Hello all,
I am really interested in trying out the Franco Kernel on my Nexus 4 but would still like the ability to update OTA in the future if possible.
From my research I understand that you lose the ability to do OTA updates once a custom kernel is installed.
If I ever wish to update OTA in the future is there a way? Can I just install the stock kernel and do an OTA update (without losing data on the phone)?
Appreciate your help on this.
FaeLLe said:
Hello all,
I am really interested in trying out the Franco Kernel on my Nexus 4 but would still like the ability to update OTA in the future if possible.
From my research I understand that you lose the ability to do OTA updates once a custom kernel is installed.
If I ever wish to update OTA in the future is there a way? Can I just install the stock kernel and do an OTA update (without losing data on the phone)?
Appreciate your help on this.
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Yes you can after flashing back the stock kernel
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eainyow said:
Yes you can after flashing back the stock kernel
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Will I lose any data on phone after I flash stock kernel?
What about root, does flashing stock kernel affect root status? I think not since Su binary is in file system.
FaeLLe said:
Will I lose any data on phone after I flash stock kernel?
What about root, does flashing stock kernel affect root status? I think not since Su binary is in file system.
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You won't lose any data or root access by flashing kernels.
Even if you have a custom recovery with the stock kernel, you can still receive OTAs?
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KrimsonChin said:
Even if you have a custom recovery with the stock kernel, you can still receive OTAs?
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As long as everything else is stock yes.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2145848
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Question is simply in the title, I haven't found a clear answer to this. I would still like to receive OTA updates, but I have a few reasons to have my device rooted as well. Does rooting at this point in time disable OTA updates? Also would it be okay to flash these OTA updates or could it potentially brick my nexus 7.
Just rooting? No, but an ota update will remove root.
You only run into problems after installing a custom recovery.
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redmonke255 said:
Just rooting? No, but an ota update will remove root.
You only run into problems after installing a custom recovery.
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so as long as i don't install CWM then im okay?
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Just rooting? No, but an ota update will remove root.
You only run into problems after installing a custom recovery.
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So if I do update my tablet via an OTA update, would I just re root it the same way I did originally?
aaronfuhrer said:
So if I do update my tablet via an OTA update, would I just re root it the same way I did originally?
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Exactly.
Or you could use Voodoo OTA RootKeeper.
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So if I do update my tablet via an OTA update, would I just re root it the same way I did originally?
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cryporchild said:
Exactly.
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Would everything on the tablet get erased again, or is there a way to re-root without unlocking the bootloader again and erasing everything?
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Would everything on the tablet get erased again, or is there a way to re-root without unlocking the bootloader again and erasing everything?
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Not if you use the rootkeeper app
Sorry newbie with a 7 here.....
I don't wish to use a custom rom, but root and install either CWM or TWRP for recovery, will I stil be able to get the OTA with those please?
spthacker said:
Sorry newbie with a 7 here.....
I don't wish to use a custom rom, but root and install either CWM or TWRP for recovery, will I stil be able to get the OTA with those please?
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As it was stated above, you can't install a custom recovery and get an OTA. At least not with a little work.
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redmonke255 said:
Just rooting? No, but an ota update will remove root.
You only run into problems after installing a custom recovery.
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So, OTA will remove root. But will the update also remove all the modifications i've done like copying nexus.xml (file for getting unlimited photos storage) to /system/etc/sysconfig and editing build.prop?
Hello,
Don't know if this happens to anyone else. My Nexus 7 says that it has some updates to install in a very regular basis, every week or so. Is this regular updates or is it that the custom kernel (Morfic's Derkernel) is not allowing a proper installation?
I don't know what updates youre getting but I'm on 4.2.1 and I've been checking everyday but I haven't gotten ANY updates. (Stock unrooted)
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fuchini said:
Hello,
Don't know if this happens to anyone else. My Nexus 7 says that it has some updates to install in a very regular basis, every week or so. Is this regular updates or is it that the custom kernel (Morfic's Derkernel) is not allowing a proper installation?
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You can't install a stock OTA update if you have a custom kernel and/or custom recovery installed.
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just lou said:
You can't install a stock OTA update if you have a custom kernel and/or custom recovery installed.
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Thanks a lot, can I flash the updates with TWRP? If so, where can I get the latest images?
fuchini said:
Thanks a lot, can I flash the updates with TWRP? If so, where can I get the latest images?
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no, images from Google will wipe your device just so you know and are fine through adb. since you have twrp already installed it seems. you might as well peruse the dev section for a close to stock rom if that is what you're trying to do if not try something else
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Thanks, I think I'll give paranoid android another chance.
Do you mean app updates or firmware updates? App updates are fairly regular, especially if you have a lot of installed apps. There have been 2 firmware updates since the N7 intro and if you haven't done them you will continue to get reminders occasionally.
So as I've gathered I can't update OTA when one is available if I have a custom recovery (CWM, TWRP). My question however is if I will be able to apply the update using my custom recovery, and if so, will I retain root and all my frozen bloat from TiBa? Thanks.
If you're talking about stock ota, then no if you have a custom recovery
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blyndfyre said:
So as I've gathered I can't update OTA when one is available if I have a custom recovery (CWM, TWRP). My question however is if I will be able to apply the update using my custom recovery, and if so, will I retain root and all my frozen bloat from TiBa? Thanks.
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Will get custom updates that you can flash through recovery long before the carrier releases the same update..
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rcklss1 said:
Will get custom updates that you can flash through recovery long before the carrier releases the same update..
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You are referring to custom ROM's correct? I was hoping to remain stock and root and still be able to apply updates.
Maybe I should be the bullet and flash a custom ROM that still incorporates TW (want the gestures).
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blyndfyre said:
You are referring to custom ROM's correct? I was hoping to remain stock and root and still be able to apply updates.
Maybe I should be the bullet and flash a custom ROM that still incorporates TW (want the gestures).
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thats what i am doing.
Sorry for the noob questions but I tried to update my Nexus 4 currently rooted with 4.2.2 and Franco Kernel and I'm getting the error message "Installation Aborted". Do I need to unroot my phone in order to update to the 4.3 OTA?
Everything needs to be stock for the ota update.
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MidtownHD said:
Everything needs to be stock for the ota update.
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Is is possible to go back to stock without losing all my data such as photos, messages, apps etc...?
What else did you change besides rooting it and installing Franco kernel?
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MidtownHD said:
What else did you change besides rooting it and installing Franco kernel?
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Those were the only 2 modifications that I made. Would it possible to sideload 4.3 without having to return back to stock?
lawrenceny said:
Those were the only 2 modifications that I made. Would it possible to sideload 4.3 without having to return back to stock?
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To install the ota, you can be rooted, but you have to root again. You have to be on the stock kernel and on stock recovery (for both how-tos can be found in the forums). Hopefully you didn't modification anything on the system ui or deinstalled some of the system apps, if you did you have to reflash a stock image, this can also be done without losing your data(how-to can be found in the forum), but In this case it would be easier to flash a 4.3 directly.
I'm sure you will manage your way. Good luck and happy reading :thumbup:
Franco kernel changes a lot of stuff, so u might get a bootloop. Just find the 4.2.2 stock kernel and flash of, then try to sideload the ota update.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2101488
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Hey guys quick question my n4 is rooted and running cm10.1.3. I never bothered to upgrade to 4.3, so my radio, kernel and bootloader are stock 4.2.2. Is it better to get the ota update and be up on things or flash stock kernel, boot loader and radio for 4.4 when ever there available? Or maybe factory image?
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Just flash the stock images for kit Kat when they are available, right now back up all your data
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sacramento458 said:
Hey guys quick question my n4 is rooted and running cm10.1.3. I never bothered to upgrade to 4.3, so my radio, kernel and bootloader are stock 4.2.2. Is it better to get the ota update and be up on things or flash stock kernel, boot loader and radio for 4.4 when ever there available? Or maybe factory image?
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my friend as this will pop up all over the forum the best thing to do is just wait for a rooted version to show up. I did not upgrade my bootloader and I have not had any issues with 4.3 which mind you is a great running OS you should try it.
I dont understand having root then unrooting to flash stock which you obviously dont like since you run cm and then wait to root it all over again to back an upgraded rooted version of cm...
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Just flash the stock images for kit Kat when they are available, right now back up all your data
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Alright thanks will do
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Question on the way for the custom recovery+kernel guys on 4.3 what is the best to upgrade besides wiping your entire phone and flashing the stock images entirely?.
I think i know 2 ways just not sure they are recommended, 1st is flashing stock kernel + returning recovery to stock (should get OTA)
2nd is flashing only the system.img and the bootloader me thinks.
Feel free to verify this.
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playya said:
my friend as this will pop up all over the forum the best thing to do is just wait for a rooted version to show up. I did not upgrade my bootloader and I have not had any issues with 4.3 which mind you is a great running OS you should try it.
I dont understand having root then unrooting to flash stock which you obviously dont like since you run cm and then wait to root it all over again to back an upgraded rooted version of cm...
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You make a lot of sense ,its more of curiosity and so I won't brick my nexus. So I can get away with not upgrading my bootloader for 4.4?
What about kernel, do I need to update that for 4.4 or is that judgement call?
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sacramento458 said:
You make a lot of sense ,its more of curiosity and so I won't brick my nexus. So I can get away with not upgrading my bootloader for 4.4?
What about kernel, do I need to update that for 4.4 or is that judgement call?
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you are asking questions that trial and error are going to figure out for us. Kernels of course if you are on a 4.4 rom you would use a 4.4 kernel. Upgrading your bootloader may or may not be needed but we wont know until kitkat starts popping. everyone said you needed to upgrade bootloader for 4.3 but I have never had any issue at all.... Just wait it out and read read read
Tricepz said:
Question on the way for the custom recovery+kernel guys on 4.3 what is the best to upgrade besides wiping your entire phone and flashing the stock images entirely?.
I think i know 2 ways just not sure they are recommended, 1st is flashing stock kernel + returning recovery to stock (should get OTA)
2nd is flashing only the system.img and the bootloader me thinks.
Feel free to verify this.
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Not to sure but as long as you're on stock ROM and stock kernel you should be fine although I don't know if custom recovery keeps you from getting update.
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playya said:
you are asking questions that trial and error are going to figure out for us. Kernels of course if you are on a 4.4 rom you would use a 4.4 kernel. Upgrading your bootloader may or may not be needed but we wont know until kitkat starts popping. everyone said you needed to upgrade bootloader for 4.3 but I have never had any issue at all.... Just wait it out and read read read
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Thanks for the clarification, appreciate the support.
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sacramento458 said:
Thanks for the clarification, appreciate the support.
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no problem hopefully you can pass it on to others like you who may be unsure of what to do...
playya said:
no problem hopefully you can pass it on to others like you who may be unsure of what to do...
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Absolutely bro
You do have to be on stock recovery, stock bootloader for the update to go thru properly otherwise it'll fail.
Tricepz said:
Question on the way for the custom recovery+kernel guys on 4.3 what is the best to upgrade besides wiping your entire phone and flashing the stock images entirely?.
I think i know 2 ways just not sure they are recommended, 1st is flashing stock kernel + returning recovery to stock (should get OTA)
2nd is flashing only the system.img and the bootloader me thinks.
Feel free to verify this.
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If you are still on stock rom and you just have custom kernel+recovery, U could do the following for not using any current apps or files.
- Wait till your favorite Toolkit (e.g Wug) get updated for 4.4 and then download the official factory rom.
- Extract it and keep all separate zips, like radio, bootloader,system etc.
- Unroot and flash stock kernel
- Flash all previous zips, EXCEPT user.img which will delete everything
- Reroot and U r ready to flash again custom kernel
Maybe a noob question but my n4 is rooted. Will this cause any problems withe the update?
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RASTAVIPER said:
If you are still on stock rom and you just have custom kernel+recovery, U could do the following for not using any current apps or files.
- Wait till your favorite Toolkit (e.g Wug) get updated for 4.4 and then download the official factory rom.
- Extract it and keep all separate zips, like radio, bootloader,system etc.
- Unroot and flash stock kernel
- Flash all previous zips, EXCEPT user.img which will delete everything
- Reroot and U r ready to flash again custom kernel
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The original stock kernel of 4.3 is on the bootloader.img on the google source code aye?
Thanks, now we just need to wait for the official 4.4 on google's developers.
Tricepz said:
The original stock kernel of 4.3 is on the bootloader.img on the google source code aye?
Thanks, now we just need to wait for the official 4.4 on google's developers.
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Here a direct link for stock kernel 0.84 from JWR66V factory image
http://d-h.st/cIJ
Hello,
My phone has already had the radio upgraded to latest so it can run 4.3. I am rooted, have TWRP 2.6.3.0, will I be ok to flash the PA 4.4 and gapps? I keep posts about folks losing their sdcard data and their custom recovery being removed (not sure how!).
Thanks.
Schur1k said:
Maybe a noob question but my n4 is rooted. Will this cause any problems withe the update?
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Do you have a custom recover?
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Schur1k said:
Maybe a noob question but my n4 is rooted. Will this cause any problems withe the update?
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Do you have a custom recovery?
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maritimesbob said:
Hello,
My phone has already had the radio upgraded to latest so it can run 4.3. I am rooted, have TWRP 2.6.3.0, will I be ok to flash the PA 4.4 and gapps? I keep posts about folks losing their sdcard data and their custom recovery being removed (not sure how!).
Thanks.
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I'm sure that radio doesn't affect your ability to flash certain ROMs so you shouldn't have a problem flashing 4.4. As far as losing SD data not sure how that's happening.
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