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Difference? AOSP and ROMS

What is the difference between ROMS and AOSP... Very confusing right now...

AOSP = Android Open Source Project. Basically, the Android OS.

AOSP are custom ROM's (which means they dont have Sense UI, it's the Android OS barebones.
Other ROM's aka Fresh, Gumbo, Eclair with Sense are just that custom ROM's that include Sense UI.

david_ag said:
AOSP are custom ROM's (which means they dont have Sense UI, it's the Android OS barebones.
Other ROM's aka Fresh, Gumbo, Eclair with Sense are just that custom ROM's that include Sense UI.
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so...
AOSP = Android OS withOUT sense UI.
ROM = Android OS with sense UI.
Wow, I don't think you could of made it easier than that. Thank you!
What is Cyanogen Framework? And what does OPENGL do for the phones?

amot said:
so...
AOSP = Android OS withOUT sense UI.
ROM = Android OS with sense UI.
Wow, I don't think you could of made it easier than that. Thank you!
What is Cyanogen Framework? And what does OPENGL do for the phones?
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Not necessarily. AOSP means you get the basic Android platform.

Darkshneider said:
Not necessarily. AOSP means you get the basic Android platform.
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Why would someone want to be on just the standard AOSP when you can have a cool ROM with everything on it?

Because you build YOUR version of Android around it. And its also faster.

I believe the point is to take the base Android OS and make it what you want. If you want sense, you can add sense. If you like stock, keep it stock.

AOSP = Android Open Source Project. This means that the entire ROM is based off of Open Source code. OEM add-ins, such as Sense, TouchWiz, or whatever custom GUI a OEM uses is excluded from the ROM because it is not Open Source. A benefit of AOSP is that is the most customizable, generally the fastest, and most stable since there is less stuff that can't get messed up.
OpenGL is a way for the ROM to communicate with the GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) inside of our phones. Without OpenGL, the GPU is NOT utilized, meaning all the graphics processing is done through the CPU. Imagine the code itself being processed at the same time the graphics are being processed, ALL through the CPU. It bogs down the CPU, so the performance is poor. With the GPU being utilized by OpenGL, 3D graphics will have smoother performance and an increase in battery life will occur.

AOSP Theme vs AOSP Rom

What's the difference?? Does the AOSP rom change the filesystem or something? Now that nit has released an AOSP theme for DJ05 would there be a benefit of running the ROM itself?

aosp rom is the original google code for the reference platforms.
Aosp theme is just the appearance of the notification bar, the menus, the selection appearance to that of the aosp rom

Hi there! The rom itself is a total conversion of your phone to ASOP, whereas the theme just provides the graphical appearance of ASOP. With the rom, you get the changes to the system as well. The theme does not change anything regarding the system. BTW, Try DJo5 Modem with Blackhole 3.0 and either Adryn's 12/30 kernel non-voodoo or the old UV Geeknik Kernal non-voodoo, I find that both work really well for battery life and provide a good android experience while we wait for the awesome dev's here to get Gingerbread working on Fascinate.
Cheers!

RacerXFD said:
aosp rom is the original google code for the reference platforms.
Aosp theme is just the appearance of the notification bar, the menus, the selection appearance to that of the aosp rom
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so the rom would change the entire platform of the phone?
I guess the real question I should be asking is AOSP Rom VS. the current system our phone has.. because im familiar with roms and themes in general but I guess i dont understand why everyone is raving over an AOSP rom being created.

Its pure Android. Even the most stripped down versions of the Fascinate roms have at least some Touchwiz in it. AOSP is Android bloat-free. Its where most customized roms like Cyannogenmod and MIUI are based on. So, if we get AOSP, that will make it a bit easier to port Cyangenmod and MIUI and such to the Fascinate, something that is an impossibility with Samsung bloated roms. Also, since it's so pure, it might prove faster the current roms since nothing is bloating it down.
Rockin' DJ05, Minimal Icognito, Clocked at 1.3Ghz

TheSonicEmerald said:
Its pure Android. Even the most stripped down versions of the Fascinate roms have at least some Touchwiz in it. AOSP is Android bloat-free. Its where most customized roms like Cyannogenmod and MIUI are based on. So, if we get AOSP, that will make it a bit easier to port Cyangenmod and MIUI and such to the Fascinate, something that is an impossibility with Samsung bloated roms. Also, since it's so pure, it might prove faster the current roms since nothing is bloating it down.
Rockin' DJ05, Minimal Icognito, Clocked at 1.3Ghz
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Well put my friend...
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TheSonicEmerald said:
Its pure Android. Even the most stripped down versions of the Fascinate roms have at least some Touchwiz in it. AOSP is Android bloat-free. Its where most customized roms like Cyannogenmod and MIUI are based on. So, if we get AOSP, that will make it a bit easier to port Cyangenmod and MIUI and such to the Fascinate, something that is an impossibility with Samsung bloated roms. Also, since it's so pure, it might prove faster the current roms since nothing is bloating it down.
Rockin' DJ05, Minimal Icognito, Clocked at 1.3Ghz
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Yes, thank you! Cleared everything up for me

OS/Kernel Speed Improvements

What is the reason behind such great improvements in the hero's performance when using CM6 or ASOP mods? Is it mainly because of the kernel? the froyo OS?
Any answers to enlighten a newbie is greatly appreciated. thanks.

Yes and yes. Also the lack of sense frees up a bunch of ram.
sent from my hero, which no longer sucks ass

im assuming the kernel is more important for performance and speed than the froyo os?

kfreshx said:
im assuming the kernel is more important for performance and speed than the froyo os?
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Well...arguably. I would say the bigger performance enhancer is actually just not having Sense, followed by a close second of the kernel. The ROM and kernel really work together to get the performance boost. So, not having Sense, running a custom ROM, and loading a custom kernel is where the speed comes from. All are optimized, tweaked and made for the Hero.

Going to sound noobish...Different Roms?

Ok ive been doing all this rooting and customization for about 3 months now and i have what i think is a big noob Question!
Q. What is the purpuse of other roms, other then stock or cyanogen?
-Do they offer different things that i dont know about, i mean i know some allow you to get netflix and better batterylife but isnt the batterylife thing really lie in the kernel?
But other then that why get a different Rom if im going to customize it the same way i have now?
And im totally sorry if this sounds dumb...still trying to really get into all this modding thing.

mightymike889 said:
Ok ive been doing all this rooting and customization for about 3 months now and i have what i think is a big noob Question!
Q. What is the purpuse of other roms, other then stock or cyanogen?
-Do they offer different things that i dont know about, i mean i know some allow you to get netflix and better batterylife but isnt the batterylife thing really lie in the kernel?
But other then that why get a different Rom if im going to customize it the same way i have now?
And im totally sorry if this sounds dumb...still trying to really get into all this modding thing.
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Well you bring an interesting spin on a simple thought. With all the options out there you can make a Sense ROM look AOSP or make a AOSP ROM look like sense... 8
Some of the ROMs are just personal preference. I use Cyanogen(mod) because that is what i've used for my entire "android life", it's what i know, it's what i like. I know what going to be included, i know where to find stuff... . I know eViL Dee has some follower in the same case, as well as TeamRoyal. It's a comfort level i guess. I mean with so many Sense Based ROMs, so many AOSP ROMs and some other, it's all about minor tweaks. Like Cyanogen(mod) and Faux123 both offer amazing AOSP ROMs. But Faux is a little more "pure" when it comes from an AOSP end point.

neidlinger said:
Well you bring an interesting spin on a simple thought. With all the options out there you can make a Sense ROM look AOSP or make a AOSP ROM look like sense... 8
Some of the ROMs are just personal preference. I use Cyanogen(mod) because that is what i've used for my entire "android life", it's what i know, it's what i like. I know what going to be included, i know where to find stuff... . I know eViL Dee has some follower in the same case, as well as TeamRoyal. It's a comfort level i guess. I mean with so many Sense Based ROMs, so many AOSP ROMs and some other, it's all about minor tweaks. Like Cyanogen(mod) and Faux123 both offer amazing AOSP ROMs. But Faux is a little more "pure" when it comes from an AOSP end point.
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#1 what is AOSP lol
#2 so really the other roms are the same thing with sort of a different look but in reality you can basically achieve that look by modding it ..
#3 so there really isnt a difference in roms is basically wat your saying..

Don't forget miui, used to hate the ios_esk ui, but there is alot of customizability without having to go through adw or lp. Super smooth super fast. You can change everything from boot ani to fonts/custom lock screen in their there manager.
Use to be a big aosp user, but got a little plain and boring. If I was still on my mt3g I would be using aosp, but with our hardware we can afford a little more eye candy and convenience without performance sacrifice.
I usually rock between evil's vf3 and royal miui. Both get about 2 days of battery life with absolutely no lag
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mightymike889 said:
#1 what is AOSP lol
#2 so really the other roms are the same thing with sort of a different look but in reality you can basically achieve that look by modding it ..
#3 so there really isnt a difference in roms is basically wat your saying..
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AOSP: android open source project. More of pure vanilla android without all the extra framework and great for performance. I've gotten up to 3500 in quadrant score on aosp and 3 days of battery life.
Sense roms: built off htc sense framework. Tons of pretty interactive widgets but sacrifice battery and performance. Your stock mt4g came with sense stuff like facebook and weather clock animated widgets. And yes you can get sense looking widgets in an aosp, but htc offers much more than you can find on the market.
Miui: kind of like ios meets android. Not everybody likes it,
You can technically make any rom type look like any other rom type. But in the core and functionality, they are world apart
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The thing is you can replicate the UIs of other phones but you never never perfectly mimic the functionality gained from a specific UI, you cant get certain MIUI features in CM, or get all the integration of Sense into others rom. You can also make you phone look like a Droid, Sony, LG, Sammy, etc... I like MIUI now since it seems to be much quicker than other roms, I've used android since like late 09, and I must say MIUI is so different even though it's android at the core.

Joker Fuel said:
AOSP: android open source project. More of pure vanilla android without all the extra framework and great for performance. I've gotten up to 3500 in quadrant score on aosp and 3 days of battery life.
Sense roms: built off htc sense framework. Tons of pretty interactive widgets but sacrifice battery and performance. Your stock mt4g came with sense stuff like facebook and weather clock animated widgets. And yes you can get sense looking widgets in an aosp, but htc offers much more than you can find on the market.
Miui: kind of like ios meets android. Not everybody likes it,
You can technically make any rom type look like any other rom type. But in the core and functionality, they are world apart
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Hmm ok ...so wat about cm...isnt that Rly aosp Or no
Mytouch 4G, cyg 7.02

mightymike889 said:
Hmm ok ...so wat about cm...isnt that Rly aosp Or no
Mytouch 4G, cyg 7.02
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CM straight from their site
"CyanogenMod is based on the Android Open Source Project with extra contributions from many people within the Android community."
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Someone correct me if i'm wrong on any of this
Cm was developed to work on most android phones. Most of the AOSP roms that you see in the glacier development section are based off of CM but customized to work better for our phone.
Now looking at other roms for instance take Royal Ginger.
"Is built and compiled from CM7 source code with lots of the CM7 extras and other assorted bloatery removed + a custom kernel & numerous tweaks and optimizations added in. It's sleak, it's mean, and it's fast"
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So it came from CM, lets look at the 2.0 channel log to see exactly what the Developer did to it and then after trying CM if the changes look better it may be worth trying
- entire ROM completely rebuilt and compiled from scratch using latest 2.3.4 CM7 source code. i don't just take in all of the updates/code/commits willy nilly. i check them all out and cherry pick the ones i want .. test some out, decide whether or not to keep them in, etc. (more on that later)
- bundled with my first kernel build: ckisgen-smartass-CM7-v1.0 . this is compiled using a base of zinx's latest CM7 stock source but i've added in the smartass governor (with a little inspiration from dumbfuqs source code, thanks df!) and then tweaked a couple of addt'l settings. i've bumped the default max clock to 1.1ghz. this kernel will overclock to 1.8ghz. i've got LOTS of plans for this in the future. i'm going to be working hard on it. i went with something like this for maximum compatibility with this latest 2.3.4 and all the changes that it's brought about. I def gotta give a big THANKS to FauxMoney for the colorful late night conversations and inspiration to make my own kernel...thanks man.
- FULLY working google Talk with video and audio working BOTH ways (ok maybe not 100% .. switching to rear camera FC's but we're working on that..still really solid)
- moved basically all of the remaining 'extra' CM apps and a couple of others to user storage so that they can be easily removed using the traditional uninstall method via the manage applications menu (settings/applications). i call this one the "E-Z AOSP-ify" update. these apps are:
* terminal
* xda
* DSP manager (this is the new one with the EQ presets .. very nice)
* FM
* ROM Manager
* Spare Parts
* stk
* Swype
* Torch
* YouTube
- TONS and TONS of other stuff .. optimizations everywhere .. GPS, radio, data, ETC!!!!!
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After using CM for a while this may look good so read all the comments to see if anyone was having issues and whether they liked it, was it a battery hog to slow to fast etc. Any new rom will have some minor bugs but if all the new pro's outweigh the couple cons try it.
I also saw that it was on version 2.1, so I read that channel log (I won't post here) to see what fixes or changes were made. Maybe a new theme, kernal, some new app's.
It becomes fun, get involved, learn as you go try new stuff and see what works for you. Always ask if you have a question, everyone around here is really helpful.
I just used Royal Ginger as an example to show you the difference between CM and another AOSP rom that is based of CM
Edit: Also look at the pictures that they add, most everything can be changed but a rom's pics may just look really cool that you just have to try it.

Bottom line, try it all and settle with the one you like. It'll keep you busy and entertained for months
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Out of these three ROM's, which is best?

In terms of stability, built-in features, battery life, performance and anything else important that I might have forgotten, which of the below three ROMs is top dog? Just so you know, I plan on flashing the non-overclocked GPU version of _motley's Linaro kernel regardless of which ROM I choose.
Paranoid Android
Glazed
JR6

krion64 said:
In terms of stability, built-in features, battery life, performance and anything else important that I might have forgotten, which of the below three ROMs is top dog? Just so you know, I plan on flashing the non-overclocked GPU version of _motley's Linaro kernel regardless of which ROM I choose.
Paranoid Android
Glazed
JR6
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I'm running paranoid myself but the best advice I've read when people ask this question is try them all. What's best means to me might not be what it means to you. I've tried all three myself and they were all stable, I like paranoid because of the per app density feature it has. It was just updated again today btw. Motleys kernel is awesome I like the one without gpuoc. Good luck, happy flashing

Thanks for the advice. Also, I have another question for anybody who can answer. These three ROMs seem to be mostly similar in terms of features, so it's actually kind of hard telling the differences. So, what I'm trying to ask is, what sets each ROM apart?

krion64 said:
Paranoid Android
Glazed
JR6
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Does anyone know the answer to this? I used JR5, EOS now PA. They are all very similar, as you would expect. PA has more config options for setting up tablet UI which is key for me and the reason I use it currently (with Nova Launcher).
I liked JRX Roms as they have lots of apps inbuilt that the others dont, ie working Flash, GAPPS etc.
I'm also using Trinity kernel which is working great, again, I have not noticed much difference between them all.
Try them and take your pick

I say EOS with Mortley kernel