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Alright...so here goes. I have been out of the smartphone market for some time now and am getting this awesome phone tomorrow. I am friggin excited! Feels like Christmas in the summer! Verizon tells me that it will already come with the 6.1 update installed. Anyone gotten one recently to verify this, and how do I tell when I get it...also how can I tell the radio that it has? I also already wanna mod this machine, and although I am selfproclaimed computer savvy, I am a little nervous about bricking the phone. I think I def want either an iCRAP setup to piss off everyone at work, or nfsfans 6.5....although I would like to have someone walk me through it. I have to say, everyone on this forum has done an excellent job with their machines and I am impressed. Also, I don't know that this will even be an issue, but it will still need to function as a phone and pda...as I have read in a few different places that some cant use their phone function anymore, etc. And I definitely wanna get the GPS running ASAP, due to travel on the job. Any help will be greatly appreciated, and I will def help out anyone on here if I can. I also am not sure about when and when not to let customizations run...any help with that would be awesome too
i am also getting this phone from vzw thursday, they told me it comes standard with wm6.0 idk or care. as soon as i get it im gonna flash a custom rom.
Hey there, I'm a fellow Verizon user. It was kind of nerve-wracking flashing the ROM for the first time, but its really NBD once you get into it (be sure and try android too!).
Do your reading first, there are tutorials all over the place. Something to remember about customizations - Don't let them run on any official Verizon updates you see floating around the internet, as they will cripple your GPS. Don't let them run on any ROM designed for another carrier. If you're flashing a generic or Verizon-specific CUSTOM ROM, let them run.
And you can check in settings to see your radio and OS version and all that (under "about" I think, correct me if I'm wrong)
Have fun!
so if i run mr1 from verizon to get to wm6.1, then I SHOULD NOT not run customizations. What buttons do I press to do a hard reset before that comes up? But, if I were to do NFSFAN's 6.5 rom, then I SHOULD let customizations run. Also, could someone point me to a set of CLEAR directions on doing the flashes? I have read a bunch of them, and it seems they are all missing little parts.....probably something so familiar to the editor, they just forget to include in the steps.
Yes, the lack of CLEAR instructions as a stickey is a real problem on a lot of boards. I've read threads over 300 posts in order to get solid info. I don't mind searching for info, but jeesh, guys it is unbearable. Granted some of this stuff is not for the faint of heart, but there can be so much info, and sometimes it is often confusing and contradictory. The SR. members and the Admins need to get their heads together and take a month to provide the community some solid resources, and weed out some of the erroneous info here. We want to make having this phone FUN and Practical. A Case in point is trying to get GPS working. Have you guys looked at all the info on here about this. Granted there is variety of carriers, but it shouldn't be brain surgery.
Also chevyspd,you want to do a SOFT reset before the customizations. Use your stylus to depress the small hole in the bottom of the phone before they run. Should be golden. A HARD reset will restart the flashing process from scratch.
10-4....so only do a soft reset by only pressing the button in the hole on the bottom before customizations runs. That is very contradictory from about 50 other posts I've read so far. A whole bunch of them say to do a HARD reset, but I will remember not to. But, when I do a custom rom like NFSFANS, I don't have to do a reset at all....correct?
You wouldn't believe how many times I got flamed for that same kinda comment on other forums.....interestingly though....Also...if I flash to NFSFANs 6.5, are the cubes still active, or is that something from HTC that gets written over with a new rom?
So, my new phone already has 6.1 right outta the box. Interestingly enough, it went to the customizations screen as soon as I powered the phone up, so I immediately hit the soft reset. How can I tell if what I did worked, and if it didn't, how can I fix it so I can use 3rd party gps programs?
Wow; a lot of questions. I'm not sure about NFSFAN's rom. To see if the gps works, make sure you have the Settings>phone>services>location is set to on. Then make sure the external gps setting is set to Comm4, then hardware NONE, baud 4800, and allow Windows to manage gps. Do a Google search for HTC QuickGPS if it's not already on your phone (varies from carrier to carrier) and Install it; Run it, outside and allow it 10 minutes to get a lock. If gps is working, then you should be golden. You will probably need to turn the radio on after every re-boot; and be aware that leaving the radio going WILL drain you battery faster than usual. All this assumes you are using the stock rom, and not one of the custom ones; each to those varies, some work out of the box so to speak, some of them require tweaking.
Funny i just got the phone yesterday to, but i actually already had it for about a year lol, just replaced the one i broke on saturday. But honestly the first thing i did with the phone is put in my SD card and boot up Android....
I really want my GPS back again but i dont really want to go through the hassle of unlocking, flashing, unlocking, and flashing, but if you deem it neccessary. and maybe i will to one day soon. lol heres the link
http://wiki.ppchaven.com/index.php?title=Pocket_PC_WIki:FIX_VERIZON_GPS
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You wouldn't believe how many times I got flamed for that same kinda comment on other forums.....interestingly though....Also...if I flash to NFSFANs 6.5, are the cubes still active, or is that something from HTC that gets written over with a new rom?
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The cube is way back when man, sorry but those things are old school already. lol so when you flash to the 6.5 NFSFAN rom it will not have the cube, but it will have titanium and manilla 2d, which in my opinion are awesome replacements
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But, if I were to do NFSFAN's 6.5 rom, then I SHOULD let customizations run?
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Yes, and remember to install the Verizon cab in his post :thumbsup:
Well, the phone didn't come with the cube anyways...lol...so anywho...I think the GPS is working anyways...just gotta find a free GPS like vznavi or something.
i tried searching the google for solutions to these, but couldn't seem to find any solutions in the "other" forums that came up in the results. i was hoping someone here might have an answers.
coming from WinMo, the biggest annoyances on the hero for me are:1) when i'm playing music off the phone and i receive any sort of notification, the music pauses for like 2 seconds plays the notification sound pauses then resumes the music instead of the just playing the notification sound over the music the pause happens even if i have the phone set to vibrate mode...just no notification sound..this is extremely annoying. 2) also i noticed the power button and end call button are the same button which is ok, but when i'm leaving voicemails i have a tendancy to just hit hang up when im done however i noticed that if the screen goes off during my call and i press end call it just turns the screen back on instead of ending my call...extremely dangerous when leaving messages..
does anyone have any solutions or workarounds for these?
thanks!
The AOSP 1.6 roms solve the issue with the end button, as it is the ONLY way to hang up a call in vanilla Home Android. Notification w/ Music? Didn't test that yet, but the 1.6 roms are definitely worth a try. I'll get back to you on the music notification thing. Hope this helped.
EDIT: Apparently it solves both issues. Hope I helped you with this. If you like Sense UI, the AOSP roms aren't for you, they do away with Sense.
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The AOSP 1.6 roms solve the issue with the end button, as it is the ONLY way to hang up a call in vanilla Home Android.
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Can you clarify this a bit? What do you mean by it is the only way to hang up a call? Are you saying in AOSP the screen just stays on for the entire duration of the call?
if you press the "menu" button after the screen shuts off during a call, it'll turn back on, at which point you can either press the red button, or the "end call" button on the screen.
Or, if you pull the phone away from your ear and see that the screen is off, and want to end the call, hit the red button twice in quick succession, and it'll turn on then hang up within a second or two
The idiot who decided to make the power button and the hang up button one button should be shot, IMHO! Yes there are workarounds and ways to handle it but they require too much thought and it's just way too easy to hang up on somebody.
Also, the interrupt the music (or podcast) to play the alarm is dumb too. Additionally it's not like they pause the music rather the music runs onward and, if you happen to be listening to a podcasts where the words are important you can miss key concepts and have to rewind.
I've flashed the 2.1 ROM with HTC Sense. I would not put it beyond the HTC guys to have messed it up and made it so that the alarm still interrupts the music. The power button thing is definitely not solved in this ROM.
But by far my biggest complaint is improper handling of AVRCP. 2.1 is better but it's still not even good. If I start Google Listen and am listening to a podcast then I can hit pause on my bluetooth headset and it works. If, however, I navigate away from Google Listen then the pause button doesn't work at all. Often it'll start the HTC Music app and then I'll have both the podcast AND music playing. Brilliant!
just a thought but maybe you should have looked into the phone before purchasing. and being rude and saying that the 2.1 isnt any good is really insulting to all the devs that have worked really hard on that rom considering that it was built well before the kernel source came out. and im sorry but if you cant remember to hit menu and then end instead of just end then maybe you should just get a flip phone. as far as the notification over the music goes, gee lets think about this, your listening to music and you get a text hmmmmmmm maybe you want to be NOTIFIED that you got a text.
my advice. Either go back to a winmo phone or get a flip.
i don't think he meant to insult the developers..the hero is definitely a great phone and androids is awesome, but there are bugs and what better way to solve them them to point them out and discuss them.
its not so much that you cant remember to hit end twice or press menu and then hit end, but its the fact that you have to take the extra step. and text messaging thing, yes it lets me know that i have a text, but i would have known that if it played the sound concurrently or if it just flashed the lights, but ok that's not major issue i understand some people like to hear the sound separately. however, if i have the phone on vibrate and am playing music, it still pauses the music when a notification comes even tho it doesn't play the notification sounds..that's just plain ridiculous.
i mean if i'm paying for a high end phone i kind of expect to manufacturer to have done research and testing in UI and human interaction to address these kind of issues.
btw i found this app in market call "proximity sensor" that kind of fixes the end call problem. when you are on a call it uses the light sensor to detect if you have the phone up to your head and it dims the screen and turns it back on when it sees light. the only hickups are if you are in a dark area you have to hit back to get the screen back on as there wont be any light for it detect and also it doesn't turn off the screen just dims it..so might kill your battery a bit quicker, but all in all i tihnk it's pretty nice.
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The idiot who decided to make the power button and the hang up button one button should be shot, IMHO! Yes there are workarounds and ways to handle it but they require too much thought and it's just way too easy to hang up on somebody.
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There's a good number of phones like that. Treo 700p, 755p, 800w, Samsung Rant, Sanyo SCP-3100 just to name a few. Actually, the Blackberry that I have for work is the only phone that I have used recently that has a separate power button.
I think I had a Nokia that had a separate power button.
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i don't think he meant to insult the developers..the hero is definitely a great phone and androids is awesome, but there are bugs and what better way to solve them them to point them out and discuss them.
its not so much that you cant remember to hit end twice or press menu and then hit end, but its the fact that you have to take the extra step. and text messaging thing, yes it lets me know that i have a text, but i would have known that if it played the sound concurrently or if it just flashed the lights, but ok that's not major issue i understand some people like to hear the sound separately. however, if i have the phone on vibrate and am playing music, it still pauses the music when a notification comes even tho it doesn't play the notification sounds..that's just plain ridiculous.
i mean if i'm paying for a high end phone i kind of expect to manufacturer to have done research and testing in UI and human interaction to address these kind of issues.
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Actually, I like having to hit End twice. When I had my Treo phones (700p, 755p and 800w), I would always hit the red end button to turn on the screen. The problem is, if the screen goes off while you are on a call, I accidentally hang up on the person because I was trying to turn my screen back on.
I guess it is more of a preference.
So many things to say... First off wtphoto, I was not really given an opportunity to check out the phone at the time. Here's the deal: My last phone just broke - the screen would not turn on. Now for a long time I've been wanted to switch to Android but honestly I was waiting for the HD2 and Android to be put on it. I was unemployed at the time but just got a job up in Seattle. I was flying out to look for a place to live and I needed to keep in touch with head hunters, the contracting agency, etc. when, as I said, my phone died. So I bought the HTC Hero on a whim rather then going with another WinMo phone. OK. So stop assuming things and ask questions first.
Being rude?!? Hardly. You ain't seen rude yet. I was merely voicing my opinion. As for the "devs" as you say, we're not talking about HTC developers here - we're talking about ROM cookers and yes they work hard. But I don't think they are re-writing drivers or anything like that.
As for hitting menu first or whatever, listen, it's a legitimate complaint. It's foolish to make the button that turns the screen blank and locks it the same button that will hang up on the current call. Pick any other button!
As for the proximity sensor thing - actually the 2.1 ROM has that. However I rarely, if ever, put the phone up to my ear. I use a bluetooth headset - actually a stereo headset. Besides, the proximity sensor app simply and always blanked the screen and locked it. Let me repeat. I use my bluetooth headset. So I take out my phone and I dial the number. I don't even move the phone anywhere close to my face. The proximity sensor blanks and locks the phone. And often I'm about to talk to a menuing system where I'll have to hit 1 for English etc. To me the proximity sensor serves no purpose because often the first thing I need to do it disable it.
Perhaps unlike you wtphoto, I have ears which are capable of hearing both music (or spoken text) AND an alert at the same time! Point is this should be an option - you choose your way and I'll choose mine - OK?
But ajaholic is right - I was not dissing developers I was stating the problems I was having with the phone - much like the OP. You don't like my "tone". Tough ****! Get used to it.
Indeed if I'm gonna pay hundreds of dollars for a phone that I'll have to live with for years you bet your sweet ass I'm gonna be picky. Do your homework and remember Rule #1 - THE CUSTOMER I ALWAYS RIGHT. Further - Rule #2 - See Rule #1.
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and remember Rule #1 - THE CUSTOMER I ALWAYS RIGHT. Further - Rule #2 - See Rule #1.
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not where i work.
Who is the customer of xda-dev? Dude needs to get a life.
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not where i work.
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HAHA Me Either, I get off on proving them wrong.
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So many things to say... First off wtphoto, I was not really given an opportunity to check out the phone at the time. Here's the deal: My last phone just broke - the screen would not turn on. Now for a long time I've been wanted to switch to Android but honestly I was waiting for the HD2 and Android to be put on it. I was unemployed at the time but just got a job up in Seattle. I was flying out to look for a place to live and I needed to keep in touch with head hunters, the contracting agency, etc. when, as I said, my phone died. So I bought the HTC Hero on a whim rather then going with another WinMo phone. OK. So stop assuming things and ask questions first.
Being rude?!? Hardly. You ain't seen rude yet. I was merely voicing my opinion. As for the "devs" as you say, we're not talking about HTC developers here - we're talking about ROM cookers and yes they work hard. But I don't think they are re-writing drivers or anything like that.
As for hitting menu first or whatever, listen, it's a legitimate complaint. It's foolish to make the button that turns the screen blank and locks it the same button that will hang up on the current call. Pick any other button!
As for the proximity sensor thing - actually the 2.1 ROM has that. However I rarely, if ever, put the phone up to my ear. I use a bluetooth headset - actually a stereo headset. Besides, the proximity sensor app simply and always blanked the screen and locked it. Let me repeat. I use my bluetooth headset. So I take out my phone and I dial the number. I don't even move the phone anywhere close to my face. The proximity sensor blanks and locks the phone. And often I'm about to talk to a menuing system where I'll have to hit 1 for English etc. To me the proximity sensor serves no purpose because often the first thing I need to do it disable it.
Perhaps unlike you wtphoto, I have ears which are capable of hearing both music (or spoken text) AND an alert at the same time! Point is this should be an option - you choose your way and I'll choose mine - OK?
But ajaholic is right - I was not dissing developers I was stating the problems I was having with the phone - much like the OP. You don't like my "tone". Tough ****! Get used to it.
Indeed if I'm gonna pay hundreds of dollars for a phone that I'll have to live with for years you bet your sweet ass I'm gonna be picky. Do your homework and remember Rule #1 - THE CUSTOMER I ALWAYS RIGHT. Further - Rule #2 - See Rule #1.
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in rebut,
if you are unemployed why did you buy a $580 phone "on a whim" to begin with, I know for myself if I am spending more than $100 on something I am going to know as much as I can about the product BEFORE I purchase. second if you want to *****, ***** to HTC they are the ones that designed the phone, the devs here can only do so much. And yes if you actually read through the 2.1 thread toast and lox did have to re-write A LOT of code to get it working with the hacked up kernel that is on the CDMA hero.
I will agree that it would be NICE to be able to set the lock button like you can on the blackberry's, but it really isnt that big of a deal it took all of about 5 phone calls to get used to hitting menu then end. instead of just complaining why not try to get used to the way the phone works.
addressing the notification issue again, HTC built a phone that a MAJORITY of people liked. They can not design a phone just for you. deal with it or sell the phone and buy a winmo.
as far as your tone. untill you start compiling the kernel and cooking up ROMs, why not just be thankful that there are people out there willing to put in as much time and work as flipz, toast, lox, chuck, TTG, MoDaCo, GBhil and the rest and then release their work at no charge AND support the work that they do so that we as a community can enjoy our phones just a little more. Not to mention people like godzon, Noj, and Emerica who are putting out themes and add on's.
and the truth of the matter is that the customer is normally WRONG. most of the customers that I deal with are like you, they just want to find something to ***** about and try and get something that they feel they deserve but in actuality they dont.
as far as being picky, once again I point to the fact that you say you bought a $580 phone "on a whim" you cant be too picky when you do something like that.
Just an FYI on the Notifications and the sounds pausing - I think it is because our audio buffer is too small. Should be able to do something with it now that we have a kernel. I haven't touched the source much since it came out, but I'll see if I can at least track it down.
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if you are unemployed why did you buy a $580 phone "on a whim" to begin with,
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I'm very much gainfully employed. I was between contracts and actually I already had a contract and was flying to Seattle to look for an apt to move to. It was no so much "on a whim" rather I didn't want to go back to a WinMo phone, which would have locked me into another contract and I needed a working phone for the journey to conduct business - apparently something you know little about...
I know for myself if I am spending more than $100 on something I am going to know as much as I can about the product BEFORE I purchase.
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That's because $100 represents a lot more of your disposable income than mine.
second if you want to *****, ***** to HTC they are the ones that designed the phone, the devs here can only do so much.
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Dude, I'm complaining about *software* problems. If the devs here are devs then what do they develop but software?
And yes if you actually read through the 2.1 thread toast and lox did have to re-write A LOT of code to get it working with the hacked up kernel that is on the CDMA hero.
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Wonderful.
I will agree that it would be NICE to be able to set the lock button like you can on the blackberry's, but it really isnt that big of a deal it took all of about 5 phone calls to get used to hitting menu then end. instead of just complaining why not try to get used to the way the phone works.
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Conform or else eh? Whatever you do do not mention that you don't like the way it works because lord knows somebody might fix it! Let me ask you this, why does it bother you so that somebody may wish to have it work in an more intelligent fashion instead of having to get used to an asinine way of doing things? And yes it is a big deal when you hang up on important people - perhaps you've never met any...
addressing the notification issue again, HTC built a phone that a MAJORITY of people liked. They can not design a phone just for you. deal with it or sell the phone and buy a winmo.
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Wonderful attitude there bud "Well everybody else likes it (because anybody who complains we call an idiot) so why don't you just shut up and get used to it". Regardless if HTC built the phone or not, surely the software could be taught to be flexible and - I'd say - reasonably intelligent (unlike some posters here).
as far as your tone. untill you start compiling the kernel and cooking up ROMs, why not just be thankful that there are people out there willing to put in as much time and work as flipz, toast, lox, chuck, TTG, MoDaCo, GBhil and the rest and then release their work at no charge AND support the work that they do so that we as a community can enjoy our phones just a little more. Not to mention people like godzon, Noj, and Emerica who are putting out themes and add on's.
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Did I ever say I wasn't thankful? If there's any doubt - thanks. However surely you're not saying that everything is 100% perfect and you allow people to have an opinion that differs from yours... Then again, perhaps not.
and the truth of the matter is that the customer is normally WRONG.
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And this son is why you'll never be that successful and $100 will always represent a lot of money to you - *YOUR* attitude.
most of the customers that I deal with are like you, they just want to find something to ***** about and try and get something that they feel they deserve but in actuality they dont.
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Ditto here too. Let's take the interruption when an alarm goes off. Surely some people like and perhaps favor that. But as assuredly others might prefer it not to. Who is right? Answer is both are right because they have different desires and neither is more right than the other. But you brand this as "a customer who just likes to ***** and get something they don't deserve".
as far as being picky, once again I point to the fact that you say you bought a $580 phone "on a whim" you cant be too picky when you do something like that.
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Well it was not $580 - it was used thus around $250 and I also got out of my contract. As I said I had the option of getting another WinMo phone and a 2 year contract or HTC Hero used with no contract. I took the later as I wanted Android and I figured I could update to other hardware (Nexus, HTC HD2 or whatever) and perhaps the provider down the road.
I for the life of me cant figure out why my camera is completely dead! I have FULLY wiped all caches,everything under 'WIPE' via AMONS and even formatted my SD card as well as trying an alternate SD card(both 8GB--C6speed)--never had a problem w either card on ANY ROM...ALL OF A SUDDEN the past 2days my camera goes to a FULL BLACK SCREEN,when pressing the CAMERA icon. Occasionally the taskbar will remain uptop but will timeout when screen display shutsoff. Now if i launch CAMERA via DESIRE ROM(KING),ill get the notice about clicking trackball to resume camera but as soon as i click it,the message dissapears and the screen will go back to black screen again...and repeat. I SWEAR i have DONE MULTIPLE COMPLETE WIPES AND REFORMATS so im left to believe its THE HARDWARE itself! CAN ANYBODY PLEASE LEND ME A HAND IF the similar problemhas occured...On the Nandroid backups that ive restored from FULLY FUNCTIONING bkups,if i launch NEXUS TORCH it will say CANNOT ACCESS LED---this is THE ONLY info besides the "camera wake message"mentioned earlier that i can provide. Thanks in advance and pleas edont flame for NOT being in Q&A bc this is more of a DEV related restore question.
**oh and BTW--I DID TRY TO INSTALL the DESIRE R2 cam fix and does nothing. I tried it when all was working fine early in the week and it did nothing to help FLASH timing for me,so i NAN restored back to prior state and CAMERA continued working until about THURSDAY night--regardless--PHONE is in OUT OF BOX STATE--MINUS UNLOCKED and it STILL doesnt work!---PEACE and Happy Mothers Day to any Mothers out there in XDA world!
***Captain Obvious to the Rescue!!***
Your hardware has malfunctioned. Contact HTC for a repair.
1. you may have a broken camera, try a stock rom
2. your caps lock button is definitely broken
3. you posted in the wrong section
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1. you may have a broken camera, try a stock rom
2. your caps lock button is definitely broken
3. you posted in the wrong section
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1. i should have known you were from Philly and cant read--I TRIED STOCK ROM
2. CAPS is to put highlights on key terms so idiots dont read over the fact that I DID TRY STOCK ROM---see how that helps?
3. Thanks for your informative responses---any suggestions from CAPTAIN OBVIOUS how to get service on a ROOTED device without being charged full price on the phone?? Ahhh--thought not!--So i tried here to see if anyone else had similar situation. AGAIN-thanks for your help as well SERIAL TOON--geez
If it's a hardware failure they won't charge you.
I think it will help if you go through Google Cust service first...they will end up redirecting you to HTC repair. Provide all truthful information on your issue, proving that you have done some legitimate trouble shooting and they will realize that it is a hardware issue, not the ROM flashing or bootloader unlocking that caused the problem. Someone else on the xda forums had a rooted phone with bluetooth problem and was able to send to HTC for repair for free...with a 4 day turnaround!
Good luck!
What do you base this on...Heresay?
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If it's a hardware failure they won't charge you.
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I didnt intend to sound rude,im just a little pissed right now..I Only ask bc i already had an issue in January days after receipt of phone. Issue was solved by sending me a new battery bc other was causing random shutdowns (ive since forwarded this info to another XDAmember that had exact same issue and they give him replacement phone at 1st but issue continued to occur--i told him about my story after he posted his problem, he contacted them this weekend and confirmed with me today that a new battery was on the way..see my public IM's for info). Anyway,when i was dealing with the battery issue they said they would definately NOT be able to fix under warranty bc the phone is rooted and unlocked. I can attest to the few people on here that said theyve been successful in such cases,but either way,IVE ALREADY STATED that i tried the DESIRE R2 camera kernal to see if that helps,so im not going to be dishonest and tell them i havent tried anything other than custom roms. Again..positive suggestions or similar experiences with warranty info would be appreciated....trollers looking for a funny post or to degrade people can eat one!
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I think it will help if you go through Google Cust service first...they will end up redirecting you to HTC repair. Provide all truthful information on your issue, proving that you have done some legitimate trouble shooting and they will realize that it is a hardware issue, not the ROM flashing or bootloader unlocking that caused the problem. Someone else on the xda forums had a rooted phone with bluetooth problem and was able to send to HTC for repair for free...with a 4 day turnaround!
Good luck!
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Thanks JOSH, ill look into it tommorrow--as i stated tho--i feel im being dishonest for trying the DESIRE R2 cam and saying that they should cover it---uninformed people will assume THAT couldve caused it,even though i used phone afterwards for a few days w no side effects
Hey Milton, like others have mentioned in here might want to try flash back to stock and seeing if the problem persists. If it does then your looking at a hardware problem and you should contact HTC/google for repair.
Yea...i was thinking that from get go--(hardware prob). Im on cheesy STOCK ROM right now and have been for cpl hrs...but its obvious its gotta be hardware...NOW comes the crappy part of trying to explain it to HTC when attempting to get an RMA!--Yee Haa!
MOD PLEASE CLOSE OR DELETE---THANKS!
Milton, among the items on the very small list of things folks around here want in return for helping you is that you lay off the caps. Doesn't highlight anything that you'd want to highlight.
Doug
Okay,,,this is weird!!..My TORCH hadnt been working at all either, the whole time ive had the camera problem. Now ,the torch will work for ONE TURN ON, then if i launch CAMERA, the cam still doesnt work. i have to HOME and HOME only to get back to home screen..BACK ARROW does nothing except vibrate,indicating touch response. If i then re-launch TORCH, it doesnt work....!??SOMETHING is ODD--and im split whether its hardware- or some sorta SYSTEM file that stays stuck even after all STOCK FLASHES and everything!--again,reminder..the LED TORCH hadnt worked up until this point--unit has NEVER been dropped,slid out of pocket from 1foot high onto superthick carpet,so i doubt its a loose internal cable...Hmmm...
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Okay,,,this is weird!!..My TORCH hadnt been working at all either, the whole time ive had the camera problem. Now ,the torch will work for ONE TURN ON, then if i launch CAMERA, the cam still doesnt work. i have to HOME and HOME only to get back to home screen..BACK ARROW does nothing except vibrate,indicating touch response. If i then re-launch TORCH, it doesnt work....!??SOMETHING is ODD--and im split whether its hardware- or some sorta SYSTEM file that stays stuck even after all STOCK FLASHES and everything!--again,reminder..the LED TORCH hadnt worked up until this point--unit has NEVER been dropped,slid out of pocket from 1foot high onto superthick carpet,so i doubt its a loose internal cable...Hmmm...
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That seriously hurts my eyes to look at. Try using proper punctuation and grammar. It's very simple and still gets your point across.
As for your phone. Call Google which will probably have you call HTC. People have gotten their rooted devices fixed for free if it's a genuine hardware problem and nothing caused from the rooting process.
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Okay,,,this is weird!!..My TORCH hadnt been working at all either, the whole time ive had the camera problem. Now ,the torch will work for ONE TURN ON, then if i launch CAMERA, the cam still doesnt work. i have to HOME and HOME only to get back to home screen..BACK ARROW does nothing except vibrate,indicating touch response. If i then re-launch TORCH, it doesnt work....!??SOMETHING is ODD--and im split whether its hardware- or some sorta SYSTEM file that stays stuck even after all STOCK FLASHES and everything!--again,reminder..the LED TORCH hadnt worked up until this point--unit has NEVER been dropped,slid out of pocket from 1foot high onto superthick carpet,so i doubt its a loose internal cable...Hmmm...
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You should send it to HTC for repair. Charging fee or not, but thats the only option to you right now because its a hardware failure.
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That seriously hurts my eyes to look at. Try using proper punctuation and grammar. It's very simple and still gets your point across.
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I was thinking the exact same thing, don't know where he must have learned how to type. Then you criticize people from Philly, or whatever its called somewhere, for not knowing how to read. I would say mirror that advice and learn how to type.. type properly.
Torch will work until camera app is used then it wont work again until i reboot. After reboot, torch will work ONLY on regular/lower setting. MAX brightness will not work. Toggle back to LOW setting and torch will work again. Im going to try what DOUG suggested bc that is the only thing i havent tried yet...but the way torch and camera are acting up and requiring reboots keeps me willing to try software tricks first...WHAT ties the TORCH's HI setting to the camera app adn yet keeps the LOW setting seperate!??..ill try the TORCH dev real quick for some insight on how the two work hand in hand.Thanks for anyone using their time to help instead of criticize. Sorry for mocking ones ability to read but i was quite [email protected] time bc i lost a major function on my phone.My apologies to all
Seriously Milton? More?
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Please DONT lend assistance to someone like this. IF they cant bither to read THE MOST SIMPLEST instructions, they should NOT be attempting this in the first place...thats just sheer ignorance...
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The attitude, hostility and the caps are not welcome here.
Along with the others I have no sympathy for you. Learn proper grammar and get a better attitude.
Troll much? Go tell your mother happy mothers day if you have that much time to pull up old posts from people asking questions in a 'kernal forum' about basics. Basics that anyone should know, if not they stand a much better chance on damging their phone. It wasnt being ignorant. Since you know everything there is to know about everyones posts, tell me where the topic dealing with my specific camera issue has been previously posted and ill be glad to read and search thru that forum. I wasnt the one asking questions about something mentioned in the OP (uh oh i used caps--oh geesh-someones gonna be saaad now!)and numerous pages before. Im sorry i dont spend all my life on forums to know that only words approved for caps are indeed CAPITALIZED. Petty little boy-and by the way, i was trying to stress your good advice by typing your name in caps so people would credit you with the help-Sorry to have taken your precious time sir. Good day.
I'm aware of apps like NoLock which disable the Vibrants lock screens. I was thinking about it and is there really any reason to have a lock screen? Seems like it's just an added step and a potential waste of battery. Thoughts?
To make sure you don't mess **** up if you accidentally hit your power button in your pocket
Right, I was rocking them way back in the day when you could pocket dial your whole phonebook with hardware # buttons, but with the Vibrant I've never noticed messing with the hardware buttons just from it being in my pocket.
Well, actually there are a lot of benefits to having the lock screen.
- You could turn up your ringer in a situation where you need to have it on silent.
- Quickly control music without draining battery by going to the actual music app.
- Seeing what type of notifications you get without pulling out the entire UI.
There are added benefits to disabling the lock screen, but you will probably encounter enough problems to make it not worth it.
true, I hadn't considered the music aspect
How about the fact that it's a secuirty mechanism?
No need for it. It was one of the first things I disabled.
Here's why:
-Accidentally messing it in your pocket somehow? Even if you manage to hit the power button and make it come on, it won't do anything as the screen is activated through electricity of your fingers. That's how it works. Nothing in your pocket can make it do ANYTHING, even if its on. If you REACH in your pocket and its on, then yes, you can hit something.
-Music app. SUPER easy to switch music when you have no lock screen. Simply Hit power button and swipe away anywhere on teh screen to change a song. VERY VERY useful while driving and u can't afford to look at the screen.
-Easier to respond to texts. You don't need to unlock it to do stuff now. MUCH simplifies everything but notifications are especially convinient to deal with.
-ACTUALLY saves battery. Try it. No lock screen will net you NO loss in battery life and is likely to increase it as you won't go through a locking screen every time. You quickly develop a habit of turning it off by the power key when ur done with something and turning it back on when you need it. It's instant, quick, and saves on juice.
I don't know of a SINGLE reason to keep a lock screen except for aesthetics or if you want to prevent people using your phone (in which case its a passworded lockscreen). Those are the only 2 reasons really. . .
how about to check out the time, see missed calls or texts easily because sometime the notification bar is full of notifications, and it is a great way to check the time without people seeing what you have been using in your phone and also it turns off fast so you dont have to press the power button twice.
I wouldn't take it off only because I see more advantages than disadvantages.
Just my two cents.
Better not lose your phones. No lock makes it that much easier to grab your data, regardless if you report it and the phone becomes a brick. Think of all that stuff the person who found it would be able to do. Get a list of your contacts, find the last few places you visited, make calls, etc... An exposed phone would be an identity theives dream.
And just think... you could slow them down with a simple pattern lock. Ignorant not to use that layer.
The security feature is pretty meaningless to me. I'm not ultra scared of someone finding my phone and having my friends and my weed dealers phone numbers.
Lol @ TC
This thread is so pointless
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The security feature is pretty meaningless to me. I'm not ultra scared of someone finding my phone and having my friends and my weed dealers phone numbers.
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Okay. Would you mind posting a copy of your contacts in this thread? Most likely not, unless of course you have zero respect for your contacts information, in which case you should let your friends know how wreckless you are being with their data.
The point is, you may not lose this phone or your next or the one after that. It is a fact that unless you take ownership of your information, you put yourself at risk of making details you consider private, public.
One word:
Children.
Without a lock screen, my kids would have done things to my phone that I can not even imagine. lol
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Lol @ TC
This thread is so pointless
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Not entirely pointless. It provided a chance for you to be a prick
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Not entirely pointless. It provided a chance for you to be a prick
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And for you a chance to come off as a complete moron. I guess not all is lost, eh?
Well, different strokes for different folks. I'm rarely ever more than 5 feet away from phone, so I don't worry too much about the security aspect. I do turn it on if I'm going out to a bar or club or something, but otherwise the lock screen just slows me down.
ipugh said:
One word:
Children.
Without a lock screen, my kids would have done things to my phone that I can not even imagine. lol
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..... or just don't let your kids use your phone as a toy. The lock screen doesn't keep it from going in the toilet if the kid is very young.
The lock screen strikes me as feature-creep.
NoLock was the first non-rooting-related thing I installed.
Hey Folks!
I finally managed to get the Cyanogenmod 7.2 and GAPPS installed on my SD card and I want to thank one and all for their assistance. It has been running pretty well for the past week, well enough that my grandkids have managed to get me started with the Angry Birds game. I gotta watch myself playing it cause the time goes by real quick like and chores get missed. I've been reading the posts here and the answers everyone gave me when I was having trouble with my Nook. A few things have happened and I have a couple of questions about a few other.
1. Most of the time the Nook boots into Cyanogenmod with no problems, but about one out of every 6 or so times it just hangs up on boot. It tells you it is starting but just stays there, when this happens it may happen two or threee time in a row, is this common? Is there a fix I can try?
2. There seems to be some applications for a phone on Cyanogenmod, can I remove these? Is there even a way to remove them? I just wanted to kind of clean things up a bit, should I even be attempting this?
3. What applications do you more experienced users feel are a necessity for a new user to have on the Nook? Are there any applications on the Nook that a noob really shouldn't mess around with? Is there any recommended reading about using android that anyone can recommend?
From the dust bowl that used to be known as the Missouri Ozarks,
GrampaBear
1. That only happens to me on my first boot after updating my ROM, and only since I installed to internal (emmc).
2. Yeah, there's a camera app too and several other useless things. No, you shouldn't get rid of it. Some apps and Google stuff won't run if you do.
3. I have found that Android Assistant is a good noob alternative to Titanium Backup. TiBu can really let you screw things up. Android Assistant isn't as powerful but it does let you back up your apps.
For a noob learning to use power apps I have found it is best to have a particular goal in mind. If you just go looking for things to fiddle with the thing you'll learn is how to reinstall your ROM and apps.
If you don't have a dropbox account, get one. It will make your life easier and give you a place to store backups.
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...From the dust bowl that used to be known as the Missouri Ozarks,
GrampaBear
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What part are you from? My dad grew up in Kissee Mills and Forsythe. I have cousins in Branson.
Most apps are noob friendly by design... just don't mess around with overclocking/voltage tweaking apps such as nook tweaks and setcpu unless you know what you are doing. That's the only way I can think of of how someone could permanently brick their nook. ;P
Edit: Technically, you can get rid of the phone app by a process called freezing/blocking. You can do so with gemini app manager, BUT I wouldn't just freeze things willy-nilly. Some apps, like contact storage, are required for gapps to run; though I've successfully frozen the camera and phone app without any adverse side effects. To freeze, press the menu button, go to more, then click expert mode. Then navigate to the apps you want to freeze (camera and phone), hold your finger down on them, and it will bring up a menu with an option to freeze the app. If, for whatever reason in the future, want to have this app back, you can do so by navigating to the app in expert mode, hold for the menu and unfreeze it and the app will function as normal.
Edit 2: A fix you might want to try for the boot problem would be to wipe dalvik cache. If you are using clockwork mod recovery, boot into it through recovery mode, go to advanced, and select wipe dalvik cache. Then reboot and see if the problem is gone.
Edit 3. For apps you might want to install, here's a list of apps I use:
Dolphin Browser HD- Best internet browser imo, though you might want to disable dolphin sonar to prevent it from bothering you.
Poweramp/DoubleTwist + Air Sync: These are both music players. The difference between the two is that poweramp is more manual+cheaper and gives more input options while DoubleTwist is more automatic. I personally use Poweramp because it gives you the option to play flac lossless music files, but it requires you to manually copy music files to your sd card from your computer or download them from Google play. On the other hand, DoubleTwist is more expensive, but when paired with airsync, it gives you an option to install a program on to your computer that allows you to automatically sync wirelessly as well as plugged in. It also is compatible with iTunes.
Doubletwist Alarm: Best alarm I found. Simple to use, works, can calibrate to sleep cycles, etc.
B&N Nook App: For reading books from your nook library!
Battery Monitor Widget: Allows you to closely monitor your battery as well as see if your battery is drawing more power than the charger is inputting.
Swype Beta keyboard: A very fast keyboard that allows you to swipe between letters to input words. Also, free! Google it, it's not on the app store yet since its still in beta. The website will give you instructions on how to download. What I'm using right now to type this post!
HD widgets: Very nice aesthetically pleasing widgets that tell time, weather, etc.
That's all I can think of now but I might add more later.
Best of luck,
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Hey! All!
Leapinlar, I'm a bit north of Kissee Mills, I'm northwest of Durbin, south of H highway in Wright county. I was born in St. Louis, but mostly raised in northern Missouri and southern Iowa. My father worked as a supervisor for the railroad and we moved quite a bit for his work. I bought my property here back in 1961. It was somewhat isolated and had been clear cut by loggers and was pretty barren. I spent 6 years replanting and cleaning it up and put in a small dam on my creek for a pond. Built my home, garage, barn, tool shed, and workshop from 63 to 69. This became our permanent residence in 65. We raised 3 boys and 2 girls here and spend a happy 46 years living here until my wife passed. Will probably move to the city when I hit 80 or so, starting to get a bit difficult takin care of the place.
irisclara and Hephaestus - Thanks for the suggestions, I will give them a try.
GPB... any time you need any help... shoot me a pm and I'll fire you my cell #
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Hey! All!
Leapinlar, I'm a bit north of Kissee Mills, I'm northwest of Durbin, south of H highway in Wright county. I was born in St. Louis, but mostly raised in northern Missouri and southern Iowa. My father worked as a supervisor for the railroad and we moved quite a bit for his work. I bought my property here back in 1961. It was somewhat isolated and had been clear cut by loggers and was pretty barren. I spent 6 years replanting and cleaning it up and put in a small dam on my creek for a pond. Built my home, garage, barn, tool shed, and workshop from 63 to 69. This became our permanent residence in 65. We raised 3 boys and 2 girls here and spend a happy 46 years living here until my wife passed. Will probably move to the city when I hit 80 or so, starting to get a bit difficult takin care of the place.
irisclara and Hephaestus - Thanks for the suggestions, I will give them a try.
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This place sounds very very familiar...... you wouldn't happen to have a dome shaped house would you?
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This place sounds very very familiar...... you wouldn't happen to have a dome shaped house would you?
Nope! Just an ordinary two story farm house. It does have a wrap around front porch though and a big screened back porch. I was a regular reader of Mother Earth News back in the 70s and early 80s, guess that would make me a hippie in your reasoning. I just liked the neat projects and ideas they always had in it. Built a "Hobbit" house back in "76" for the kids and as a place for guests during hunting season. It was domed shaped but it was earth sheltered instead of out on the open; just an experiment to see if I could do it and make it work. Also built my wife a little "elf" cabin in 1987 I suspended on two - inch and a half cables over a stream that runs from a spring on the farm. It was a get away place where she could relax and write her poetry and paint.She was an extremely good artist really, especially for a farm girl with no proper training. She sold quite a few paintings at art events around Missouri, Kansas, and Arkansas.Put quite a bit of money into her savings for the kids schooling. I was, I am really proud of her. I built the cabin for her after her first bout with cancer. A heavy wind storm last summer blew an old Ash tree down on it, and crushed the cabin, but the support cables still held even after 24 years.
Well, l need to stop about this, not the place for it. This is about hacking Nooks and makin them work. Sorry to get off track folks.
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Back on the correct subject
DizzyDen, Thank you for your offer. May have to take you up on it some time. I'm really trying hard to muddle through this and learn it. Keeps the old brain workin and I enjoy lickin a problem. Hardest part is finding out what folks are talking about sometimes with caches and such. I kinda like to know what something does and why it does it before I mess it up.
I do have another question about power usage. I've noticed that I can power down the Nook after using it and I'm assuming that it should be totally off, but I've noticed that the battery can read half full when I shut down but later ( 8 or 10 hours) when I try to turn it back on it will be dead. I then have to recharge it to use it again. I understand or maybe misunderstand that the battery will only take so many charge cycles and I dont want to run through those cycles willy nilly since the battery isn't user replaceable and it would leave my Nook a paper weight. How do I find out what is using the power when the Nook is supposedly off? I've done some searching through settings and don't see or I'm missing seeing the setting I need to stop this.
Also how do I shut down the Sonar in Dolphin? It's a royal pain and I don't want to install google voice. Hepheastus_ said it could be disabled but I don't see a setting to do so. Being old as dirt and half blind I'm probably not seeing the setting.
GPB... one thing to note... just pressing the power button only shuts the screen down... to truly power it off... hold the power button in for several seconds... you can select power off from the menu that comes up... or simply keep holding it in and the nook will truly power off.
Can't help with the dolphin sonar question... haven't used dolphin in a while... but can re-install it if you don't get it figured out.
DizzyDen, I shut the Nook all the way down with the menu. I put a full charge on it last night and shut it all the way down at 10 pm. I turned it on this morning at 7 am and checked the battery icon and it shows about 2/3 discharged. Don't know what would be causing the battery drain or if the battery drain is only in Cyanogenmod. I am going to pull the SD card out, charge the battery up and then shut it down in the regular Nook andriod. I will let it set for 9 hours and then check it to see if the battery is down. This way I figure I will find out if it is a general problem with my Nook or if it is Cyanogenmod generated.
I'm feeling a bit foolish at the moment. I just discovered that the Q & A forum wasn't the only one with folks asking questions about the Nook. There are a couple of others that I completely bypassed. The old brain sure has been asleep on that.
I don't know how some of this stuff happens. A couple of months ago a user was complaining that even though he completely powered everything off via the menu and the charging cable was disconnected, it would wake itself up in the middle of the night. I would not think that was possible, but he swore it was happening. Maybe there is some circuit inside the nook that stays on even though it is supposed to be off. I don't know how one tests for that.
GB, experiment for us. Instead of shutting down with the menu, hard power off and see if that makes a difference. Hard powering off is holding the power button for a long time until the screen goes black.
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krylon360 said:
This place sounds very very familiar...... you wouldn't happen to have a dome shaped house would you?
Nope! Just an ordinary two story farm house. It does have a wrap around front porch though and a big screened back porch. I was a regular reader of Mother Earth News back in the 70s and early 80s, guess that would make me a hippie in your reasoning. I just liked the neat projects and ideas they always had in it. Built a "Hobbit" house back in "76" for the kids and as a place for guests during hunting season. It was domed shaped but it was earth sheltered instead of out on the open; just an experiment to see if I could do it and make it work. Also built my wife a little "elf" cabin in 1987 I suspended on two - inch and a half cables over a stream that runs from a spring on the farm. It was a get away place where she could relax and write her poetry and paint.She was an extremely good artist really, especially for a farm girl with no proper training. She sold quite a few paintings at art events around Missouri, Kansas, and Arkansas.Put quite a bit of money into her savings for the kids schooling. I was, I am really proud of her. I built the cabin for her after her first bout with cancer. A heavy wind storm last summer blew an old Ash tree down on it, and crushed the cabin, but the support cables still held even after 24 years.
Well, l need to stop about this, not the place for it. This is about hacking Nooks and makin them work. Sorry to get off track folks.
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Dont be sorry, this is one of the coolest things I've read in a while.
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Leapinlar,
I will do the hard power off when I get back home this evening. I'm in Springfield at the moment,had to take a some produce and goats milk to some customers that buy from me. Got to make a living even if it aint much.
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I do have another question about power usage. I've noticed that I can power down the Nook after using it and I'm assuming that it should be totally off, but I've noticed that the battery can read half full when I shut down but later ( 8 or 10 hours) when I try to turn it back on it will be dead. I then have to recharge it to use it again. I understand or maybe misunderstand that the battery will only take so many charge cycles and I dont want to run through those cycles willy nilly since the battery isn't user replaceable and it would leave my Nook a paper weight. How do I find out what is using the power when the Nook is supposedly off? I've done some searching through settings and don't see or I'm missing seeing the setting I need to stop this.
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As both an suggestion to your OP #3 question and the power use issue, I found that it's pretty easy to get confused as to whether the Nook has entered "deep sleep", i.e. you press the power button and the screen animates into a single white line and goes black, or it actually shuts down. I use these apps to both preserve the mechanical integrity of the hardware button and to make sure I get what I want.
Quick Shutdown (Just shuts down)
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Quick Boot (Gives you configurable shutdown/reboot options).
leapinlar,
I charged up the Nook to make sure the battery had a full charge. I powered up Cyanogen and gave it a bit for everything to settle down, I then did a hard shutdown as you said. I powered on the Nook this morning after letting it sit for 10 hours and it still has a full charge on the battery. Does this indicate something isn't turning off or all of the way off during a normal shutdown?
GB, for some reason your software is not really turning it off. I recommend getting one of those software apps like the ones shumash recommended above. I personally use Nook Color Power Button Donate by Otis. There is a free version, but it only puts it to sleep. The donate version (I think it was 99¢) lets you configure several things, including making full power off the default. Like shumash said, it saves wear and tear on your physical button and works very quickly with one tap. And it was made specifically for the Color.
Another thing, something is running in the background while it is sleeping. I suspect it is you leaving the wifi on during sleep. Most people don't need that. Go to settings, wireless, wifi settings, then hit menu for advanced. There is a setting to configure how wifi behaves with sleep. Set it to 'when screen turns off'. This makes wifi sleep when the rest of the system is sleeping. That should reduce battery consumption when sleeping.
Will give the wireless setting a try tonight. I'm probably going to have to put my Nook up for a bit. Summer veggies are ready for harvest and I'm getting a mite behind. Thank you all for your help.
Haven't had a chance to try anything else with the Nook; my almost 15 year old ( in Oct. ) grandson has sort of hijacked my Nook. He's down here to help me for a bit and the second the work is done and he's cleaned up he grabs the Nook and is on Angry Birds. Guess grandpa's not as interesting and fun as he once was. May trade some produce and meat for a Nook Tablet for him so I can get my Nook Color back.:laugh:
Is there an age limit for members here on the forum? My grandson has been reading the forum and has become somewhat attached to my Nook. He's already made his own Cyanomod 7 SD card and is using it in the Nook. He makes it do more wiz bang things than I was able. He's almost 15 and pretty doggone smart and has questions about CM7. Can he post them here with an account of his own? He's going to be heading back home to Colorado soon and looks like he will have the Nook with him.