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Difference between Sense and Donut?

Sorry for my noobness but what actual difference is there between the two UI? is it just the way it looks? if so I could just theme it right?
I'm just looking for something that is stable for everyday use I was mainly looking at Super D because it has some pretty good feedback on the stability, but if sense is that much better i might as well get cursor or something

Donut is version 1.6 of the stock android build. Sense is HTC's modified user interface which runs on top of stock android builds. i.e. you can have sense ui running on a donut build (or cupcake, eclair, etc.) Sense is basically jut a replacement for the stock Android UI, whereas Donut is version 1.6 of the stock Android UI.
Basically it just comes down to what UI you prefer to use. If you want a really solid, stable UI that doesn't use Sense then I would recommend Cyanogen Mod. Cursorsense is great if you're after a solid, stable Sense UI rom - the only issue is that you will have to flash your radio and SPL in order to run it and if you're new to the game I wouldnt reccommend playing with that just yet Look for a Sense UI that says it can run on the 'Old Radio' and give that a try to see if you prefer it to the Stock android UI.

Just wanted to add...
that nearly all Sense UI roms are running on Android 1.5.
So, it's either donut Android UI or cupcake Sense UI.
With the exception of some Tattoo roms (Sense on Donut).

I like sense ui, it's a lot smoother in my opinion. Unfortunately I don't like 7 screens, cupcake, and it's harder for me to theme the rosie. I like personally like Donut more. But if you're just looking for everyday use, I agree with theo ther guy. I'd use CyanogenMod for Donut (SuperD isn't bad either), and Cursorsense for SenseUI. SenseUI moves from screen to screen so much more smooth and if you like The Rosie thing, then I think you'll love senseui(I hate it lol)

Custom ROMs - - Sense or AOSP? What's your poison?

Firstly let me just as I give a MASSIVE congratulations to the guys in #g2root for all their hard work in achieving permanent root. I'm not going to lie, I thought Christmas time was an achievable target when it came to breaking the eMMC lockdown on the G2 and DHD but to do it in early November? (applause)
Anyway, my Black Ops addiction forces me to keep this short and sweet, as time is of the essence and I must earn some COD Points before work!
My question is, when we start seeing custom ROMs, will you be sticking with Sense or moving to an AOSP ROM? I'm interested in your reasons and also wondering whether there are any users who were fans of AOSP (Stock Android) and have been converted by the new and improved HTC Sense 'experience'?
Things to consider are speed, functionality, looks etc.
I'll weigh in with my opinion later on.
Please don't start flaming each other and turn this into some kind of epic fight between the OS and it's illegitimate shell UI of a child!
They both have pro's and con's.
Regards.

I much prefer stock android. Sense is nice, but i just don't really like the look of the dock (even though you can change it). Stock android with the transparent dock at the bottom, and all fancy animations for opening/closing apps, keyboard sliding up etc just looks awesome!
Also gingerbread im sure will probably have more eye candy, but again HTC might cut these from their roms. So i'll be sticking with stock. Cyanogen maybe..

No I couldnt get to grips with sense it looks really flash, but maybe it's because i came from the Magic that the system overhead of running all the ui effects worries me, so I have disabled it all and am waiting on Cyanogen

What counts more?
To me its not the UI that counts but the android version, in other words if i had a choice of CM 6.1 or my current sense rom id go for sense. Don't get me wrong CM is amazing but both being 2.2 id rather take the extra functionality, looks and ease of use of the new Sense roms than an AOSP build. However if i had the choice of CM 7.0 (ie gingerbread) or sticking with sense 2.2 i would move over to AOSP without a second thought!

After coming from the Hero and the amazing FroydVillain 1.5. I cannot wait for Hacre to start cooking ROMs for the DHD. So my choice is firmly in the AOSP camp.

Unless a custom rom offers something i dont have ill stick with sense. I like it graphically and much prefer htcs widgets.
Only phone ive loaded custom roms on before was my htc hero but that was because it fixed a message notification problem.
So far ive no issues with my DHD so see no reason at the moment for a custom rom.

bratfink said:
To me its not the UI that counts but the android version, in other words if i had a choice of CM 6.1 or my current sense rom id go for sense. Don't get me wrong CM is amazing but both being 2.2 id rather take the extra functionality, looks and ease of use of the new Sense roms than an AOSP build. However if i had the choice of CM 7.0 (ie gingerbread) or sticking with sense 2.2 i would move over to AOSP without a second thought!
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Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost

i prefer aosp clean roms,i always used to have aosp cooked roms on my ex-desire and looking forward for aosp roms on dhd

Bring the AOSP roms on !!!

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ghostofcain said:
Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost
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Im fully aware of the benefits of CM but being mostly a business user the utility i gain from sense is far greater than on AOSP, however the geek in me just cannot live with not having the latest and greatest OS. Simple as that.

Given the choice of a same version Sense UI and a CM ROM I'd likely stick with the Sense UI version. There is a lot more integration than normal flavour ROMs offer and it's one of the reasons HTC have been praised. Small touches like basic Facebore and Twatter integration without needing an app specific to them is nice, as it the browsing of Facebork photo albums as if they're on your device.
ghostofcain said:
Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost
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It depends on what you call real functionality. As I just said above I love the extra touches that Sense UI has such as the Facebork photo albums, cross-account linking with updates from social networks in their contact profile on your phone and for me the best implementation of copy and paste outside of iOS. It's basic things, not massively important but those touches are missing from stock Android.

skimminstones said:
Unless a custom rom offers something i dont have ill stick with sense. I like it graphically and much prefer htcs widgets.
So far ive no issues with my DHD so see no reason at the moment for a custom rom.
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me too, i completely agree

I'm really torn between HTC Sense & AOSP. There are positive things for both, as this phone was supplied with android 2.1 and HTC Sense. So for me my first introduction to android was via the Sense UI so once I had rooted the phone and applied s-off I was keen to see what was difference for the user interface (ease of use) and to compare the battery life etc. I'm currently using cyanogen nightly builds, and I'm most impressed with its performance, I do miss some of the HTC widgets, but I get by! now for me my comparison between the two is like comparing kde vs gnome!
Currently my preference is with AOSP, but only by a slim margin as to some degree Sense is (for first time use) easier, but is quite taxing on CPU...
so there's my 2 cents worth!
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

AOSP !!!
I dont use any Sense widgets. I prefer the speed in a Senseless ROM

I prefer Sense ROM most of the time.. i will try to play around with AOSP once in a while but when a higher version of android is out but still no official sense rom is out yet, AOSP is a must.. this applies to Gingerbread and higher xD

How about that sense browser with the translate feature on long press, can't get that anywhere but sense, and LPP has similar widgets
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I'll be sticking with Sense, at least for a while anyway (until I get bored!).
It's nice to have something that just works. Coming from WM6.5 it's such a breath of fresh air to just have a phone that does what it's supposed to when you want it to.
I have a Kaiser flashed with CM6 and a Rhodium with AOSP if I ever want to play with that, but right now I just want a seamless environment, and Sense seems to provide that for me quite nicely.

Sense without any doubt!! The only setting I would choose AOSP is if Gingerbread comes out before an official Htc rom with Sense, as said by many. That would be the only scenario I would choose that, and then decide what to do if/when Htc comes to the upper Android version too. I really feel good with Sense, love it!

I'llstick to the first Sense rom "without all the Sense crap" I will see. Why?
The sense phone dialer is unbeatable, so useful! I don't need the clock, Fancy widget takes care of this. I don't need the news and weather stuff and all Sense crap, but because of the dialer, the contacts management AND the music interaface, it's worth having. In the Desire Android development thread, there was 1 rom like this, but I stuck with a AOSP rom because it was better. This sense rom was ok, but still, too many crap in it. The AOSP was ok, but with an update almost everyday, I could merely keep up. So I gave up and sold my Desire. Now I'm back again on the Android scene, let's see what it brings.
BIG THANKS AND RESPECT TO THE G2 TEAM WHO MADE A DESIRE COME TRUE!!!
f.

dazultra2000 said:
I'll be sticking with Sense, at least for a while anyway (until I get bored!).
It's nice to have something that just works.
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yep, i agree, im not bored with it yet and it works - no reason to change

Sense v AOSP

Heyyy, kind of a noobie here.... I flashed iced glacier, and desire HD, and now I'm using cyanogen, which is like vanilla I guess? But what's the big difference....I mean it seems like there are two sides, the vanilla, and the other side... what I want to know is what is the real difference between say, sense, and something like cyanogen? I mean I am by no means anything even remotely close to a dev or anything of that nature so maybe that's why I don't know or understand...but so far the only big difference I have seen has been like the friendstream widget and te Widgets in general are nice in sense...could someone explain to me the case for both sides....vanilla and sense?
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Jaskwith said:
Heyyy, kind of a noobie here.... I flashed iced glacier, and desire HD, and now I'm using cyanogen, which is like vanilla I guess? But what's the big difference....I mean it seems like there are two sides, the vanilla, and the other side... what I want to know is what is the real difference between say, sense, and something like cyanogen? I mean I am by no means anything even remotely close to a dev or anything of that nature so maybe that's why I don't know or understand...but so far the only big difference I have seen has been like the friendstream widget and te Widgets in general are nice in sense...could someone explain to me the case for both sides....vanilla and sense?
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Cyanogen Mod is basically a modified version of the Android Open Source Project. That is to say it is basically vanilla android with some tweaks and replacements of generic apps.
CM6 Demo
Sense is user interface created by HTC that sits on top of the core android system and replaces many of the AOSP apps with HTC versions.
Sense Demo
Espresso, sometimes called MySense, is a modified version of HTC Sense.
Espresso Demo
Touchwiz is a samsung propietary that sits on top of the core android system and replaces AOSP apps with Samsung versions.
Touchwiz Demo
MIUI is a chinese developed UI for android, and much like sense sits on top of the Android core. MIUI to most people resembles iOS. It has aspects of many other user interfaces such as sense and touchwiz.
MIUI Demo
MOTOBlur is a Motorola proprietary user interface that is heavy on social networking. It was used int the cliq, but is no longer prevalent in newer motorola phones.
MotoBlur Demo
The case for any of these is personal preference. Cyanogen Mod being an AOSP derivative tends to be more lightweight and not as resource intensive, but Sense has a ton of added goodies (particularly the actual HTC Sense and not T-mobile's version of sense, Espresso). MIUI has a very snappy interface heavy on animations and is very customizable. With all that, it's really up to you what you like most, and what suits your needs most.

I've had the Nexus One for So long with stock...
I kinda like HTC Sense on this phone it isn't so bad plenty of memory and I have a 16gb SD card. So I think I'll wait until Cyanogen comes up with a gingerbread ROM.... After coming off Cyanogen for months I think I'll give sense a try...

Thank you very much!!!!! Very helpful I get it all now. So would you say that people like AOSP so much because its by devs where as sense is something HTC tried to brand and because they are hardware end of things they don't know as much and should just leave it to devs and aosp, on the software side of things...?
slhpss said:
Cyanogen Mod is basically a modified version of the Android Open Source Project. That is to say it is basically vanilla android with some tweaks and replacements of generic apps.
CM6 Demo
Sense is user interface created by HTC that sits on top of the core android system and replaces many of the AOSP apps with HTC versions.
Sense Demo
Espresso, sometimes called MySense, is a modified version of HTC Sense.
Espresso Demo
Touchwiz is a samsung propietary that sits on top of the core android system and replaces AOSP apps with Samsung versions.
Touchwiz Demo
MIUI is a chinese developed UI for android, and much like sense sits on top of the Android core. MIUI to most people resembles iOS. It has aspects of many other user interfaces such as sense and touchwiz.
MIUI Demo
MOTOBlur is a Motorola proprietary user interface that is heavy on social networking. It was used int the cliq, but is no longer prevalent in newer motorola phones.
MotoBlur Demo
The case for any of these is personal preference. Cyanogen Mod being an AOSP derivative tends to be more lightweight and not as resource intensive, but Sense has a ton of added goodies (particularly the actual HTC Sense and not T-mobile's version of sense, Espresso). MIUI has a very snappy interface heavy on animations and is very customizable. With all that, it's really up to you what you like most, and what suits your needs most.
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Jaskwith said:
Thank you very much!!!!! Very helpful I get it all now. So would you say that people like AOSP so much because its by devs where as sense is something HTC tried to brand and because they are hardware end of things they don't know as much and should just leave it to devs and aosp, on the software side of things...?
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I think the allure of AOSP is how lightweight it is. That is why so many people like CM... it's AOSP with extra tweaks and features. Sense on the other hand many people see as bloated and "improving" where it's not needed... like I said it's all preference though... I personally really like CM, but I also really like the "new" sense that you will find in gr8gorilla's DHD port. Just experiment... maybe run a rom for a day or two give it a good test run then try another... eventually you will figure out what's right for you.

@slhpss Thanks a lot. This is a really easy and concise way of explaining things and I appreciate that.

Going to sound noobish...Different Roms?

Ok ive been doing all this rooting and customization for about 3 months now and i have what i think is a big noob Question!
Q. What is the purpuse of other roms, other then stock or cyanogen?
-Do they offer different things that i dont know about, i mean i know some allow you to get netflix and better batterylife but isnt the batterylife thing really lie in the kernel?
But other then that why get a different Rom if im going to customize it the same way i have now?
And im totally sorry if this sounds dumb...still trying to really get into all this modding thing.

mightymike889 said:
Ok ive been doing all this rooting and customization for about 3 months now and i have what i think is a big noob Question!
Q. What is the purpuse of other roms, other then stock or cyanogen?
-Do they offer different things that i dont know about, i mean i know some allow you to get netflix and better batterylife but isnt the batterylife thing really lie in the kernel?
But other then that why get a different Rom if im going to customize it the same way i have now?
And im totally sorry if this sounds dumb...still trying to really get into all this modding thing.
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Well you bring an interesting spin on a simple thought. With all the options out there you can make a Sense ROM look AOSP or make a AOSP ROM look like sense... 8
Some of the ROMs are just personal preference. I use Cyanogen(mod) because that is what i've used for my entire "android life", it's what i know, it's what i like. I know what going to be included, i know where to find stuff... . I know eViL Dee has some follower in the same case, as well as TeamRoyal. It's a comfort level i guess. I mean with so many Sense Based ROMs, so many AOSP ROMs and some other, it's all about minor tweaks. Like Cyanogen(mod) and Faux123 both offer amazing AOSP ROMs. But Faux is a little more "pure" when it comes from an AOSP end point.

neidlinger said:
Well you bring an interesting spin on a simple thought. With all the options out there you can make a Sense ROM look AOSP or make a AOSP ROM look like sense... 8
Some of the ROMs are just personal preference. I use Cyanogen(mod) because that is what i've used for my entire "android life", it's what i know, it's what i like. I know what going to be included, i know where to find stuff... . I know eViL Dee has some follower in the same case, as well as TeamRoyal. It's a comfort level i guess. I mean with so many Sense Based ROMs, so many AOSP ROMs and some other, it's all about minor tweaks. Like Cyanogen(mod) and Faux123 both offer amazing AOSP ROMs. But Faux is a little more "pure" when it comes from an AOSP end point.
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#1 what is AOSP lol
#2 so really the other roms are the same thing with sort of a different look but in reality you can basically achieve that look by modding it ..
#3 so there really isnt a difference in roms is basically wat your saying..

Don't forget miui, used to hate the ios_esk ui, but there is alot of customizability without having to go through adw or lp. Super smooth super fast. You can change everything from boot ani to fonts/custom lock screen in their there manager.
Use to be a big aosp user, but got a little plain and boring. If I was still on my mt3g I would be using aosp, but with our hardware we can afford a little more eye candy and convenience without performance sacrifice.
I usually rock between evil's vf3 and royal miui. Both get about 2 days of battery life with absolutely no lag
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mightymike889 said:
#1 what is AOSP lol
#2 so really the other roms are the same thing with sort of a different look but in reality you can basically achieve that look by modding it ..
#3 so there really isnt a difference in roms is basically wat your saying..
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AOSP: android open source project. More of pure vanilla android without all the extra framework and great for performance. I've gotten up to 3500 in quadrant score on aosp and 3 days of battery life.
Sense roms: built off htc sense framework. Tons of pretty interactive widgets but sacrifice battery and performance. Your stock mt4g came with sense stuff like facebook and weather clock animated widgets. And yes you can get sense looking widgets in an aosp, but htc offers much more than you can find on the market.
Miui: kind of like ios meets android. Not everybody likes it,
You can technically make any rom type look like any other rom type. But in the core and functionality, they are world apart
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The thing is you can replicate the UIs of other phones but you never never perfectly mimic the functionality gained from a specific UI, you cant get certain MIUI features in CM, or get all the integration of Sense into others rom. You can also make you phone look like a Droid, Sony, LG, Sammy, etc... I like MIUI now since it seems to be much quicker than other roms, I've used android since like late 09, and I must say MIUI is so different even though it's android at the core.

Joker Fuel said:
AOSP: android open source project. More of pure vanilla android without all the extra framework and great for performance. I've gotten up to 3500 in quadrant score on aosp and 3 days of battery life.
Sense roms: built off htc sense framework. Tons of pretty interactive widgets but sacrifice battery and performance. Your stock mt4g came with sense stuff like facebook and weather clock animated widgets. And yes you can get sense looking widgets in an aosp, but htc offers much more than you can find on the market.
Miui: kind of like ios meets android. Not everybody likes it,
You can technically make any rom type look like any other rom type. But in the core and functionality, they are world apart
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Hmm ok ...so wat about cm...isnt that Rly aosp Or no
Mytouch 4G, cyg 7.02

mightymike889 said:
Hmm ok ...so wat about cm...isnt that Rly aosp Or no
Mytouch 4G, cyg 7.02
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CM straight from their site
"CyanogenMod is based on the Android Open Source Project with extra contributions from many people within the Android community."
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Someone correct me if i'm wrong on any of this
Cm was developed to work on most android phones. Most of the AOSP roms that you see in the glacier development section are based off of CM but customized to work better for our phone.
Now looking at other roms for instance take Royal Ginger.
"Is built and compiled from CM7 source code with lots of the CM7 extras and other assorted bloatery removed + a custom kernel & numerous tweaks and optimizations added in. It's sleak, it's mean, and it's fast"
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So it came from CM, lets look at the 2.0 channel log to see exactly what the Developer did to it and then after trying CM if the changes look better it may be worth trying
- entire ROM completely rebuilt and compiled from scratch using latest 2.3.4 CM7 source code. i don't just take in all of the updates/code/commits willy nilly. i check them all out and cherry pick the ones i want .. test some out, decide whether or not to keep them in, etc. (more on that later)
- bundled with my first kernel build: ckisgen-smartass-CM7-v1.0 . this is compiled using a base of zinx's latest CM7 stock source but i've added in the smartass governor (with a little inspiration from dumbfuqs source code, thanks df!) and then tweaked a couple of addt'l settings. i've bumped the default max clock to 1.1ghz. this kernel will overclock to 1.8ghz. i've got LOTS of plans for this in the future. i'm going to be working hard on it. i went with something like this for maximum compatibility with this latest 2.3.4 and all the changes that it's brought about. I def gotta give a big THANKS to FauxMoney for the colorful late night conversations and inspiration to make my own kernel...thanks man.
- FULLY working google Talk with video and audio working BOTH ways (ok maybe not 100% .. switching to rear camera FC's but we're working on that..still really solid)
- moved basically all of the remaining 'extra' CM apps and a couple of others to user storage so that they can be easily removed using the traditional uninstall method via the manage applications menu (settings/applications). i call this one the "E-Z AOSP-ify" update. these apps are:
* terminal
* xda
* DSP manager (this is the new one with the EQ presets .. very nice)
* FM
* ROM Manager
* Spare Parts
* stk
* Swype
* Torch
* YouTube
- TONS and TONS of other stuff .. optimizations everywhere .. GPS, radio, data, ETC!!!!!
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After using CM for a while this may look good so read all the comments to see if anyone was having issues and whether they liked it, was it a battery hog to slow to fast etc. Any new rom will have some minor bugs but if all the new pro's outweigh the couple cons try it.
I also saw that it was on version 2.1, so I read that channel log (I won't post here) to see what fixes or changes were made. Maybe a new theme, kernal, some new app's.
It becomes fun, get involved, learn as you go try new stuff and see what works for you. Always ask if you have a question, everyone around here is really helpful.
I just used Royal Ginger as an example to show you the difference between CM and another AOSP rom that is based of CM
Edit: Also look at the pictures that they add, most everything can be changed but a rom's pics may just look really cool that you just have to try it.

Bottom line, try it all and settle with the one you like. It'll keep you busy and entertained for months
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simple ROM

Could any developer make a simple ROM with Krait optimization, a leaner build without any customization, but a fast one, just like Peter Alfonson's Buglessbeast?

g33kt said:
Could any developer make a simple ROM with Krait optimization, a leaner build without any customization, but a fast one, just like Peter Alfonson's Buglessbeast?
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youre looking for an aosp krait optimized rom? there are a few in the development section(not original development), here one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2116248
but id never compare a "fastest" rom to bugless beast, there are many much "faster" than it.