I see in setting - about device: mobile network HSDPA:9
But in status bar - 4G
Is it correct?
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Yes; hspa is 4g and LTE will show up as 4g LTE.
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That's normally.
AT&T tries to hock off their HSPA+ service as "4G" where it is really 3G service. 3.5G (Or 3.75G) if you want to get technical, since regular HSPA is 7.2mbit where AT&T's HSPA+ is 14.4mbit. When connected to LTE it display "4G LTE" on stock roms.
If you switch to any AOSP ROM, they will tell it like it is. Instead of 3G/4G it display "HSPA+". And when on LTE it displays "4G"
Just a ploy by AT&T marketing because Verizon was advertising they had great 4G (LTE), and AT&T's network was very far behind so they got FCC to classify HSPA+ as "4G" so they could advertise against Verizon, where in reality the service is not as great.
On my iPhone it used to display 4G whenever I was connected to any HSPA or HSPA+ tower. The tower at my house was only HSPA (Not HSPA+) as max speed I got was 5mbit/s on full signal. Yet it tried to play itself off as 4G. No AT&T...no...
Thank you for the clarification WoodburyMan.
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i thought the nexus s doesnt have HSPA+ bands? confused here
It doesn't. It only supports theoretical d/l speeds of 7.2 mb
Sorry new to tmo, is the phone on hspa when it displays an H instead of the 3g or E for edge?
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kenvan19 said:
Sorry new to tmo, is the phone on hspa when it displays an H instead of the 3g or E for edge?
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HSDPA is technically 3G.
It will only flip for custom ROMs. The stock ROM will say 3G on both UMTS and HSDPA.
NS does not have the hardware capability to operate on HSPA+. H in network is HSDPA, little snip from my other post.
MrHKM said:
HSDPA and HSPA+ is not the same. As HSDPA (high speed downlink packet access) is considered 3.5G by today's standard and is capable of 7-14Mbps using UMTS. Where HSPA+ (high speed packet access) is 21-42Mbps and sadly due to FFC changing standards its now considered 4G.
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Now back when 4G wasn't used so freely H was fine for HSDPA but now since we have HSPA+ only way you can actually know it if you looking directly at the mobile network type. So from H itself you won't actually know if you are using HSPA+ or HSPA only way is if you install widget that display network detail on panel.
So just curious, I have this feeling that all 3G connections say H+ on the Atrix. I am at home on an AT&T 3G Microcell and it says H+ on my phone and I know for damn sure the Microcell doesn't support HSPA+ speeds.
Any input?
It will display the H+ on every connection besides 2G (edge).
Probably means HSDPA, which most of ATT's 3G network has (the 7.2 network)
thunderpack said:
Probably means HSDPA, which most of ATT's 3G network has (the 7.2 network)
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Nope.
The correct answer is: AT&T has turned on HSPA+ connectivity on all towers, even if the backhaul is not there to support it.
So, this means that if you have a HSPA+ "4g" device it will show H+ irregardless of if the tower is actually broadcasting HSAP+ speeds.
Yea but a microcell device doesnt support HSPA+ thus there is nothing to turn on...
leadguy68 said:
Nope.
The correct answer is: AT&T has turned on HSPA+ connectivity on all towers, even if the backhaul is not there to support it.
So, this means that if you have a HSPA+ "4g" device it will show H+ irregardless of if the tower is actually broadcasting HSAP+ speeds.
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Ya, that's not correct at all. There are plenty of user towers (microcells) that haven't been patched or "turned on" for HSPA+ and they're still showing the "H+" in the top.
The reason is because AT&T 3G *IS* HSPA...so instead of saying 3G it just says H.
I have my phone with gingerblur and it only shows H. My gf's is stock and afaik only shows H+.
Is there a way I can find out which mode I'm in?
I looked in settings > status and there it's just HSDPA usually and says 3G
Thanks!
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Without doing a speed test =D maybe you could alter the pic used but I'd have to research more. Haven't themed that much.
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According to Jessica Wilson (952.703.4316) at Atts Office of the Pres, the H+ icon indicates you are on a 3G capable network. I know thats not helpful, but thats Atts answer to your question.
The Atrix SW only uses one icon for 3G connection, no matter whether it's 3G or HSPA. In stock, that's H+, in GingerBlur it's H. I set it to 3G on my modified GingerBlur. Cheating? Maybe.
You can do an H+ icon and push it into GingerBlur's framework-res.apk and replace it on your phone, if you really must have the +.
I got to ask, at my work place I don't get 3g but usually edge but once I got gingerblur at home I get (H) and when I go to work I get (E) and sometimes (G). I would think (E) stands for edge but what is (G) if (H) is for 3g? Thanks
Texasyoungin said:
I got to ask, at my work place I don't get 3g but usually edge but once I got gingerblur at home I get (H) and when I go to work I get (E) and sometimes (G). I would think (E) stands for edge but what is (G) if (H) is for 3g? Thanks
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g - 1g, e -2g, 3g, h+ - 4g
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Jessica Wilson (952.703.4316) at Atts Office of the Pres
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Number noted and applied to restroom walls!
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steevquinn said:
g - 1g, e -2g, 3g, h+ - 4g
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Thats confusing and wrong bud...
1G is the old Analogue system from like 20 years ago
G = GPRS or 2G
E = Edge or 2.5G
H = UTMS or 3G
H+ = HSDPA or 3.5G/4G
Thats what it should be... I think
tehrules said:
Thats confusing and wrong bud...
1G is the old Analogue system from like 20 years ago
G = GPRS or 2G
E = Edge or 2.5G
H = UTMS or 3G
H+ = HSDPA or 3.5G/4G
Thats what it should be... I think
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H+ should be HSPA and/or HSPA+. Otherwise, you're right on the mark.
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H+ should be HSPA and/or HSPA+. Otherwise, you're right on the mark.
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Cool
HSDPA / HSPA same thing, or quoting wikipedia "an amalgamation of HSDPA and HSPUA"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_Packet_Access
razorseal said:
I have my phone with gingerblur and it only shows H. My gf's is stock and afaik only shows H+.
Is there a way I can find out which mode I'm in?
I looked in settings > status and there it's just HSDPA usually and says 3G
Thanks!
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you won't be truly HSPA+ (H+) until enhanced backhaul has been installed at cell sites in your area.
check the coverage map:
http://www.att.com/network/
click coverage at the bottom and run your cursor over the map of the US. Cities that have had some enhanced backhaul installed will show up as you mouse over them.
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H+ should be HSPA and/or HSPA+. Otherwise, you're right on the mark.
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Any 3G connection - normal (UMTS), HSPA or HSPA+, is displayed as:
- H+ in stock
- H in GingerBlur
G is GPRS and E is Edge. For some reason, I don't get Edge here in Singapore. Maybe they don't have it. Or maybe the Atrix doesn't distinguish between G and E anymore in 1.8.3... Or maybe Atrix is incompatible with Edge here. No idea.
I think the classifications of the different connection speeds in Android are a bit dumb.
My Nokia N900 displays, 2G for GPRS, 2.5G for Edge, 3G for UTMS, 3.5G for HSPA (Obviously if it supported HSPA/LTE/WiMax etc, it would display 4G lol) and that makes logical sense to me.
Its really weird, my phone shows that my network is on hspa when I force it to wcdma only. I'm on Fido and they share rogers towers and their hsdpa? Random... I am however getting about 5 down and 1.5 up which is fast enough for me really.
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Go to your dialer and enter *#*#4636#*#*
Then go to Phone information, you should see your Network type there.
I've only seen two network icons in the stock status bar, E and H+ -- but H+ has been used while I'm on HSDPA and HSPA and even UMTS, so it's ultra unreliable, and I've never even seen HSPA+!
And an FYI:
No matter what the 4G coverage areas on the maps and what the mobile network company reps say, there are no true 4G networks in existence today, at least none that honor the original requirements for 4G.
Basically what occurred was that the ITU came up with a standard called 4G, companies falsely marketed 3G technologies as 4G, ITU gave up on the 4G standard, told the mobile network companies that they can keep the now meaningless term, and the ITU then made the IMT-Advanced standard which is what 4G should have been all along. IMT-Advanced solutions are in development, and not yet public.
ChongoDroid said:
Its really weird, my phone shows that my network is on hspa when I force it to wcdma only. I'm on Fido and they share rogers towers and their hsdpa? Random... I am however getting about 5 down and 1.5 up which is fast enough for me really.
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Well, HSPA is just an upgrade to WCDMA = UMTS. So I am not surprised. I do not think you can force your phone to NOT use HSPA but remain on 3G.
If you want 2G only... that is GSM I think.
I know T- mobile is rolling out their 1900mhz band across the US this year, and in the last few days I've noticed much better signal strength and I just ran a speedtest and was very impressed by the results. I've had better upload results but this is by far the fastest upload speeds I've seen on the mobile data network.
Showed the 'H' icon next to the signal bars, I wonder if our phones will ever show 'LTE'?
I know I'm getting 4G but never says 4G. Always just 'H'.
Anyway, here's a screen if the results:
http://db.tt/V0IaSyjO
Close to 20Mbps!
Haha, I, as well as many others in this forum have been getting 20-25 off HSPA 42. There is an internal setting in the Nexus 4 to enable LTE, and if you connect to LTE, it shows the appropriate symbol, too. Currently, the flavor of LTE that the Nexus likes is only available in Canada (and maybe other places, but not US yet as far as I know), but it's starting to get deployed in the US via T-Mobile. It started off in Las Vegas and Kansas, or will be starting off, so if you're not in either of those places, you probably don't have LTE.
AW: Are these speeds LTE level?
Look under Settings-About the phone- status, there you can see the type of connection
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Its always gonna say h. There are ROMS that replace the icon with a 4g icon but most of them leave them as is. That doesnt mean your not getting 4g , plus those speeds look very good to me
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Those speeds are excellent for 4g, but with lte you're going to see upload speeds as fast as your download speeds.
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Haha, I, as well as many others in this forum have been getting 20-25 off HSPA 42. There is an internal setting in the Nexus 4 to enable LTE, and if you connect to LTE, it shows the appropriate symbol, too. Currently, the flavor of LTE that the Nexus likes is only available in Canada (and maybe other places, but not US yet as far as I know), but it's starting to get deployed in the US via T-Mobile. It started off in Las Vegas and Kansas, or will be starting off, so if you're not in either of those places, you probably don't have LTE.
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All good to know.
I'm in Seattle regularly, which was one if the first places T-Mobile rolled out their 1900mhz LTE service, do how do I turn on this internal setting you mentioned?
Thanks.
Globespy said:
All good to know.
I'm in Seattle regularly, which was one if the first places T-Mobile rolled out their 1900mhz LTE service, do how do I turn on this internal setting you mentioned?
Thanks.
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T-Mobile isn't rolling out LTE on 1900mhz. That's just 3G.
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joshnichols189 said:
T-Mobile isn't rolling out LTE on 1900mhz. That's just 3G.
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Interesting, I've received different information. I've spoken with level 3 tech support numerous times about the roll out of their 1900mhz band during 2013 across the US, and they confirmed that their version of LTE will use the 1900mhz frequency (which, incidentally is the most highly used global frequency for high speed data - I'm a British and Australian Citizen as well as US Citizen and use my phones worldwide). The 700mhz frequency is for Verizon LTE phones, so T-Mobiles decision to run 1900mhz will mean that AT&T customers can move to T-Mobile with their existing phones
Their current 3G and 4G runs on 1700mhz - of course your phone will only get 4G if it's hardware capable of 4G.
Here's an article that will explain it all for you:
http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/articles/4GNetworkEvolutionVendorsSelected
Uhh
Globespy said:
Interesting, I've received different information. I've spoken with level 3 tech support numerous times about the roll out of their 1900mhz band during 2013 across the US, and they confirmed that their version of LTE will use the 1900mhz frequency (which, incidentally is the most highly used global frequency for high speed data - I'm a British and Australian Citizen as well as US Citizen and use my phones worldwide). The 700mhz frequency is for Verizon LTE phones, so T-Mobiles decision to run 1900mhz will mean that AT&T customers can move to T-Mobile with their existing phones
Their current 3G and 4G runs on 1700mhz - of course your phone will only get 4G if it's hardware capable of 4G.
Here's an article that will explain it all for you:
http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/articles/4GNetworkEvolutionVendorsSelected
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I don't need an article.. T-Mobile is deploying band 4 LTE over 1700/2100mhz frequencies. The 1900mhz band is being refarmed to HSPAP which will allow AT&T users to use HSPAP on T-Mobile. This also allows T-Mobile to stop using 1700/2100 for HSPAP since they will be using it for LTE.
If you are calling T-Mobile and expecting their "level 3 tech support" to know anything, you're doing it wrong.
Also the article you posted even proves my point.. "Refarming 1900mhz for '4G HSPAP'"
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Uhh
I don't need an article.. T-Mobile is deploying band 4 LTE over 1700/2100mhz frequencies. The 1900mhz band is being refarmed to HSPAP which will allow AT&T users to use HSPAP on T-Mobile. This also allows T-Mobile to stop using 1700/2100 for HSPAP since they will be using it for LTE.
If you are calling T-Mobile and expecting their "level 3 tech support" to know anything, you're doing it wrong.
Also the article you posted even proves my point.. "Refarming 1900mhz for '4G HSPAP'"
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Thanks for your clarification. Good to know that we will get LTE regardless as the phone supports all those bands.
And, yes their tech support had been I'll informed before.... I was hoping that since several different people had said the same thing that there was consistency... Seems consistently crap information. However, 1700mhz currently is 4G, so moving it to 1900mhz is to improve signal strength through buildings etc right?
I've since looked at comparisons between HSPA+ and LTE... seems that LTE has a significant edge uploading, not that great of a difference download (especially as download speeds are often limited by the site you visit, regardless of how fast your carrier speed).
I'm sure I'll be happy with HSPS+ as I rarely upload much more than photos I take on my phone camera, and current 4G is plenty sufficient as it is..
My phone used to display 4g when connected to data. I flashed dr.ketan's rom on my n910w8 with data fix. I only get h+ and 3g now. The rom shows my device is now n910g
Kuro Miku said:
My phone used to display 4g when connected to data. I flashed dr.ketan's rom on my n910w8 with data fix. I only get h+ and 3g now. The rom shows my device is now n910g
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4g is hspa+ lower then lte
No, don't think so, 4G is labelled with 4G itself, or LTE.
The American carriers have a bad habit. They label HSPA+ as"4G". And LTE as "4G LTE".
While others label HSPA+ as H+, LTE as "4G"
Trex888 said:
4g is hspa+ lower then lte
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no, that's incorrect.
hspa+ is 3G.
4G is LTE.