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why are they blocking **** on the G1 if its supposed to be opensource
and in opensource anything goes
and i heard they wont let you put skins on the market
oh well i still love my G1 hopefully they dont **** **** up
btw we should start a petition against rc30 because its negating the open source part of the phoen
http://source.android.com/download
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Yup. That includes taking the source code and building a closed or partially closed product.
roguestatuskat said:
why are they blocking **** on the G1 if its supposed to be opensource
and in opensource anything goes
and i heard they wont let you put skins on the market
oh well i still love my G1 hopefully they dont **** **** up
btw we should start a petition against rc30 because its negating the open source part of the phoen
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I don't think you quite understand the concept of open source. Open source doesn't mean "anything goes." Open source means you get access to the source code. Depending on the license, you can take the source code and make a closed source program (BSD, for example), or it must stay open source (GPL). That is it.
RC30 had nothing to do with negating the open source concept. RC30 was in response to a bug in the project that allowed whatever you typed on the keyboard to be echoed to a console.
If you want a rooted, unlocked phone, get an Android Dev Phone 1.
A truly wide open, mass marketed cell phone in this package would be a BAD thing for us. It needs to still have standards to insure the "typical" user can easily use the device and not have to worry about ****ing it up.
Get a Dev phone if you want to modify it.
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A truly wide open, mass marketed cell phone in this package would be a BAD thing for us. It needs to still have standards to insure the "typical" user can easily use the device and not have to worry about ****ing it up.
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I really don't see what is wrong with selling a software unlocked device through T-Mobile. The default ROM that comes loaded does not have root enabled... you actually have to go through the SPL to flash a new image which has ro.secure disabled. Its not like someone can just accidentally go into SPL mode and brick their phone, they actually have to press a key sequence to access it.
Also, look at just about every other device on these forums. They run WINDOWS, the most closed source platform out there and even on those phones we can flash images via SPL. Why not on a phone running linux?
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Also, look at just about every other device on these forums. They run WINDOWS, the most closed source platform out there and even on those phones we can flash images via SPL. Why not on a phone running linux?
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It is really quite a lot easier to seriously damage a Linux system in the command line than it is with Windows. With root access, Linux assumes you know exactly what you are doing. Root also bypasses quite a lot of Linux's security mechanisms. This behavior is not appropriate or ideal for a consumer-oriented device. The G1 is not marketed toward software developers and experienced Linux hackers. If such a device is required, the Dev Phone 1 is the appropriate option.
Also, if WinMo were ever to want to make serious attempts at breaking into the consumer smartphone space (where iPhone and Symbian live), I imagine it too would become seriously locked down.
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It is really quite a lot easier to seriously damage a Linux system in the command line than it is with Windows.With root access, Linux assumes you know exactly what you are doing. Root also bypasses quite a lot of Linux's security mechanisms. This behavior is not appropriate or ideal for a consumer-oriented device. The G1 is not marketed toward software developers and experienced Linux hackers. If such a device is required, the Dev Phone 1 is the appropriate option.
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You know what has the same power that root has to brick your phone? the bootloader. Say you try to flash to the latest ROM and it fails half way through... Your phone is basically bricked. Regardless, HTC still has this enabled on all of their Windows Mobile devices. Not exactly consumer oriented functionality, but it is there so people who know what they are doing have the power to do what they want.
I really think everyone needs to calm down here. We aren't sure what is in store for the future. Maybe we should withhold complaints and other comments until after Google has finished their first release.
But feel free to complain about how t-mobile doesn't tell you about the beta-ness of the device.
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I really think everyone needs to calm down here. We aren't sure what is in store for the future. Maybe we should withhold complaints and other comments until after Google has finished their first release.
But feel free to complain about how t-mobile doesn't tell you about the beta-ness of the device.
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Google already made their stance very clear. Buy a Dev Phone for $399 + $25 market subscription fee + shipping or you can't have root. I'm sure its going to be the same for every other android device coming out.
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Google already made their stance very clear. Buy a Dev Phone for $399 + $25 market subscription fee + shipping or you can't have root.
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It's not Google's decision to make:
Brian Swetland @ G1-Hackers mailing listhttp://www.telesphoreo.org/pipermail/g1-hackers/2008-December/000188.html
The t-mobile g1 devices are "working as intended" as of RC30. It is
possible that other OEMs or carriers may choose to ship their devices with
the platform in a less (or, hey, even more) locked down configuration, but
that is the choice of the OEMs and carriers.
I'm sure its going to be the same for every other android device coming out.
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Which OEM or carrier do you work for/speak for?
This "its working as intended" is technically true but it means the HYPE behind the phone was and is a load of crap.
If T-Mobile wants to become Verizon, so be it. They're entitled. Customers are entitled to tell them to pound sand and stick it where the sun does not shine.
What's unreasonable (and indeed outrageous) is to sell a beta device to the public without making VERY CLEAR what you are doing. OTA "push" updates are even worse as they can (and in this case DID) REMOVE functionality that used to be there.
As for building "totally secure" environments, heh, have at it. But doing so destroys the attraction of "open source" and then you're on the hook to deliver the full experience that the user expects, because he or she can't get it from anyone but you.
Just so long as everyone involved understands that this is the tradeoff and is ok with it (that is, the customer is INFORMED before they hand over their money AND the company understands that they will get the criticism that will come when the experience doesn't meet expectations!) that's fine.
Would I buy a WinMo unit that I could NOT hack on and load my own firmware? Today, hell no, because what's delivered "stock" does not meet my expectations for user experience.
Neither does the G1, and the reason I'm not sitting here with one is because T-Mobile has made an executive decision to lock those devices down to the point that I can't do for myself what they either refuse to do (or are incapable of doing) for me, nor can I find other people who can and do those things and load THEIR stuff on the platform.
If I wanted a Samsung "prepack" phone I'd have bought one. Oh wait - I can even reflash and feature-edit those, along with Motorolas!
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Google already made their stance very clear. Buy a Dev Phone for $399 + $25 market subscription fee + shipping or you can't have root. I'm sure its going to be the same for every other android device coming out.
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I would like to know where you got your information about Google's stance. So far all they have said is that the device is still partly closed source till the get things the way they want it. This would also imply that later down the line they may give the option to open root again.
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This "its working as intended" is technically true but it means the HYPE behind the phone was and is a load of crap.
If T-Mobile wants to become Verizon, so be it. They're entitled. Customers are entitled to tell them to pound sand and stick it where the sun does not shine.
What's unreasonable (and indeed outrageous) is to sell a beta device to the public without making VERY CLEAR what you are doing. OTA "push" updates are even worse as they can (and in this case DID) REMOVE functionality that used to be there.
As for building "totally secure" environments, heh, have at it. But doing so destroys the attraction of "open source" and then you're on the hook to deliver the full experience that the user expects, because he or she can't get it from anyone but you.
Just so long as everyone involved understands that this is the tradeoff and is ok with it (that is, the customer is INFORMED before they hand over their money AND the company understands that they will get the criticism that will come when the experience doesn't meet expectations!) that's fine.
Would I buy a WinMo unit that I could NOT hack on and load my own firmware? Today, hell no, because what's delivered "stock" does not meet my expectations for user experience.
Neither does the G1, and the reason I'm not sitting here with one is because T-Mobile has made an executive decision to lock those devices down to the point that I can't do for myself what they either refuse to do (or are incapable of doing) for me, nor can I find other people who can and do those things and load THEIR stuff on the platform.
If I wanted a Samsung "prepack" phone I'd have bought one. Oh wait - I can even reflash and feature-edit those, along with Motorolas!
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Then don't buy a consumer oriented device like the G1 - don't like how it operates, there are thousands of apps to add new functionality. Want root? Too bad, it's not designed or released for that reason, or, gasp, buy a DEV PHONE.
You think T-Mobile is even remotely taking into considering the .00001% of the user base that is like you? Who wants to buy a phone to HACK it!? Be serious here. What features are you really missing out here? Can't teather the phone (which t-mobile doesn't want you doing anyways) - and can't set auto-rotate?
Yes, caching to the SD card is something that needs fixing, but hardly a major "I need root" problem at this point, the phone is practically still BETA, and again, BUY A DEV PHONE.
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OTA "push" updates are even worse as they can (and in this case DID) REMOVE functionality that used to be there.
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The update was to fix a gaping security hole not to remove functionality. The fact was that before it was fixed all it would have taken would be for a site contain certain malicious code and then a person would have root access to your phone and all your personal information with it. Just think of how far someone who had your google credentials could go.
RC29 was a test of the OTA system. If it hadn't been for the security hole RC30 probably would not have happened. If it wasn't fixed it would have opened Google & T-Mobile to a massive amount of liability.
As for building "totally secure" environments, heh, have at it. But doing so destroys the attraction of "open source" and then you're on the hook to deliver the full experience that the user expects, because he or she can't get it from anyone but you.
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This is another misunderstanding of what open source really is. It means that the source code is open to be viewed and/or modified. It does not mean that the hardware needs to be (think of Tivo).
Aside from that one of the new "cupcake release" that is currently being worked on includes support third party updates of system applications. This ability alone means a lot.
the reason I'm not sitting here with one is because T-Mobile has made an executive decision to lock those devices down to the point that I can't do for myself what they either refuse to do (or are incapable of doing) for me, nor can I find other people who can and do those things and load THEIR stuff on the platform.
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Please do some research before you try to say what T-mobile's intent is. If they're not going to move to block tethering, which would impact them via the bandwidth, then why would they move to otherwise lock the phone from modification in ways that wouldn't?
The G1 is not missing any features advertised before launch. The fact that you want more from it and the fact that people are working towards making that a reality kind of shows the power of open source. I don't think that WM had this level of development and as much progress a month an a half after launch.
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But doing so destroys the attraction of "open source"
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Open source and Linux have different benefits to different groups of people with sometimes divergent agendas. These groups could include oems/manufaturers, carriers, power users, casual users. What is an "attraction" to you may be unimportant or a liability to someone else.
Just so long as everyone involved understands that this is the tradeoff and is ok with it (that is, the customer is INFORMED before they hand over their money AND the company understands that they will get the criticism that will come when the experience doesn't meet expectations!) that's fine.
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Seems to me that at the core of a lot of dissatisfied G1 users is either: 1) their own expectation that the G1 would have X and Y features that were never advertised to be supported "out-of-the-box" or 2) their dissatisfaction at not having root access (which was never advertised). Some folks new to the world of open source seem to think that any product built on os components must be by nature completely open access. This is a completely flawed assumption. I see no need for T-Mo or Google to apologize for a potential G1 owner's own assumptions going into the purchase.
Would I buy a WinMo unit that I could NOT hack on and load my own firmware? Today, hell no, because what's delivered "stock" does not meet my expectations for user experience.
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Another solution would simply be not to voluntarily buy any WinMo products at all. Tech is still a business, and the best way to get businesses to act is to put your money where your mouth is.
@vr24 & benmyers: Agreed completely.
There are a whole host of things that the G1 does not do by intent.
Tethering is just one of them.
I actually use my phone to do work on, and the functionality that would have been LOST going from either a Wizard or a Kaiser to the G1 was insane.
I toyed with one for a half-hour or so in the store and said "thanks, but no thanks" when a half-dozen things I attempted - simple stuff that WM6 (and even WM5!) support native like, oh, connecting to my ORB server at my house and watching CNBC on the phone - failed.
Tethering has been possible on virtually every phone that can run data T-Mobile has produced and can talk to a PC since the Nokia 6610 (a phone I still happen to have, having purchased it FROM T-Mobile in something like 2001!); removing that functionality is absolutely asinine given that it was intentionally removed - Linux by its nature knows how to do both NAT and DHCP, the two essential elements required.
Yes, I'm aware they've removed it from a couple of other recent models' firmware (Samsungs in particular) as well. You want to cite some speech by a T-Mobile executive that PREDATES the firmware changes they made intentionally to the Samsung models? Guess what - executives lie all the time. Wake up and smell the coffee, or have it poured down your back.
Like I said, if they intend to become Verizon they're entitled, and customers are entitled to leave - and will.
"Dream"? Ha.
T-Mobile is IMHO making a critical error given that the "bling crowd" doesn't need a $100/month cellphone bill and into the maw of the worst economic conditions since the 1930s do you think people will cut luxuries like data on their cell phones or their car payment first?
You fanboys are welcome to your "Dream"-cum-nightmare; as for the suggestion that I shouldn't buy a WinMo device because "its not all there as intended" I buy with the full knowledge and intent that I can unlock and flash it, intending to do so at the point of purchase. That's part of the bargain and why I purchased it - if that wasn't possible I'd probably be on a Symbian device instead.
As for "doing research" the fact of the matter is that without system-level access nobody's going to be building a native tethering application. Modifying routing tables (including setting up NAT) requires system privilege; 20+ years experience writing Unix device drivers here kids.
Have a good evening.
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Linux by its nature knows how to do both NAT and DHCP, the two essential elements required.
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Android ≠ Linux
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removing that functionality is absolutely asinine given that it was intentionally removed - Linux by its nature knows how to do both NAT and DHCP, the two essential elements required.
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This comment is so flawed I don't even know where to begin. I'm assuming you mean dhcpd. In any case, the average user only cares whether tethering is possible or not and yes it is very possible. I'm beta testing June Fabric's PdaNET for Android.
T-Mobile is IMHO making a critical error given that the "bling crowd" doesn't need a $100/month cellphone bill and into the maw of the worst economic conditions since the 1930s do you think people will cut luxuries like data on their cell phones or their car payment first?
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Last I checked, htc's numbers for G1s shipped thru end of Q4 2008 is 1 million units. Considering that T-Mo is Dream's only carrier and all Dreams are sold with a dataplan, I think they're doing alright. Certainly feel free to correct me if you have more accurate numbers.
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The drivers are in the kernel. Have you looked?
I have.
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Beggars eh?
Hmmm... me thinks you got that backwards.
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The drivers are in the kernel. Have you looked?
I have.
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Yup...sure have... and as jashsu pointed out
tethering is possible or not and yes it is very possible.
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Beggars eh?
Hmmm... me thinks you got that backwards.
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How so? I'm not the one asking for stuff and then choosing not to believe what I'm told.
Hello there folks. Let me begin by introducing myself and my situation. My name is Damian, I am in the twelfth-grade and I am currently enrolled in my high-school's concurrent enrollment program with one of the local universities in which I have to write a paper concerning the field of software engineering.
I started this post with the intention of finding and asking certified software engineers a few questions concerning their professions.
I came to this particular forum because of the many brilliant folk here, and my assumption that certainly a portion of the active members are certified software engineers.
-Many thanks in advanced for your replies and imput,
-Damian
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Hello there folks. Let me begin by introducing myself and my situation. My name is Damian, I am in the twelfth-grade and I am currently enrolled in my high-school's concurrent enrollment program with one of the local universities in which I have to write a paper concerning the field of software engineering.
I started this post with the intention of finding and asking certified software engineers a few questions concerning their professions.
I came to this particular forum because of the many brilliant folk here, and my assumption that certainly a portion of the active members are certified software engineers.
-Many thanks in advanced for your replies and imput,
-Damian
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I can answer questions in this field as I am a Software Engineer. I would be happy to give a young person such as yourself advice.
I actually didn't go into college right after high school, I wish I had but I incountered allot of hardship around your age. When I was 22 I went back to school and payed my own way through college, slept in my car in the college parking lot and lived off of peanut butter and jelly sandwhichs.
Honestly its your first job in software thats the hardest to get, but if your persistent you'll get it after that if your perform its pretty much smooth sailing. A good example is how everybody lately has had a hard time finding jobs (bad economy), and even I was laid off from a job where the company was doing great and then went south and I went on the market looking around and recruiters were calling non-stop and I had 2 jobs (one short term getting paid insane amounts of money for 200 hours of work, and then a long term contract after that), I took a vacation to vegas, paid of credit card debt and then started my long term contract.
So ask away!
Edit:
Oh I currently work for a large telecom company where I work ont here provisioning software. My main expertise is Java (j2se, j2ee blah blah) I also write reports (crystal, jfree and actuate), I also have alot of side skills like jsp, ajax, jquery. I actually have wirtten code professionally in all the major langs like c, c#, j# asp.net. As a software developer you constantly need to evolve and progress. I aslo done graphics professionally and If I had it my way I write videos games if I could but alas the life of a programmer is allot less glamorous than most people no.
Many thanks, I'm sorry to hear about your tough times, but I'm glad to hear things have settled out.
I want to say its great that your able to help me and thank you for your tux theme and scripts.
I am actually looking into dealing with my computers as a profession after collage.
So I begin (thanks again):
What courses and or certifications do you need.
What is a typical day in your job like?
Do you enjoy your job?
And you can tell me anything else that you believe to be important that I may have missed.
-Thanks again
Damian
damiandarkwater said:
Many thanks, I'm sorry to hear about your tough times, but I'm glad to hear things have settled out.
I want to say its great that your able to help me and thank you for your tux theme and scripts.
I am actually looking into dealing with my computers as a profession after collage.
So I begin (thanks again):
What courses and or certifications do you need.
What is a typical day in your job like?
Do you enjoy your job?
And you can tell me anything else that you believe to be important that I may have missed.
-Thanks again
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My tough times where years ago. I've been in the field for almost 10 years.
The first thing you want todo is get a bachelors degree in computer science. Take as many courses as you can in which you will get exposed to writing software, understanding logic and being able to solve problems using logic. But the most important thing is have a specailty something that you know above all other things, be it a certain language or software... good expample is SAP, I have a friend who is a project manager for a very very large electronics manufacturer. they are paying a contractor to do SAP programming and they pay him 500$ dollars an hour... yes 500$ and hour now its not a permanent job but he's making more in a month than most people make in a couple of years. Thats his specailty and its a hard one to break into.
So once you get your degree you can concentrate on what your specailty will be this is where certs come in. Certs are great but don't pay for them, get a job in the field and get them to pay, this is because most of them expire and you usually have to renew them every couple of years. But the look good on your resume especailly if a company pays as this gives the impression that you are a go getter and that the company beleives in you. Your specailty might relate to your degree major or it might be what your first major job is, this is just luck of the draw.
So a typicaly day, wow its hard to say. Sometimes its go go go and I'm writing code like crazy. Other days its talk talk talk and meetings. Sometimes I spend days writing tech specs or documents to give overviews and estimations on software that needs to be written. Think office space it really is allot like that. One thing alot of people don't know about being a software developer is that you not only need to understand how to write software (ie solve problems) but you also need to undersand the industry in which you write software for. This means you need to understand the business process. So think if you were writing software for a burger company, you need to understand how orders are processed, how iventory is processed and used blah blah. This is where probably the hardest part it almost a second job.
Do I like my job.... as someone who had mowed lawns and dug ditches for a living making money that wouldnt even feed one person, yes I actually love my job. I worked hard to get where I'm at I make pretty good money, my wife doesn't have to work, My kids have more than I had as a little kid and the work I do is satisfying.
If there one thing I could stress when it comes to this line of work. You have to love software, so much so that you willing to work long hours and then come home and write more software as a hobby (maybe i did atleast). Or when you hit college start a pet project and see it through. These are the things that will set you apart from other developer coming out of college. Especailly when you don't have much on your resume, and honestly these are the question potential employers ask (hobbies, personal projects).
How bout this... I give you an hour by hour blog for the next week on what I'm doing at work.
I'm currently working on a rewrite... code fix for code that the company I work for now decided to outsource. This code ended up being terrible and was somethign I was thrown into when I arrived here about 8 months ago. I just started this project about 3 weeks ago and before that I spent about 4weeks evaluating and writing custom testing suites to produce metrics scores for this software compared to the previous version of this software (ie compare say version 5 to version 6). I was the one who found all the bugs and areas of concern and gave estimates on hours of work to fix these things.
So I might be off tomorrow, if I am I will report so. If not then I will start the hour by hour blog if you like.
Such a blog would be amazing (and id read up hourly for updates trust me, this sounds fascinating!)but I wouldn't want to detract from your life anymore then I already have, you work hard and I imagine that you would want to have time to yourself for your hobbies and your family.
Thank you very much. I could ask a million more questions, but again, I don't want to take away to much time. Thanks a billion
No really i want to answer them I wish I had been in you're shoes when I was your age. I didn't have some one telling that I could do it... computer were different back then hell I didn't own my own computer till I was in my twenties.
Ill do the blog for you... one if the perks of being on a computer. Like I said just at work tho. When I get home I can't promise when I be able to post.
So ask question one at a time since I tend to be long winded... it makers it easier... honestly when I retire I plan on teaching at a tech college... but thats about 20 years away. But I love to answer question about these things.
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Great
Well what was learning your first programming language like
Do you think knowing a markup language helps or would help in the learning process?
What do you think the software engineering world will be like in a few years?
Is there any particular aspect of the computer world you like most?
Do you still keep in contact with any of your professors or colleges?
Hey Asimmons, thanks for helping damian out. I'm in the same boat he is, and I'm finding this really useful! Thanks a lot!
Glad I can help I was in you guys shoes once. And know that feeling of uncertainty... ill answer more tomorrow for you guys and start the blog.
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I know I've said it tons, but I mean it, thank you ASimmons. And I'm glad this post can help others
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Great
Well what was learning your first programming language like
Do you think knowing a markup language helps or would help in the learning process?
What do you think the software engineering world will be like in a few years?
Is there any particular aspect of the computer world you like most?
Do you still keep in contact with any of your professors or colleges?
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Mark up languages are very important, but I wouldn't focus a career on them. Languages like html, dhtml or xml are skills you will pickup along the way, understanding how these langs are parsed and used by other languages are very important and is a valuable skill to have. Especially in Java and with the emergence of real time web applications that uses technologies like ajax, jquery and now html5 it is more important to understand the usage and capabilities of these languages rather than focus on just knowing how to write a webpage.
The future of software will be more and more web based and mobile application. as we have seen in the corporate world for the last 5 or so years application that were once only possible on the desktop have moved entirely to web based app. This makes deployments and updates easier to maintain, version control easier, and with technologies like html5, ajax used in conjunctions with SOA and SAAS these apps perform just as well or better than the app you use to see run on your desktop. Take MS Office 365 and their cloud software for this, this is essentially an SAAS (software as a service) you lease the software it doesn't run locally anymore and the software and its worries and maintenance are pushed to the software vendors, we start to see this more and more. Google has been at the for front of this, and expect to see computers in the near future that are just dummy terminals that run only the basics and all your important software is pushed to a corporate cloud. I'm not saying desktop pcs will disappear but downloadable software will begin to especially in the corporate world.
I pretty much like anything that has to do with technology. I love the history of computers since I grew up and pretty much watch the birth of the home pc and remmeber when the 486dx came out and it was considered the best computer you could get. I remember using the trs-80 in typing class and the atari 2600 (still have one) kelico vision and then the nintendo (still have that to).
And yes I do stay in contact with the department head from my old college. I still use her as a reference from time to time since I worked in college for a little as a tutor (best job to get.. I recommend this if you can). College is about learning in large part but secondly its about contacts and networking. Make sure your networking in college, know your peers and previous alumni. Introduce your self and make sure to attend functions, since the will be potential co-workers or bosses.
So its mondays... I going to maybe do every couple of hours every hours might be to much. But I'm about to dive in to a ton of spaghetti code and try and make some since of it. This is especially ORM (look this up) code for an oracle database, and I'm trying to fix what is broken without having to actually rewrite the whole thing (if it was up to me I would). Be back in a couple of hours.
So its just after 2 and I've had to switch task to help another developer. This is pretty common and as a developer you have to be able to multi task.
So I'm working in creating a way for dynamic where clause can be built or just passed to and object DAO class.
The implementation I'm trying to fix is currently building them in a very static and non reusable way. When you design code it has be thought out and designed in such a way so that things like maintenance on said code is taken into account, and that repeatable processes are written in such a way that the can be reusable. This seems to have non of that.
If your looking at a package or program and see common re-occuring methods then this would be considered bad (imo) and should be re-evaluated and or rewritten so that this process can be written in one spot and referenced be other, this way if bugs or changes need to occur in this process you only have to change it there, this is the most common principle in OOP design but you be amazed at how much it is abused.
While you might be saving time up front your creating time on the back end for thing like code maintenance, upgrades or bug fixes.
It's about 5 for me and I just got home from school. I was at a friends house trying to understand a virus her computer contracted. (smart engine, annoying little thing, but its all better now.)
I'm looking into ORM as I type this. Interesting o:
I ask about the markup languages because ill be taking an html5 course next term. Makes sense that id learn about them along the way.
Sounds like you can handle quite a bit all at once, does that develop with time?
Html 5 is not like the previous htmls. So yeah this will be the next big internet language think web apps and pages that are totally dynamic. Good choice.
The multi tasking can be learned... good habits and time management... mostly learning the most basic of issues there's probably 5 or so and how the efficiently solve the problems and with what tools. Tools are very important every thing from ant or scripts to automate task to custom libraries.
Here's one, it's sort of a snarky developer joke.
You can have software.. done fast, done cheap and done right. You can only choose two though.
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Samsung instead of updating my note to JB can u please give us the tizen update. I can see the monopoly of google on smartphones.
U can use the nokia maps if maps are the issue. I want a good working environment on my phone. Not these fragmented files and apps, keyboard hanging, wifi signals droppig randomly, battery issues, clipping and seperate camera apps.
I want u to integrate the basic features like cam, keyboard and home screen within the system. With most of its variables initialized at all times. Not like a seperate apps then starts when i open it requiring time.
Plus make the camera app stripped with just basic shutter click and flash feature with room to integrate the exposure, type of shot, filters and all these seperately installable in the stock app. So we can customize and feature load the same system app. Instead of using instagram and pudding camera.
As with the keyboard make it very simple and run all times with low mem consumption. Most keyboards and even stock keyboard needs 48 mb of ram while running. I think its too much for just a keyboard. Make it simple no loggers no predictions, no skins but make room to incorporate all these things on need.
For browser chrome is no doubt on top but we need fladh support. If google has bad term with adobe i dont think we wants adobe to suffer, they gave us the entertainment for more than a decade and has the potential to do so.
For graphics make the tizen support all platforms. Ask microsoft to let u lisence direct x which they are retiring.
Make new alliance for your new OS. Google already misled us with the word open source. They should have said open customization but i cant change many things on android. Lets say i dont want the home screens i just want the app drawer. We cant make it happen so sorry its no customization.
Also if u want tizen to compete well, load it with compilers and debuggers like the native linux and u will see development on the run for your new platform.
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Love your post :good: everything you said is true, I agree with you.
Actually these android flavors are nothing just a gimmick. Making people buy phones just for an update. Vanilla android update is nothing just a UI tweak in the name of project butter and blah blah blah. Thanks to samsung to give us more features above that android.
Google didnt do anything to make the OS more secure with the updates which is really needed. I have seen a rootkit that lets people scroll through all ur I/O via wifi. More like the wifi tethering in background. We cant even trust all the custom roms, if we are dealing with sensitive mails and other stuff.
Soon people will know that these roms and customization and everything is basically us compromising our data on daily basis.
It will soon get exposed.
So we didnt get what we needed from an OS here.
If we want android UI we will make a launcher or theme to enjoy this experience.
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Actually these android flavors are nothing just a gimmick. Making people buy phones just for an update. Vanilla android update is nothing just a UI tweak in the name of project butter and blah blah blah. Thanks to samsung to give us more features above that android.
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When was the last time you had visited planet Earth?
qazibasit said:
Samsung instead of updating my note to JB can u please give us the tizen update. I can see the monopoly of google on smartphones.
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Buy a Tizen phone when it is launched or wait till it is ported to N7000
Monopoly?? I thought Open-Source was antonym to Monopoly hmmm
U can use the nokia maps if maps are the issue. I want a good working environment on my phone. Not these fragmented files and apps, keyboard hanging, wifi signals droppig randomly, battery issues, clipping and seperate camera apps.
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Maps is not an issue. GPS works just fine I get lock within 5 seconds.
WiFi too works fine. WiFi never drops even when I steal it for free in the university. Only time keyboard hung when I was using stock Samsung firmware.
No battery issues here. Have you heard of better battery stats ?
Black Clipping, its a minor issue for me.
Separate camera app - what do you mean ?
I want u to integrate the basic features like cam, keyboard and home screen within the system. With most of its variables initialized at all times. Not like a seperate apps then starts when i open it requiring time.
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Yeah right. But then you would complain why it is sucking down RAM when I am not using it.
Plus make the camera app stripped with just basic shutter click and flash feature with room to integrate the exposure, type of shot, filters and all these seperately installable in the stock app. So we can customize and feature load the same system app. Instead of using instagram and pudding camera.
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I do not understand what you mean.
As with the keyboard make it very simple and run all times with low mem consumption. Most keyboards and even stock keyboard needs 48 mb of ram while running. I think its too much for just a keyboard. Make it simple no loggers no predictions, no skins but make room to incorporate all these things on need.
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Even feature phones like Motorola Rokr E6 and Nokia 5233 have T9 prediction.
If you do not like it, turn it off.
Don't want keyboard skins, use stock Samsung keyboard.
For browser chrome is no doubt on top but we need fladh support. If google has bad term with adobe i dont think we wants adobe to suffer, they gave us the entertainment for more than a decade and has the potential to do so.
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Adobe Flash has discontinued Android, making way for HTML5
For graphics make the tizen support all platforms. Ask microsoft to let u lisence direct x which they are retiring.
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Make new alliance for your new OS. Google already misled us with the word open source. They should have said open customization but i cant change many things on android. Lets say i dont want the home screens i just want the app drawer. We cant make it happen so sorry its no customization
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Its time you gotta become a developer. All the sources are there waiting for you. :good:
Also if u want tizen to compete well, load it with compilers and debuggers like the native linux and u will see development on the run for your new platform.
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What is the meaning of soon?
How do you define soon?
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Monopolizing, just see how selfish google is and not letting the win phone 8 have the google maps. Their maps are good but nokia maps in case google didnt share their maps with samsung.
Google came in mobile industry claiming it just want people to have better experience with google having no interes. In money making. But it seems like soon google will be head to head with its own oems.
Google had little role in android development and the major role is of the developers who are working for no cost to develop this OS.
Today u people are accusing me after 6 months u guys will be packing ur gear and will head to something other than android.
Yes google forces android users to use its services and now bringing all its services under one banner of google plus. Lets say i only use gmail, why are they forcing me to use g+ and gtalk and show my presence there. Sharing my likes and dislikes there. I know why? To make each and every service of their with millions of users.
I have issues with their search, and most people have.
Their negative marketing, with the updates and depriving capable phones to get the updates on their phones for months. To push their nexus devices on us.
Google think they will destroy the x86 platform with their android and thus capture the specialized computing with their android and its tiny apps to make google computing. Its also not going to happen.
Their competitors are not getting their strategy, but i hope samsung and marissa mayers are up to catch with them.
Samsung or other oems should strip the android with google services and should give us alternatives.
Tired of just google google and google. People are making them another microsoft. I am always an open computing guy, not a fan of tech giant driven computing. Soon they will make out data processed on their servers and just displaying us the results. And we will be having just a display with a wifi and an on board OS. I was my own processing powers.
My regards to madam ada lovelace augusta, who taught us the programming, i think its better to play with my raspberry pi rather than banging my head on android.
Yes adobe is not supporting flash on android because of a conflict with google. But there i. a thing called backeard compatibility.
Dsmas we cant define soon with amount of time in tech industry. It could be a day a month or like the microsoft era a decade .
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Today i thought i was going mad. You made me correct this.
By the way what are running, I bet its an android
This forum is so degraded with all these nonsense posts all the time.
I'm kind of fed up with the people who make them.
XDA is a developer forum.
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Today i thought i was going mad. You made me correct this.
By the way what are running, I bet its an android
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Obviously i never criticize things without using them. Those htc hd2 times are gone, when intentions to make this platform huge were pure .
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qazibasit said:
Obviously i never criticize things without using them. Those htc hd2 times are gone, when intentions to make this platform huge were pure .
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Then stop Complaining. Why did you buy an android phone in the first place. No platform is perfect. They cant provided a customized rom only for you. If you have such problems be my guest and develop something that you have stated yourself.
In Short - Welcome to REALITY!!!
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Darfus said:
This forum is so degraded with all these nonsense posts all the time.
I'm kind of fed up with the people who make them.
XDA is a developer forum.
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Oh! really. This is also users forum, I hope so.
By the way, are you a developer?
Edit : there are 3 sections android development, original development and themes. You may stick to those sections, if you are concerned with only development.
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Then stop Complaining. Why did you buy an android phone in the first place. No platform is perfect. They cant provided a customized rom only for you. If you have such problems be my guest and develop something that you have stated yourself.
In Short - Welcome to REALITY!!!
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Well complains and criticism leads to improvements. Why do u use custom roms just to get better experience, why do u complain then. Why dont u use the out of box software. U root ur phone, void warrenty all just for betterment and thats what we are trying here. A constructive criticism. If u read the original post its about how samsung could make tizen better. Ha i have made various med calculators and med terminology dictionary for med trnscription people. many people at my hospital are using it. But i cant put it on google play because its not open for dev in my region.
I dont call change in ui development. I call something new as development . If simple change in UI is development windows 8 would be the most innovative os .
Another malware compromising security distributed via play store. This is where work is needed to make it more and more secure, of they want to survive.
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/...n-your-pc-uses-your-microphone-to-record-you/
Professional people are fedup and they cant manage this daily tweaking thing. Soon many people will loose interest in flashing cfw.
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qazibasit said:
Well complains and criticism leads to improvements. Why do u use custom roms just to get better experience, why do u complain then. Why dont u use the out of box software. U root ur phone, void warrenty all just for betterment and thats what we are trying here. A constructive criticism. If u read the original post its about how samsung could make tizen better. Ha i have made various med calculators and med terminology dictionary for med trnscription people. many people at my hospital are using it. But i cant put it on google play because its not open for dev in my region.
I dont call change in ui development. I call something new as development . If simple change in UI is development windows 8 would be the most innovative os .
Another malware compromising security distributed via play store. This is where work is needed to make it more and more secure, of they want to survive.
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/...n-your-pc-uses-your-microphone-to-record-you/
Professional people are fedup and they cant manage this daily tweaking thing. Soon many people will loose interest in flashing cfw.
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:silly: What is that you want to do. Sue Google. I feel petty to know the level of Android knowledge you have. Goodluck
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U stay with ur concepts and let me speak my mind. My knowledge is with me snd urs with u. If u knoe so much why not make android the way i want tizen to be and i will accept that ur the real guru
Android sum up : a good platform to advertise and to engage and divert users to their web to grt commercials. No security so that data centers can collect individuals data. Some gimmicks for kids to play and make them believe they are enjoying open source.
I guess ur a teen who dont have real use of phone besides flashing and formatting )
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qazibasit said:
Monopolizing, just see how selfish google is and not letting the win phone 8 have the google maps. Their maps are good but nokia maps in case google didnt share their maps with samsung.
Google came in mobile industry claiming it just want people to have better experience with google having no interes. In money making. But it seems like soon google will be head to head with its own oems.
Google had little role in android development and the major role is of the developers who are working for no cost to develop this OS.
Today u people are accusing me after 6 months u guys will be packing ur gear and will head to something other than android.
Yes google forces android users to use its services and now bringing all its services under one banner of google plus. Lets say i only use gmail, why are they forcing me to use g+ and gtalk and show my presence there. Sharing my likes and dislikes there. I know why? To make each and every service of their with millions of users.
I have issues with their search, and most people have.
Their negative marketing, with the updates and depriving capable phones to get the updates on their phones for months. To push their nexus devices on us.
Google think they will destroy the x86 platform with their android and thus capture the specialized computing with their android and its tiny apps to make google computing. Its also not going to happen.
Their competitors are not getting their strategy, but i hope samsung and marissa mayers are up to catch with them.
Samsung or other oems should strip the android with google services and should give us alternatives.
Tired of just google google and google. People are making them another microsoft. I am always an open computing guy, not a fan of tech giant driven computing. Soon they will make out data processed on their servers and just displaying us the results. And we will be having just a display with a wifi and an on board OS. I was my own processing powers.
My regards to madam ada lovelace augusta, who taught us the programming, i think its better to play with my raspberry pi rather than banging my head on android.
Yes adobe is not supporting flash on android because of a conflict with google. But there i. a thing called backeard compatibility.
Dsmas we cant define soon with amount of time in tech industry. It could be a day a month or like the microsoft era a decade .
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Sorry but you are writing nonesense here. My Note is rooted and I have successfully removed Google+, the native email and Gmail clients, Google search, the whole social media crap... The only thing from Google you actully have to use is the Google account for purchasing apps and synch your contacts and calendar. But not even that is necessary. You can get your apps from other markets like Android pit or Amazon, there are also dedicated open source markets. And you don't need to synch your data with Google. There are various companies that provide their own synch services like Webis, the enterprise that offers Pocketinformant. Or you can simply backup your contacts and calendar using one of the different software solutions out there. So tell me, where is the dependency your are fantasizing about?
Your post is utterly irrational. You accuse Google and it's Android os of beeing monopolized and closed, forcing its users to use services they don't want to use. But you are demanding Tizen os, a software completely written, designed and thus owned by Samsung. If you had Tizen on your phone, Samsung could do whatever they want with it's services, software... you would have a closed ecosystem like iOS and Windows Phone. Nice prospect isn't it?
Do you know what it is that you actually want? Next time please use your brain and do some rational thinking before posting something that by itself does not make any sense at all.
Oh and before I forget about it. You are claiming Google has not developed Android. If it has not been Google, who do you think has written all the code all the different Android versions consist of? The developers at xda? You? Santa and his elves? Rudolf the red nosed reindeer? Do you think you can simply take Linux load it onto a phone and bang you have got Android? I really look forward to getting an answer to that question from you
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Sorry but ...
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...question from you
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You sir, have won todays internets. Great post.
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qazibasit, if you want to complain about Android do it here -->> http://source.android.com/community/index.html
XDA is for developers, not complainers.
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Hi all developers,
We released our EvolutionUI research project as open source. In this project we are experimenting with integrating gamificiation (experience points, achievements, etc) into Android. This should make the phone easier to use and a lot more fun.
Feel free to have a look at the open source project and contribute to make it even better!
https://github.com/sonyxperiadev/EvolutionUI
Get the full story on Developer World.
/Pál Szász
SW developer at Sony
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pal.szasz said:
Hi all developers,
We released our EvolutionUI research project as open source. In this project we are experimenting with integrating gamificiation (experience points, achievements, etc) into Android. This should make the phone easier to use and a lot more fun.
Feel free to have a look at the open source project and contribute to make it even better!
https://github.com/sonyxperiadev/EvolutionUI
Get the full story on Developer World.
/Pál Szász
SW developer at Sony
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Interesting! A very good initiative how can I put the file in my rom?
I actually like the idea a lot. Brings simple 'Fun' to the Android system. For some users it won't be though because there have been times where myself just wanted to dive into my Brand New Android device when I received it. However once I get used to it I get somewhat bored?! Lol, I'm a phone whore so that's definitely why. This might actually help me not want to move on to the 'Next Best Thing' once I get used to my current device.
I like it!:good:
Sound great....
i love the idea!!
Great idea, I actually think this is a great concept. Some users I've noticed find it white hard to get used to Android phones.
With this, they can explore and find out more things about their device yet figure out more about what they can do on it.
So great concept, I'll take a peek at the source
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Marília de Oliveira said:
Interesting! A very good initiative how can I put the file in my rom?
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If you are making/building your own ROM, then I guess you need to include the two projects into our repo and create Android.mk files for them.
If you just want to install it on your already flashed phone, there are precompiled binaries here: https://github.com/sonyxperiadev/EvolutionUI/releases
In each case note that this is not a finished product
This reminds me of app Android achievements
Used a lot then lost after factory reset and got lazy enough to not install it
Press thanks :good: if I've helped :highfive:
great job,, nice sound quality on sony
Good stuff! I'm trying to convince family to ditch iPhones since they're getting worse and worse on build quality under Mr. Cook. Their only real concern is learning a new phone. This would be extremely useful!
This has been already been done in form of an app. Been available for some time too!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pixelmark.phonechievements
Awesome work
Currently you can get achievements by :
1) Add 5 Shortcuts to Home Screen (Told by OP).
2) Open any app 5 times (Told by OP).
3) Add 5 Widgets to Home Screen (Discovered by me).
4) Add 10 Apps to Home Screen (Discovered by me).
pal.szasz said:
If you are making/building your own ROM, then I guess you need to include the two projects into our repo and create Android.mk files for them.
If you just want to install it on your already flashed phone, there are precompiled binaries here: https://github.com/sonyxperiadev/EvolutionUI/releases
In each case note that this is not a finished product
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Thanks !
Thanks for the feedback, both for the positive and the negative!
Btw, you should be able to adjust other applications to work with achievements. The launcher is just an example.
Any application can publish it's own set of features and achievements. I started to write some more detailed explanation, but it's not finished yet: https://github.com/sonyxperiadev/EvolutionUI/wiki
However you can always look at the launcher patches: https://github.com/sonyxperiadev/an...mmit/71460e8441066b3dfc1a796b05f196d7edab8ba8
honestly, this is a bad idea. let me explain why.
the main idea behind this concept is to make it easier to the user to get familiar with the user interface. The user is slowly understanding the "game mechanics" of one "level" (i. e. reduced interface) and once he mastered them, he's ready for the next level. This process repeats until the user has all the skills needed to use the phone fully.
Ideally, the user should have full access to all functionality. The user interface should be polished and user friendly enough that any user doesn't experience any steep hills on the learning curve.
like someone said, Everything Should Be Made as Simple as Possible, But Not Simpler.
The average user has changed since the first smartphone. Back then, the idea of interact with a machine was very new. Arguably nowadays people are being brought up surrounded by technology, making it easier for them to understand how a computational device work.
Hence the achievements system is purely a steep hill that every single user has to do, even an experienced user. More computation machines are owned by the average user: tablet, phone, watches. What I fear is that the user has to go through a little game every time he has a new device. An idea to be successful has to be widely implemented, and I don't see this happening.
One could argue that every device may have a different interface and new "skills" have to be learned in order to fully use the device. True, but where the problem really lies is within inconsistency across multiple devices.
Consistency across multiple devices. This is what the aim of a good designer should be. As mentioned, this interface should be clean and intuitive. It's not easy, Microsoft is trying to do it and even with all the skilled people and resources available they ain't quite there yet.
With what it is available at the moment, a AOSP look with a theme engine (and an advanced menu unlocked it via a semi hidden command, like tapping multiple times the build number to get to Dev options) is a very very good concept.
Sony is almost doing so with the recent devices and I'm really happy about their decision. Continue down this way you guys. This surely was a fun little project to do, hopefully it has taught you something on the way.
p. s.
I love Android and its ability to change interface when I feel like it. But once I found an interface I'm happy about, I'm sticking with it between flashing and phones. The interface is device agnostic. This idea is shared among my friends and personally it is shared across xda as well. Hopefully this could serve as a proff of the above.
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I really like the professionality of the latest Sony interfaces, it doesn't look like it was designed for teens. Thank you!
I hope I have expressed my ideas in a clear way without offending anyone. I have open to further discussion on this topic.
hrockh said:
honestly, this is a bad idea. let me explain why.
the main idea behind this concept is to make it easier to the user to get familiar with the user interface. The user is slowly understanding the "game mechanics" of one "level" (i. e. reduced interface) and once he mastered them, he's ready for the next level. This process repeats until the user has all the skills needed to use the phone fully.
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That's only one of the main ideas. Another important idea is to make it fun, to make a positive feedback to the user. I understand that some users don't need, but some do, some like an extra little bit of challenge, or simply a reward. For example my parents were very happy when they managed to find out how to merge two word documents, and they were eager to tell everybody
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Ideally, the user should have full access to all functionality. The user interface should be polished and user friendly enough that any user doesn't experience any steep hills on the learning curve.
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I don't think this is possible. There is no way to make a user interface, which is easy to use both for beginner users and contains all the features required for advanced users. You mention the hidden developer options as an example. For me that's a good example why it doesn't work: it took me some time to find out what happened with the developer menu. The same with the offline map support in google maps. They removed the feature from the menu (to make it easier to use for the beginner users), and they added it as a hidden feature (type "ok maps" in the search?!). I also used an iPhone for 2 weeks, but didn't liked. And I liked the UI of the old UIQ phones. I also think the new trend of using more hidden gestures is also confusing for some users (especially the new swipe-sideways-to-delete-but-sometimes-to-show-more-options thingy).
Btw, we thought about advanced users, they can switch profile and disable the achievement system. Or switch profile only, but keep the achievement notifications just for fun. In many comments I saw people look at this as something they HAVE TO do. That's not the case. The point is to track what they are doing, and enable more and more. And of course there are not and there will never be microtransactions involved.
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Hence the achievements system is purely a steep hill that every single user has to do, even an experienced user.
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Like I mentioned before, this is not something the user HAS TO do. You can skip it by changing profiles.
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What I fear is that the user has to go through a little game every time he has a new device.
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We actually thought about this as well (but was not mentioned in the article for time/size reason)
We actually think this can help the user to switch to a different phone even if he used a smartphone already. Smartphones have new features compared to the previous one, so there is always something new to learn. The idea is the following:
* if switching from a phone which already supported EvolutionUI, we can copy the state (experiences, features, achievements obtained) and continue from the same point. This is rather easy to do, we already store this information locally (obviously, in case the user reboots the phone), so the only thing we need to do is transfer it to another device (probably via a cloud service). (NOTE: this is still in the concept phase, not implemented yet).
* if switching from a phone which did not support EvolutionUI, we can have a small builtin database, which maps the previous phone to an achievement state. For example if the previous user had an iPhone, we can set the medium profile instead of the beginner profile. It would be possible to even have customized profiles for certain phones (i.e. a small xml file describing all the features which needs to be enabled by start, since it was available in the previous phone)
hrockh said:
Consistency across multiple devices. This is what the aim of a good designer should be. As mentioned, this interface should be clean and intuitive. It's not easy, Microsoft is trying to do it and even with all the skilled people and resources available they ain't quite there yet.
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NOTE: the following is just my personal opinion:
Of course we cannot guarantee complete consistency, since we control the Sony phones only. But to be honest, I don't think consistency is that important: imagine, if all android phones would look and behave like the iPhone. Of course it would be nice for many users, they could switch to android easily. But what should those users who don't like the iPhone UI do? They could not buy any phone. And I also want to mention again, that IMHO there is no such thing as perfect UI. UIs evolved a lot, but it's still a matter a fashion: a couple of years ago everybody liked the real-life-looking apps on the iPhone. Now they like the new modern, simplified look. It's always changing, and just like with fashion, not everybody has the same taste.
hrockh said:
I hope I have expressed my ideas in a clear way without offending anyone. I have open to further discussion on this topic.
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Thank you, and I appreciate it!
Mods: please, this is a temporary post pending moderator elevated privelege to start forking my build via proper Android Development Section, everything I post is valid and true. No mock ups. Please, do not delete this thread. It is purely education and informational pre-release details to explain down to details most but not all details, as a developer i dont just release security structure or anything deemed sensitive.
A PROJECT UNIQUE AND NEVER BEFORE UNIFIED OR ATTEMPTED SUCCESSFULY. De-Androidinzation and bulding, slipstream and super-enhancing, raising Linux core from the dead to Linux-based and minimally VM until the day comes where I can project it out to substitute it with a replacement, only as good or better performance but not cross-coding as mobility has been so confined to since the start.
Introduction: to a very genetic-autonomous and not even a contender of its class to match it
Hello Fellow co-developers. I am anything but new around here, and I've grown frustrated and impatient trying to revive my XDA credentials I've had auto saved for years and yeasrs. Please, if you find interest in what you see following A PROJECT UNIQUE AND NEVER BEFORE UNIFIED OR ATTEMPTED SUCCESSFULY. this notification, message moderators or seek to at very least a head-start as I cannot even start a thread in the appA PROJECT UNIQUE AND NEVER BEFORE UNIFIED OR ATTEMPTED SUCCESSFULY. ropriate section, due to having to create an account. I've come to a sheer intolerable irritating boredom with Android, and the fact that well, Google and relative developers, and/or mainline toolchain dev's are well, diddling and we see an entire circus from Donut to Lollipop, then when they rollover on 6, and only then...and with nothing that is cheap to meet the proper standard for the hardware it takes to not back-grade your hardware and Android base version 1.6 (DOH'NUT). Yes, such non-sense as SDcard support when the damn things are ready to evolve into the next format. Don't get me, wrong, I'm glad it made the changelog, but still a mock-up and in a developers eyes so much more could have or should be incremented to a more attainable adjustment and even features. But, this post is not about Google, Android, and a lousy slipstreamed Apps2SD knockoff repurposed as adoped storage. I've always tested roms, tweaked, modified and until I found performance, stability, and can go 2 weeks without losing 40 hours of dedication getting it where she needs to be, I started porting per-say, drawing back the resource-loving java base they use in every phone regardless the base, or OS....but I have yet to see anyone shoot for the Linux-Cabal. A tip-the-scale fork of Android where rolling release and as come the updates increment, so shall the independance of too in the Android cocktail for my liking.
Let's just put it out there, I've been stabilizing and unifying a custom build (at this point for Moto ARM), and yes I know waht I am saying but to title it a ROM A PROJECT UNIQUE AND NEVER BEFORE UNIFIED OR ATTEMPTED SUCCESSFULY. would be mislabelling and a blow to what I think the OS deserves. More Linux backbone, compiled and debugged to hell and back step by step. I don't have any plan...YET to play god and cut out any serious concept such as framework, VM, but I have a goal, and a very vast plan drafted for the next quarter. I know any Linux Penguin-Dorks, and developers who know their cards and where I'd bet my bytes in any arena vs most other Os's.
History and Pre-requisuite (in order to enter and initialize a new fork officially, and establish a support system consisting of credible, daily-active and feedback producing beta-testers as well as the system and policies they will adhere to throughout initial first phase. This is not another AOSP or clone of source and hidden bugs you have to come to discover the hard way. I am offering only until another phase anyway, to primarily and MotoG3 ONLY, device dependent. push, shove and patch my tamper-resistant modules will enforce any interopibility. Remeber these are encrypted with MULTI-LAYER mutli-bit and a subset of different combination encryption algorithms and not APK, were weaning that dependence slowly but eventually here. Modules, system core hard up and real time individiual file encryption layering system. Safe from FBI and NSA and Israeli counter-parts. Included but not enforced are optional ability of IPC (Tor-lke) supreme sms, voice chat, and push to talk functionality, and among per file on top entre data drive encrypto....comms will be dual-end encrypted, obviously all of which can be enabled/disabled, configured and tweaked to ones preference.
Until I have proper authority and have enough resonsibility good-boy credits, there will be nothing. And I mean no beta program, no releases, no source code except I will move along to the next accepting Android community, which is my last thought and not at all in my interests. I am a developer 16 years, on a broad number of languages, on many arch's, from pascal, html, basic to visual basic, c, c++ C#, java, to ASM (yes Im old school, an I only dispense above and beyond what I would set as a mile stone.). All my projects in the past, creating the very first OpenGL wrapper, and utilizing a direct-injection loader that was always available in HL.exe. Primarily for Counter-Strike, as Valve global banned any cdkeys and steam accounts associated with at first any Alias nearing the format of my preferred handle. As they rolled out VAC for the first time, I watched every (neraly) system hook based all in one hacks go down as KIA-dead soldiers, while my opengl-wrapper emulated the driver, allowing my to get raw data to maipulate, block, pass-trough to the real-deal OGL.dll. My OpenGL in suspended development and without requirement to play tag with steam and losing 100 purchases of Counter-strike making a VAC-undetected, play for a day or 2 then POOF. Another good key gone up on Joolz, like his sorely lost system hook as it was spitting calls to the Windows API, the HL api, and just many easily noticed flags that his only circumventing was heading on VAC module manipulation, playing with memory in process, unloading and this damn module was live, as in every server change a slipstreamed update could be pushed and suddenly the VAC process, and all the memory offsets surgically and delicately rendered harmless. Too much working hard than the efficient smart ways I came up on. Why try and reinvent the wheel when you know the wheel is superior to date. Kid wasted his entire adolescents, and his family savings trying to serve up something that guarenteed, yes you will be the best hacker online, yes you will be detected by the end of the weekend, and the advantages well, there were none except a trial what hacking a system hook was like. As for my opengl, well at first for Valve, they did their thing wiping out the hundreds of hacks but only 1 or 2 who had stood any sort of equality to the efficacy, stability, virtual impossibilty to detect as I took a native function very seldom known and not documented, and even those who did, none had the brains to probe and go from a function with no instruction or info to the process and how to invoke and follow it through. I didn't reinvent the wheLet's just put it out there, el, but I gave it redbull-wings, titanium belts, nitrogen, and embedded withtin the system from which VAC also called home and well, all its code and dependent libraries, modules and api calls gatehered and had conferences and played golf. VAC could not for years, learn how to attack itself, and this was a fluke at first. Next I started to get out the matches, fire playin time....and i love to push buttons see where or how far i can get.
LONG story short, my very first C++ project, very atypically, was a win32 video card gfx driver, and wrapper and then put Joolz down deep, I was able to hybridize a opengl driver to bear code of no relation at all, not even close whatsoever, and without trying to break and enter a bank and crack a safe while risking setting off an alarm just to steal a 20$ bill. Get what I mean, this was at the age 0f 13. Lost my E-DEV virginity and any dev working in a windows environent, on win 98 knows that for a first project, you don't just self-teach yourself to code then start squatting and pushing out dynamic link libraries like they are ever coded to spec in MS eyes, and its just not a novice coder challenge. The following project, most of your in FTA satellite likely have heard of the latest of a technology innovated on my part and consult with few others on my FTAbins team. Also the author of the handbook aka the bible to the absolute and very well drafted, and at its time prior to increases vastly in bandwidth, it was predecessor and stepping stone for entry to IPTV. Yes Nagra2 was never cracked, it was actually a breach of trade secrets and confidential patented technology on the behalf of a disgruntled and underpaid dev who was a team lead on the the maiden of its release. For the unaware. Nagra2 is the security protecol and encryption system designed to scramble satellite television signals, as far as from my involvement only Dish Network as far as satellite, but also used and more so in europe, australia, uk and asia, on cable boxes (digital) usually those whom took input to your subscription via smart card.
But they double-time develloped and debted themselves over a exploited draft (N2) that really didnt secure a damn thing, only was a deterrant but always 24 hours behind every key roll. NKS is the patented tech, as nagra3 was exponetially much more secure and utilized 5 times the bit depth for each key, and rolled on predefined and update at randomly subscriber only pushed updates. Virtually impossible to crack, but with the aid of more advanced on completely different architechture and embedded firmware nontheless, i wasn't that intelligent i suddenly could learn 5 more instruction sets from x86. But with very little effort, and suceeding with no difficult to overcome blowbacks. Developing not an exploit, but a shadow, if you cant beat em. Join em. and that we did, nothing troubled DN ecm dev's more than trying to circumvent a system that utilized subscriber keys, and encrypted, offshored and live-streamed direct in millseconds behind a authentic event trigger, key roll or key changes and ecm's. ecm's become counter-effective when those you target are identical to your nonIKS subscribers
Thats just some history shared on 2, early on, but also serous and major accomplishments to certify and add credibility to what I claim to do and if doing this at 13 and 15 respectively, both drawing hundreds of thouseands to hundreds of millions from each of 2 entirely different classification corporations. But a thorn in both eyes while dancing circles around them, not even hitting puberty are 2 that only opened channels to knowledge, and expanding my IQ in area's and subjects I would never have thought prior,
I am not ready and urgently tryinHistory and Pre-requisuite g to put something out not prepared to dump unassessed to public, but in context I only initially had prospects of private membership availability and even that I have not authorized either. I am running an XT1540, but kicked alot of Moto framework, slipstreamed Sony framework minus the headache inducing svox, and bits and pieces of certain framework manipulation, but only in areas of absolute necessity.
Minus the not-well supported termux app and api, my build is just as extensive, with a integrated system bin directory containing apt, dpkg, a indirect but priveleged api bridge to all things android and its framework. Wifi-N enabled, 2.4ghz and 5ghz on one that only natively ever offered 2.4 G. Also, some off the books properties, I've been able to extend and further dominate the radio and modem accessibility, more specifically on UMTS/AWS bandf here in Canada on WIND. Now alot is new but I've yet to encounter very many warnings let alone any real conflicts or stability or performance setbacks. CPU is unlocked, can be volted and clocked as well as GPU, and although schedulers are there, much needs my expertise and some fine tuning before I'd even open my mind to considering it in control of fatality-potential software on another persons device.
Now, with apt and a 3 more repos than termux can match. Many would give their left nut just to have even 1/4 of the full capability (and i mean capability of all thats fully stable and operational to perfection as of right now). I had to nearly wrestle my device from a buddy of mines hands, and very promptly vacate his residence as he was dying to just get a particular build of metasploit not freely available to public, and on that part metasploit is integrated discreetly but as building block and one of many that basis the security infrastructure I am still actively forking. Stringray-safe, no prying eyes or cloning cell towers to snoop through anything private.
Currently my personal attention has me fired up towards recompiling Pale Moon custom build, and likely a entirely new browser with FF initial base but this fork of Palemoon is gecko oriented and Android API elevated privelege, it has features that even addons of chrome have yet to scratch. Capable out of the box as a IPC/Tor private browser or entire device firewalled, Tor/IPC and crypto down to the teeth. I have my own fork of recent builds of Adobe flash module, and stagefright is a secured as well. All exploitable lose ends are presently beyond par, as Android hasnt even come to that extent yet.
Anyways, I wrote this just thinking of some of my favourite features. I'll tally a list and re-post this alll in a better edited and spell-checked draft. Yes, i will post screenshots, but ONLY on request. If i have to screenshot otherwise we would all be loading alot of png files needlessly.
Xposed & MOD EDIT: warez reference removed & 3C Pro potential unified hybrid of sorts in consideration too. Pending confirmation. Also, I've been fortunate to be in possession of a Perfect-ADB i nicknamed it as it is a custom build with everything it should have plus some, and finally for right now....TWRP just makes me angry how we have 2 dozen random versions available but each has its own catch, the newer the worse it is it seems. this is unacceptable. too many builds, too many cooks in the kitchen, and off the primary source obviously. like a cocktail of suicide soda. just add 10 flavours, flash it, if it boots slap latest and DISTRIBUTE! unacceptable, this is a development resource credible well established website and name, sigh, but one thing at a time.
i will be remaining on my lonesome adding, pulling and testing my flavours and shiny sparkles with neon colors until the day i can start my devdb. and the day i do that i will immediately open up to members. with consideration of development and vetted testers prior to extensive durability and relibility testing..
Til then, mkocmut1986 @ gmail.com should you require contact.
or PM me. I got my hands full, and im but one dev as you can tell and constantly 100 new innovations to add.
Can you tell this story in short in noob language Not everyone is a developer here.
Sorry @mkocmut That was so long I skipped it... How about a tl;dr version?
@mkocmut: Well I read all the parts, all the history but one question: what was the purpose of writing all this?? BTW, great writing, enjoyed it. And yeah, I would appreciate a few screenshots if you can bother uploading some png files here, thanks.[emoji1] .
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You're a passionate fella, I'll give you that much. Heheh, strangely enough, your post kinda made my day. (-:
A wouldn't mind u posting a link to ur beta port??
mkocmut said:
Introduction: to a very genetic-autonomous and not even a contender of its class to match it
Hello Fellow co-developers. I am anything but new around here, and I've grown frustrated and impatient trying to revive my XDA credentials I've had auto saved for years and yeasrs.
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Would be interesting if you at least tell us what's your old username.
mkocmut said:
Modules, system core hard up and real time individiual file encryption layering system. Safe from FBI and NSA and Israeli counter-parts.
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You totally forgot about the KGB...
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Wow! The room is spinning after reading all of that! It's left me with a feeling of huh? But either way I am almost certain that you are very passionate in all the above and I'm cool with that. So preach on brotha!
Good luck man. @mods : if someone quotes the whole OP, burn him!
sounds cool to unlock the cpu + gpu hope all your plans will be made possible
HelpMeruth said:
sounds cool to unlock the cpu + gpu hope all your plans will be made possible
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How u getting on dev?
Any updates?
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Newyork! said:
Would be interesting if you at least tell us what's your old username.
You totally forgot about the KGB...
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Late reply, but the KGB has been gone since the last millennium
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mkocmut said:
Modules, system core hard up and real time individiual file encryption layering system. Safe from FBI and NSA and Israeli counter-parts.
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Worried about Israeli intelligence? If you're not involved in terrorism, you'll be fine, and if you are, then I'd want the Mossad to have your info.
Sounds more like drunken late night ramble than anything else. Especially since there hasn't been a peep out of him since.
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riggerman0421 said:
Sounds more like drunken late night ramble than anything else. Especially since there hasn't been a peep out of him since.
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We can still hope that this will ever be released right?
Sure, why not? Keep the dream alive.
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Hey, Whats up? :laugh: