been cemented in people's heads as THE tablet. Honestly, most people I know (who aren't tech people, but aren't "stupid, tech-phobes" just refer to all tablets as "iPads" in the same way people refer to tissue as kleenex. I'm not sure how any tablet can get away with not being compared to the iPad unless Apple bankrupts or keeps getting bad publicity (and still, not that much honestly) for suing everyone for everything.

Its a brand preception which was generated we can say the same for Iphone but yet S3 has over taken it, yes all people are not techsavy but most of them understand a difference between Ipad and Note the only reason they buy an Ipad is because of the hype surrounding it again it is a brand which has generated over time and it is a good product there is no denying that
Overtime like things have changed for Iphone it will change of Ipad because Apple has reached its peak and now it will slide down like Apple Samsung is looking towards reaching its peak and after it enjoys its stay over there someone else will do that.

After using the note 10.1 for 3 months, I feel that if you are looking for a generic tablet for media and content consumption, a tablet like iPad or the nexus 10 will be more suitable for you, with higher resolution screen on paper and either same price or cheaper. However if you're looking for true productivity, multitasking and content creation (taking notes, replacing pen and paper for a student), note 10.1 is definitely the best option. Well if you're reading this you're definitely not a generic user or average consumer so you know what to choose I personally have no regrets buying it as a student. Have not touched a pen or paper for very long and my laptopis collecting slightly more dust than ever.

i used my note for like 1 month , i really loved it so much , good screen res , very good smooth , no lag at all
u can hold ur pen and type what u want , multitasking are very poweful
i can play all games , i can play with photoshop
finally all i can say u will hold tablet that makes u dont need a PC

Best Tablet I Have Ever Used
Coming from the Asus Transformer Prime TF201, I have to say, this tablet is amazing. My prime suffered from WiFi, Bluetooth, gps light bleed, and I/O issues, even with sending it to Asus. This tablet fixes all of that and still adds more. I was worried about the screen being small, but I looked at the specs of my Prime to find out they both have the same resolution. This tablet is fast, sleek, and does everything I wanted in a tablet. I would highly recommend this tablet to anyone who wants a productivity device or creative device.

I had to make the hard decision between the Nexus 10 & the Note 10.1. I watch a lot of videos & I love great looking picture quality. The Nexus 10 was the best choice in that department, but it didn't offer much else to me personally right out of the box. The Note 10.1 on the other hand did (especially since I'm a student). After looking at the reviews, I was kind of down on the screen, but I was quite impressed when I actually saw it in the store. The screen is not top of the line, but it's actually quite good. Coming from a long line of AMOLED products, the colours look fantastic. Highly recommend this for students & those who just want their tablets to do more.

thas5 said:
but I was quite impressed when I actually saw it in the store. The screen is not top of the line, but it's actually quite good. Coming from a long line of AMOLED products, the colours look fantastic. Highly recommend this for students & those who just want their tablets to do more.
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This was my deciding factor(along with the fact I had a newegg gift card). The "reviewers" harp on it for having a 1200 x 800 screen, instead of looking at what it offers. I decided to look at amazon reviews which praised the tablet. I also went into the store to check it out to find the screen really beautiful. I would highly recommend someone go into the store and check out tablets instead of reading paid reviewers.

The reviewers have only one major so called flaw by them to work with thats the display so all they do is use it to critized the note and create an impression that it is a bad peice of hardware what is surprising is that for a so called bad device there is only praises from the actual users

samir_a said:
The reviewers have only one major so called flaw by them to work with thats the display so all they do is use it to critized the note and create an impression that it is a bad peice of hardware what is surprising is that for a so called bad device there is only praises from the actual users
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They have to find something to grab on to make the device seem worse then the iPad. It is amazing what they say sometimes.

My opinion about note 10.1
I have the impression there is two distinct opinions about the note, i don't know why.
Before i buy the note 10.1 i read a lot of reviews from sites and magazines and so on, and most of all don't give me a good impression of the note 10.1. In general it was a regular tablet.
But in other way when reading the opinion of the users, all of them said wonderful things, some of them already use other tablets like Ipad. And the most important was that they talk about things that i didn't read on the reviews.
One of that things was the S-Pen, yes they talk about it, but, just superficial. I use the pen to do almost everything, write mails, documents, notes, internet.
I can edit photos and videos using software that came installed by root, don't need to buy it. I can make art with it (abstract art because my drawings....). I have real multitask.
I use this tablet for working, not just for read, or using the internet, thats the big diference. Everything i do on a computer i do it here, with a litle bit of practice, but I can do it.
About the display, have anyone already put the note 10.1 side by side with a full HD, my laptop is 17" full hd and i didn't found any diference. Perhaps brightness and colors, but even the same display could appaer different on this aspects, but in the pixels I cannot find.
As you can see i like very much my note 10.1 :good:
Sorry my english, its not my mother language

Anybody underwhelmed? Now impressed!

I got the new Nexus 7 at Walmart and also picked up the old Nexus in perfect condition from Craigslist for $85. Been spending time working with both side-by-side all morning. My thoughts...
1. The new one seems marginally quicker at some things like swiping between screens in the launcher. That to me is the most noticeable difference, and it's not that big of a change. I am thinking the better graphic acceleration contributes here.
2. I can't tell much difference in the screens. I know there is more resolution, but with my bifocals, I am just fine with the old screen. Saturation on the new screen seems a teeny bit better, but there is also a slight buish tint. I expected to be blown away by the new screen. I'm not.
3. Call me crazy, but I prefer the feel in the hand of the old version. The more rounded edges and the back feel better to me. Can't tell much of a difference in weight, but the new one definitely feels thinner, and the thinness cuts into my palm a bit more. I don't like the thinner bezels at all. And the new one is slightly taller, feels kind of awkwardly shaped.
4. The new tablet takes significantly longer to charge.
5. I couldn't care less about the front camera. Will never use it.
6. Perhaps the deal-killer for me is that the new version has some kind of touchscreen problem. The keyboard gives double-presses, and single touches on buttons (like "accept" in the Play Store) too often requires multiple tries. Anybody else noticing this? Maybe mine is bad?
All-in-all, it looks like the new Nexus 7 has provided a nice opportunity to get the old version cheap for me. After trying both, I don't see a compelling reason to stay with the new one. Just my honest assessment. Your mileage may vary.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

having seen 2 different N7 2013 units already, i'd say the screen is a lottery just like it was with the 1st model. yellow tint, contrast setting and scroll blur will vary on each one. btw i never understood the reviews that go into some major details about the screen, like anandtech for example. don't get me wrong, their reviews are amazing but those screen technicalities are not worth anything seeing how the review unit will be different to any actual unit on the store shelves.

Cubfan99 said:
I got the new Nexus 7 at Walmart and also picked up the old Nexus in perfect condition from Craigslist for $85. Been spending time working with both side-by-side all morning. My thoughts...
1. The new one seems marginally quicker at some things like swiping between screens in the launcher. That to me is the most noticeable difference, and it's not that big of a change. I am thinking the better graphic acceleration contributes here.
2. I can't tell much difference in the screens. I know there is more resolution, but with my bifocals, I am just fine with the old screen. Saturation on the new screen seems a teeny bit better, but there is also a slight buish tint. I expected to be blown away by the new screen. I'm not.
3. Call me crazy, but I prefer the feel in the hand of the old version. The more rounded edges and the back feel better to me. Can't tell much of a difference in weight, but the new one definitely feels thinner, and the thinness cuts into my palm a bit more. I don't like the thinner bezels at all. And the new one is slightly taller, feels kind of awkwardly shaped.
4. The new tablet takes significantly longer to charge.
5. I couldn't care less about the front camera. Will never use it.
6. Perhaps the deal-killer for me is that the new version has some kind of touchscreen problem. The keyboard gives double-presses, and single touches on buttons (like "accept" in the Play Store) too often requires multiple tries. Anybody else noticing this? Maybe mine is bad?
All-in-all, it looks like the new Nexus 7 has provided a nice opportunity to get the old version cheap for me. After trying both, I don't see a compelling reason to stay with the new one. Just my honest assessment. Your mileage may vary.
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1. Do you play graphics/processor intensive games? The new processor crushes the old one. I don't recommend the upgrade if smoother swiping between screens is all you're looking for.
2. Again, if you are content with the old resolution... stick with that. Clearly, the majority of reviewers and myself personally are in love with the screen. When I use my GS3 now, I cringe.
3. That's great that you like the old thickness. Sounds like an issue with your expectations.... Not the device itself.
4. You have a point here.
5. You should have known this prior to buying the device.... How can you be underwhelmed by a feature you already knew you didn't want...
6. Never had this happen on the two 32 g models I've used.
TL;DR You're doing it wrong. Stop hating on the device because your expectations are off... Doesn't sound like what you need out of a tablet demands a new Nexus 7... you can't blame the tablet for that.
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Well the reason it takes longer to charge is the old nexus 7 came with a 2 amp charger and the new one only has a 1.3 amp

I for one LOVE the new screen, if you can't see the difference then your in the minority.
An $85 older Nexus 7 is a great value. Just keep it and return the New Nexus, if you do think it worth the premium to you.

I love everything about the New Nexus 7. It is what I expected from Google/Asus and they delivered. What else do you want them to do at the $229 price point? Google has put in a nice 1080p display, underclocked S600 processor, 2gig of ram, 5ghz wifi and the memory subsystem has been approved over the original. My only real criticism is the lack of SD card slot but that is true for any Google device. This is not the perfect tablet and people have to put their expectations in check.
Can anyone compare another $229 tablet to this one? Even the $400 Note 8 gets beat buy this and I'm a Note 2 owner.

I mean for all that are reading this and don't have one yet the truth is this. Should you upgrade? Hell yes!!!! Now when is the question to you I sold my 16gb gen1 for 170 a week ago came with cases so to spend 40 bucks to get the new one is nothing. Even if its 60 dollars its worth it. Think about how much apple fanboys spend to upgrade every year. The new nexus is better in every way possible.
Now if you happy with the old I understand most people are probably using this for reading stuff so the first one is fine. I just never really liked the first design wise
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I still have yet to see the new Nexus 7. I hadn't used my OG Nexus for probably 2 months and, now that I am again, I'm realizing how "good enough" it is. I'm going to have to see the new one to really convince myself to drop $270 on the 32gb.
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its a good upgrade, still a bit of stagger here and there. they should of went with the snapdragon 600 instead of the s4.

This gen is deff better then last gen i wasnt really liking how it felt on the first one this one feels and looks alot better
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fix-this! said:
its a good upgrade, still a bit of stagger here and there. they should of went with the snapdragon 600 instead of the s4.
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We already know its not just an S4 pro. Basically a binned and under clocked 600
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I'm not saying the new one isn't better... Just that it isn't $150 better (to me).
-- Sent from my Galaxy Note 2

It's underwhelming when you compare it against the high expectations of the first Nexus 7.
The original Nexus 7 made an absolute joke of all the other mfg's 7"-8" tablets at their existing price point. The ONLY reason you'd buy something other than a Nexus 7 was if you wanted micro sd card support - otherwise the specs were no contest. And why should they? Google was working on razor thin margins for the hardware compared to mfgs.
If you go to a box store and look at the new N7, and then look at all the other 7" tablets, everything else is still a joke and it's far from underwhelming. Google stated that they were making a profit on this one, but my guess is that a big part of this is being able to leverage Motorola's buying power/agreements to reduce individual component cost. Best buy is making a 3.5% margin on the new nexus 7 (8-9.4USD). - it barely makes sense to take up the floor space to sell the damn things and I'd wager that most other box retailers are not doing much better.
OT
It'd be genius if someone from BB knew that staples was running the tablet coupon of $30 off and launched early to cause staples to take a loss on their inventory ($~20 per unit).

Cubfan99 said:
I'm not saying the new one isn't better... Just that it isn't $150 better (to me).
-- Sent from my Galaxy Note 2
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I can understand that, especially after you mentioned picking up the 2012 Nexus 7 for $85 off Craig's list.
People here are gadget geeks and and spec-mongers, always wanting the latest and greatest (me included). Some of its get a little defensive if someone seen to put down our device of choice.

No I am not underwhelmed overall, but I am by the lack of optimization in the games I care about... The funny thing is the old N7 smokes this devices in both GTA3 and Vice City... go ahead, try and max out the settings, I dare any of you. Now I know this device is significantly more powerful but the bottom line is real world performance and I believe the OP raises a valid point: there isn't a significant difference.
Source: I've owned an N4 since launch (and now an N7.2) and had a friend's OG N7 for a couple weeks when they were out of town.

Yeah maybe the upgrade isn't worth an extra $150 over the 1st gen you just got, but it is still an upgrade and we want the latest and so most people are willing to pay the premium for that.
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This should be consolidated into a single "whine" thread instead of cluttering the forum.

Personally my first gen doesn't come close to touching my new one. Everything is so much faster, smoother and instant. Thanks to the extra RAM it doesn't get crippled when running lots of apps or updating. Can't believe anyone could use both devices and not come away thinking the new one is an upgrade and a half.
Oh, and the screen is flipping fantastic, my GS3 takes a second to get used to when switching directly between the two.
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mi7chy said:
This should be consolidated into a single "whine" thread instead of cluttering the forum.
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Yeah, a shame to clutter a general discussion forum with discussion.
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Well if chime, by the time your ready for an upgrade the og n7 will be worth peanuts

The new Kindles came out, anyone regret buying their N7?

http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/25/amazon-debuts-kindle-fire-hdx-7-and-8-9-inch-tablets-we-go-han/
Snapdragon 800, 2560x1440 and starting price is something like $279. What do we think?

I already do, but this makes it worse....

Macmee said:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/25/amazon-debuts-kindle-fire-hdx-7-and-8-9-inch-tablets-we-go-han/
Snapdragon 800, 2560x1440 and starting price is something like $279. What do we think?
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Pretty impressive.

Not necessarily. Remember, these amazon tablets have their own OS on them. It wont nearly be as easy or nice as our Nexus 7 tablets to root, and put on a custom ROM.
So I dont feel bad yet.

Macmee said:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/25/amazon-debuts-kindle-fire-hdx-7-and-8-9-inch-tablets-we-go-han/
Snapdragon 800, 2560x1440 and starting price is something like $279. What do we think?
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Where did you get the 2560X1440 and the $279 from?
per AndroidCentral, $229 for the 7" model and $379 for the 9" model
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The 7" model matches prices with Nexus 7 and have a stronger SOC, but given the choice between native AOSP and FireOS I do not regret getting my N7 at all(not to mention the extra a month plus I had with N7 instead of waiting for HDX). I know you can root, unlock and flash custom ROM on Kindle too, but the process is harder and the dev community is definitely smaller. I will take a slightly inferior SOC for the ease of rooting/unlock/flash, the easy availability of factory images & the much larger dev community.
Without review we don't even know the quality of the screen yet, per Anandtech's review Nexus 7 have the best screen in any tablet available today hands down, unless Amazon sourced the same screen they would have a hard time beating it.

acdcking12345 said:
Not necessarily. Remember, these amazon tablets have their own OS on them. It wont nearly be as easy or nice as our Nexus 7 tablets to root, and put on a custom ROM.
So I dont feel bad yet.
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'Tis true

NovaSense said:
I know you can root, unlock and flash custom ROM on Kindle too, but the process is harder and the dev community is definitely smaller. I will take a slightly inferior SOC for the ease of rooting/unlock/flash, the easy availability of factory images & the much larger dev community.
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I think, you wanted to say the development community for the Kindle is tiny.
Without review we don't even know the quality of the screen yet, per Anandtech's review Nexus 7 have the best screen in any tablet available today hands down, unless Amazon sourced the same screen they would have a hard time beating it.
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From the hands on photos/videos, it looks like the Kindle screens are very reflective.
My N7 screen is by a huge amount the best factory calibrated screen I had on any device/monitor with an average error of 2.6 dE2000.

Units really look good. I'm really glad to see some high quality tablets become really cheap and affordable. I've never owned a Kindle but I've owned a Nook and I'm assuming the setup is kind of the same with the rom. Dev support was really lacking especially later on. The Roms that were available were all buggy. They worked well enough for people like us but I couldn't hand it over to my mother to use daily.
The N7 is great in that my Mother can buy one and get pushed all the latest and greatest Android has to offer for a few years to come. That, in itself, is worth the difference to me.
Keep in mind these are the just the lowest memory models. So $229 for the 16gb which perfectly aligns it up with the N7. Even the 32gb is priced the same at $269. The good news is that they do offer a 64gb version and support AT&T and Verizon.

Good specs but I personally think the form factor is pretty ugly.

tni.andro said:
I think, you wanted to say the development community for the Kindle is tiny.
From the hands on photos/videos, it looks like the Kindle screens are very reflective.
My N7 screen is by a huge amount the best factory calibrated screen I had on any device/monitor with an average error of 2.6 dE2000.
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I did say later that I regarded the Kindle dev community as small, so I don't deny that. The size of Nexus devices' dev community is really unrivaled, especially for a tablet.

As already pointed out: I don't regret buying my Nexus 7 one bit because of the flexibility. I say flexibility because the Nexus 7 is not only a great average end-user tablet, but also a really great development tablet. You can buy one for 'ma and 'pa back home and keep the bootloader locked and everything stock, but you can also buy one for yourself, unlock the bootloader, and start flashing away. With all the development on the Nexus line, you have a billion options. Between my Nexus 4 and Nexus 7, I flash something new almost every day.
So to answer OP's question: no, I don't regret buying my Nexus 7. And I won't, ever. I prefer software options and flexibility rather than a slightly faster SoC in a locked, or at least less-open, environment.

There were already some rumors about snapdragon 800 when I bought my N7 but i got it anyway.
Their software sucks but it won't be that hard to install Cyanogen mod. However there's always a nexus advantage of software updates.

I'm with lots of others around here. As long as amazon works so hard to try and lock you into their ecosystem, I have no interest in a kindle fire.

The Kindle Fire HDX is no doubt impressive but I have moved away from Android tablets after owning both this and the previous Nexus 7. I think Android is great as a phone OS and with them being 5 to 6 inches, I don't have a particular need for a 7 inch tablet for school anymore. I am personally looking forward to the Nexus 5 and Surface Pro 2 which will be in a whole different caliber with Haswell i5, HD 4400, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, digitizer.

Only thing i'm even remotely jealous of is the offline caching of amazon prime content. I'd REALLY like that for other devices or netflix.

Development for Kindles have been terrible, I think they have two bootloader and both are locked or something, I'm sure I read that somewhere.

I believe that one of the problems with Kindle development were the lack of drivers related to TI OMAP basically being an EOL product and not as open as qualcomm which has CAF, etc. It may be different. There is of course still a boot loader to crack. I don't really care personally since I don't play games.

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Only thing i'm even remotely jealous of is the offline caching of amazon prime content. I'd REALLY like that for other devices or netflix.
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Does amazon have an andriod app for prime yet? The last time I tried I had to load up a flash browser to watch content.

Yea Amazon gets it money from profit from their store content and books. They have very high interest to keep users locked into their software. Even if eventually it gets unlocked and get CM, it still won't be a good as having official support. Eventually development will slow down. New Android updates will cease being available on it. It's a hack job in the first place. Not something you can let the wife or mom use.
Every time I jump out of the Nexus lineup, I regret it very badly.
With the N7, you'll get latest and greatest updates for years to come.

I hate downloading MP3s from Amazon and using their lame bloatware downloader.
Why would I want their tablet?...
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Any sales figures, did this product fail?

I'm surprised how little attention this tablet has received since the reviews at the release where note and gear took the main spotlight. How has this sold in relation to competition?
Samsung is not really pushing the updated outside USA, nobody really seems to care, forum topics are mostly dead etc and yet they are buzzing about new ipad and even the lumia tablet.
Where did this fail? I hardly saw any advertising in Finland. Despite the update issues the device is great and to my knowledge the number one android tablet at the moment. Too high price? 619€ certainly wasn't cheap in my opinion...

Co-re said:
I'm surprised how little attention this tablet has received since the reviews at the release where note and gear took the main spotlight. How has this sold in relation to competition?
Samsung is not really pushing the updated outside USA, nobody really seems to care, forum topics are mostly dead etc and yet they are buzzing about new ipad and even the lumia tablet.
Where did this fail? I hardly saw any advertising in Finland. Despite the update issues the device is great and to my knowledge the number one android tablet at the moment. Too high price? 619€ certainly wasn't cheap in my opinion...
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619€ is outrageous indeed... which version are you talking about? In Belgium it is 579€ for a white 32GB wifi version.
And I don't think it failed, the Note family is destined to be in a niche minority anyways...

699€ or so was the release price for 16GB here but I got 80€ rebate when I spotted a cheaper offer. Still quite steep indeed...

It's doing fine !
A lot of my friends have purchased this tablet and are loving it , but m not sure why they have not been advertising about it so much.
Anyways the S-Pen definitely adds a lot of lovely gems to this tablet
Also it's just been launched , give it time ..
And if people are buzzing about the Ipad .. well I tried telling people the benefits of android but died trying

Co-re said:
I'm surprised how little attention this tablet has received since the reviews at the release where note and gear took the main spotlight. How has this sold in relation to competition?
Samsung is not really pushing the updated outside USA, nobody really seems to care, forum topics are mostly dead etc and yet they are buzzing about new ipad and even the lumia tablet.
Where did this fail? I hardly saw any advertising in Finland. Despite the update issues the device is great and to my knowledge the number one android tablet at the moment. Too high price? 619€ certainly wasn't cheap in my opinion...
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You're making a huge judgment assumption in terms of what deems "success" for high-end Android tablets. They've never sold; for Samsung or anyone else. People don't pay iPad Air prices for 10.1" Android tablets and never have. The general thinking being why buy a knock-off when I can get the original for near the same price? Android's tablet sales gains have all been at the discounted low-end. Despite their price premium and lower specs (standard 7/810" tablets) Samsung still has the most Android tablet market share and is number two to Apple in overall tablet sales.
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Samsung prices the Note-series high intentionally. If they wanted to forego margin for volume that's easy to fix by dropping the price or de-contenting them. The N10.1-14 will be as big a success as the N10.1-12; whatever that means.

What Barry said. While Samsung gave made huge gains in phone sales, the words iPad and tablet are still synonymous. Joe pubic still associate Android tablets with those horrid $99 Chinese seven inchers.
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What Barry said. While Samsung gave made huge gains in phone sales, the words iPad and tablet are still synonymous. Joe pubic still associate Android tablets with those horrid $99 Chinese seven inchers.
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There's also more h/w differentiation at the high-end when you compare Android phones with iPhones. A 32GB iPhone 5C with a non-removable battery and non-expandable storage and a 4" display is the same price as a 5.7" N3. On a carrier contract you can get a 32GB LG G2 with a 5.2" display for $29. On the tablet side the h/w's pretty common between iPads and Android tablets with the exception of expandable storage. People that get the value of S Pen and Samsung's productivity and creation features will be swayed by the N10.1-14. Those that are just looking for consumption won't; at least not as easily.

The $549 price tag was a bit high for me. When Best Buy lowered it to $499 AND offered a $50 gift card, I decided to bite. The $25 Play Store credit and $50 Samsung Hub credit that come with the tablet help too.

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There's also more h/w differentiation at the high-end when you compare Android phones with iPhones. A 32GB iPhone 5C with a non-removable battery and non-expandable storage and a 4" display is the same price as a 5.7" N3. On a carrier contract you can get a 32GB LG G2 with a 5.2" display for $29. On the tablet side the h/w's pretty common between iPads and Android tablets with the exception of expandable storage. People that get the value of S Pen and Samsung's productivity and creation features will be swayed by the N10.1-14. Those that are just looking for consumption won't; at least not as easily.
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This is spot-on. Tablets/Phablets were originally designed as consumption devices, anyone looking to create content content would stick to traditional laptops/ultrabooks/netbooks. With the Note range Samsung has attempted to bridge the gap between the two and for many of us the Note has replaced our laptops. I still cary a small netbook around in the boot of the car for on-site work, but it probably gets used now less than once a month. Likewise my laptop was last used when I reinstalled my desktop PC to Windows 8.1. It's a backup computer nowadays and not a primary device, my Note 10.1-12, now followed by the Note 10.1-14 has replaced that portable functionality.
As to whether this device has "failed" in the sales sense, I think it's too early to call, anyone who's intentionally set out to buy one of these since the launch in October will know that supply has been quite scarce, so demand has so far outstripped supply - that's probably a measure of its success.
As for the Apple/Samsung thing, there's no doubt that Samsung is globally stealing a march over Apple in the smartphone stakes and it's likely that this drive will impact positively on the sales of Samsung/Android tablets over the coming months & years.. As more apps get developed for the S-Pen and more particularly for tablets' landscape format, more people will see high-end devices like the Note 10.1 as a productive devices rather than just entertainment devices. Cheap Android tablets are flying off the shelves this Christmas and many of those who receive a cheap Android tablet will go on to upgrade to a higher-end Android devices such as the Note 10.1-14. Android tablets are already way outselling iOS tablets - there is only one company producing iOS tablets, but there are many producing Android tablets. Android is winning the phablet/tablet race, but no one manufacturer is likely to be seen as 'THE' Android tablet as the market is so crowded, even at the premium-end level.
Apple has successfully associated the generic term 'tablet' with the iPad (it was their original concept, so this is no surprise), I had a customer say to me the other day "Oh, I didn't know Samsung were now making iPads...". It's a bit like the Biro/ball-pen, Hoover/vacuum cleaner, Coke/cola generalisations that have become part of common language rather than specific product endorsement. As a case in point: XDA-Developers came about through the amateur developer interest in HTC's one-time excellent XDA series smartphones, HTC are now a minor player who have since lost their market dominance through poor commercial decisions and lack-lustre 'new' product releases, yet their brand name lives on as the leading portal for Android development. Building your brand name so it becomes the label for all similarly place products is every manufacturer's dream, keeping your products associated with the brand name you created requires continuous innovation and product development. For the moment at least, Apple appear to have lost their edge in this respect. I'm old enough to remember back to the 1980s & 90s when Apple where the computer manufacturer to go to for desktop design, by the latter part of the 90s Apple were close to bankruptcy, then Steve Jobs 'invented' the Apple iMac G3, later to be followed by the hugely successful iPod that replaced the 'Walkman'. The 'i' product brand was well and truly born and it's very successfully taken the Apple logo/brand with it.

I'm thinking about getting this tablet. I'm currently sporting a Nexus 10 since December and still enjoying it without issues. It has served me well. But now that the refresh to the Note 10.1 has made its way and with the awesome screen along with the speed and memory expansion I think its time for a change. I haven't seen an advertisement or seen it available at my local Stores yet. I am a little upset of the price. More expensive then I would like to spend on a tab.
Or maybe wait for the refresh of the Nexus 10...
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jjdevega said:
I'm thinking about getting this tablet. I'm currently sporting a Nexus 10 since December and still enjoying it without issues. It has served me well. But now that the refresh to the Note 10.1 has made its way and with the awesome screen along with the speed and memory expansion I think its time for a change. I haven't seen an advertisement or seen it available at my local Stores yet. I am a little upset of the price. More expensive then I would like to spend on a tab.
Or maybe wait for the refresh of the Nexus 10...
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It's fun reading everyone's guesses about the N10 Gen2 on the N10 forum. Here are my guesses...
Hardware wise, it won't out-spec anything else currently available. The N5 is a good indicator. It's got competitively high-end components but none that exceed what's already on the market. The push from Google for Nexus has typically been "more for less;" not "more" overall. Design wise the N5 and N7-13 don't break any ground with the latter trimming down a bit in size over its predecessor.
I'd expect the N10 Gen2 to follow suit and maybe take on the design language of the N5 and N7-13. I wouldn't expect any ground breaking h/w features and I'd expect it to be either Tegra 4 or S-800 based. I don't think it'll be made by Samsung and I don't think it'll use Exynos. It could be Intel based as Intel's desperately trying to gain ground in mobile.
On the s/w side I'd expect the N5's features to be added including tighter Google Now integration alone with "OK, Google" controlling parts of the user experience. Since a tablet's battery is so large they could follow the "always-on" model used on the Moto X so that you can wake the N10 Gen2 while it's sleeping.
The N10 at launch wasn't cheap at $399 for 16GB and $499 for 32GB. Its big pitch was the first availability of a 299 PPI 10.1" display and powerful CPU/GPU. But that, along with Google-supplied updates, was its claim to fame. At those prices Google wasn't trying to set the world on fire sales wise. The N5 and N7-13 went up in price with the implied justification being more "stuff." I could see the N10 Gen2 starting at $429 for 32GB and $479 for 64GB. That is if Google sticks to their 10.1" offering being high-end. With the success of the N7 at the low end they could go an entirely different route and do a "nicely equipped" (current specs, updated design, new CPU/GPU) 10" tablet at $329 for 16B and $379 for 32GB. I know everyone's expecting the next N10 to exceed the current version spec wise but lowering the price (and content) would probably sell more of them then increasing the specs and price.
As for the N10.1-14's price it's pretty ballsy of Samsung to price it where they have. The display is beautiful; certainly a better display than what's on the N10 even though they are the same resolution. I haven't seen a TF701 to comment on its display. The new form factor is fantastic; it's amazing how small Samsung was able to make it. But it's biggest differentiator compared to other big tablets is Samsung's s/w and S Pen. With things like multiview which has been nicely updated, Pen Window, Action Memo, the new S Note, and Scrap Book it's a fantastic productivity tool. It's my third 10.1" Samsung tablet and the first I can comfortably use as a (part time) laptop replacement. I have two gripes. Well not really gripes but things I question. The phone UI on a 10.1" tablet is stupid and Samsung's implementation unclean. The notification panel when pulled down covers the entre display and rather than take advantage of the added real estate info is blown up in size so the Wi-Fi toggle is 1" square. There are other areas in the OS and TW where the additional real estate is squandered and things look kind of funky. Those coming from a N10 are probably use to it. The h/w buttons are also kind of strange. I've had my N10.1-14 for a couple of weeks now and I'm still not use to them. In landscape they're OK, they're goofy in portrait. Short of leaving the capacitive lights on all the time you have to remember where they are when using the N10.1-14 in dark conditions. And rather than increase the DPI to get more out of the space saved by moving to h/w buttons all you get in return is larger content (EG: bigger icons). I'm fine with it but it's still a bit odd and you can't help think Samsung could have done more to both streamline the phone UI and better leverage the space h/w buttons freed up.
That said, for pure consumption use, you'd really have to want the new display and form factor to pay what Samsung's asking. But at least for those prices the design's improved over past Samsung tablets and it looks more "premium;" especially when paired with the redesigned Book Cover that looks great and adds functionality. But aside from the display, form factor, and better design people that are going to rip out its guts to run AOSP(ish) ROMs might be better off waiting for the N10 Gen2 assuming its price<>value is superior. At least for me, it's what the N10.1-14 does that makes it worth its premium price.
And don't underestimate what Samsung's done with the form factor; it's pretty impressive and makes other 10.1" Android tablets look like kids toys.

As always I appreciate your insight Barry Good points. A lot to think about. Hopefully devs will start picking this up and start cooking up some roms for this tablet. It has great specs. When I had the original N10.1 I had a lot of fun with the Spen but got turned off by the resolution. Now its a difderent ball game.
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jjdevega said:
I see your still as informative as ever
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Or as annoying. The knife cuts both ways.

Google Pixel C

"Google Pixel C 10.2" Tablet With 308ppi, Detachable Keyboard, Lightbar, And Android Marshmallow Coming Later This Year"
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32 GB - $499
62 GB - $599
Keyboard
$149
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Fool me twice google?
It has a 10.2in, 308ppi screen with a bright backlight capable of 500 nits. It is powered by an Nvidia X1 quad-core processor with 3GB of RAM and a Maxwell desktop-class GPU.
Should I start taking bets on full OpenGL 4.X support?
I would sell my N9 at a huge loss in a heartbeat if I thought the PixelC would have full library support for the X1 from Nvidia. :crying:

So, why don't call the Pixel C-> Pixel Nexus?. It's Google thinking of leave the Nexus Tablet program, or they're just waiting to release a better product?.

I only just bought the Nexus 9 during HTC's most recent 40% of sale both because of the good price AND because I thought that there was no new tablets from Google this year.
If the Pixel C isn't called a Nexus, even though it runs Android, it probably means that it won't be running strictly AOSP. On the positive side, maybe this means it will have vendor-proprietary performance optimizations. On the negative side, it might not be as developer-friendly as a Nexus.

nVidia chipset? Yeah, good luck with those updates.

kinda funny how everybody is suddenly slapping a keyboard onto their tablets haha
I've used the surface and other convertibles before, having a detachable keyboard really is not all good, and if you really consider getting work done on the road a laptop would almost be better in every way possible
but there has to be target audience who will want to have those, I'm just wondering who?
also, I'm interested in the price, whether it will be priced like a nexus or like a pixel

This is the first Google tablet that has caught my attention in quite some time. Although, I sort of wish it was going to be released with 4GB ram. Perhaps 3GB is enough though...
EDIT: Does Android Marshmallow have improved RAM management? I was just reading how you can now view how the RAM is being used app by app but wasn't sure if how the OS actually handles RAM management has changed any.

Let's see here...
nvidia tegra SoC.... yep.. won't even consider buying this thing.
Seriously though, what kind of productivity can we expect to do on an Android tablet?
The only thing I can think of is Microsoft's office apps.
From personal experience, a cheap intel powered chromebook is way batter for productivity than an Android tablet.

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Let's see here...
nvidia tegra SoC.... yep.. won't even consider buying this thing.
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What is so horrible about the Nvidia Tegra X1?

michaelearth said:
What is so horrible about the Nvidia Tegra X1?
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I can't say anything about the X1.
But previous Tegras were hyped by nvidia yet mostly failed to deliver.
Latest being the K1 Denver in the Nexus 9. Benchmark scores are off the roof but performance in day-to-day usage is nowhere near as good.
Power consumption is also quite high and the chip heats up like crazy once you start doing anything more than just scrolling through pages.

best tablet for me for heaving gaming

Is this a joke? No stylus support, no mention of improved software interface for tablets. How is this different from a Samsung Tab S2 with a cheap 40 dollars Bluetooth keyboard?

True to that. I bought a Nexus 9 about half a year ago but sold it again 1 month ago. It can be razor fast however I feel the OS (kernel?) is badly optimised to properly support the powerful processor. The Nexus 9 felt laggy most of the time. At 1 point it bugged me so much I sold it off again. Felt like a beast in a cage

CheCorchete said:
So, why don't call the Pixel C-> Pixel Nexus?. It's Google thinking of leave the Nexus Tablet program, or they're just waiting to release a better product?.
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Google actually manufactures the Pixel line. They are typically made with stellar quality, design, and materials (and generally priced to match). Nexus devices are manufactured by other companies (LG, Asus, etc). They are made in partnership with Google and offer the clean Android experience. They're also typically very reasonably priced for the hardware offered (the N6 being the exception).

Here is the spec sheet for the Tegra X1 "Super Chip"
It is a 64-bit octa-core processor, according to Nvidia, with an Nvidia 256-core Maxwell GPU and full DX-12 and OpenGL 4.5 Support

darkchazz said:
I can't say anything about the X1.
But previous Tegras were hyped by nvidia yet mostly failed to deliver.
Latest being the K1 Denver in the Nexus 9. Benchmark scores are off the roof but performance in day-to-day usage is nowhere near as good.
Power consumption is also quite high and the chip heats up like crazy once you start doing anything more than just scrolling through pages.
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Ehh, makes me wonder if you actually own the Flounder or if you're just going based off of what you read on the internet lol.
I've got zero issues with power consumption or heat dissipation with my Nexus 9 (Flounder). :laugh:

So all the kiddies in this thread led to me having no choice but to post, as I have been saying this for months over on G+. If you are having any "issues" with the Nexus 9, it is the way you are going about it, and not the tablet. As @NYCHitman1 can attest, the Nexus 9 is very battery efficient, and mine (at least) NEVER overheats, or even gets close to a point where i would consider it "hot". I get about a MONTH of standby time, and routinely see over 10 hours of screen on time when streaming media, and close to 6 hours of SOT when gaming. Never once has it heated up doing either. I love my Nexus 9, and the only way I would consider going with ANYTHING else, would be if Google decided to release another 10 inch Nexus (f the Pixel). I want the ability to let developers improve my device, I want the bigger screen size (after using the N9 for almost a year, I could never go back to a 7 inch screen like my Flo had), and I want to be able to rely on my tablet having battery left even if I don't charge it for a couple days. In my opinion, the Flounder is leaps and bounds an improvement over the 2013 Nexus 7, and I think Google hit a homerun with it. Just my lousy two cents. (Also, I just recently got 900+ hours of Up Time on my N9, with no lag issues, no freezing, and no dip in performance. The attached screenshot is with about 650 hours of Up Time, and it was still going like a champ)

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PivotMasterNM said:
kinda funny how everybody is suddenly slapping a keyboard onto their tablets haha
I've used the surface and other convertibles before, having a detachable keyboard really is not all good, and if you really consider getting work done on the road a laptop would almost be better in every way possible
but there has to be target audience who will want to have those, I'm just wondering who?
also, I'm interested in the price, whether it will be priced like a nexus or like a pixel
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Personally, I will never buy another 10"+ Android tablet that doesn't have at least an option for a keyboard dock. Ever since my Asus T101, I absolutely must have a keyboard dock for any "large" Android tablet. I'm currently using an HP Slatebook 10 x2, which I LOVE. It's super fast, has a great keyboard dock and it just a great device (love the stereo front-facing speakers too!). ANd you can find the Slatebook for about $200 brand new (with keyboard dock).
The problem with this Google device is that they keyboard dock doesn't have a trackpad, any special function keys, a battery in the keyboard dock, etc - it's just missing way to much functionality that a tablet with a keyboard dock should have (the Slatebook x2 has all of this, plus a full sized USB port, full sized HDMI port, etc).
Even when I'm sitting in front of my PC at home, I still use my Slatebook x2 for everything! Android apps just allow you do things so much quicker than using a web browser - and the keyboard dock makes typing a breeze. Love having the extra battery in the keyboard dock as well....
I also have an Asus T100 (Windows 10 tablet/keyboard dock), but it's nowhere near as useful as my Slatebook x2 for day-to-day tasks. Even the T100 is only $200!
I would love a tablet with a REAL keyboard dock from Google, but this device just isn't it...
Just my two cents!
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NYCHitman1 said:
Ehh, makes me wonder if you actually own the Flounder or if you're just going based off of what you read on the internet lol.
I've got zero issues with power consumption or heat dissipation with my Nexus 9 (Flounder). :laugh:
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I have the 32gb white WiFi variant since release back in November. And before that, a Tegra 3 powered 2012 Nexus 7.
Performance of the Nexus 9 has been fine for me.
It can be amazingly fast at times, then there are some occasional stutters
But unless all I do is read books and documents on it, I could never get more than ~5 hour SoT.
The SoC gets quite hot, felt on the back near the camera, on a daily basis for me, especially when browsing the web.