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Finally,OTA update for wildfire :)

Our hard work is finally worth it. To day I e-mail to HTC about OTA update for wildfire to unlock bootloader, and this is their reply:
"Dear Nhan,
Thank you for contacting HTC.
With reference to your query, we are pleased to announce that we have heard everyone’s comments and constructive suggestions and have decided to go forward with this initiative.
However, we currently don’t have a schedule yet, but stay tuned; we will let you know via through our official website and official social media outlets.
We currently don’t have information regarding which phones will be unlocked. Please keep an eye on our official website and official social media outlets for announcements about which phones will be bootloader unlocked.
HTC
Sincerely,"
That means there will be OTA update for some existing locked phones,but ("We currently don’t have information regarding which phones will be unlocked"). However , It's a good new ,right? And wildfire is also one of their big budgets , so I think later or soon, there will be a OTA updates for wildfire to unlock bootloader.
Of course that's just my thought
Sorry for my thread's title, I can't change it in the "edit post"

This Threat sounds like "there is allready an update"...
but there is NO UPDATE!
Choose a correct Threat name next time...
Oh and "yeah nice, we all can clearly see that the Wildfire is getting an OTA Update to be unlocked... we all can clearly read it in the mail that you got from HTC".

No more useful than the Facebook post they issued!
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It does say thqt some existing devices will be unlocked
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Oops i read it wrong
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I'm sorry , I just so excited when they say that they "have decided to go forward with this initiative"...sorry . next time i won't bother you again

Well, that sounds like atleast some current phones will be unlocked. That means firstly the already released phones like sensation, desire s ... will be unlocked. That sounds to me that wildfire (if they wish to) takes a long time to get unlocked. Maybe 6months or an year. Because they have to increase the sales of their current devices which is done in 2 ways -----1) unlocking the newer devices faster. 2) keeping the older devices locked so that some older customers choose the newer devices.
Well, if they choose to unlock wildfire then i think it will be the last phone to get unlocked. Because it is the first phone that is hardly locked. Not to disappoint u guys, but just telling the facts.

bharatgaddameedi said:
Well, that sounds like atleast some current phones will be unlocked. That means firstly the already released phones like sensation, desire s ... will be unlocked. That sounds to me that wildfire (if they wish to) takes a long time to get unlocked. Maybe 6months or an year. Because they have to increase the sales of their current devices which is done in 2 ways -----1) unlocking the newer devices faster. 2) keeping the older devices locked so that some older customers choose the newer devices.
Well, if they choose to unlock wildfire then i think it will be the last phone to get unlocked. Because it is the first phone that is hardly locked. Not to disappoint u guys, but just telling the facts.
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Yes, and we need to boost up the progress by email them, held a campaign, begging them... what ever it takes

Yesterday I mailed HTC to ask whether or not the Wildfire will be unlocked as well. This is the answer I received:
"We currently don't have specific information which phones
will be unlocked, but it's a distinct possibility."

mtnhan1996 said:
Yes, and we need to boost up the progress by email them, held a campaign, begging them... what ever it takes
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Yes. It's needed I think.
Everyone became calm with the statement by HTC. I don't know how many are presently expecting them to unlock wildfire. I expected that the groubal will continue till devices are unlocked. But the groubal is static now. The signs are not at all moving.
It would have been nice if HTC atleast gave an official statement that they will atleast unlock the present unrootable devices.
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mtnhan1996 said:
I'm sorry , I just so excited when they say that they "have decided to go forward with this initiative"...sorry . next time i won't bother you again
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It's not about you not sharing / posting. I would just ask you to rephrase the title. I thought indeed that a new OTA is out already. Please try reading it again, you will see what I mean.

Yes, change the title of thread lol. U can change it from edit post.
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"However, we currently don’t have a schedule yet"
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I hate this word...

I agree, I thought the same about the title
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an admin should check from time to time this sub forum and delete the threads that are the same, again and again the same stuff... and the name of this thread should be changed also, fooling people for nothing.
i bet htc could have launched the ota update in that day, right after they announced they would unlock the bootloaders, they don't have hundreds of different devices, i believe less then 20 are with locked bootloaders..
and in the end, if it will be a ota update, we will see it in a few months, that's just business

3xeno said:
It's not about you not sharing / posting. I would just ask you to rephrase the title. I thought indeed that a new OTA is out already. Please try reading it again, you will see what I mean.
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thank you for not mad at me. next time I will carefully consider about the title. Thank you for notice me!

bharatgaddameedi said:
Yes. It's needed I think.
Everyone became calm with the statement by HTC. I don't know how many are presently expecting them to unlock wildfire. I expected that the groubal will continue till devices are unlocked. But the groubal is static now. The signs are not at all moving.
It would have been nice if HTC atleast gave an official statement that they will atleast unlock the present unrootable devices.
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That's mean we still not succeed yet, continue working brothers!

I think they should release an update only to people who want it.so people not intrested in rooting don't need to update and they still make money
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No More Rooting Our Little Friend...

Just a FYI, I was on the phone with one of my friend HTC engineers, long distance from outside the USA, which he gave me some good gossip about the G2.
*Take it for what is worth. I do admit this my not be new info to some.
1) There is a OTA update coming for the G2 which will DEFINITELY cause you to loose root, and A LOT OF WORK has gone into the update to prevent rooting. Matter of fact, my HTC friend tells me that the encryption algorithm will almost make it impossible to root. My opinion, nothing is impossible!
2) BTW, there IS MAJOR development in up coming new tech with 3D displays. My little 'rumor mill' friend informed me that he seen a Android live wallpaper in 3D fire that looks so realistic that when you tilt the device forward, the icons actually go through the flames.
3) He told me that when the G2 was originally released, it was purposely done to make it hard to root, and now with the Gingerbread OTA update just around the corner (he said it may happen in July) by the time IF anyone figures out how to root it, the phone will be completely outdated.
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So after weeks of saying they're unlocking bootloaders, opening sense to developers and changing their ways... You're saying your friend knows they're lying?

katiepea said:
So after weeks of saying they're unlocking bootloaders, opening sense to developers and changing their ways... You're saying your friend knows they're lying?
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I dunno, but its true that bootloaders and rooting are 2 separate things anyway. He's referencing rooting this latest stock GB rom, not unlocking bootloaders.
*edit-
It seems there is an 'official' leaked rom out there that is digitally signed by HTC and also T-Morgul (misspending is applied) that after flashed, perm-root has not yet been achieved. Now the great devs that stripped the GB rom (from the raw, has rooted it), so you can flash a rooted version, but hasn't yet rooted after flash.
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hard to believe.

I find when people are lying they add useless information like "a long distance phone call" and "out of usa."
Were this true imd expect somthing like "i was talking to a buddy of mine that works for htc. He heard they had some new encyption that will take forever to root!"
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I would say he is lying, but after spending some time in the irc its not looking so good. They even blocked the fail safe goldcard method for downgrading. I think this is bad news being one of the first to receive a 2.3 device back from them I have tried everything to help get this thing rooted hope there is a way to root it soon before all the devs leave for newer devices.

thugjedi said:
I would say he is lying, but after spending some time in the irc its not looking so good. They even blocked the fail safe goldcard method for downgrading. I think this is bad news being one of the first to receive a 2.3 device back from them I have tried everything to help get this thing rooted hope there is a way to root it soon before all the devs leave for newer devices.
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Hi !
We gonna see about that!
But just to put some things straight:
- The goldcard to downgrade method also needed temp-root to change the main version in the misc-partition.
- At the moment we do not have a working temp-rooting method for gingerbread (besides gingerbreak but this has been patched in our version)
- We are not working on a new temp-root very urgent but this will change
Comes time, comes root.
Have fun - Guhl

Where there's a will, there's a way,
i'm sure one developer will manage to find an exploit, some way or another.

No way.... Is there no way not to accept the ota update when it comes to our phones
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Even those running a custom rom?

well if you think about it, if GB update from htc has been in development for the past 6 months (with specific configurations for different phones). and during this development phase they're stance was to still lock rooting and bootloaders. it would be near impossible to get a release June/July with a different development path based on the statement by the CEO.
either they will push back the OTA update, or roll out and meet the deadlines with their current path and with other phones already getting updates the past few months. I would say they're rolling it out with just configuration testing and QA on our phones

Why not just do this...sell rooted devices and locked devices. Or just sell all devices rooted. Lets face it most people now with android phones have no clue what the os is capable of and buy it off of hype.
G2x with faux AOSP and faux orange kernel. [email protected] 5107 quadrant.

scottmahoney said:
Even those running a custom rom?
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I dont think they can just ota overwrite the custom rom. When you have a custom rom you dont receive the other ota updates why would you receive this one.

It's true or not, but: No root - not buying HTC phone.
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Dont worry anout the OTA you dont have to install it. Just dont break your current device and get a replacement.... Or pay to fix the one you got.
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Htc's bootloader unlocking plan

**UPDATE 8/3/2011**
Since our last update, many of you have asked how the bootloader unlocking process will actually work, and in particular why HTC's most recently released devices still have a locked bootloader. Rest assured we're making progress toward our goal to roll out the first software updates in August to support unlocking for the global HTC Sensation, followed soon by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. Because unlocking the bootloader provides extensive control over the device and modifications may cause operation, security and experience issues, new devices will continue to ship locked but will support user-initiated unlocking using a new Web-based tool.
So how will this work? The Web tool, which will launch this month, requires that you register an account with a valid e-mail address and accept legal disclaimers that unlocking may void all or parts of your warranty. Then plug in your phone to a computer with the Android SDK loaded to retrieve a device identifier token, which you can then enter into the Web tool to receive a unique unlock key via e-mail. Finally, apply the key to your device and unlocking will be initiated on your phone.
We're excited to bring bootloader unlocking to developers and enthusiasts, and we feel this new Web tool will meet your needs and continue to provide customers with the best experience. Thanks to the community for supporting these efforts!
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That's great and all but those phones are already unlockable. I wouldn't count on HTC doing anything for the EVO 4g.
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c-had2001 said:
That's great and all but those phones are already unlockable. I wouldn't count on HTC doing anything for the EVO 4g.
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Technicly not. I have an Droid Inc. Though my phone is unlocked it is not unlockable in the sense that its a simple command to unlock which is hence an unlocked bootloader. Most methods exploit a security loophole which is not a true unlock though it acheives unlock.
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I would rather just unlock and root my phone through this amazing site rather than going through all that sh!t and voiding my warranty. At least I can always revert back without them ever knowing it was unlocked if it needs repair!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1201270

c-had2001 said:
That's great and all but those phones are already unlockable. I wouldn't count on HTC doing anything for the EVO 4g.
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linuxmotion said:
Technicly not. I have an Droid Inc. Though my phone is unlocked it is not unlockable in the sense that its a simple command to unlock which is hence an unlocked bootloader. Most methods exploit a security loophole which is not a true unlock though it acheives unlock.
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I dunno, I guess HTC kinda made this lock for EVO 4G "too strong" that teams either still working on the problem or at this time they already gave up and moved forward the new phones.

HEY EVERYONE. HINT THE WEB BASED TOOL! if you can do it through an online website... then we all can unlock and root our phones right now! so who's going to figure it out?

AA27 said:
I dunno, I guess HTC kinda made this lock for EVO 4G "too strong" that teams either still working on the problem or at this time they already gave up and moved forward the new phones.
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Same thing was said about the 3vo bootloader being damn near impossible to crack, but they did it. It will happen soon, patience is a virtue.
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Hey HTC,..

You know you are the reason xda came to be. A massive community forged behind your products, and your old model of 'keeping things open'.
Xda has become a HUGE COMMUNITY.
you will become zero and lose your place in the US if dev HTC unlock continues to be the halfass joke that HTC made and that actually is more likely to screw HTC users. We need full unlock, then we can fix our own software, not rely on you.
I love HTC hardware, but I'm buying galaxy or something in about 10 days.
Please listen to our recovery builders and take into consideration the VALID points I KNOW they have brought to your attention. They know Android better than YOU, HTC.
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I agree completely. It is sad to have one of the only manufacturers outside of Google phones that offer an "unlockable" product, yet see so many struggling almost more than without unlock!
Looking a device is understandable from both manufacturer and carrier points of view. When a grown adult, who spends their hard earned money on a device, wants to upgrade and develop their own software why lock them out? HTC will only benefit from the developer community as Android a a whole exists on the theory of open source. CID was found out explored and corrected all within this community and HTC got praise for it. Where is our returned gratitude?
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Bump!
Plus I have written an article on the situation, including the full quote from @toascfh from the discussion in the One X forum!
http://goo.gl/3T4NK

Great job! Hopefully HTC will listen. I know they'll listen to $, but I don't know how much of a dent the custom community would really put in their pocket.
Also, I cleaned up my post. It was written last night with anger/frustration and liquor. Lol
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Could you please clarify for me, and others who aren't completely sure, how this affects devs and users? For example:
1. Can I root?
2. Can I get superuser access and use SetCPU?
3. Can I flash a custom kernel?
4. Can I flash a custom ROM?
Those are some things I'm wondering. All I want development wise on my new toy is improved battery life, which I assume will come via kernel change or SetCPU. Does this seem possible?
Thanks in advance!
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PsiPhiDan said:
Could you please clarify for me, and others who aren't completely sure, how this affects devs and users? For example:
1. Can I root?
2. Can I get superuser access and use SetCPU?
3. Can I flash a custom kernel?
4. Can I flash a custom ROM?
Those are some things I'm wondering. All I want development wise on my new toy is improved battery life, which I assume will come via kernel change or SetCPU. Does this seem possible?
Thanks in advance!
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Do you currently have your EVO with s-off?
The new bootloaders are locking us out from flashing the boot partition from recovery. This means that if you want to flash a ROM you need to flash the boot.img from the ROM through fastboot first, then enter recovery and flash the ROM. Also, you are blocked from flashing from system, i.e. flashing from inside the ROM, like using ROM manager or something like that. As for the kernel I am not so sure... but maybe, unless it is in the boot partition, which I actually think it is...
So, you will use htcdev to "unlock" your phone, then you can use:
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
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This will get your custom recovery, however your options from there are limited as stated above.
Then, to flash a ROM, you need to issue:
fastboot flash boot boot.img
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Using the boot.img from the ROM, then enter recovery to flash the rest of the ROM... As far as I understand. Then you will be able to use recovery to flash su binaries gaining superuser access, if necessary.
So, really you are going to be tied to your computer, issuing a lot of fastboot commands just to update ROM's, this severely slows down, and complicates the process, however, it will still be possible.
This all stems from more of a frustration, that HTC is locking things down making hell for users to customize their own device. This is what some 3vo users and many Sensation users and almost all Rezound users are experiencing. With the One series there are many working on this but it is difficult and frustrating.
I do plan to get the EVO LTE, despite the turmoil, and am trying to quickly learn some dev work so I can be a contributing member to the community. Believe me there will be those that stick around, but to lose the likes of toastcfh and cyaniarb... that would be a major set back...
Viperboy has opted for the Galaxy Nexus, but may still come to the EVO LTE, which would be a big help as he has done some great work for locked HTC devices. Though, in the long run, we do need to let HTC know what we want and that we are valuable and indispensable as a consumer group.

Thanks a ton! That is very encouraging to hear that there are still ways to go about doing things, just not as easy to do them. Honestly, the only reason I am a flashaholic now is that there is nothing that satisfies all of my needs. I feel like the EVO 4G LTE will satisfy everything I am looking for, and I'll only need to do little tweaks instead of massive wholesale changes regularly.
Now that being said, I'm still not happy to hear it is making devs run elsewhere, because we need them to create stuff so we have an opportunity to tweak our phones, whether in terms of big changes or not. Is there a way we can draft an email together and everyone who cares on this site can send it to them? Kind of flood their email to send a message?

scottspa74 said:
Great job! Hopefully HTC will listen. I know they'll listen to $, but I don't know how much of a dent the custom community would really put in their pocket.
Also, I cleaned up my post. It was written last night with anger/frustration and liquor. Lol
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I went into there Facebook told them I'm the tech of the family and they ask me what's the next good phone told them to go with the iphone or Samsung since HTC is locking down yup I'm the one that convinced them to get evo's and evo3D in the first place. You see what they dont take into consideration is we tell people what's the next up in coming hot phone including me I could sway away 8 potential customers not one. Just my two cents
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Someone from the One X thread, where toast laid out the rant I quoted, already submitted said rant to HTC Facebook page.
Another problem with S-on is you can't flash radios. And from what I've seen in the rezound forum, once you update your main version (or firmware), like 4.54 to 4.67 for the Evo, you can't go back. So I believe it you wanted d to test an ICS ROM, and it was buggy, you couldn't go back to GB (using Evo current situation for reference).
As for kernel, I'm not sure how that is affected. As for recovery, I've changed recovery on my Evo using terminal emulator, meaning from within system (android). That can't be done in the current state of development, hence the need for fastboot and to do everything from a computer. I'm not fond of that.
The best way to see the current state of affairs is to do some serious browsing in the one x and rezound forums to see what users are up against.
Glad to hear you're studying up imheroldman. I need to, too. Hell, idont even know how to use cmd prompt or fastboot or adb. Never had to with Evo. Lotta people gonna have to study up, it seems.
Unless HTC gets their **** together. **cough cough cold day in hell**
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imheroldman said:
Bump!
Plus I have written an article on the situation, including the full quote from @toascfh from the discussion in the One X forum!
http://goo.gl/3T4NK
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I tweeted it, not like any one follows me but ...

With HTC claiming boot and USB are locked out because of "security reasons" is their way of saying "screw you, we will only give you a worthless partial unlock and still void your warranty for using it" and the htcdev.com method flags the device so they know you used it so your warranty can't be "reinstated" by relocking your phone like when they exploit and turn s-off then returning s-on so they don't know reinstates your warranty as far as sprint or HTC are concerned. This is the reason HTC locks the bootloader and requires a tool to "unlock" it. Samsung doesn't lock the bootloader at all, they implemented what is called a custom binary flash counter which triggers a number increase when ever you flash a custom kernel that has been modified. And they put the recovery partition in the kernel so it triggers when you install a recovery. However there are ways to reset the flash counter so they can't tell you've modded your phone. I'm not a brand loyal person, I will go with whoever has the device I want. Which is why for now I'm using Samsung. The build quality while made of a plastic is solid, so solid in fact I spilled some water on my phone on accident and it didn't even seep under the battery cover, my evo was laying right next to it and it had water all inside the cover and enough to trigger the water marks. They have really improved their build quality since my intercept which left alot to be desired but it was also a very cheap budget smartphone to begin with. The epic touch and note are very well built pieces of technology they are solid, the joins are smooth where the pieces are attached or the battery cover meets the housing, and still extremely light weight. Even with my snap on hard shell on my et4g its so light I can't tell its in my pocket alot of times I always double check to make sure it didn't slip out.
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Thank you guys for your participation, I have 115 views on the blog entry just today!
I want to believe in HTC, that they will listen and lighten the lock down. We just need to speak up. This is a good start and yes hitting their pages and voicing our opinions as consumers will get their attention!

imheroldman said:
Thank you guys for your participation, I have 115 views on the blog entry just today!
I want to believe in HTC, that they will listen and lighten the lock down. We just need to speak up. This is a good start and yes hitting their pages and voicing our opinions as consumers will get their attention!
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The bad part is them claiming they did it for security reasons, it will be hard to get them to unlock something they are claiming they are doing for security. If we can get them to unlock it, its gonna take a lot of convincing. A better option would be to ask for detailed instructions on how to flash firmware to the device with their setup. Obviously they have to flash firmware via OTAs so if they would outline the ROA for the OTA firmware install we could use that to flash our customs
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That is the second option that toastcfh laid out. Apparently that is what the G1 had, full documentation on how to flash firmware. This might be the ultimate option, seeing as they want things to be locked but give those who just want an unlock that ability and for those wanting to go further the opportunity and the tools to do so.

Hahahaha.
Just saw the same thing CM9 on One X
Just saw this in the Evo 3d forum. So yeah, that's encouraging. But, it doesn't have camera working, and I wouldn't be surprised if that remains the case, due to HTCs new image chip and closed code. Decisions decisions 
Granted, this doesn't negate the frustration with S-on.
Edit: see what I did there imheroldman ? Thanks buddy. :thumbup:
Evil, what is the tampered watermark you speak of?
Also, in the 3d thread where I saw CM9 link, I swear I saw they have S-off now! That's great.
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I really like their new "tampered" watermark
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....tampered watermark? Whuuuuu?
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scottspa74 said:
....tampered watermark? Whuuuuu?
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Instead of unlocked it now says ****TAMPERED**** at the top of an unlocked bootloader
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Has anybody ever tryed doing a petition that people can sign to HTC for a full unlock?
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UberJams said:
Has anybody ever tryed doing a petition that people can sign to HTC for a full unlock?
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I think this is a great idea as well. Let's speak up!

[Q] Bootloader unlock in comparison to other manufacturers

has anyone experience in the hassl of unlocking bootloader from the g2 or LG phones in comparison to other devices?
how is LGs policy for giving kernel source and unlocking bootloader?
i am a long time htc user and those things are very important to me. as i think about getting a new phone and switching from htc i want to know in advance and i have not found anything
thx

donky kong 017 said:
has anyone experience in the hassl of unlocking bootloader from the g2 or LG phones in comparison to other devices?
how is LGs policy for giving kernel source and unlocking bootloader?
i am a long time htc user and those things are very important to me. as i think about getting a new phone and switching from htc i want to know in advance and i have not found anything
thx
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A little late to the party on this one, LG released a few of its sources for the G2, we already have custom kernel development that just started brewing here lately.
As far as the bootloader, this device has a work around using Loki and it works fine. As evidence points that we can flash pretty much anything worth flashing including custom kernels.

Walter21026 said:
A little late to the party on this one, LG released a few of its sources for the G2, we already have custom kernel development that just started brewing here lately.
As far as the bootloader, this device has a work around using Loki and it works fine. As evidence points that we can flash pretty much anything worth flashing including custom kernels.
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thx i just wanted to know how the overall situation is. cause htc makes it a little difficult to unlock bootloader via htc dev website and there is no s-off . is there s-off on the g2?
with samsung its another story with odin and there are other problems.
i want to get an overall picture for the different manufacturers

donky kong 017 said:
thx i just wanted to know how the overall situation is. cause htc makes it a little difficult to unlock bootloader via htc dev website and there is no s-off . is there s-off on the g2?
with samsung its another story with odin and there are other problems.
i want to get an overall picture for the different manufacturers
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What I would tell you personally is dont delay, carriers will likely be pushing security patches to keep out hackers and make it very difficult for devs to work around in the near future.
No need to worry about s-off, its never been discussed here which tells me it must not exits on this device. I have seen it on almost all HTC devices though.

Walter21026 said:
What I would tell you personally is dont delay, carriers will likely be pushing security patches to keep out hackers and make it very difficult for devs to work around in the near future.
No need to worry about s-off, its never been discussed here which tells me it must not exits on this device. I have seen it on almost all HTC devices though.
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thx. i guess thats just ridiculous. i want steady updates for a year or so as i switch to a new phone after a year. the last year was just horrible on my htc onex+ with so little development and s-on
the carriers would not bother me as im on a contact free carrier, the problem is development is affected. and this is something i have on every phone i buy.
im vacillating between nexus 5 and g2 now

donky kong 017 said:
thx. i guess thats just ridiculous. i want steady updates for a year or so as i switch to a new phone after a year. the last year was just horrible on my htc onex+ with so little development and s-on
the carriers would not bother me as im on a contact free carrier, the problem is development is affected. and this is something i have on every phone i buy.
im vacillating between nexus 5 and g2 now
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I'd go with The N5. Huge developer support.
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Jposton said:
I'd go with The N5. Huge developer support.
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thx
i just compared the 2 forums N4-G2 and came to the same conclusion. development is even more important than hardware for me now