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Skyraider has me thinking... dinc or x

Anyone else have the option to switch to the Droid X from the Incredible but because of Skyraider 2.5.2 vanilla you are having second thoughts? My logic was that a phone without Rom options may stop my incessant xda checking , but at the same time I'm not sure if I can live with motoblur. Also, I really want that big screen. Anyone fell like convincing me either way?
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The Moto X screen is the same resolution as the Dinc screen. That means that the same pixels are just blown up over that big screen. The Dinc screen is so crisp, the X, not so much. Stick with the Dinc.

Its not the same resolution, but close enough.

I bought the x the day it came out, sent it back a week later, and reactivated my Incredible. I just didn't care for the size of the X, or the physical buttons.

A good investment
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Stay dinc...we already have awesome devs and full root and nand
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In addition, the DInc will be the last great AMOLED phone before the coming age of the locked bootloader. Even DInc's in the near future will have locked bootloaders (after the official 2.2 OTA). I fear the age of Android ROM cooking is coming to an end. I'm tempted to go out and buy another DInc, before the OTA hits and then it's...game over... Unlocked DInc's will be worth their weight in gold. Yep, just might be a good time to invest in a couple more unlocked DIncs...
I never was an optimist...

Well done xda! In just 5 replies I believe you have me convinced. Perhaps I will still try the x though... you know what I am really thinking? Keep the small screen (and customization) of the dinc and wait for a Android tablet to fill my large screen needs.
Thanks again, I will cancel my x order on Monday?
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Naw...
Lexus One said:
In addition, the DInc will be the last great AMOLED phone before the coming age of the locked bootloader. Even DInc's in the near future will have locked bootloaders (after the official 2.2 OTA). I fear the age of Android ROM cooking is coming to an end. I'm tempted to go out and buy another DInc, before the OTA hits and then it's...game over... Unlocked DInc's will be worth their weight in gold. Yep, just might be a good time to invest in a couple more unlocked DIncs...
I never was an optimist...
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The cat and mouse game will continue. Nothing is unrootable. You can't give someone the keys and the lock and expect it not to get picked.

dhalem said:
The cat and mouse game will continue. Nothing is unrootable. You can't give someone the keys and the lock and expect it not to get picked.
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Rooting is a different process than flashing ROMs...or so I have read. But the only way a locked & digitally signed bootloader will get picked is with the appropriate key. And only Verizon has the key and will be able to update your ROMs. It's going to be a lot tougher now. Someone on the inside will have to leak the digital key. Not saying that this can't happen...but will it? Only time will tell...

Lexus One said:
Rooting is a different process than flashing ROMs...or so I have read. But the only way a locked & digitally signed bootloader will get picked is with the appropriate key. And only Verizon has the key and will be able to update your ROMs. It's going to be a lot tougher now. Someone on the inside will have to leak the digital key. Not saying that this can't happen...but will it? Only time will tell...
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Couldn't the new law on jailbreaking/rooting come into play here? It's now 100% legal so couldn't you go in and say (using vzw as an example any carrier will work) Verizon, I have this phone here I want rooted. Verizon then says ok we will give you access if you sign this saying you know and are willfully voiding your warranty. Or something like that. I just can't see how these scenarios or something similar won't happen with the new ruling
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Yodes said:
Couldn't the new law on jailbreaking/rooting come into play here? It's now 100% legal so couldn't you go in and say (using vzw as an example any carrier will work) Verizon, I have this phone here I want rooted. Verizon then says ok we will give you access if you sign this saying you know and are willfully voiding your warranty. Or something like that. I just can't see how these scenarios or something similar won't happen with the new ruling
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Its legal, but that doesn't mean they have to make it easy, and it sure doesn't mean that it doesnt void your warranty.

My brother-in-law has an X and I have a DINC. That phone is way to big and comparing them I feel mine works better "my opion". The only thing I like about the X is, it has a nice dash mount.

R800x (CDMA) Sin Files

Hope this will help make a root possible for our Verizon Plays. I am willing to flash my phone if someone makes a solution.
multiupload.com/66W2GWUPFR

I don't even know what these files are but I hope it helps lol

Why do people even have the verizon version of the play? In my opinion I doubt that root will ever happen nevermind unlocking the bootloader for those phones, the amount of time and effort it would take would be crazy. I would personally get a different one
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We have them because att sucks in my area, and it was the only option I can get that I can pay the lease :/ I really wanted a play and thats the only one I can get for 50$ it was this or the droid x2 which... sometimes I think I should of got or waited for the droid bionic
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thatsupnow said:
Why do people even have the verizon version of the play? In my opinion I doubt that root will ever happen nevermind unlocking the bootloader for those phones, the amount of time and effort it would take would be crazy. I would personally get a different one
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because all in all it is a really nice phone, on par with the other 1GHz phones out there on the Verizon network just sacrificed 2-8GB of internal storage for a slide out controller.
Motorola locked out their bootloader but you still see people attempting to get past them, what makes this phone any different? OMG it has a GAMEPAD.
Either someone will figure it out or not, no use *****ing about what people picked, it was their decision. I am surprised my old piece of crap Eris had the following it did. Someone will figure it out. As this was mentioned before, for there being 1 CDMA model to the what 8 GSM versions it will just take a little longer then normal.
Or the GSM side will just spit in the CDMA side of it's face and attempt to forget about it, Either way it is still an amazing phone.

icebear8 said:
... it was this or the droid x2 which... sometimes I think I should of got or waited for the droid bionic
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My wife got a Droid 3 and I was green with envy.... dual core OMAP... HDMI out... (no 4g in our area yet)... HUGE internal memory... amazing keyboard... until I tried to play Nova on it using the touch screen controls...
Gamepad all the way baby!!!

UK official update!!!!

Finally us Brits are getting some official gingerbread yummyness. Although will be tough to change from CM7.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Gingerbread-to-Hit-Motorola-ATRIX-in-the-UK-in-November-228480.shtml
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Happy days! !
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ICS just around the corner and GB is STILL not out!

Hopefully it will come with a new radio which can sort out my random battery drain problems.
Despite trying various radios, my battery seems to lose 3%+ per hour when sleeping so with very light use, a charge only lasts a little over 24 hours. I can only assume the problem is the radio as running Watchdog doesn't indicate that there are any rogue apps. I've tried recalibrating the battery to no end either.
As a matter of interest, which radio are other UK users trying at present? I'm currently on 1.77.30.

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ICS just around the corner and GB is STILL not out!
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Exactly, ICS will be out for AT&T before we even get GB here in the UK. I reckon it could be a while yet as our respective service providers have to add all of their bloatware to it.
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I haven't got a branded atrix so that shouldn't be a problem for me. But I don't know what I'm doing yet. Because if I restore my stock atrix I could potentially lose root and my unlocked bootloader. Meh the decision .....android is a God damn disease.....must have the new update!!!!! Lol
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To be fair Orange dosent appear to have overly bloated it (for a change) Orange Wednesday and an account checker, however seeing as that is available on the market I cant see why it would be an issue, the only other thing I can see is the addition of AP's etc, but again that should all be automatic anyways.......
Orange always claim they need to test it with their network etc but I recon 2 or 3 weeks after it's released we ought to get it *he hopes*

i find it puzzling that the milestone 2 which is older than the atrix is getting the gb update at the same time. Great news for both of our communities. But time and time again...what the hell are Motorola doing with all there time???? lol

I put a question to Motorola via the facebooks, and they said the update will come out at the same time for orange / t-mobile branded phones as it does for unbranded phones.
Of course given the delays to date I suspect the mid-November date will slip, but we shall see

I've got a Tmobile UK Atrix which I've rooted , unlocked the bootloader etc....
Is it possible to get this phone back to a state where it can be upgraded or will I need to wait until somebody does their magic and creates a CWM image to flash?
I'm really unsure how this works as I've seen many warnings about NOT reverting to Froyo if running GB.
Has anyone tried this?

I'll believe it when see it -Moto talk a lot a Kak.
Roll on the Nexus & I can dump the Atrix

SamHanlon said:
I've got a Tmobile UK Atrix which I've rooted , unlocked the bootloader etc....
Is it possible to get this phone back to a state where it can be upgraded or will I need to wait until somebody does their magic and creates a CWM image to flash?
I'm really unsure how this works as I've seen many warnings about NOT reverting to Froyo if running GB.
Has anyone tried this?
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If it's a gingerbread rom flashed through recovery you should be fine. Its just the SBF file to be wary of. If you've flashed a gingerbread SBF don't flash a froyo SBF. or you will get a hard brick.
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Sexywacko said:
I haven't got a branded atrix so that shouldn't be a problem for me. But I don't know what I'm doing yet. Because if I restore my stock atrix I could potentially lose root and my unlocked bootloader. Meh the decision .....android is a God damn disease.....must have the new update!!!!! Lol
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For sure you will loose Root access but you can get it again under Gingerbread.
Regarding the Bootloader I believe that it's a little bit different and I guess when you have unlocked it you can't go back!
If someone more confident can confirm?

Yann_H said:
For sure you will loose Root access but you can get it again under Gingerbread.
Regarding the Bootloader I believe that it's a little bit different and I guess when you have unlocked it you can't go back!
If someone more confident can confirm?
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Yeah probably. But it's not a huge issue rooting and about the bootloader. I wouldnt of thought it would touch it. But knowing Motorola they will screw us over. Lol
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FYI:
Retail update has been released today in the UK, and (if Motorola are to be believed) T-Mobile UK and Orange UK updates will be released within a week.
OTA servers are apparently running behind but updates can be updated using Motorola's Software Update software.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/512793#512793

with luck Orange will have a working copy of "Your Orange" this time too....bloody thing tells me to update then I get "Package not signed" and their CS department are hopeless
Next week is better late than never I suppose

Orange UK update released via Motorola Software Update tool (v45.31.0)
I'm updating now..

Thanks for the heads up - I've just updated my sons Atrix & all went OK.
Seems to run fine on GB 2.3.4 although only tried for an hour or so as it's gone back in the box ready for Xmas

After all of this I have decided to sell my atrix....even bought a play and work kit. But its just not doing it for me. Lol
I appreciate everything all the developers do. But the forums just seem so quiet, even compared to my old desire, that forum is s**t hot still. LOL. It is a shame though as this phone had some amazing potential.
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Sexywacko said:
After all of this I have decided to sell my atrix....even bought a play and work kit. But its just not doing it for me. Lol
I appreciate everything all the developers do. But the forums just seem so quiet, even compared to my old desire, that forum is s**t hot still. LOL. It is a shame though as this phone had some amazing potential.
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I know how you feel. The Atrix forum, I felt, was never the most helpful of places. When I had my htc DHD, that forum was much more helpful.
Anyhow onwards & upwards - My Nexus came the other day so my Atrix is gather dust, probably chuck it in the bin shortly.

Did anyone see dhacker29's post about CM10 on Razr M?

Just read this post on twitter from dhacker29.
And we have Jellybean CM10 on the Droid Razr M
SurfaceFlinger(305): OpenGL informations:
SurfaceFlinger(305): vendor : Qualcomm
SurfaceFlinger(305): renderer : Adreno (TM) 225
SurfaceFlinger(305): version : OpenGL ES-CM 1.1
I wonder if thats for dev phones only right now??? Can't wait to load up some ROMs

TheMayor5152 said:
Just read this post on twitter from dhacker29.
And we have Jellybean CM10 on the Droid Razr M
SurfaceFlinger(305): OpenGL informations:
SurfaceFlinger(305): vendor : Qualcomm
SurfaceFlinger(305): renderer : Adreno (TM) 225
SurfaceFlinger(305): version : OpenGL ES-CM 1.1
I wonder if thats for dev phones only right now??? Can't wait to load up some ROMs
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Of course that's for dev only. At the moment, only dev models can flash anything. We would need safe strap/boot strap in order to flash.
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From what I have been reading I think they are pretty close with Safestrap3 for the M

TheMayor5152 said:
From what I have been reading I think they are pretty close with Safestrap3 for the M
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Where are you reading this? I'm interested in where to find the latest news on it i need to catch up on Motorola development....
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I'm just talking about dhacker29 and hashcode0f twitter posts. This is from the 24th on HashCode0f
Alex Walton‏@audix321
@Hashcode0f are you still working on a safe strap for the RAZR M?
24 OctHashcode‏@Hashcode0f
@audix321 Yes. Working on some bugs with the new splashscreen supporting softkeys.

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I'm just talking about dhacker29 and hashcode0f twitter posts. This is from the 24th on HashCode0f
Alex Walton‏@audix321
@Hashcode0f are you still working on a safe strap for the RAZR M?
24 OctHashcode‏@Hashcode0f
@audix321 Yes. Working on some bugs with the new splashscreen supporting softkeys.
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Is that it? Wow I'm more excited now
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I'm just talking about dhacker29 and hashcode0f twitter posts. This is from the 24th on HashCode0f<br />
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Alex Walton‏@audix321<br />
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@Hashcode0f are you still working on a safe strap for the RAZR M? <br />
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24 OctHashcode‏@Hashcode0f<br />
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@audix321 Yes. Working on some bugs with the new splashscreen supporting softkeys.
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This is awesome!!
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I would love to donate if they can unlock the locked device to load up roms... awesome...
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simpledave said:
I would love to donate if they can unlock the locked device to load up roms... awesome...
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As would I.
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simpledave said:
I would love to donate if they can unlock the locked device to load up roms... awesome...
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Dyelon said:
As would I.
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That would be almost impossible. One does not simply crack a Motorola boot loader. Either we get a leak, or they let us unlock it on the website. We are only gunna get safe strap is my prediction.
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antp121 said:
That would be almost impossible. One does not simply crack a Motorola boot loader. Either we get a leak, or they let us unlock it on the website. We are only gunna get safe strap is my prediction.
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I'd be more than happy with safestrap at this point. I mean this phone was 99% unrootable until Dan started getting back in the game. So M user's should take anything they can get at this point.
Plus if we were able to get plenty of workarounds for the original Razr's then I don't see why dhacker, p3, hash, etc, won't be able to do it for the M.
Got a white one on the way w00t w00t.

got556 said:
I'd be more than happy with safestrap at this point. I mean this phone was 99% unrootable until Dan started getting back in the game. So M user's should take anything they can get at this point.
Plus if we were able to get plenty of workarounds for the original Razr's then I don't see why dhacker, p3, hash, etc, won't be able to do it for the M.
Got a white one on the way w00t w00t.
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They will. You just won't get an unlockable bootloader. We will definitely get safe strap in the near future.
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Keeping my S3, but the M will be the gf's phone. Wonder if she'll let me use it to try and port Paranoid Android over.
Aside from the original Galaxy Note, I've never wanted a phone more than the M, due to it's size, incidentally the same reason I wanted the Note originally lol.
Just can't give up my S3. But as you can see from my signature, I love Moto phones so maybe I'll end up with the Razr M HD or something lol.

got556 said:
Keeping my S3, but the M will be the gf's phone. Wonder if she'll let me use it to try and port Paranoid Android over.
Aside from the original Galaxy Note, I've never wanted a phone more than the M, due to it's size, incidentally the same reason I wanted the Note originally lol.
Just can't give up my S3. But as you can see from my signature, I love Moto phones so maybe I'll end up with the Razr M HD or something lol.
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Definitely a great phone. I'd recommend it. The RAZR HD is better, but you gotta like a bigger phone. I like the 4.3" screen. Believe it or not, this is the smallest android phone I've ever owned. Smaller then my Samsung fascinate!
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antp121 said:
Definitely a great phone. I'd recommend it. The RAZR HD is better, but you gotta like a bigger phone. I like the 4.3" screen. Believe it or not, this is the smallest android phone I've ever owned. Smaller then my Samsung fascinate!
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Played with the M extensively, (my Lieutenant has one), and I'm the go to guy for all rooting and romming needs at work. His has some considerable lag and I can't help but chalk it up to the 1gb of RAM vs the 2gb on the S3. Touchwiz runs smoother and pushing a much larger screen and about 400 more megabytes worth of crap built into Sammy's rom.
W/ that said Moto has my heart and up until my S3 the Razr was the best phone I had owned. Hell I got my parents two Maxx's to get them started on their venture into smartphones. They love them.
Will be interested to do radio strength comparisons. My S3 was pulling better reception than my LT's M, side by side and where mine would still be in 4G, his was in 3G. This seems hit or miss w/ the M's, kind of like the VZW Gnex's. My Gnex was always rock solid on radios but my g/f's Gnex was horrendous. Well we went through 4 Gnex's til we got one that wouldn't drop a signal, sitting right next to mine w full 4G. (Have a tower literally 100ft from my apartment.)
Which brings me to my next point. This whole radio thing w/ the M has baffled me b/c that and build quality are what has always won me, along with others over when it comes to Moto. Locked BL's suck but radio strength and quality mean the world to me. I'm a bit superstitious and my g/f has the most awful luck w/ phones, (i.e....went through 4 Gnex's, her first 4S wouldn't activate on VZW and it was brand new, had to get a replacement, her RAZR charging port got jacked up and she's gentle with her phones, had to get a replacement, we bought her a used RAZR a month ago to leave the 4S behind, and this one wouldn't pull 4G at all....flashed every radio I could....I'm tellin ya, this girl has no luck w/ phones and I pray we actually get a good M, else I think I'm gonna tell her ass to just stick with dumbphones.

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They will. You just won't get an unlockable bootloader. We will definitely get safe strap in the near future.
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noob alert!: safestrap is a safe (a-durrrr) way to flash ROMs, right?
whats the development process like for safestrap? what kind of things is one bypassing by utilizing a tool like that?
just wondering! by the time I got to the Xoom all the devving was full blast so I missed out on the early discussions

Dyelon said:
noob alert!: safestrap is a safe (a-durrrr) way to flash ROMs, right?
whats the development process like for safestrap? what kind of things is one bypassing by utilizing a tool like that?
just wondering! by the time I got to the Xoom all the devving was full blast so I missed out on the early discussions
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I'm pretty sure safestrap is like a recovery for locked boot loader devices. Since we are unable to change the boot img, we must work with that kernel and boot IMG. With safe strap, you have rom "slots" where you can install a system on a SD card (I think, haven't used it). If anyone has a better explanation/more details, help would be nice
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antp121 said:
I'm pretty sure safestrap is like a recovery for locked boot loader devices. Since we are unable to change the boot img, we must work with that kernel and boot IMG. With safe strap, you have rom "slots" where you can install a system on a SD card (I think, haven't used it). If anyone has a better explanation/more details, help would be nice
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It's basically like creating an extra partition. It bypasses the original startup by booting into the actual Safestrap boot screen. From there you have the option to go straight to recovery or do nothing and let the phone load into whatever partition you have active (safe side or non safe side).
Usually safe side is where you custom rom is and what you boot up to. Non safe side is your factory image. W/ bootstrap it would basically overwrite your factory image while piggybacking onto the factory bootloader. Safestrap was invented to prevent bricking in the event that fastboot files weren't available or a serious brick occurs.
Once you get really good, you can figure out ways to flash a custom rom on your non safe side (factory image side) and then another custom rom on your safe side. Virtually having dual boot on two custom roms lol.

I can't wait for some custom business on my M. I have been surprised with how much I love this device. My buddy has an S3 and I wouldn't trade for nothing. I just miss my ability to flash roms and tweak like my og razr.
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got556 said:
Played with the M extensively, (my Lieutenant has one), and I'm the go to guy for all rooting and romming needs at work. His has some considerable lag and I can't help but chalk it up to the 1gb of RAM vs the 2gb on the S3. Touchwiz runs smoother and pushing a much larger screen and about 400 more megabytes worth of crap built into Sammy's rom.
W/ that said Moto has my heart and up until my S3 the Razr was the best phone I had owned. Hell I got my parents two Maxx's to get them started on their venture into smartphones. They love them.
Will be interested to do radio strength comparisons. My S3 was pulling better reception than my LT's M, side by side and where mine would still be in 4G, his was in 3G. This seems hit or miss w/ the M's, kind of like the VZW Gnex's. My Gnex was always rock solid on radios but my g/f's Gnex was horrendous. Well we went through 4 Gnex's til we got one that wouldn't drop a signal, sitting right next to mine w full 4G. (Have a tower literally 100ft from my apartment.)
Which brings me to my next point. This whole radio thing w/ the M has baffled me b/c that and build quality are what has always won me, along with others over when it comes to Moto. Locked BL's suck but radio strength and quality mean the world to me. I'm a bit superstitious and my g/f has the most awful luck w/ phones, (i.e....went through 4 Gnex's, her first 4S wouldn't activate on VZW and it was brand new, had to get a replacement, her RAZR charging port got jacked up and she's gentle with her phones, had to get a replacement, we bought her a used RAZR a month ago to leave the 4S behind, and this one wouldn't pull 4G at all....flashed every radio I could....I'm tellin ya, this girl has no luck w/ phones and I pray we actually get a good M, else I think I'm gonna tell her ass to just stick with dumbphones.
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I had an S3 for 2 months before trading for an M. Your findings are pretty much similar to mine. Radio seems a bit weaker than my S3 was. Also my S3 rarely lagged, but I have ran into lag issues with the M, not often but it's there and I also feel it's from the 1GB ram as I've underclocked my S3 before and it didn't lag like the M can sometimes.

Should I have waited for the dev version note 3?

I get that it will have an unlocked bootloader and such. But does the release of this mean no one will bother with unlocking the non dev version. Because id really like me a custom rom.
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As of now beanz said that only safe strap will be worked on for the non dev edition . which means only custom tw Roms. No kernels, no aosp. No one mentioned the possibility of bootloader unlock, as he mentioned time after time to wait for Dev edition.
Hope that answers your question

I could not wait for a phone that I all ready like... but that being said I wonder if Knox will be on the dev edition? A asop note??? Would be lame!

damn this sucks. the note 2's bootloader was unlocked within a few weeks of release.

jmichaels1982 said:
As of now beanz said that only safe strap will be worked on for the non dev edition . which means only custom tw Roms. No kernels, no aosp. No one mentioned the possibility of bootloader unlock, as he mentioned time after time to wait for Dev edition.
Hope that answers your question
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But even with an unlocked bootloader on the dev edition, how many ROMs, kernels, etc. will be available? I know that Beanz and some other devs said they will get it, but the number of ROMs will still be fairly limited. Not sure if it is really worth it.

hsj1906 said:
But even with an unlocked bootloader on the dev edition, how many ROMs, kernels, etc. will be available? I know that Beanz and some other devs said they will get it, but the number of ROMs will still be fairly limited. Not sure if it is really worth it.
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limited?? Why

hsj1906 said:
But even with an unlocked bootloader on the dev edition, how many ROMs, kernels, etc. will be available? I know that Beanz and some other devs said they will get it, but the number of ROMs will still be fairly limited. Not sure if it is really worth it.
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It will be limited because not as many devs will have a DE version of this phone. They might be able to port some roms but it won't be anything close to the note 2 community
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so why will this bootloader never be unlocked if the note 2 took very little time to get unlocked?

qman66 said:
so why will this bootoader never be unlocked if the note 2 took very little time to get unlocked?
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Well, the note 3 just happens to have a chastity belt of a bootloader which is also guarded by bastard of a shot gun called knox.
Who's to say any tampering with the boot wont trigger knox and void us all to warranty hell.
I was looking forward to using an unlocked bootloader just to get the kernels ect, but I come from the Droid Bionic so im fairly use to using safestrap.
If I can get the bloat gone, deodexed, with a few cpu scripts ill be happy.

Well I giess id be happy with some TW kit kat roms. As long as it imprives battery life and rids the rom of all un-nessesities.
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Wish I knew about how the bootloader was screwed. I Purchased 2 note 3's at full retail, and sold both of my note 2's, only to find out about the bootloader issue after it was all done. I had been so busy at work I didnt have time to research the note 3 very much. I just assumed it would be similar to the note 2 bootloader. This may be what causes me to leave vzw. I hate that they refuse to allow me to use my phones the way I want.

Your departure will not be noticed. Should probably research first before spending 1500 dollars.
If your looking for a few investment ideas with no research first, I got a few ideas.
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worm- said:
Your departure will not be noticed. Should probably research first before spending 1500 dollars.
If your looking for a few investment ideas with no research first, I got a few ideas.
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I bet you feel better about yourself after being rude for no reason.

The note 2 was never intended to be unlocked by Samsung. Adam outler and the xda guys just happened to find a easy way to unlock. Of course once Sammy figured out how they did that, they had to patch that hole and make it harder for devs.
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I thought about turning my 3 in to get the DE version but since safe strap looks like it'll be a go soon I'm not. I think if you use touch wiz roms there's really no need to with the New development on safe strap
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Anyone that buys a phone with no research, at full price, and just expects it to all come together like the previous model is an idiot.
You make your bed, lie in it.
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Anyone that buys a phone with no research, at full price, and just expects it to all come together like the previous model is an idiot.
You make your bed, lie in it.
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You sound like a people person, a real joy to hang out with.

More of a realist that doesn't bull**** and gives it to you straight. Probably should research before you press buy on a whim.
I've havw two upgrades on a Verizon Employee account, I get an upgrade every 10 months and yet still haven't just went and blown money just to blow it. Clearly you can afford to spend 1300$ no problem, but don't come here whining because you just expected something.
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worm- said:
More of a realist that doesn't bull**** and gives it to you straight. Probably should research before you press buy on a whim.
I've havw two upgrades on a Verizon Employee account, I get an upgrade every 10 months and yet still haven't just went and blown money just to blow it. Clearly you can afford to spend 1300$ no problem, but don't come here whining because you just expected something.
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At no point did I "whine", I stated my situation. I also never said I needed my exit from vzw to be noticed, or that it was anyone's fault other than my own. You just seem to have a need to be negative towards me and my situation. Which, from the beginning I said was my own fault, and that I didnt have time to research because I had been very busy at work. and you immediately began talking down. Realist or not, your still being a rude for no reason. Do we know each other in real life? have I offended you in the past? I dont understand why you have such animosity towards me.
I have been doing 80+ hour work weeks for the past month, and wanted to purchase the phones as a reward to myself, and my wife who starts a new job on monday. I had experience with the note line, and it was an excellent product. So I thought / assumed I would have a similar experience with this product. why that offends you? I have no clue. but by all means, lose as much sleep as you need to over the situation.

Just relax buddy the phone will be unlocked soon enough
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