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Interesting article on the new ipad buyers

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...have-a-clue-as-to-why-they-need-the-new-ipad/
I've been saying this all along. Most people won't be able to tell the difference between HD display and retina display. And most ipad buyers buy the ipad without knowing exactly why.

oooohhh shiny i want one.....oh wait i have something better lol.

Apple are bieist SOBS, When I was watching the IPad 3 keynote I was literally grinding my teeth as they laughed at Android's small flaws (which wernt exactly flaws) and promoted the iPad flawless in comparison compared. This happens every year and this year is no different to apple's routine to demotivate other companies at every keynote!, plus the biggest WTF moment in the whole keynote was when they compared the tegra 3 to the apple A5 and A5X chips and told the tegra to be the lowest one in all of them!!! I mean come on ! A5 was a dual core and Tegra 3 is a quad core plus the 5th ninja core!! WTF APPLE! #$%& you!

alizafar said:
Apple are bieist SOBS, When I was watching the IPad 3 keynote I was literally grinding my teeth as they laughed at Android's small flaws (which wernt exactly flaws) and promoted the iPad flawless in comparison compared. This happens every year and this year is no different to apple's routine to demotivate other companies at every keynote!, plus the biggest WTF moment in the whole keynote was when they compared the tegra 3 to the apple A5 and A5X chips and told the tegra to be the lowest one in all of them!!! I mean come on ! A5 was a dual core and Tegra 3 is a quad core plus the 5th ninja core!! WTF APPLE! #$%& you!
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Apple clearly are the Kings when it comes to spinning stuff...
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goodintentions said:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...have-a-clue-as-to-why-they-need-the-new-ipad/
I've been saying this all along. Most people won't be able to tell the difference between HD display and retina display. And most ipad buyers buy the ipad without knowing exactly why.
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The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.

baseballfanz said:
The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.
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quoted for truth

baseballfanz said:
The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.
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Well you have your hardcore groups in either. I know people with an iPad 1 that didn't feel compelled to buy a 2... but the jump from 1 to 3 warrants a new purchase. I have a Transformer but didn't rush out for the Prime just because. Mine works great and nothing pushes it to a place where it under performs. Same with any make and model.
Its like console sales. Fanboys always say PS3 is selling more or 360 has the lead.... but eventually everyone who wants one will have one and numbers decline. Putting a bigger processor to run a larger screen resolution cancel out the speed benefits of said quad core. Plus native resolution will look good on any screen designed to run that specific resolution. My transformer has a beautiful screen with great clarity but I'm not running 1920x1200... how can that be!!!!
Super high resolutions are best left for the big dogs (ie PCs). 1280x1024 is plenty for a 10" screen. My 26" LCD PC monitor runs at 1920x1200... overkill for a 10" screen.
The downfall is now your forced to stream higher quality video because 480p will look like total crap when stretched to much. That or play them at their native size which will be super tiny = defeats purpose. Plus iOS is faced with ANOTHER resolution change, and we all know apps don't scale in Apple land... so prepare to purchase all your apps and games for their HD+ editions all over again.
Pass.
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baseballfanz said:
The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.
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Um, no.
I went through quite a few tablets (including the ipad) before I settled down to the TF101. And when the prime came out, I didn't go and line up for hours/days to buy one on the first day. I still don't have a prime even though I've been thinking of upgrading. I just haven't found a good reason to upgrade yet.

i think apple needs to realize that a 4:3 resolution is NOT FOR MOVIES, NOT FOR WEBSITES
they should have gone with 2048x1280 for 16:10 res. 2048x1152 is just too thin(16:9, as in dell's SP2309W that is 2048x1152)
still though 1920x1200 is plenty for a 10 inch screen.
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i bet they asked some old people if they could tell the difference between 250ppi and 132ppi
for the record TF101 is at 150ppi. i think 200 is the sweet spot

goodintentions said:
Um, no.
I went through quite a few tablets (including the ipad) before I settled down to the TF101. And when the prime came out, I didn't go and line up for hours/days to buy one on the first day. I still don't have a prime even though I've been thinking of upgrading. I just haven't found a good reason to upgrade yet.
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Um, yes. Maybe not you personally and i never say you. I'm just saying the majority of the consumers out there. you think the majority of Android users will even know what tegra2 is of you ask them. LOL

either ive converted a few people in our area or the Ipad3 just didnt do it for them.........
We took 4 paid pre orders on Thursday (yes only 4) - sold around the same amount again on the
launch day, and maybe a few more than that yesterday......so out of just over 40 we had around half still in stock left,
Think we sold more Ipad2 tbh. We had them side by side with the inpregnated Apple demo photos on the screen and although to some the difference was clear, others didnt see alot in it......infact the majority said "which ones the new one?".......and the ipad2 photos were taken in over cast conditions which showed the ipad3s sunny snaps up better (hmmm)
Ipad2 launch was carnage and was sold out in under half an hour - including main warehouse.
Personally the screen and camera to me are definately much improved.....didnt see much speed difference. Think id be disapointed going from a 2 to a 3 though.

When I was watching the IPad 3 keynote
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The disingenuous part of the speech was where he explains why the iPad will never be beaten by Android tablets: He proceeds to show two apps, for each app he shows the the Android version which looks like a stretched/scaled phone app and then he shows the iOS version which look like HC/ICS tablet apps.
There's several problems with this:
A) If this is his justification for that statement, his justification is a joke.
B) His team handpicked the two worst apps to make his point. It's like claiming you're the strongest in the village and beating up a toddler to prove it. If he wanted to do a fair comparison he should have compared the iOS YouTube app to the Android HC/ICS YouTube app because the YouTube app (and other apps like the G-Mail app) on HC/ICS showcases the new ActionBar and Fragment classes Google introduced from HC onward.
He took the two worst apps that didn't utilize these classes and of course as a result they looked like **** compared to the iOS versions. His justification = a big LOL.
Here's a picture diagram of the YouTube app on both Android and iOS and you'll see they're very similar and if he had shown this it would have deflated his weak punchline. Each fragment (in red/blue) can hold what used to be separate activities so you can see multiple activities on the screen at once on the extra real estate of a tablet screen. The menu is no longer hidden by a hardware or software button. It's proudly displayed on the top as an Options Menu on the ActionBar for crucial options and the rest or what won't fit goes in the overflow menu (green).
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Just wait 'til they announce the iPhone 5...eh...I mean the iPhone 4GS.

Are the ipad 3's suffering from random reboot issues? We can laugh at them all we want, and but at least they have working devices!
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erm we will get a fix for that u know dont be so cynical

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Are the ipad 3's suffering from random reboot issues? We can laugh at them all we want, and but at least they have working devices!
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I'm still puzzled by this random reboot thing that's supposedly plaguing the TF101's out there. None of the 15 TF's we have have random reboots. They all go into deep sleep just fine. I haven't charged my TF since Thursday. It goes into deep sleep almost immediately after the screen is turned off.

goodintentions said:
I'm still puzzled by this random reboot thing that's supposedly plaguing the TF101's out there. None of the 15 TF's we have have random reboots. They all go into deep sleep just fine. I haven't charged my TF since Thursday. It goes into deep sleep almost immediately after the screen is turned off.
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Your 15 tf's might be all good but the FACT is the random reboot problem exist. It's posted all over this and other forums.
Personally i dont suffer from this random reboot but I'm not going to pretend ALL TF are like mine.

EP2008 said:
Are the ipad 3's suffering from random reboot issues? We can laugh at them all we want, and but at least they have working devices!
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Lol! Nice...but very weak dig at Android!
You're right though. Apple devices are perfect . I mean I've never seen my friend shake the thing all over trying to get the screen to "auto " rotate. Or whine when when I plug my Android device in to a computer it just connects and doesn't have to sync every time.
Point is : there are little annoyances on every platform. If you're going to try yo down Android to speak nicely of ipud, at least try harder
PS : aren't you in the wrong forum if you're bah bah bahhhhing for the ipud? Lol
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Lol! Nice...but very weak dig at Android!
You're right though. Apple devices are perfect . I mean I've never seen my friend shake the thing all over trying to get the screen to "auto " rotate. Or whine when when I plug my Android device in to a computer it just connects and doesn't have to sync every time.
Point is : there are little annoyances on every platform. If you're going to try yo down Android to speak nicely of ipud, at least try harder
PS : aren't you in the wrong forum if you're bah bah bahhhhing for the ipud? Lol
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I've got three android devices, two ios devices and one webos device. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, but there's no doubt that the ios devices are better built and offer a better user experience.
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[Q] Nexus 4, or Nexus 10? Which one would suit me more?

I realize it's a comparison between a phone and a tablet, but I really don't know which one to get at this point, so I'm hoping some people can possibly help me out
I was mainly interested in the Nexus 4 because of it's portability, camera (8MP), and it has cellular, which I might find useful. I haven't really messed with smaller Android devices though for too long (used 7-inch tablets), so I don't know how well I'll fair with the screen size. I also heard recently that the Nexus 4 wasn't on AOSP, and haven't really seen anything official saying it would ever be supported...
The Nexus 10 is clearly going to be a "slight" issue with portability. The camera is only 5MP, but I really don't know too much more then that (I'm sure there's other aspects to consider when comparing cameras other then megapixels). The screen size sounds amazing, and would be pretty entertaining for gaming and movies, and the resolution is even nicer. And from what I heard, this is the best device for AOSP currently Has no cellular however, but then again I don't think I would want to be using this thing for a phone either (perhaps I can get a hotspot?)
Hardware is another concern. If I assume right, the better the hardware, the longer the device will be supported by Google. With this in mind, the Nexus 10 would be the last device in the latest list of devices to stop receiving higher Android versions, due to the system specs (has more power to run later Android versions basically). Also, hardware determines how smoothly the device would operate as well. I'm certain that both the Nexus 4 and 10 can do the usual tasks without any issue at all, but gaming-wise, I feel the Nexus 10 would be better.
I also have a slight interest in trying to develop for Android in the future, with apps.
So basically:
Nexus 4 Benefits:
- Portability (main)
- Cellular
Disadvantages:
- No AOSP (yet anyway, if ever)
- Go out-of-date quicker
Nexus 10 Benefits:
- Hardware (main)
- AOSP
Disadvantages:
- Portability
- No Cellular (could maybe just get a hotspot though, idk)
As it stands currently, I can't really purchase either device at the moment (I don't have the funds or card from PayPal yet, Nexus 4 is out of stock, and Nexus 4 is a tiny bit more then I have in my PayPal currently). So I have a little bit before I can make a decision anyway Any help would be nice though.
Also, it would be awesome if anyone who has a Nexus 10 currently could try to answer some gaming-related questions:
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- With osu!droid, when playing a song on my Nexus 7, if I spammed tap input during gameplay, beats would just stop approaching, them all come in very quickly, and cause song failure (this shouldn't happen). Would like someone like to test multitouch and multitouch "streaming" (not sure how to explain it, but just spam-touch the screen with 2 fingers during gameplay).
I might suggest playing a song normally first though just to get the feel for how it should play and how beats approach in, then play the same song again and just spam input as much as possible. Under normal cirmstances, beats should just keep appearing like normal, you should either accidentally hit them or miss depending on where your tapping, and maybe fail the song. With the Nexus 7, beats will stop, and then quickly stream in a few seconds either after you stopped spamming input, or as your doing it, and guarantee song failure.
- Does GTA III play smoothly?
- Does DEAD TRIGGER play smoothly?
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sorry man I didn't read your whole post but one is a phone and the other is a tablet... if you have a phone already (which Im sure everyone does) then do with the tablet !!!! lol

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sorry man I didn't read your whole post but one is a phone and the other is a tablet... if you have a phone already (which Im sure everyone does) then do with the tablet !!!! lol
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I do have a phone, but it's... crap lol
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http://www.phonearena.com/phones/LG-300G_id2928
It does work though lol, and I get free minutes with it. I don't exactly use it a lot though... so hmm

This post is stupid and just cluttering up the Q&A's. They are both totally different devices and it depends on what your requirements are therefore no one here can tell you what is best. If you need a new phone get the 4 if you want a tablet get the 10 if you want both then get both. Simple.

^:That's why It's posted in the question thread, and its used as a question. Not cluttering.
Camera, I don't really think it would matter to much, but both are great devices. I say its all in what you want for portability. If you get the tablet, you'd think you should've gotten the phone. Same if you get the phone. Not much of a help, but what phone do you have now? Do you really need an upgrade?
I'd most likely go for the Phone. Tablets, never really admired them to much. I had a Galaxy Tablet. Wasn't impressed.
Also, this was with a 3MP 2 year old phone stock camera. Look at it :thumbup:
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If your mainly interested in the Nexus 4 then go for that. I thought my I9000 was getting old! It will be a massive upgrade of your current phone.

I think you almost answered your own question with the portability comment. I'm getting the N10 becasue I already have an S3. IMO I would go with the N4 in your case. It will also be way easier to show off the N4 to all your friends.

Well currently I don't really use my cell phone a lot (it doesn't really offer too much aside from calling and texting, both of which I don't seem to use too much) at the moment.
My plan was, if I would get the Nexus 4, was to get a data-unlimited plan, and be pretty much good to go in terms of mobility , However, after re-evaluating my financial situation, I don't really have the money to be paying for a phone plan monthly...
I could probably use a cheap prepaid thing for calling and texting, but having no data (or at least not unlimited) is kind of a big downside. Because of this, I may end up going for the Nexus 10 in the end.
I haven't spent too much time in the Nexus 10 forums at all since I really wasn't planning to buy this device initially, but are there any possible "widespread" issues with this device? With the Nexus 4 for example, some people mention temperature throttling, and there's even a decent thread about yellow tinting on the screen depending on how much heat is generated.

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Well currently I don't really use my cell phone a lot (it doesn't really offer too much aside from calling and texting, both of which I don't seem to use too much) at the moment.
My plan was, if I would get the Nexus 4, was to get a data-unlimited plan, and be pretty much good to go in terms of mobility , However, after re-evaluating my financial situation, I don't really have the money to be paying for a phone plan monthly...
I could probably use a cheap prepaid thing for calling and texting, but having no data (or at least not unlimited) is kind of a big downside. Because of this, I may end up going for the Nexus 10 in the end.
I haven't spent too much time in the Nexus 10 forums at all since I really wasn't planning to buy this device initially, but are there any possible "widespread" issues with this device? With the Nexus 4 for example, some people mention temperature throttling, and there's even a decent thread about yellow tinting on the screen depending on how much heat is generated.
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Considering it's still on it's way to consumers hands, there really aren't any reports of widespread issues yet (that I have read about). I have been looking at tablets for about 6 months now, and was relieved to hear that Samsung was doing the hardware for this. In my research, and talking to people with tablets, there is always going to be some sort of "issue". I was dead set on the Infinity until I started hearing all the negative reports. That being said, I have talked to happy Infinity owners as well. I think with these types of tech, you have to gamble at some point, becasue there is always going to be something better and newer around the corner. IMO, the amount of features you get for the price is just too sweet to pass up on the N10. Maybe I will regret it, maybe I won't. Either way, I will have a 10 inch tablet, where as right now, I don't own one...

If money for the phone plan is a concern, I'm not sure I would consider any of these two devices.
I would say nexus 4, but if you aren't going to use data then you may as well stick with your old phone until you can.
If you are looking at a wifi only nexus 10, why not nexus 7? It has better portability then the N10, and is also $200 cheaper.
Depending on where you live, you might be able to find some free wifi, but I know where I live the only time I find useful wifi is when I'm at home.

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If money for the phone plan is a concern, I'm not sure I would consider any of these two devices.
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Yea that's probably a good point; but I sold my Nexus 7 and other stuff specifically for a new device lol; kind of miss having an Android device
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I would say nexus 4, but if you aren't going to use data then you may as well stick with your old phone until you can.
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I would like to use data, but I mean technically I barely use my current phone as it is. Chances are I would probably use the device for videos and games then actual calling and texting. But since I can't really get a data plan in the forseeable future, I don't quite know how comfortable I'd feel using the Nexus 4.
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If you are looking at a wifi only nexus 10, why not nexus 7? It has better portability then the N10, and is also $200 cheaper.
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I had a Nexus 7, and it was nice and all, but the specs on the Nexus 10 are what make me want it, along with the larger screen size.
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Depending on where you live, you might be able to find some free wifi, but I know where I live the only time I find useful wifi is when I'm at home.
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Yea WiFi is a bit of a problem in my area, but the places I usually go have free WiFi available.
I'm probably just going to go with a Nexus 10 at this point though. Not being able to get an unlimited data plan is a pretty big disadvantage imo, and I barely call and text people as it is currently anyway with my phone (I think I actually used Google Voice more on my Nexus 7 when I had it). The large display and hardware has me really interested in the Nexus 10 currently. Possibly another big bonus is a rear-facing camera, which my Nexus 7 didn't have (didn't know how much I would of liked one until I didn't have it; came from a SGT7 prior to getting a N7).
If anything though, I would most likely get a Nexus 4 later

If you can only get one, get the Nexus 4.
You'll certainly get more use out of it for day to day things and it'll be just fine as a development platform as well.
I'm passing on the N4 because my One X is nearly as capable for my smartphone needs, the screen is right on par with resolution, size and quality, it's arguably just as "sexy", and has twice the storage (and a strong development community).
I might be singing a different song if the N4 at least matched my One X's 32Gb of storage, but that's not to be.
I am however, picking up an N10, despite already owning an N7 and Tab 8.9 LTE. The display...for me it's all about the display, and the N10's display is a significant upgrade from my existing tablets.

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I do have a phone, but it's... crap lol
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/LG-300G_id2928
It does work though lol, and I get free minutes with it. I don't exactly use it a lot though... so hmm
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keep that phone. the nexus 4 not much better!

I'm pretty sure I'll end up going with the 10, but the only thing bothering me currently is, I guess what seems to be the lack of "attention" towards the device? I mean I was just looking at the forum information, and the N4 has 24k posts under General, whereas the N10 only has 2k... I mean this probably doesn't mean much at all, but what would this say about ROM/Kernel development and interest in the long run?

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I'm pretty sure I'll end up going with the 10, but the only thing bothering me currently is, I guess what seems to be the lack of "attention" towards the device? I mean I was just looking at the forum information, and the N4 has 24k posts under General, whereas the N10 only has 2k... I mean this probably doesn't mean much at all, but what would this say about ROM/Kernel development and interest in the long run?
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If you are saying the N10 isn't getting attention, then I would assume your original post is misleading. You were inquiring about portability and such, not development. I think overall, the cellular devices get more "attention" than tablets anyway...

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If you are saying the N10 isn't getting attention, then I would assume your original post is misleading. You were inquiring about portability and such, not development. I think overall, the cellular devices get more "attention" than tablets anyway...
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I don't think I care about development "that" much, but I do like trying out people's ROM's and Kernels from time to time. I guess in the end both devices will have a good bit of attention, with the N4 having more.
I'm using cardboard cutouts of the N4 and N10 atm and seeing how well they fare with general usage around the house. I am liking the N10 a good bit more so far

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I don't think I care about development "that" much, but I do like trying out people's ROM's and Kernels from time to time. I guess in the end both devices will have a good bit of attention, with the N4 having more.
I'm using cardboard cutouts of the N4 and N10 atm and seeing how well they fare with general usage around the house. I am liking the N10 a good bit more so far
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Compare the post counts between the Galaxy Nexus section and the Nexus 7. There's simply a lot more phone owners than tablet owners, hence more raw activity.
But there's no shortage of custom and modded ROMs, tweaks and kernels for the N7, and there won't be for the N10 either.

Ubuntu OS

I know its coming, I will just sit here and wait for ubuntu roms for this phone.

Zedomax did made a port of Ubuntu to our nexus s you can check it out on YouTube

I'll wait with you mate..
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Just checking in/getting in line. Saw a demo at Engadget and the OS looks really promising. Hope a dev can optimize it for the NS.

Waiting
I just hope they can get it working for the NS4G. I might waiver an upgrade for that one.

Very interested in this as well. Looking forward to giving it a run.
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+1 on that might be nice for a an alternative to play with for a while.
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I hope that they will get it to work, but i think we might have good chances to see a rom since you can use the Android drivers (thats what i've read). So lets hope
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I think there's a good chance NS will get ubuntu, but my question is how will it run? Most likely I'll have my N4 well before we ever see an ubuntu rom for NS4G, especially. I think sprint is going to put canonical through the ringer when it comes to getting binaries integrated, and it may never happen, because sprint doesn't want us flashing our cdma device. They are perfectly happy having us stay at ota firmware for the life of the device, whether it's activated or not. Google has a hard enough time getting sprint to release timely updates, and android DOMINATES the smartphone market. Ubuntu is really going to be a crapshot with cdma, methinks
Honestly, my opinion is to get a GSM nexus device if you want ubuntu for phone and you don't already own one....otherwise you may never see a build. Not one that actually utilizes the binaries to get a functioning phone and mobile data, at least
I think I should add that I would love to run ubuntu on any/every device I can get my hands on. I'm admittedly and openly an android fanboy...I know it....but ubuntu for phone could just bea the firmware os that makes me ditch android!! The thought of all my devices, including my PC all being able to sync every single app and piece of data is enough to make this uber-nerd's knees buckle. I recently switched to ubuntu full time. I don't even have a windows 7 partition on my pc anymore, and I haven't used windows 7 for more than 5 minutes on someone else's desktop in the ~4 months since I switched. It's been the best few months of my computer-related life!! I'm actually learning how to use a computer, rather than letting the computer use me lol

looks promising... I wish this os will make battery phones much longer than android

Ubuntu.

I think they are talking about this ubuntu youtube.com/watch?v=sLtcj7FdIYA

I think I should mention the following, since it relates to whether Nexus S will get ubuntu or not.....
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It requires an arm cortex-9 cpu.....nexus s runs arm cortex-8. looks like once again, Nexus S will be getting the shaft. Get used to it, though.....it's not going to get any better for us. Nexus S is a dead device.....people don't give a rat's ass about us anymore, it seems It's amazing to me that the N1 got such a long life of support. They got every single android version up until ICS launched.....but as soon as Nexus S falls two generations behind it gets dropped like a bad habit. You know what NS got??? About 15 GB updates, one ICS, and it barely even made it to JB by the skin of its teeth. Google didn't even comment on whether we'd be getting it or not until the last second because they didn't want to give it to us at all.
It just seems to me like all any manufacturer cares about anymore is making people buy new devices. No companies give the slightest crap about what the customer wants anymore, and it's just sad. There's absolutely no reason NS4G couldn't have at least gotten 4.2 just to keep it up to par with the gsm NS, at least.

I do not want to be a retrograde, but I think the smartphone market is faster than our money. The phones go on and you have not even finished paying for your new mobile phone that is already the most powerful. We are the victims of war competition with people who do not care about the customers. Android then lately is worse off. Mobile phones are more powerful then use that usually makes an average consumer. To run the most used applications do not need 2 gb of ram and quadcore processors. This is not to say that I do not attract smartphones like the Nexus 4 ...
I could be wrong, but I think Ubuntu os will run on Nexus s as it spins in a good Android 4.2.1 and thanks to XDA developers and Cyanogenmod.

Cannonical website do say that it's develloped for dual-core devices.... our phone having outdated (compared to minimal specs) single core processors, I fear we'll never have a trully good experience...

if you remember well, someone ported ICS on nexus 1.
it was not fast or smooth, but they done it.
I'll hope that someone could make the same "miracle" with ubuntu.
Maybe it will bot be a daily-use ROM, but, at least, we could try it.

BenHeng said:
Cannonical website do say that it's develloped for dual-core devices.... our phone having outdated (compared to minimal specs) single core processors, I fear we'll never have a trully good experience...
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Dual core is just for the "good" devices single core arm 9 is the lowest specs a phone should have! But maybe someone will get it working on our arm 8!

Even a port would be great! I'd love to try it out

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It just seems to me like all any manufacturer cares about anymore is making people buy new devices. No companies give the slightest crap about what the customer wants anymore, and it's just sad. There's absolutely no reason NS4G couldn't have at least gotten 4.2 just to keep it up to par with the gsm NS, at least.
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There comes a point in time when a manufacture has to move on. Nexus S with 4.2 is slow as hell and laggy and trips over its own feet most of the time. 4.1.2 was pretty much the same story. Most were surprised it even got Jellybean in the first place as we were calling this phone slow and outdated on ICS. It's two years old.. In technology that equals about 20 years. I'm nearing the end of my two year contract on this phone and can't wait to move my phone plan off it. I honestly never use it except for a phone anymore as my Nexus 7 is my work horse. The only way to enjoy this handset is get something light like RasBean and don't load it up with persistant apps.. CM 10.1 is complete joke on it and I honestly think they're wasting their resources developing for this phone still. Just my opinion.
It's a legendary device and labored on far longer in active development than it should have.

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There comes a point in time when a manufacture has to move on. Nexus S with 4.2 is slow as hell and laggy and trips over its own feet most of the time. 4.1.2 was pretty much the same story. Most were surprised it even got Jellybean in the first place as we were calling this phone slow and outdated on ICS. It's two years old.. In technology that equals about 20 years. I'm nearing the end of my two year contract on this phone and can't wait to move my phone plan off it. I honestly never use it except for a phone anymore as my Nexus 7 is my work horse. The only way to enjoy this handset is get something light like RasBean and don't load it up with persistant apps.. CM 10.1 is complete joke on it and I honestly think they're wasting their resources developing for this phone still. Just my opinion.
It's a legendary device and labored on far longer in active development than it should have.
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then you need to check your settings, tweaks, kernel, etc. I'm getting amazing performance from 4.2!! ICS was a little slow, but 4.1 jb fixed all of that. I had some problems with vanilla, untouched aosp but when I started tweaking it and got a good solid kernel installed, everything was as it should be. If it can be done with roms, kernels and tweaks available to me on this website, it should be able to be done by the aosp team.....i'm just saying....

Anybody underwhelmed? Now impressed!

I got the new Nexus 7 at Walmart and also picked up the old Nexus in perfect condition from Craigslist for $85. Been spending time working with both side-by-side all morning. My thoughts...
1. The new one seems marginally quicker at some things like swiping between screens in the launcher. That to me is the most noticeable difference, and it's not that big of a change. I am thinking the better graphic acceleration contributes here.
2. I can't tell much difference in the screens. I know there is more resolution, but with my bifocals, I am just fine with the old screen. Saturation on the new screen seems a teeny bit better, but there is also a slight buish tint. I expected to be blown away by the new screen. I'm not.
3. Call me crazy, but I prefer the feel in the hand of the old version. The more rounded edges and the back feel better to me. Can't tell much of a difference in weight, but the new one definitely feels thinner, and the thinness cuts into my palm a bit more. I don't like the thinner bezels at all. And the new one is slightly taller, feels kind of awkwardly shaped.
4. The new tablet takes significantly longer to charge.
5. I couldn't care less about the front camera. Will never use it.
6. Perhaps the deal-killer for me is that the new version has some kind of touchscreen problem. The keyboard gives double-presses, and single touches on buttons (like "accept" in the Play Store) too often requires multiple tries. Anybody else noticing this? Maybe mine is bad?
All-in-all, it looks like the new Nexus 7 has provided a nice opportunity to get the old version cheap for me. After trying both, I don't see a compelling reason to stay with the new one. Just my honest assessment. Your mileage may vary.
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having seen 2 different N7 2013 units already, i'd say the screen is a lottery just like it was with the 1st model. yellow tint, contrast setting and scroll blur will vary on each one. btw i never understood the reviews that go into some major details about the screen, like anandtech for example. don't get me wrong, their reviews are amazing but those screen technicalities are not worth anything seeing how the review unit will be different to any actual unit on the store shelves.

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I got the new Nexus 7 at Walmart and also picked up the old Nexus in perfect condition from Craigslist for $85. Been spending time working with both side-by-side all morning. My thoughts...
1. The new one seems marginally quicker at some things like swiping between screens in the launcher. That to me is the most noticeable difference, and it's not that big of a change. I am thinking the better graphic acceleration contributes here.
2. I can't tell much difference in the screens. I know there is more resolution, but with my bifocals, I am just fine with the old screen. Saturation on the new screen seems a teeny bit better, but there is also a slight buish tint. I expected to be blown away by the new screen. I'm not.
3. Call me crazy, but I prefer the feel in the hand of the old version. The more rounded edges and the back feel better to me. Can't tell much of a difference in weight, but the new one definitely feels thinner, and the thinness cuts into my palm a bit more. I don't like the thinner bezels at all. And the new one is slightly taller, feels kind of awkwardly shaped.
4. The new tablet takes significantly longer to charge.
5. I couldn't care less about the front camera. Will never use it.
6. Perhaps the deal-killer for me is that the new version has some kind of touchscreen problem. The keyboard gives double-presses, and single touches on buttons (like "accept" in the Play Store) too often requires multiple tries. Anybody else noticing this? Maybe mine is bad?
All-in-all, it looks like the new Nexus 7 has provided a nice opportunity to get the old version cheap for me. After trying both, I don't see a compelling reason to stay with the new one. Just my honest assessment. Your mileage may vary.
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1. Do you play graphics/processor intensive games? The new processor crushes the old one. I don't recommend the upgrade if smoother swiping between screens is all you're looking for.
2. Again, if you are content with the old resolution... stick with that. Clearly, the majority of reviewers and myself personally are in love with the screen. When I use my GS3 now, I cringe.
3. That's great that you like the old thickness. Sounds like an issue with your expectations.... Not the device itself.
4. You have a point here.
5. You should have known this prior to buying the device.... How can you be underwhelmed by a feature you already knew you didn't want...
6. Never had this happen on the two 32 g models I've used.
TL;DR You're doing it wrong. Stop hating on the device because your expectations are off... Doesn't sound like what you need out of a tablet demands a new Nexus 7... you can't blame the tablet for that.
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Well the reason it takes longer to charge is the old nexus 7 came with a 2 amp charger and the new one only has a 1.3 amp

I for one LOVE the new screen, if you can't see the difference then your in the minority.
An $85 older Nexus 7 is a great value. Just keep it and return the New Nexus, if you do think it worth the premium to you.

I love everything about the New Nexus 7. It is what I expected from Google/Asus and they delivered. What else do you want them to do at the $229 price point? Google has put in a nice 1080p display, underclocked S600 processor, 2gig of ram, 5ghz wifi and the memory subsystem has been approved over the original. My only real criticism is the lack of SD card slot but that is true for any Google device. This is not the perfect tablet and people have to put their expectations in check.
Can anyone compare another $229 tablet to this one? Even the $400 Note 8 gets beat buy this and I'm a Note 2 owner.

I mean for all that are reading this and don't have one yet the truth is this. Should you upgrade? Hell yes!!!! Now when is the question to you I sold my 16gb gen1 for 170 a week ago came with cases so to spend 40 bucks to get the new one is nothing. Even if its 60 dollars its worth it. Think about how much apple fanboys spend to upgrade every year. The new nexus is better in every way possible.
Now if you happy with the old I understand most people are probably using this for reading stuff so the first one is fine. I just never really liked the first design wise
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I still have yet to see the new Nexus 7. I hadn't used my OG Nexus for probably 2 months and, now that I am again, I'm realizing how "good enough" it is. I'm going to have to see the new one to really convince myself to drop $270 on the 32gb.
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its a good upgrade, still a bit of stagger here and there. they should of went with the snapdragon 600 instead of the s4.

This gen is deff better then last gen i wasnt really liking how it felt on the first one this one feels and looks alot better
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its a good upgrade, still a bit of stagger here and there. they should of went with the snapdragon 600 instead of the s4.
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We already know its not just an S4 pro. Basically a binned and under clocked 600
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I'm not saying the new one isn't better... Just that it isn't $150 better (to me).
-- Sent from my Galaxy Note 2

It's underwhelming when you compare it against the high expectations of the first Nexus 7.
The original Nexus 7 made an absolute joke of all the other mfg's 7"-8" tablets at their existing price point. The ONLY reason you'd buy something other than a Nexus 7 was if you wanted micro sd card support - otherwise the specs were no contest. And why should they? Google was working on razor thin margins for the hardware compared to mfgs.
If you go to a box store and look at the new N7, and then look at all the other 7" tablets, everything else is still a joke and it's far from underwhelming. Google stated that they were making a profit on this one, but my guess is that a big part of this is being able to leverage Motorola's buying power/agreements to reduce individual component cost. Best buy is making a 3.5% margin on the new nexus 7 (8-9.4USD). - it barely makes sense to take up the floor space to sell the damn things and I'd wager that most other box retailers are not doing much better.
OT
It'd be genius if someone from BB knew that staples was running the tablet coupon of $30 off and launched early to cause staples to take a loss on their inventory ($~20 per unit).

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I'm not saying the new one isn't better... Just that it isn't $150 better (to me).
-- Sent from my Galaxy Note 2
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I can understand that, especially after you mentioned picking up the 2012 Nexus 7 for $85 off Craig's list.
People here are gadget geeks and and spec-mongers, always wanting the latest and greatest (me included). Some of its get a little defensive if someone seen to put down our device of choice.

No I am not underwhelmed overall, but I am by the lack of optimization in the games I care about... The funny thing is the old N7 smokes this devices in both GTA3 and Vice City... go ahead, try and max out the settings, I dare any of you. Now I know this device is significantly more powerful but the bottom line is real world performance and I believe the OP raises a valid point: there isn't a significant difference.
Source: I've owned an N4 since launch (and now an N7.2) and had a friend's OG N7 for a couple weeks when they were out of town.

Yeah maybe the upgrade isn't worth an extra $150 over the 1st gen you just got, but it is still an upgrade and we want the latest and so most people are willing to pay the premium for that.
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This should be consolidated into a single "whine" thread instead of cluttering the forum.

Personally my first gen doesn't come close to touching my new one. Everything is so much faster, smoother and instant. Thanks to the extra RAM it doesn't get crippled when running lots of apps or updating. Can't believe anyone could use both devices and not come away thinking the new one is an upgrade and a half.
Oh, and the screen is flipping fantastic, my GS3 takes a second to get used to when switching directly between the two.
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This should be consolidated into a single "whine" thread instead of cluttering the forum.
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Yeah, a shame to clutter a general discussion forum with discussion.
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Well if chime, by the time your ready for an upgrade the og n7 will be worth peanuts

Who's getting one and why?

Hey all
So the latest Nexus smartphone has gone big! Not only in size, but expected retail price. How do other members feel this stacks up with other devices? Say the Samsung Note 4 or Huawei mate 7? Is sticking to a Quad-core processor a wise choice, as so many flagships are touting an Octa-Core?
As with Nexus devices, this latest model also does not feature a micro SD card slot, for me a big omission and one reason i myself have avoided the nexus series, is this a big deal for others?
We also see a move towards AMOLED screen technology, personally i really like the vibrant colors and bright display AMOLED brings, but how do others feel about this change?
Who will be grabbing a Nexus 6 and why take this over the competition? Would also like to hear comments from those coming from the Nexus 5, is the screen size just to big a jump?
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I am getting 64gb because,
It is motorola made
It is google device
It is premium
It is top end specced
It is future proof with developer support.

I'll Eventually get one Because :
Nexus 5 is cracking up around the body.
Nexus 6 will have a metal body and wont crack up.
I can trim off an Inch of the screen to make it a better nexus 5

Nexus, that is all.

I'm thinking about upgrading my Nexus 5, but the screen size may have me back off.

I would love it but the screen is too big... I'll proally buy it tho, just cause its a nexus

IRX120 said:
I would love it but the screen is too big... I'll proally buy it tho, just cause its a nexus
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It's water resistant, if you think it's too big - use it as your umbrella as well!

I'm an Android Nut. So obv I love the Nexus Line for all of the right reasons...
But this one has my heart for Few reasons...
Phablet
QHD Screen
Snapdragon 805
3gb RAM (with stock Android... Wow)
Moto Made
SO MANY LTE bands (even band 12 on T-Mobile)
Obv great & long lasting development support
I recently ditched VZW for T-Mobile. Loving it. Have the G3, which is awesome. BUT, wet all know pure Android is where is at. SO, hard to pass this up. Plus I can use my JUMP program to get it, so as long as I put some money down up front, the larger price tag doesn't really affect me (all at once). I love phablets, went from Note 3 on VZW, to this G3. So the size isn't necessarily a hurdle for me.
Mostly tho, it's Lollipop. Biggest & best update to Android yet. And T-Mobile won't mess with the update process. So that's honestly why. Because there's absolutely nothing wrong with my G3. But I'ma nerd, and I want A nexus! Haha

My reason is that I want to move to a bigger form factor and also have the ability to have stock, vanilla Android without bloat. The funny thing is that all those that complain about the price never seem to bring up the expense of the Note 3 or other phones. With those you have serious bloat and no ability outside of root to weed it out. Don't forget you don't have to wait 3 to 6 months to get the latest Android update. Those things taken into account and the Nexus 6 looks like a pretty good deal.

Samsung kept delaying the note 4 in the UK so that it would arrive next Saturday when im leaving to Florida for a week.
So i though F**k it when the N6 was announced as it is cheaper and my warranty will not be void day 1
Although the N6 may be behind on some things, battery life, micro sd card slot and camera.

I love Nexus and have always been disappointed in the cheap feel of the N5. With the spec of the N6, its my total fantasy of an awesome phone.

Upgrading from my GNex, first time I felt it was worthy, second I'm still on VZ.
Will pull trigger after handling one in store though.
As to size, unsure yet, but anythign out there now is a bit bigger than what I came from, however I fall in line with most of the other answers:
future dev support
larger
nexus
Pure Android bliss.
While I hated moto under the JhaTool for how they locked everything down, one really cant argue - moto makes terrific HW, radios specifically.
It's likely going to happen foe me.

Because it's the next nexus...

Great phone and this community can not be beat!!

Getting Blue 64gb:
It is motorolo (I had a StarTac )
It is google 2014
It is premium
It is highend specs
It has XDA developer support!

I was going to get a phone and a tablet but why now when I can saving money and only need one device with an unmatched development community?
I've had two notes. Never removed the battery once, but I did use the SD card. With 64 gigs though, I won't need a card. I also used the MultiWindows and pen windows a lot but now I can get those features from Xposed with TouchWiz bloat and ugliness. There's nothing else the Note offers me. Maybe a slightly better camera (we'll see), but that's not a priority of mine.
The Mate 7 looked awesome, and I considered it over the Nexus, but it will have little to no development, and is only a little cheaper.

To utilize my jump. Might as well jump every six months since I'm paying for it.
And it's a nice device. I miss Motorola from three flip phone days. They always had good hardware.
G3

I haven't had a Motorola phone since the Bionic. Since then I've had the Note 2 and Note 3. I love them, but now that Moto has made a big phone, I'm really excited. Even though it's not really a productivity one.
And I've never had a Nexus, so this is perfect. Big screen like I like, quality Moto, and I can get it through a carrier.
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I was thinking about buying a Note 4 or the Note Edge, but this phone just looks amazing. I also want the biggest phone I can fit in my pocket and the fact that it will be unlocked or unlockable on Verizon also got me. The fact that it already will ship with Lollipop is better yet and will get the latest updates is another reason. I can't stand being locked down as I would be with the Samsung devices on Verizon and I can't switch to Tmobile because they have NO service in my area. This phone is gorgeous and has every specification I could ever ask for. I never used the stupid pen on my Note 2 and I never used the split screen either. I also think the price is fantastic all things considered, even though for some reason so many people are complaining about it. Nexus 6, 64gb, probably white, here I come. I never thought I would say this. Nexus got me with this phone.

My Nexus 5 got jacked few months back!! and I loved it. I was going to buy another but I held back and so I thought, I'd wait for the N6 to release before making my next purchase, I'm still reluctant though due to no known UK price but I had budgeted £450 for the release. But even this is looking unlikely with conversion from USD with VAT. So if I'm going to have to spend more, I really need to see reviews and maybe it in real life