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Sooo I've been running ics roms for a few months now and I'm just finding out about the force gpu rendering option in the developer settings. And its pretty awesome, it forces hardware acceleration on apps that don't natively support it right? Are there any downsides to using this? I've noticed issues with root explorer where it basically breaks the app.
I didn't know ICS ROMs have been out for months. Lol
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SteveCheeseman said:
Sooo I've been running ics roms for a few months now and I'm just finding out about the force gpu rendering option in the developer settings. And its pretty awesome, it forces hardware acceleration on apps that don't natively support it right? Are there any downsides to using this? I've noticed issues with root explorer where it basically breaks the app.
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this is the downside:
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
bdpyo said:
I didn't know ICS ROMs have been out for months. Lol
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My mistake I meant weeks
I was just busting stones.
We wont see real time effects for it until OTA, once deb's have it, its gonna be great
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I personally dont think it is doing much of anything yet. Once we have the device specific drivers i'm sure it will make a difference. As of now i'm not even sure checking that box does anything.
xsteven77x said:
I personally dont think it is doing much of anything yet. Once we have the device specific drivers i'm sure it will make a difference. As of now i'm not even sure checking that box does anything.
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It does things lol. download spite and malice from the market. Check the box. Open spite and malice. Go to options. And try and read the microscopic menu lol. It breaks some apps I just know spite and malice for sure.
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I personally think it won't be used all that much.
I think of it as compatibility mode in miui. The apps you use never use it.
But please. Paste an argument busting my balls. I'd like to see it.
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...I've noticed issues with root explorer where it basically breaks the app.
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root explorer 2.17.2 supports that
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I got the Galaxy Nexus but I noticed it braks GroupMe, you cant open attachments anymore......
force gpu rendering is good for some apps which provides this feature but some gets laggy like hell
I noticed a big boost in smoothness in the official Twitter app. Pulse seem smoother as well, but it was already decent before i turned it on. Just slightly smoother.
I recommend it. I'm using it and EVERYTHING is faster. I even squeezed out an extra 300 points on a Quadrant bench score because of it . Enable it and then reboot!
Nexus S - CyberGR Hybrid ICS (0.5), Matrix Kernel (15)
Hi, guys I've some questions about jelly bean on N7.
I know it has project butter. It's ok.
Why are there 'Disabling HW overlay' and 'Force GPU rendering' options disabled by default in settings > developer options?
Does it mean android uses cpu instead of gpu? if I enable those settings, does battery life improve?
thanks!
arkhan11 said:
Hi, guys I've some questions about jelly bean on N7.
I know it has project butter. It's ok.
Why are there 'Disabling HW overlay' and 'Force GPU rendering' options disabled by default in settings > developer options?
Does it mean android uses cpu instead of gpu? if I enable those settings, does battery life improve?
thanks!
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As far as I know the 'force GPU' only makes a difference on apps that don't use it by default. Your Ui already is using it. Not sure what disabling HW overlay does tho
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Disabling hardware overlays is a bad thing. Don't do it. Force GPU rendering can help with old apps that haven't been updated to support gpu rendering.
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I've noticed that forcing GPU rendering makes some apps not show images. XDA is one of them.
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thank you guys!
Metallice said:
Disabling hardware overlays is a bad thing. Don't do it. Force GPU rendering can help with old apps that haven't been updated to support gpu rendering.
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I'm curious... Why disabling HW overlay is a bad thing? sometimes it's recommended in some ROMs (like aokp jellytime on my desire s).
Don't worry to be too technical. No noobs here
arkhan11 said:
thank you guys!
I'm curious... Why disabling HW overlay is a bad thing? sometimes it's recommended in some ROMs (like aokp jellytime on my desire s).
Don't worry to be too technical. No noobs here
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The only reason it would be recommended to disable it is if hardware overlay isn't fully working for your phone.
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Is there a good way to deal with lags, i.e. to find what exactly causes particular lag and then eliminate it?
If this can be done ,no lags will exist in Android. The question is difficult to answer and is not as easy as you think.
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The question is difficult to answer and is not as easy as you think.
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I guess so. But are there no general guidelines? No point to start from? I guess there must be some roughly determined way to identify what causes given lag.
If there would be an algorithm on how to deal with lags, then there would be almost no lags in Android. I do agree with that.
V6 supercharger, Kick ass Kernelizer and other tweaks will help even out lag- but it will always be a problem on any computing system, if this was a quadcore 2ghz phone with mali-t604 gpus in SLI running android 4.2.1 im sure it would be okay
These solutions depend on specific problems. Many things can cause lags
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Limiting background processes to 2 and slight over clocking works for me
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my understanding is, you are looking for a stepbystep guide what to check to find the cause of a lag.
maybe:
- check memory usage
- check cpu usage (i.e. with os monitor)
- delete/freeze app that has a huge amount of usage...
something like that? i'm no pro, so its just what logic tells me...
Hi everybody. I have read in a lot of forums here in xda that with rasbeanjelly and Franco.kernel or with other custom ROMs, they achieve to have no lag at games such as NFS most wanted or GTA vice city at max settings... Or have scores on quadrant benchmarks such as 7000+. The highest I could get is 5000, with rasbeanjelly and Franco.kernel/trinity kernel. Also in the games above, I have lag.. 20-25 fps. How is that possible? What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance
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Tegra 3 is the issue
If I helped out, hit the thanks button.
So how in other users it performs well and in my n7 not? tegra 3 is a quad core and I think it could perform better than a dual core... Such as gs2 or galaxy nexus, I think that the problem is the opt. of the apps.. However as I said others have no lag, how is that possible?
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If all apps were optimized, it would be great. Since most aren't, they are junk. Note 2 and s3 processor dont need apps to be optimized. Only tegra 3. Others have flashed custom kernels and roms to improve performance but most aren't that great.
If I helped out, hit the thanks button.
You are right about the note II and s3.. As for my problem, i have also installed the same ROM and kernel the spesific person installed on his nexus 7 who reported that he has no lag.. (And he wasn't the only one:/) what am I doing wrong?
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tsiape said:
You are right about the note II and s3.. As for my problem, i have also installed the same ROM and kernel the spesific person installed on his nexus 7 who reported that he has no lag.. (And he wasn't the only one:/) what am I doing wrong?
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Depends on someone's perception really. My friend's S3 has no lag playing vice city or nfs:mw, but my nexus 7 has lower framerates (in the case of nfs:mw) and stutter (in vice city), even after overclocking the GPU.
It's because the games haven't been optimized properly for tegra 3. But if you play THD games, you'll see they look awesome and are smooth.
I've noticed something else. Ever since I updated my nexus 7 to 4.2, it has been stuttering at times (sliding through the app drawer and homescreen) and some apps take longer than usual to load up (like the email client). It was silky smooth when I first got it.
Anyone else notice it too? I'm thinking of reflashing the whole stock 4.2 ROM again...or is it just a 4.2 issue?
I have downloaded some THD games such as shadowgun and dead trigger.. And it was noticeably much more smoother and with better graphics.. But the next day I tried dead trigger on an iPhone 5.. And it was 47748 times smoother:/ I am really annoyed that developers don't seem to care that much for applications on Android
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Yeah I have p.m.ed someone but never got an answer...
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tegra 3 is good. better than s3 or s4 but you must wait till be optimized. half year....i think. and then it will be ultra smooth on any game and on games you mentioned. its new device. needs time.
if you dont like ****ty performance sell it like me or wait till real talented developer buy it for yourself
when i buy qualcomm s3 device it was more laggy than s1 but half year after its faster than tegra3 now. so choice is yours. no one kernel or rom now brings more performance. try miui rom or sparksco saber. its best now. other developers know **** about performance and stability
Okay thanks!
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I think its not right to criticize any android app for having scroll lag because as it turns out pretty much all apps have scroll lag so not all devs can be clueless eh?
The bigger matter is when is this ever being addressed? Jelly bean has taken care of many performance issues but this one matter remains. Seems like Google's "war" on lag hasn't been completely successful yet.
On iOS and windows phone its pretty difficult to get scroll lag even if you try hard for it so obviously android is doing something wrong that can be fixed I believe.
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I only have scroll lag on a few apps on my Nexus 4... All other apps are fine. My tablet on the other hand...
My n4 perform amazingly, the n7 on the other hand, not so much. It could be some apps. Or it could be this companion core on the n7, using that one slow core for small tasks really kills it for me
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enable force gpu rendering in the phones main settings, developer options.
No scroll lag here... at all
username8611 said:
No scroll lag here... at all
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same here
Gambler_3 said:
I think its not right to criticize any android app for having scroll lag because as it turns out pretty much all apps have scroll lag so not all devs can be clueless eh?
The bigger matter is when is this ever being addressed? Jelly bean has taken care of many performance issues but this one matter remains. Seems like Google's "war" on lag hasn't been completely successful yet.
On iOS and windows phone its pretty difficult to get scroll lag even if you try hard for it so obviously android is doing something wrong that can be fixed I believe.
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Or maybe you are using an extremely outdated phone?
nbell13 said:
Or maybe you are using an extremely outdated phone.
True DAT.
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Gambler_3 said:
I think its not right to criticize any android app for having scroll lag because as it turns out pretty much all apps have scroll lag so not all devs can be clueless eh?
The bigger matter is when is this ever being addressed? Jelly bean has taken care of many performance issues but this one matter remains. Seems like Google's "war" on lag hasn't been completely successful yet.
On iOS and windows phone its pretty difficult to get scroll lag even if you try hard for it so obviously android is doing something wrong that can be fixed I believe.
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Sorry but your device does not cut it for a smooth performance nowadays.
It's like saying why Windows 8 is slow in my Pentium 4 and 256MB ram.
It is smooth in well made apps in my Nexus 4. Some crappy ones stutter for time to time but it's very minimal.
What do you mean exactly when you refer to scroll lag?
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The only app that is so laggy on my N4 are those social networks that requires to load bunch of image thumnails
simms22 said:
enable force gpu rendering in the phones main settings, developer options.
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Just a noob Qs.
Will this cause the battery to drain more?
filthykid said:
Just a noob Qs.
Will this cause the battery to drain more?
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Probably not, even if yes, most likely unnoticeble drain
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Oh comon I am not talking about scroll lag on nexus S but phones like galaxy S3 and nexus 4 also DO have lag. Do you think I'll make a thread based on a nexus S on this forum?
dweekie said:
What do you mean exactly when you refer to scroll lag?
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Stutter when trying to scroll very quickly inside an app like a list. It might sometimes be smooth but not always.
Examples are whatsapp, viber, facebook, xda, google currents etc. Use the same app on iOS or WP8 and they wont break a sweat. You might think that its not really a big deal until you see those apps on other platforms.
LoVeRice said:
The only app that is so laggy on my N4 are those social networks that requires to load bunch of image thumnails
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Exactly that I find to be the biggest performance problem with android, thumbnail loading causes lag even on the most high end phones.
Gambler_3 said:
Oh comon I am not talking about scroll lag on nexus S but phones like galaxy S3 and nexus 4 also DO have lag. Do you think I'll make a thread based on a nexus S on this forum?
Stutter when trying to scroll very quickly inside an app like a list. It might sometimes be smooth but not always.
Examples are whatsapp, viber, facebook, xda, google currents etc. Use the same app on iOS or WP8 and they wont break a sweat. You might think that its not really a big deal until you see those apps on other platforms.
Exactly that I find to be the biggest performance problem with android, thumbnail loading causes lag even on the most high end phones.
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I am not sure about wp or iOS. For my Nexus 4, it does lag with scrolling. Twitter application lags a bit when scrolling very fast and then slowing down. Facebook application definitely lag! Instagram do jerk a bit when the scrolling speed is slowing down. Same goes to the 9gag application. Maybe people just have low expectations or just don't like to hear bad things about their device. It is a problem in Android and it is good to be identified and Google can improve it.
tanjiajun_34 said:
I am not sure about wp or iOS. For my Nexus 4, it does lag with scrolling. Twitter application lags a bit when scrolling very fast and then slowing down. Facebook application definitely lag! Instagram do jerk a bit when the scrolling speed is slowing down. Same goes to the 9gag application. Maybe people just have low expectations or just don't like to hear bad things about their device. It is a problem in Android and it is good to be identified and Google can improve it.
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Coming from both iOS and WP, scroll lag was almost nonexistent. Although my 3GS was a little laggy with iOS 6 on it, still not as bad as my N4 in apps.
The only place where scroll lag does not appear is the settings app
Gambler_3 said:
Examples are whatsapp, viber, facebook, xda, google currents etc. Use the same app on iOS or WP8 and they wont break a sweat. You might think that its not really a big deal until you see those apps on other platforms.
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the only app that will lag on all android phones, no matter what you do is facebook , and we all know why. As for others, force gpu rendering in developer options and you will see that whatsapp and xda app have no scroll lag. this is basically the first thing i do when i get a new device, not sure why it's not a default standard in android.
jiayit said:
Coming from both iOS and WP, scroll lag was almost nonexistent. Although my 3GS was a little laggy with iOS 6 on it, still not as bad as my N4 in apps.
The only place where scroll lag does not appear is the settings app
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My girlfriend's iPhone 4 lags way more than my N4
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DirgeExtinction said:
My girlfriend's iPhone 4 lags way more than my N4
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We are only talking about scroll lag here not overall lag.
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It's the governors I tell you.
For a test set your phone in performance governor mode for five minutes and test all those jerky scrolling apps.