So just curious, I have this feeling that all 3G connections say H+ on the Atrix. I am at home on an AT&T 3G Microcell and it says H+ on my phone and I know for damn sure the Microcell doesn't support HSPA+ speeds.
Any input?
It will display the H+ on every connection besides 2G (edge).
Probably means HSDPA, which most of ATT's 3G network has (the 7.2 network)
thunderpack said:
Probably means HSDPA, which most of ATT's 3G network has (the 7.2 network)
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Nope.
The correct answer is: AT&T has turned on HSPA+ connectivity on all towers, even if the backhaul is not there to support it.
So, this means that if you have a HSPA+ "4g" device it will show H+ irregardless of if the tower is actually broadcasting HSAP+ speeds.
Yea but a microcell device doesnt support HSPA+ thus there is nothing to turn on...
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Nope.
The correct answer is: AT&T has turned on HSPA+ connectivity on all towers, even if the backhaul is not there to support it.
So, this means that if you have a HSPA+ "4g" device it will show H+ irregardless of if the tower is actually broadcasting HSAP+ speeds.
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Ya, that's not correct at all. There are plenty of user towers (microcells) that haven't been patched or "turned on" for HSPA+ and they're still showing the "H+" in the top.
The reason is because AT&T 3G *IS* HSPA...so instead of saying 3G it just says H.
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I have my phone with gingerblur and it only shows H. My gf's is stock and afaik only shows H+.
Is there a way I can find out which mode I'm in?
I looked in settings > status and there it's just HSDPA usually and says 3G
Thanks!
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Without doing a speed test =D maybe you could alter the pic used but I'd have to research more. Haven't themed that much.
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According to Jessica Wilson (952.703.4316) at Atts Office of the Pres, the H+ icon indicates you are on a 3G capable network. I know thats not helpful, but thats Atts answer to your question.
The Atrix SW only uses one icon for 3G connection, no matter whether it's 3G or HSPA. In stock, that's H+, in GingerBlur it's H. I set it to 3G on my modified GingerBlur. Cheating? Maybe.
You can do an H+ icon and push it into GingerBlur's framework-res.apk and replace it on your phone, if you really must have the +.
I got to ask, at my work place I don't get 3g but usually edge but once I got gingerblur at home I get (H) and when I go to work I get (E) and sometimes (G). I would think (E) stands for edge but what is (G) if (H) is for 3g? Thanks
Texasyoungin said:
I got to ask, at my work place I don't get 3g but usually edge but once I got gingerblur at home I get (H) and when I go to work I get (E) and sometimes (G). I would think (E) stands for edge but what is (G) if (H) is for 3g? Thanks
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g - 1g, e -2g, 3g, h+ - 4g
WiredPirate said:
Jessica Wilson (952.703.4316) at Atts Office of the Pres
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Number noted and applied to restroom walls!
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steevquinn said:
g - 1g, e -2g, 3g, h+ - 4g
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Thats confusing and wrong bud...
1G is the old Analogue system from like 20 years ago
G = GPRS or 2G
E = Edge or 2.5G
H = UTMS or 3G
H+ = HSDPA or 3.5G/4G
Thats what it should be... I think
tehrules said:
Thats confusing and wrong bud...
1G is the old Analogue system from like 20 years ago
G = GPRS or 2G
E = Edge or 2.5G
H = UTMS or 3G
H+ = HSDPA or 3.5G/4G
Thats what it should be... I think
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H+ should be HSPA and/or HSPA+. Otherwise, you're right on the mark.
NoNameAtAll said:
H+ should be HSPA and/or HSPA+. Otherwise, you're right on the mark.
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Cool
HSDPA / HSPA same thing, or quoting wikipedia "an amalgamation of HSDPA and HSPUA"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_Packet_Access
razorseal said:
I have my phone with gingerblur and it only shows H. My gf's is stock and afaik only shows H+.
Is there a way I can find out which mode I'm in?
I looked in settings > status and there it's just HSDPA usually and says 3G
Thanks!
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you won't be truly HSPA+ (H+) until enhanced backhaul has been installed at cell sites in your area.
check the coverage map:
http://www.att.com/network/
click coverage at the bottom and run your cursor over the map of the US. Cities that have had some enhanced backhaul installed will show up as you mouse over them.
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H+ should be HSPA and/or HSPA+. Otherwise, you're right on the mark.
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Any 3G connection - normal (UMTS), HSPA or HSPA+, is displayed as:
- H+ in stock
- H in GingerBlur
G is GPRS and E is Edge. For some reason, I don't get Edge here in Singapore. Maybe they don't have it. Or maybe the Atrix doesn't distinguish between G and E anymore in 1.8.3... Or maybe Atrix is incompatible with Edge here. No idea.
I think the classifications of the different connection speeds in Android are a bit dumb.
My Nokia N900 displays, 2G for GPRS, 2.5G for Edge, 3G for UTMS, 3.5G for HSPA (Obviously if it supported HSPA/LTE/WiMax etc, it would display 4G lol) and that makes logical sense to me.
Its really weird, my phone shows that my network is on hspa when I force it to wcdma only. I'm on Fido and they share rogers towers and their hsdpa? Random... I am however getting about 5 down and 1.5 up which is fast enough for me really.
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Go to your dialer and enter *#*#4636#*#*
Then go to Phone information, you should see your Network type there.
I've only seen two network icons in the stock status bar, E and H+ -- but H+ has been used while I'm on HSDPA and HSPA and even UMTS, so it's ultra unreliable, and I've never even seen HSPA+!
And an FYI:
No matter what the 4G coverage areas on the maps and what the mobile network company reps say, there are no true 4G networks in existence today, at least none that honor the original requirements for 4G.
Basically what occurred was that the ITU came up with a standard called 4G, companies falsely marketed 3G technologies as 4G, ITU gave up on the 4G standard, told the mobile network companies that they can keep the now meaningless term, and the ITU then made the IMT-Advanced standard which is what 4G should have been all along. IMT-Advanced solutions are in development, and not yet public.
ChongoDroid said:
Its really weird, my phone shows that my network is on hspa when I force it to wcdma only. I'm on Fido and they share rogers towers and their hsdpa? Random... I am however getting about 5 down and 1.5 up which is fast enough for me really.
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Well, HSPA is just an upgrade to WCDMA = UMTS. So I am not surprised. I do not think you can force your phone to NOT use HSPA but remain on 3G.
If you want 2G only... that is GSM I think.
Does the Note work with any networks 4g? AT&T or T-Mobile maybe?
Does it work with T-Mobile's 3g at least? If so, any idea what is up and download speeds are?
Im thinking about getting this phone.
It works on ATT's H+ "4g network", 3g network, and 2g edge network.
and T-Mobile's 2g Edge network, not 3g or 4g.
And it should work on any other GSM Carrier in the US, just check the frequencies for 3g internet(if its the same as ATT, and if it is, it's most likely a subsidy of ATT anyway)
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It works on ATT's H+ "4g network", 3g network, and 2g edge network.
and T-Mobile's 2g Edge network, not 3g or 4g.
And it should work on any other GSM Carrier in the US, just check the frequencies for 3g internet(if its the same as ATT, and if it is, it's most likely a subsidy of ATT anyway)
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wow, im glad i asked. looks like i'll have to move to at&t then. No way could I use this phone on just 2g
Hi guys,
I noticed that 4G (HSPA) drains my batter far more than 3.5G (HSDPA).
I noticed this because all day yesterday I was getting H only not H+ and I noticed my battery drained less than when its primarily connected to H+.
Is there a way to turn off HSPA (4G) but keep HSDPA (3.5G) active?
Thanks.
You are confusing yourself.
HSPA and HSDPA is same thing.
HSDPA = High Speed Downlink Packet Access (Downlink/download part of the HSPA)
HSUPA = High Speed Uplink Packet Access.
HSPA+ = Evolved High Speed Packet Access (faster)
All of these are 3.5G only. Some american carriers like to call HSPA/HSPA+ as 4G but its not.
Basically if network sometimes looses HSPA+ connectivity for short period due to network glitches or as per area sometimes. Thats why you were getting just H and not H+ for short period.
Nothing more to it. Phone is HSPA+ ready so if your network supports it, it will default to HSPA+. You can force it to be in EDGE mode, thats it.
Correct. HSDPA and HSPA+ (what he called 4g) is quite literally in every respect the exact same thing. Literally, they are both 3.5g. The battery drain was likely coincidental. More tests would certainly be needed.
RogerPodacter said:
Correct. HSDPA and HSPA+ (what he called 4g) is quite literally in every respect the exact same thing. Literally, they are both 3.5g. The battery drain was likely coincidental. More tests would certainly be needed.
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Nope, HSDPA and HSPA are the same, as HSPA is just a container name for HSDPA and HSUPA. HSDPA+ is up to 84Mbit and HSDPA is up to 14Mbit.
Hmmm so apparently I cannot seperate HSPA from HSDPA as they are the same thing.
HSDPA + HSUPA = HSPA
So does that mean previously the upload rate was not as fast as the download so they introduced HSPA which combines a fast download (HSDPA) with a fast upload (HSUPA)?
Because it appears I can disable HSPA (HSDPA) but dialing *301279# and turning off HSPA which will give me 3G only.
iv owned my atrix for around a year now and iv always had a small problem but just brushed it off my shoulder asif its how the phone should be, although this may be on my carriers side of things.
Im in the uk and i get signal from T-mobile and Orange as there the same company and share satellites but iv always noticed my phone signal status is really missleading, this is how it goes
normal full bars
full bars with 3G next to them
full bars with H next to them
when on the normal full bars i can barely make a call or send a text, after a few retrys it eventually gets there but otherwise says there is no network, so why is it saying i have normal cell data?
then when im on 3G which is supposed to be a half decent data transfer rate, i can call and text perfectly fine but if i try to open a webpage or facebook/twitter, it takes a painfully long time asif to say the 3G is actually cell data or something, its that slow i give up if i see 3G on my phone that means to me that its unusable for anything other than calls and texts...
then theres H+ which is lightning fast.... calls and texts once again are perfect, and when i load a webpage or facebook its faster than my wifi at home... the problem is i rarely even get this H signal unless im around a built up area like a city centre...
what im trying to get at is that although my phone is labellingg the signal as certain things it seems to be getting mixed up?
normal bars fells like it should be "no signal"
3G feels like it should be "normal cell signal"
and H feels like it should be "3G"
im not sure if i get 4G over here in england aswell before anyone asks but my H is alot faster than the 3G on my friends iphones, my friend who also has a sony xperia S also has this same confusing problem..
iv always just wondered why they seem to be labelled wrong, or is 3G just awfully slow and cant handle todays smartphones data?
any answers and discussion would be helpfull.. thanks
Hi, can I just clarify with you which device you have?
Do you have an Atrix 4G from AT&T or do you have an Atrix from Orange/Tmobile/Simfree?
First of all, you should not get confused with the term 4G.
AT&T use the term 4G incorrectly. Their network is HSPA+, which they call 4G.
In the UK, all of the networks are now also using HSPA+.
Another point, if you have a EUROPE model Atrix (Not Atrix 4G) you have more 3G frequencies available to you i.e 900mhz (disabled on Atrix 4G).
You should also be getting the following symbols on your phone (check to see if you have disabled 2G)
G, E, 3G, H (or H+, I have the sim free, it has H instead of H+)
Let me just term everything for you simply:
GSM aka 2G, normally all calls go on this when enabled:
G = GPRS. About 32kbps
E = EDGE. In theory 236kbps but never seen this speed.
UMTS aka 3G
3G = 384kbps theoretical maximum
HSDPA/HSUPA/HSPA/HSPA+ aka 3.5/3.75G
HSDPA/HSUPA or HSPA as its also known = Max theoretical speed 14.4mbps
HSPA+ = The upgraded version of HSPA, also described by the USA as 4G. Theoretical maximum 42mbps (which uk networks are supposed to be rolling out at the moment)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths
tehrules said:
Hi, can I just clarify with you which device you have?
Do you have an Atrix 4G from AT&T or do you have an Atrix from Orange/Tmobile/Simfree?
First of all, you should not get confused with the term 4G.
AT&T use the term 4G incorrectly. Their network is HSPA+, which they call 4G.
In the UK, all of the networks are now also using HSPA+.
Another point, if you have a EUROPE model Atrix (Not Atrix 4G) you have more 3G frequencies available to you i.e 900mhz (disabled on Atrix 4G).
You should also be getting the following symbols on your phone (check to see if you have disabled 2G)
G, E, 3G, H (or H+, I have the sim free, it has H instead of H+)
Let me just term everything for you simply:
GSM aka 2G, normally all calls go on this when enabled:
G = GPRS. About 32kbps
E = EDGE. In theory 236kbps but never seen this speed.
UMTS aka 3G
3G = 384kbps theoretical maximum
HSDPA/HSUPA/HSPA/HSPA+ aka 3.5/3.75G
HSDPA/HSUPA or HSPA as its also known = Max theoretical speed 14.4mbps
HSPA+ = The upgraded version of HSPA, also described by the USA as 4G. Theoretical maximum 42mbps (which uk networks are supposed to be rolling out at the moment)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths
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ahhh i see thanks for clearing it up! well i have an unbranded motorola atrix from england so it must not be a 4G but i do get H+ signal
would there be any reason for 3G being slow then?
3g is umts and as already stated above, that's 384kbps = 48KByte/s which is very slow for todays standards. It's like isdn speed, not even dsl...
crnkoj said:
3g is umts and as already stated above, that's 384kbps = 48KByte/s which is very slow for todays standards. It's like isdn speed, not even dsl...
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ISDN would actually be 2x dialup aka about 112kbps so a bit slower than that. Just fyi.
i live in the dominican republic and i only get H. how do i get H+?... whenever i try to access my 4g settings gives me the error "the application settings com.android.settings"
catillito said:
i live in the dominican republic and i only get H. how do i get H+?... whenever i try to access my 4g settings gives me the error "the application settings com.android.settings"
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Go to System Settings, About, Status and look at Mobile Network Type. HSPA:10 is the fastest the Atrix supports and is not Evolved HSPA (H+). I was thinking the same as you on this until I researched. My only wish is the we had an indication of all the different HSDPA speeds in the status bar without having to look at the mobile network type. Remember, your provider you not support HSPA:10.
Take a look at the following If you want to read up a little bit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1912716
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I see in setting - about device: mobile network HSDPA:9
But in status bar - 4G
Is it correct?
Stock I337UCUAMDL
Yes; hspa is 4g and LTE will show up as 4g LTE.
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That's normally.
AT&T tries to hock off their HSPA+ service as "4G" where it is really 3G service. 3.5G (Or 3.75G) if you want to get technical, since regular HSPA is 7.2mbit where AT&T's HSPA+ is 14.4mbit. When connected to LTE it display "4G LTE" on stock roms.
If you switch to any AOSP ROM, they will tell it like it is. Instead of 3G/4G it display "HSPA+". And when on LTE it displays "4G"
Just a ploy by AT&T marketing because Verizon was advertising they had great 4G (LTE), and AT&T's network was very far behind so they got FCC to classify HSPA+ as "4G" so they could advertise against Verizon, where in reality the service is not as great.
On my iPhone it used to display 4G whenever I was connected to any HSPA or HSPA+ tower. The tower at my house was only HSPA (Not HSPA+) as max speed I got was 5mbit/s on full signal. Yet it tried to play itself off as 4G. No AT&T...no...
Thank you for the clarification WoodburyMan.