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Newbie: It all got so complicated, so quickly

If you'd be so kind, just to clarify the following.
I've got an Orbit II, with Copilot. Yes it does feel as if one is part of a club, but there's the topset and the thick kids... I'm the latter.
As I understand it, the Hard SPL unlocks the phone, from it being tied to a mobile network, right?
The O2 II isn't locked so then I don't need it, yes?
Therefore, I can either install all the tweaks and tips thus keeping Copilot, or put another ROM, (is this a type of disk image?), with all the tweaks and tips built in, on it.
In which case I'd lose CoPilot, for I'd have written over the device and voided the warranty, to boot, right?
What actually is the difference between a ROM and all the 'tweaks and tips'.
Is it because if you need to Hard SPL (ie unlock a phone from the network), then you don't have any built in functions left, so you couldn't install the Tweaks and Tips, which would in effect bring all the same advantages.
Look, I know Bebe has managed to do a version of WM6.1 which features threaded SMS and everthing, but I'm still not quite with it, I'm afraid.
The wiki entry for "What is a Hard SPL", just says it's one way of not trashing your phone. Not trashing your phone before you attempt what though?
For I've seen mention of the SIM/CID unlocker as if it's a separate entity, indicating they are two distinct things, created for two different tasks.
I like the idea of the phone looking funkier and working better (God knows what the AMMD is for the Video, but I know there are issues with the video, so having that sounds like a good idea as well. Right?)
Whatever it all is, it sounds like it's been a mammoth job/labour of love and has involved the purchase of two new Polaris phones, but beyond that, I'm all at sea.
(Dons bullet proof vest and climbs into protective Pope Mobile)

I think the fact you are asking all these questions juxtaposes that you should not flash your ROM. I myself am in your class and just look on with admiration. With that said, there are many things that you can do to your phone to "spice" things up. I have bought a couple of programs, Astronavigator II, (tells you what the sky at night is above you, My Girlfriend loves it), Fun contact, much more finger friendly than wm6. I also have PZP program. It automatically sets my phone to do things at certain times of the day, i.e at night it switches off, emails and phone calls then do not wake me and GF up, much to her relief! So there you have it, oh btw I have tomtom as have the TC.
The phone works quickly, efficiently and never have to soft reset. 5 years of using WM devices, I have found that idiots like me should just live and let be and use the phone as it is.
This should anser none and all of your questions
Kind Regards,
Will

unfortunately you have discovered HTC
Hey,
I hear ya. I am fat boy too. lol
I can't keep up and these forums use a form o speak, and implications that are not clear. I have no idea of why one of the cubes is called a bunch of letters for instance. unfortunately, we want our phones up to date, and the fastest they can be. But it is not that simple. I agree, I am lost on the spl thing and the sim, but then ??? it is not that clear to me.
Here is how I understand it. It may not be right, but it is an analogy that seems to work. A soft reset is reboot, a hard reset in a wipe/reinstall. As I understand it, the rom is the basic operating system, meaning when you hard reset, that is what loads into memory. Once it is loaded, it can be soft reset ie rebooted without harm. The rom is kept on the device, so when you hard reset, it can reload/reinstall itself without needing to be connected to anything. Disk Image? I guess. If your original rom, from the manufacturer installs copilot with a hard reset, then you will keep copilot. When they cook a rom, they change those installation files permanently. They adjust things, and remove things. they alter hardware drivers per say ie the radio patches you get. If Copilot is not in the cooked rom, then you would lose Copilot. You would need to buy it or download it and install it yourselft. You would have to use a restore disc, hooked to a computer and mobile center, to overwrite a cooked rom back to the original rom in this cases wm6. ROMS are much more of a big deal, as there are bugs and some things don't work as expected. They are faster tho, imho. Tips and tweaks are just that, certain replacements and other alterations. I woul think most tweaks I have seen generally do stay with the device thru soft resets, some don't if you have to hard reset. I keep my tweaks and settings/programs on the storage card incase I have to hard reset. Hope that helps, it may not be correct, but it works for me as a basic understanding level. There is a way to chose what you install as the rom (ie operating system permanently on the phone for hard resets), and i think the term they use is the kitchen. Using the kitchen, you chose this piece of a rom, and that one, etc....all that goes to the permanent part where a hard reset tell it what to read and install. I am not too clear on that one myself. I find using a kitchen fightening and wrought with risk at bricking.
Will has summed it up pretty well.
We buy these phones for what they can do, and they are just not supported by manufacturing like they should be. Our expectations are flavored by the continual upgrades from things like MS and windows upgrades fixing and patching things. I have had two pda (one previous phone). Either manufacturer was the same, limited upgrades and basically no further development on the devices.
It was a harrowing experience to upgrade my phone/pda to wm6 out of fear of bricking it. My phone came with wm2003. Bricking if you don't know, is leaving your device in an usable state...it is caught in limbo somewhere, and will not work.
Advice, wait a while, keep reading. Since things are hard to understand, keep reading and don't be in a hurry. Eventually someone will ask a question, in one forum or another, that inadvertanly answers one of yours. Check out the hacking forums, nice tweaks in there. And yes, they kinda of leave out steps. Keep Pocket Controller, it lets you tweak the registry, and see your device on your desktop. Even MS was impressed, troubleshooting a bluetooth issue. MS loved they could control the pda themselves using remote desktop. MS sent the name of that progie up the chain of command. They loved it. You can screen shot and all sorts of things. It come in handy trying to explain things. Once you feel you can risk losing the phone/device, then consider upgrading to new rom and try some of the tricks/tweaks. I know I don't want to waste 700.00 or more dollars to brick something. I think most of the time, they can get the bricked phone back, but not 100% certain of that. I study the reset and etc procedures and print them out, before I muck with the rom. I consider what I do to the phone very carefully. I was so scared I would ruin my phone.
And the other thing i say, is if you tell people you are a noob at this stuff and have a hard time understanding, they generally won't flame you too hard. Really. Just explain yourself, and give your disclaimer, and they won't be too hard on you. As you have seen, they may not fully explain things as clearly as you like, due think that is just the nature of the people and the way they think, not a personal attack or lack of anything, but they won't be rude.
As you said, this forum is run by the topset, and we are thick ones. They do astounding work and some of us just look up at them and admire. But they will help you. Keep reading, and keep trying to understand, it gets better with time. And don't be in hurry either. I see two post already of people bricking their devices already. And one guy seriously bricked his to the point of no return it seems.

ukdutypaid said:
Therefore, I can either install all the tweaks and tips thus keeping Copilot, or put another ROM, (is this a type of disk image?), with all the tweaks and tips built in, on it.
In which case I'd lose CoPilot, for I'd have written over the device and voided the warranty, to boot, right?
For I've seen mention of the SIM/CID unlocker as if it's a separate entity, indicating they are two distinct things, created for two different tasks.
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As I understand it (and I've loaded HardSPL + a modified ROM on my Polaris), the SIM/CID unlocker is for those devices that were purchased from a telco and therefore locked to that company (pernicious behaviour, btw, but they offer low purchase prices to tie customers in). If your device was unlocked at purchase, then this issue doesn't bother you.
The HardSPL load is designed to prevent you bricking your device with a crook modified ROM - this obviously pre-supposes that you will load modified ROM's. If you want to do this (ie. try modified ROM's), then loading HardSPL 1st is a no-brainer.
Why would you want to load a modified ROM ? The short answer is that the marketing depts of the manufacturers load the devices with all sorts of fluffy software crap. They do this in the released ROM. So to remove this junk - and have the device fast, responsive and with enough room left to do what you want - the gurus here modify these ROM's. [Of course, some people like the fluff]. The manufacturers also occasionally release ROM upgrades, but development is done mostly in forums like this.
CoPilot 7 ? Yes, flashing a new ROM will kill this, because the DeviceID changes when a new ROM is loaded. But if you visit the CoPilot website before loading a new ROM, you can deactivate your current license and then reactivate it after installing on a "new" device. In fact, CoPilot is one of the few commercial apps to cater for ROM upgrades with honour. CoPilot doesn't care how many devices you install on, just that only one at a time is actually capable of running.

Here are your acronyms to understand what they are doing and talking about. This may not be right, but alot of this came from the Hermes. It seems someone was looking to run linux on his hermes i think. I am still kind of digesting this information now. Remember I told you look around?
Here are your definitions to help you understand.
AKU - Adaptation Kit Update: they usually patch up existing bugs and enable several new features. Each newly released AKU pack retains fixes found in previous versions of AKU
CID lock (aka vendor lock): put on your device by the manufacturer to prevent installation of a ROM not released by them. CID is a vender lock, the post above talks about that. It is placed on you phone to deliberately prevent you from changing the rom. It is vender specific it seems. I assume the Super CID tells the device to ignore that lock or overwrite the vender lock all together, or it might just tell it to ignore the error code. That is what I am seeing. This seems basically related to full administrator priviledges account for the device. it seems the CID was located on a secure area on the radio. People had bad flashing to the radio upgrade and corrupted their CiD essentially bricking some of their phones.
RIL - Radio Interface Layer.
RUU - ROM Upgrade Utility: Its the s/w used on your PC to do a ROM upgrade for your PPC. I assume this can be the default utlity or a kitchen program. The default you can find pictures of, it is generic and just tell you are flashing. The kitchen program, i canceled once, had options to choose.
IPL - Initial Program Loader: Its the bootloader for PPC. It boots up SPL. Bootloader. Basic operations.
SPL - Secondary Program Loader: By inferenece only? Hard SPL then stands for a forced control over the secondary Program layer. You can make it load something else when it boots. It seems the newer factory SLP would want to reference the CID or only properly signed files, thus limiting what you could actually do with your phones.
WWE Edition - World Wide English Edition
XIP - Execute-in-Place
It seems while trying to unlock the Hermes, they were using a radio upgrade and somehow got this Super CID. See above about CID. So it seems there was a reverse engineer done with a legitmate unlocker program. This unlocker program was installing certifcates and changing the device to a lower bootloader it seems. That bootloader ignored the CID or converted it to full priviledges. they also figured out, some bad flashing can be undone....the CID was stored in a secure area on the radio. A bad radio flash corrupted part of the CID. Once they converted to a different bootloader, they could reflash radios...thus unbrick some phones. They have replaced the bootloader with this Hard SLP. The new SLP converts or tells the phone to ignore the CID when upgrading a ROM or other things. It appears HSPL v1.13 also keeps track of bad blocks of memory. That version also reflashes bad blocks or corrupted files with fresh versions as well. It also respecs completely bad blocks, i am thinking that means, the os is not allowed to write there. The you can reflash anything to the device. Or so it seems. But again, depending on how bad you muck up your phone, some things are not repairable.
That is what I am seeing right now. Still reading. It is all out there. Just google the terms above, and slowly you will find the threads and start piecing it together.
Seems this Hard SLP is important for ROM ugrades. Still reading about it. I am post like 500, out of 1000, and trying to keep track of it is difficult. Lots of interjections of what people did wrong. Very confusing.
I did tell you read, read read, and you will find the answers to your questions, it just takes awhile and it hard to understand becuase of the lingo.

v nice. u guys need to read som basic stuffs. it will help u, & u don't have to worry about u,r phone. u can upgrade, u can change things with full confidence. xda-developers have wiki pages, i think it will help much. keep readingggggggg. soru 4 my english

You won't lose your copilot if you use the original HTC ROM....I put the original HTC ROM (which is much better than the O2 ROM)...added a few standard registry tweaks..runs NICE..reinstalled Copilot7 (from the 2577 folder on the SD card) reactivated it..(did not need to deactivate it) and everything is fine. If you need to got back to the original ROM for whatever reason...reflash it and then flash with originalSPL file.
You can reactivate copilot as many times as you like (the only thing I do before reflashing...mor as a precautionary measure...is backup the SD card)
If you use a cooked ROM ..then I think you have to deactivate Copilot and reactivate it on the new install.....but I'm sure the experts will know better.

pistonripper said:
If you use a cooked ROM ..then I think you have to deactivate Copilot and reactivate it on the new install.....but I'm sure the experts will know better.
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Agreed - I've had to do that a number of times, from both modified ROM changes and device changes, but it's easy and painless.

Thanks for the indulgence...
People, I'd like to thank you for taking the time and trouble to provide your very useful responses. One does read of course and things like lego bricks begin to click into place. I don't even have a car, so quite why I'm so obsessed with CoPilot, I don't know. Okay I giggle when listening to one of the ladies (through headphones), on the bus, but other than that.. lol.
I didn't know you could actually download CoPilot from the site though, I'll check that out. I've 'funked it up' a bit using the HTC Home cab and Slideunlock. Tempted to play with one of the Cube .cabs...(The one it comes with is pretty rubbish if you can't change what the cubes link to and the icons)
Yes, Yes I'll search for the original O2 rom, before I play anymore...
The actual HTC rom, sounds like a safe bet though, cos then you get the proper funky screen..
Don't want to clutter (anywhere actually) the hard core threads with stupido questions. I'll look, I'll read, I'll learn...
As one of you has said, these things aren't toys (lol) and I don't want to be left looking at a $700 £350 quid (non contract Orbit), that I can't use...
I think Bebe wm6.1 is going to stay undownloaded for the time being!
I'll leave the topset, to carry on.. Wouldn't mind getting rid of the "Streaming Media", program mind. Errr, it does/streams what exactly, anything at all?

X1 owner for 2 weeks

Ok so i've had the X1 for two weeks now and its a really good phone but there are somethings that are narking me off:
1. When am sending texts its freezes for a few seconds then its ok, this really is getting to me
2. How hard is it to take a photo?? when you get it up and running it takes ages to take the photo
3. Everything people keep saying to put on the phone always seems to be very buggy, and i've looked at the lists people say etc and just cant get happy with the stuff they say
Overall its ok, but losing confidence in it can anyone perk me up with some good honest tips, software etc???
Stu

No I cant perk you up, and would say the same.. the phone gives the impression that it was never quite completed... everything is there and it should be really good but its not quite right.
Having used WM phones for many years now (and always swearing never ever to buy one again) I kind of knew this before getting it. However I live in hope that one day WM phones will work properly, that everything will be nicely integrated etc. or is that just called an iPhone....
With the last HTC I had, I forget the model, I was only happy in the end when I made my own ROM with what I wanted in it. I guess its going to be the same with the X1, its just I am not sure I want to invest that much of my life to make a phone work anymore.

Or flash hardSPL and download and install one of the custom ROMs currently available in the ROMs section. I recommend Touch-IT.

well i did the rom 10?? is that right, seemed quicker but like its been said just feels like something is missing.
the keyboard is pee'ing me off too (onscreen one) as with this freezing sceanrio i keep misstyping things

After I installed the latest rom (R2xxxxxx), my Xperia is much snappier and doesn't freeze as much. I had TONS of problems with the Touch Flo 3D, so that may be something not to re-install after you carefully flash your rom. Congratulations on the new phone! And, sorry too hehe...

How did you install the new rom? Do they finally have it officially on the SE Updater? I tried downloading from the links in the topic but Rapidshare...just can't work for me.

Ya, you have to get it from the rapidshare link. I checked the mirrors and i don't see any links working. Steps: Get file. Run exe on your pc with Activesync running. Follow instructions. You'll see a progress bar on both pc and X1 when working right. The forum RECOMMENDS you use Hard-SPL so you don't brick your phone, but i didn't. TIP: Match the file type with yours. Mine was GENERIC_NAM and had a Customization ID of (CDF) 1219-1224. Match those two and you should be good. Of course i take no responsibility yada yada, just telling you what i did with mine. Good luck

Sorry for Cryin out loud but need your help guys

Hello Guys,
I am from india and I got the HD2 few months back, well to sum up the experience, I have had with the device would be “love and hate” kind of. There are times when I am simple awe stuck by the awesomeness of the device and yet there are times when she acts like a complete ***** freezes for no particular reason. It got so frustrating at times that I even contemplated on selling it off but some thing always stopped me .I would like to thank all the wonderful developers out here who have come up with such amazing apps that at least has made my device usable to a great extend. I THANK YOU ALL from the bottom of my heart.
I am on my official ROM with which the device came shipped with and the version being 1.43 and it’s quite ironical that we haven’t had a single ROM update ever since it has been launched in our country. Any way to cut the whole story short I would humbly request you guys to please look in to my queries:-
1)I am a newbie in to windows OS, so the utter thought of flashing the device kind of scares me off cause I have heard that if not done properly it can brick the device ,But lately I am willing to take that risk only if the cooked rom can solve these 2 grave issues of mine.
a) the screen acts like a lunatic on the run .ghost presses ,hyper sensitivity etc the screen sensitivity tweak did help me a lot but still I am not 100% confident while typing ,So my question is does any of the cooked ROM takes care of this ? and if yes kindly let me the name of it.(this is one issue which I really cant get over)
b) The phone freezes for no particular reason at all , It just stops responding of its own .does the cooked ROM would take care of this as well?
2)Do the official ROM’s address the issues that I have mentioned above from what I know that HK got a new ROM update with the version being 1.72 (Sorry if I am wrong),So in 200 million years I would get to get the official ROM in my country as well and If I am not a prehistoric fossil by then I would rather wait for the it to come as its rather a safe bet for a newbie like me .So any ideas guys as to if the HTC official ROMS take care of these issues .
3)The erratic nature of the screen is it a generic problem ? I can not replace my device in the pretext of this behavior if this is a problem specific to my device, because we have no replacement policies out here. So can a ROM update (cooked or Official ) get rid of this completely .
So guys please do let me know the name of the roms both cooked and official which can help me get rid of these issues.
Cheers .

Flashing the phone is extremely straightforward and easy to do.
If you can follow instructions, you can do it.
I've HSPL'd 3 devices and haven't bricked any of them.
Once you've HSPL'd it's highly unlikely that anything else (within reason) you do will brick the device.
You may render your device temporarily unuseable, but the fact that HSPL allows you to flash without a USB connection off the microSD (!) means that it's nearly impossible to brick a successfully HSPL'd phone.

my suggestion is to dare for a custom rom. study very carefully the tutorials in the rom development forum and you'll be fine, it's not rocket science.
however, to avoid any issues, please remember to always clean your device between two custom flashes by any of the 3 methods:
- flash stock rom + hard reset
- mtty
- task 29
i've always used the 1st method without any issues. it's more time consuming then the others but i've got used to it.
about which rom, this is a matter of preference, there is no best rom for everybody.
you can see which is my favorite under my signature. it's very fast and stable and very close to stock.
i will end by saying that i had many issues in the first couple of month after buying this phone but now it works like a charm, i love it!
oh, and i'm never gonna go back to stock... ever.
cheers and good luck,
antaed

antaed said:
my suggestion is to dare for a custom rom. study very carefully the tutorials in the rom development forum and you'll be fine, it's not rocket science.
however, to avoid any issues, please remember to always clean your device between two custom flashes by any of the 3 methods:
- flash stock rom + hard reset
- mtty
- task 29
i've always used the 1st method without any issues. it's more time consuming then the others but i've got used to it.
about which rom, this is a matter of preference, there is no best rom for everybody.
you can see which is my favorite under my signature. it's very fast and stable and very close to stock.
i will end by saying that i had many issues in the first couple of month after buying this phone but now it works like a charm, i love it!
oh, and i'm never gonna go back to stock... ever.
cheers and good luck,
antaed
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Mate did you have problems with the screen as well? If yes then did the ROM that you are suggesting took care of them all?
Cheers.

i'm not sure if this is what you mean but i remember it acting strange at some point, after continuous use for 2-3 weeks with the original stock onboard and especially in opera. for example, streams of small vibrations but no movement while trying to scroll or zoom pages.
i've never experienced anything like that since but i have to admit that i flash a new rom every second week or so. i always want to try the latest release, it's very addictive .

hey chakraa...
I have had similar probs...and did HSPL on my HD2 and have been satisfied, and have tried 30 different roms so far.... if you are looking for suggestions i would say "ROMeOS" makes some good roms... his latest 4.07 is good....suggest you try it.... after you do the HSPL your HD2.

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hey chakraa...
I have had similar probs...and did HSPL on my HD2 and have been satisfied, and have tried 30 different roms so far.... if you are looking for suggestions i would say "ROMeOS" makes some good roms... his latest 4.07 is good....suggest you try it.... after you do the HSPL your HD2.
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Hey Bro ,Thanks a lot , I am finally mustering courage to go for THE big step(lol I am sounding as if I am about to get married or something), I would surely look in to the ROM which you have suggested,Would let you know about the outcome.

Finally did it.
Hey Guys,
Thanks a lot for your help I finally did flash the ROM all seems to be working fine now.
@CHALLU thanks buddy in the end I installed the rom suggested by you,seems quite stable as of now.Never been a big fan of SENSE so got SPB back ,the key board works like charm and some how I am getting this uncanny feeling that the battery life has improved as well.Do suggest me some other ROMS as well which would improve battery life ,take care of the screen sensitivity and enhance the over all stability.

Need software help!!

Ok since I upgraded to the 2.1 myphone has been having major problems almost to the point where I cant use it anymore. I have done a factory reset 3 times and still hasnt fixed the problems. I did do the upgrade over the air, what I need to know is, is there anyway I can downgrade back to the 1.5 or manually re upload the 2.1 version to see if it fixes my problems. Thank you.

what is exactly wrong with your phone that is making it unusable?

There is no current way to downgrade 2.1 to 1.5, even with OTA update, unless you would like to flash the root image, then downgrade back to regular 1.5... Also we may be able to better assist you if you explain the issues you are having with your phone a little better.

The issues I am having are text app force closes all the time, mostly when the phone itself is charging. I dont receive texts a lot, I have to *228 frequently through out the day. When I am at the homescreen the pages will slide all the way to the left and stay there the only way I can get back to anywhere is to either do a soft reset or long press the home key to go to another app. The biggest problem though is the texting and like i said it mostly just happens when the phone is charging. But the keyboard will seriously lag, force close...the cursor jumps to the begining of whatever i am saying or just randomly go to the left and mix all my words up.

have you installed any apps or do you use any widgets? are you using the sense home launcher?

i have not installed any apps since the 3rd time i did the factory reset, and i have no idea about the other question.

It sounds to me like there was some corruption with your OTA update. I would venture to say that you have two options here:
1. Take your Eris into Verizon and have them replace it.
or
2. Root your Eris and enjoy the many available roms here.
*Standard disclaimer: I am not responsible for what you do to your device, it is your choice to do whatever you please...*

why don't you just go into the verizon wieless store and tell them what is happening and they will give you a replacement. i had slight wifi issues so i went there and they gave me a new phone on the dot! they might make you do some factory resets and such there also

yeah thats what i think too..but since i did the over the air update to the 2.1 i didnt think I could do any roots or whatever. I am not that knowledgable when it comes to the roots or any of that. I would like to do that so I can fix my phone and actually use it. Can you please provide me with step by step instructions on how to do that.

ok i am not responsible for this but here is the link to the instructions:http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-eris/53963-guide-stock-1-5-latest-root-2-1-a.html
also this will void your warranty so you can't get a free replacement from verizon after you root
update: these are instructions for windows if you search around you can find instructions for linux and mac (i rooted on a mac so if you need help PM me and i will respond when i can (i am not an expert))

ok so once i dothe root or whatever will my contacts still sync with google?? I cant get a replacement phone anyhow because I bought this phone from a private owner, but I did not have problems with it until right after I did the upgrade a few weeks after I bought the phone.

naenaek22 said:
yeah thats what i think too..but since i did the over the air update to the 2.1 i didnt think I could do any roots or whatever. I am not that knowledgable when it comes to the roots or any of that. I would like to do that so I can fix my phone and actually use it. Can you please provide me with step by step instructions on how to do that.
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Here is a link to a thread that will take you through the root process. These guys, ECLIPS3 and Jamezelle, know their stuff! They even made an app to do the hard part.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=661413

naenaek22 said:
ok so once i dothe root or whatever will my contacts still sync with google?? I cant get a replacement phone anyhow because I bought this phone from a private owner, but I did not have problems with it until right after I did the upgrade a few weeks after I bought the phone.
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Yes, you can still sync with Google. (Did someone say g00gl3?) Lolz
Anyhow, just do some research as you choose which rom to load. Every rom has it's own features and charateristics. Also, make sure to create Nandroid backups whenever flashing from rom to rom just in case of issues. Good luck!

ok since i am very illiterate about the whole rom thing and all that..can you please in your opionion tell me which way to go?? I wont hold anything against you I just want to be able to use my freakin phone. I dont really care about the techy stuff as long as i can use the apps and text and make calls I am good. I looked at the link you provided "google" lol..and i am not sure quite how to do it. I know i am being a big pain right now I just dont want to mess my phone up.

actually the jumpy screen while charging thing is pretty common I believe its a hardware issue though...its my belief the mini usb connecter on the eris is shoddy
plug in the charger and wiggle it you may notice the connetor is not properly fastened to the phone
fyi DO NOT hold the phone up or horizontial by the usb plug...my wife did that to both our phones and ever since then it will flake out
a quick fix would be to plug in wiggle it and unplug you want the mini usb connector back in alignment

naenaek22 said:
ok since i am very illiterate about the whole rom thing and all that..can you please in your opionion tell me which way to go?? I wont hold anything against you I just want to be able to use my freakin phone. I dont really care about the techy stuff as long as i can use the apps and text and make calls I am good. I looked at the link you provided "google" lol..and i am not sure quite how to do it. I know i am being a big pain right now I just dont want to mess my phone up.
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No worries - everyone is hesitant at first - no one wants to brick their phone...
What kind of computer do you use; Windows, Mac, or Linux? This is important for following the root procedure.
I still believe the EMA app that I linked is your best bet. It handles the tough command line tasks for you.
As for a rom, you can see by my signature that I prefer Sense-able 3.1 from Jamezelle. But I also really like Evil Eris 2.0.1 by Framework43.
I would probably suggest Sense-able 3.1 for you because it is based on an Eris build. I have found it to be very stable and doesn't really need any tweaks to run well.
*Just wanted to note that I am in no way knocking any other roms or devs on these boards. Thank you to all the talented devs out there for all the work you do!!!*

i downloaded the sensible rom..as far as the app goes how do I go about getting that or whatever?? I am running windows..but the sensible rom file is downloaded to my desk top i havent done anything with it yet beings that I dont have a clue as to what I am doing lol..

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ok since i am very illiterate about the whole rom thing and all that..can you please in your opionion tell me which way to go?? I wont hold anything against you I just want to be able to use my freakin phone. I dont really care about the techy stuff as long as i can use the apps and text and make calls I am good. I looked at the link you provided "google" lol..and i am not sure quite how to do it. I know i am being a big pain right now I just dont want to mess my phone up.
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use the app that jamezelle and i made. its super simple. were always on the irc server if you need help. chat.andirc.net

i am working on downloading it now, i am downloading the net 4 thing ..but i am going into this blind..

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i am working on downloading it now, i am downloading the net 4 thing ..but i am going into this blind..
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Just download the EMA app and use it. The thread has instructions to use it. Just read the part about pre-requisites to install the needed software. Then run EMA and follow the center column of 4 commands. Thats really all there is to it.
Like I said earlier, ECLIPS3 and Jamezelle do great work and are willing to provide help. As he said above...

[Q] Having a hard time removing WP7

hello all, first let me just say yeah im a noob and yeah i tried searching.
so like the rest of the world i hated win 6.5 more than anything. seriously. probably something like 1. hitler 2. win 6.5 3. snakes
finally i managed to install win 7, but however the battery is just way to short, some numbers wont be recognized, marketplace isnt open in my country, etc. frankly im ****ing tired of all of this. now i want to remove it and again try to install android on NAND. if not maybe just settle for win 6.5 i dont know.
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to clarify:
-basically ive searhed everywhere
-i have the offical rom and i want to install that
-i cant connect my phone to zune,
-so when i run the offical htc rom, it just says connect your phone

You need to either flash a stock ROM via sd card method or via bootloader (hold vol down key during power-on, then flash with normal exe from windows).

so, just to be clear,
you got a device with Win mobile on it which you seem to have a massive dislike for and wrongly make an assumption that everyone else doesnt like it, then in a hugely disrespectful manor you compare it to hitler, quite what you are thinking is anyones guess but it might be worth considering a change of manor is perhaps in need
Then attempted to install WP7 without fully reading everything.
Then try and install an original ROM without Fully reading everything
I think That about sums it up
So, in the intrest of sanity, go here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074233
read it all, and if you have an issue reply in that thread
Couple of pointers to help your days on XDA dev out, if there is a thead open on an issue use it, dont make a new one because it makes it harder for people who actually search for things to find what they are loooking for and its a pain for people who try an help because we are forever repeating ourselves
Secondly, when you make a tread it gave you a list of threads already out here with a similar name, if you didnt see anything relivent its because your use of title is pretty poor, Its windows phone 7 or WP7, Noob isnt a word most of us use
Thirdly, if you can not use the XDA search then use google, (i find it much more accurate) i just searched google using this string
XDA DEV LEO WP7 FLASH ORIGINAL
and the third one down took me straight to that thread above
XDA DEV is pretty obvious, LEO is the listed device name thats on this site WP7 is the OS then FLASH ORIGINAL is the subject matter im searching for
Keep it short, like bullet points, not a long story
So, head over there an folk will be happy to help you out, including myself
I hope i didnt sound rude and off hand, im simply nudging you in the right direction

Neo84 You need to either flash a stock ROM via sd card method or via bootloader (hold vol down key during power-on, then flash with normal exe from windows).
ok, thanks for you reply. sorry to ask but what is a stock ROM? is that like an official ROM from HTC?
also tried to hold down the volume key, get the coloured screen, but then cant do anything. where would one find the "normal exe"? thanks for your willingness to help out someone not as experienced as yourself
and dazza, my good man i do appreciate the nugde, but do find it a bit harsh.
you got a device with Win mobile on it which you seem to have a massive dislike for and wrongly make an assumption that everyone else doesnt like it,
-everyone i spoke to agrees, including the guy who sold it to me for almost nothing (bought for 1100 US 6 months before) because he hated it like no other
then in a hugely disrespectful manor you compare it to hitler, quite what you are thinking is anyones guess but it might be worth considering a change of manor is perhaps in need
-well irony doenst work online my bad, haha seriously noone in ther right mind would compare the 2 and/or accuse someone of doing so
Then attempted to install WP7 without fully reading everything.
-i did, it works almost perfectly, reading on these forums ive seen plenty of ppl having issues, so yeah its close to perfect, except the battery drain (which still works for a full day so i can charge at night)
ive searched google, xda and god knows what. and after trying all, my good old hd2 still wont connect maybe in the end its not worth the time and effort, just leave WP7 on there (it is in fact pretty sweet) and buy an offical android next time! however i do feel i have the right to be a bit angry. winmo 6.5 isnt worthy of selling for a high price in 2010.
anyways, thanks for your help, i will check out those links and see where it takes me just remember that not everyone is as experienced as yourself, a friendly heads up works wonders sometimes

I appologise, it was not supposed to come across rude, harsh is perhaps an accurate way of putting it, remember that some of us take a lot of time out of our lives to go over these things, infact some have even added entries in to the Wiki for just such issues (check leo wiki section) and im sure you can imagin that repeating yourself over and over can be quite frustrating!
I completely agree that a "heads up" is always needed, which is why ive nudged (perhaps with a prod or two ) you in the right direction, those few tips can save you a lot of hassle in the future, the google one especially as i know only too well that the XDA search is crap