Now before some HTC fan boy shoots me down in flames for suggesting that HTC may have had less than honourable intentions for designing a phone with a fixed battery, please hear me out.
HTC, to stay afloat, require continued sales of the latest and greatest tech. It is quite possible that phone specs will start to plateau out now.
There isn't much use increasing the screen resolution. The ram amount is startinh to exceed laptop computers from a few years back and as for processor and gpu power, unless applications really advance on phones and we start doing things like 3d rendering/modelling or demand to run things like crisis xD, I'm not sure either of these are going to require a massive boost after a few iterations.
So theoretically very soon a great deal of users may be able to use their phones over two year, maybe even three to four if they look after them.
I'm sure HTC and Apple saw this coming and that maybe part of the reason they decided on a non removable battery.
I stress this is my opinion with regards to what might happen in the future of phone tech and HTC's current t business decisions.
My question is, what happens when we want to upgrade our devices? Often they are still more than merely useable!
I personally give all my old phones to my father. Now to give it a new lease of life, on older phones I could potentially have given it a new battery.
When I upgrade from something like the HTC one, and the battery has seen better days, given that li-ion batteries only have a limited amount of recharges, do you think HTC will replace the battery for a fee?
I am actually also curious about this. I give my phone's to my girlfriend usually after 1 year. This year I'm giving her my S3 and have really recommended her to get a new/extended battery to fully enjoy her phone. A year ago I gave her my S2 with an extended battery from Samsung.
But next year, what do I do with the HTC One? I think the One will lose about 20% of it's battery capacity in a year like most phone's, so it would be nice to be able to get a fresh new battery in it next year. Does HTC do these kind of things for customers, and if yes, how much will it cost?
I would imagine you would be able to get the battery replaced for a fee, same as the One X, you may even be able to do it yourself, the same as the One X.
Even possibly replacing it with a bigger capacity one if there is one around of the same size, the same as the One X and the One X+ battery.
It's Li-Po battery... Their charges last longer than Li-Ion
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NiCk.JaY said:
It's Li-Po battery... Their charges last longer than Li-Ion
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The main reason for Li-Po vs regular Li-Ion, is that you can shape the battery into any size/shape you want. According to Wikipedia however, per size, it actually holds less charge
This type has technologically evolved from lithium-ion batteries. The primary difference is that the lithium-salt electrolyte is not held in an organic solvent but in a solid polymer composite such as polyethylene oxide or polyacrylonitrile. The advantages of Li-ion polymer over the lithium-ion design include ″potentially″ lower cost of manufacture,[citation needed] adaptability to a wide variety of packaging shapes, reliability, and ruggedness, with the disadvantage of holding less charge
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I am sure when someone works out how to reliably open the phone, without damaging it, we will start to find ways to change it ourselves. But this is a throwaway society, and the general view is that when the battery has become useless, you throw away the phone. While it is certainly true that you do not see people sturggling to swap batteries on the fly on a phone like the S3 where you can change it....for those that may want to keep a phone more than two years, the One is less than ideal.
But really, what percentage of phone users change their batteries, even if they can? I would say not many.
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But really, what percentage of phone users change their batteries, even if they can? I would say not many.
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People used to open the N8 to change that battery. Is the HTC even more sealed, in terms of " It can not be opened, not even with a screwdriver " ?
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People used to open the N8 to change that battery. Is the HTC even more sealed, in terms of " It can not be opened, not even with a screwdriver " ?
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That's the point. I think the uni body constriction of the device kind of hampers this. From what I've seen of the case it looks like it goes right around the edges of the screen. I'm not entirely sure how they yet any of the components in. What makes it worse is by naming it the HTC One all you get in Google searches is results regarding the One X or S etc.
I'm waiting on an iFixit article about it. As for the li-po batteries, thanks for that info. I've never heard of them and I always like learning something new!
Yep, roll on iFixit
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I wrote to HTC support and asked them. They said that they will replace the battery against a fee, so there won't be a problem to change it if one should want to keep the phone longer than two years. (They change it for free during the first two years.)
Just had a thought. I'm still on Galaxy S2 (20months old). To be honest I want to replace it because of unequal screen burn and an increasing yellow tinge to the screen. Phones with AMOLED do not last past battery replacement date.
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Just had a thought. I'm still on Galaxy S2 (20months old). To be honest I want to replace it because of unequal screen burn and an increasing yellow tinge to the screen. Phones with AMOLED do not last past battery replacement date.
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This is rubbish. 3-year-old Desire which I gave to my wife year ago has flawless display. The whole phone is in fact still like new.
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This is rubbish. 3-year-old Desire which I gave to my wife year ago has flawless display. The whole phone is in fact still like new.
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I have had an s2 s3 note 2 and gnex. Each less than a year and all have had burn in on the screen of some degree.
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It's amoled and it's organic. It's just natural that it burns.
Amoleds are cheap & Environment friendly types of displays that's why samsung prefer them over LCD. 96% of the people using mobile phones don't care about that anyways.
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That's the point. I think the uni body constriction of the device kind of hampers this. From what I've seen of the case it looks like it goes right around the edges of the screen. I'm not entirely sure how they yet any of the components in. What makes it worse is by naming it the HTC One all you get in Google searches is results regarding the One X or S etc.
I'm waiting on an iFixit article about it. As for the li-po batteries, thanks for that info. I've never heard of them and I always like learning something new!
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Try searching like this
Awesome, now I'll never have to see another Justin Bieber link ever again!
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I noticed that my battery from my first evo which was given to me back in May was slightly different then the ones being issued now with the evo's. They are still both red but different in markings, and I happened to place my old battery in my newer evo and am getting way battery life with the old battery in the new evo compared to the new evo with the battery it came with. Just like my first evo seemed to be built a lot better then the ones being pushed out now. Just an observation I've noticed, and since we all have been having battery issues with our phones but I think it has to do with the way the hardware is being developed and who they are getting their products from. It's as if the newer phones aren't built tough, but I've been using my new phone with old battery and well over 14hrs of up time, and over 2hrs of awake time with 41% left and that with heavy usage.
Also my old evo battery was 75% still charged without being used for at least a month and a half.
What kind of battery life do you get if you use the new battery?
I've been contemplating if this was the case for a while, but have never had time to really do any research on it; however, without any hard information this claim is completely subjective to a placebo effect. I also feel that the differences in the screens may attribute to a difference in power draw. We have different screens with very similar set ups and he constantly gets better life. Then again, our phones are a month apart from purchase so that could give validity to different batteries.
Do you have the model numbers or anything on your batteries that would point out a difference from a manufacturing standpoint?
Mine has the following on the back of the battery:
Model: RHOD160 (Shouldn't be different)
Made: In China
SN: not relevant
PN: 35H00123-25M (not sure what this number is...chime in if you do)
Also, I doubt the relevance, but I'm rated at 3.7VDC/1500MAh and 5.55Whr. That's just something a few may want to compare just in case.
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What kind of battery life do you get if you use the new battery?
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It varies on the rom and kernel, but it still seemed to be drained no matter what and especially with heavy usage. But my old battery is rolling I actually have more voice calls then cell standby and android system, I think htc uses different vendors for their products, I even took out and compared the batteries side by side and they are different.
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I've been contemplating if this was the case for a while, but have never had time to really do any research on it; however, without any hard information this claim is completely subjective to a placebo effect.
Do you have the model numbers or anything on your batteries that would point out a difference from a manufacturing standpoint?
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When my wife gets home I will post different pictures of the batteries side by side, even the watermark to see whether or not the phones battery has water damage is even different.
Even the phones are slightly different when the back plates are removed.
Yup.
My wife and I have different batteries in ours. Both purchased the same day:
More info over at ppcgeeks:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/htc-evo-4g/124917-different-batteries-newer-evos-better-battery-life.html
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Yup.
My wife and I have different batteries in ours. Both purchased the same day:
More info over at ppcgeeks:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/htc-evo-4g/124917-different-batteries-newer-evos-better-battery-life.html
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And my purchases where months a part, one in may at google i/o and the other in september. And the battery consumption of both are different, I get way better battery life out of my old evo battery, I even thought that the battery would be dead after sitting for such a long time, but it had 75% juice left which is amazing to me. Thanks for the help Myn! I guess it just depends on which one you get and from which manufature supplied it lol. But for me the old one that was released with the first wave before released to sprint is a lot better then the newer ones.
In tests, the Super LCD in HTC phones actually drained battery faster than the AMOLED Screens.
Since HTC's production had to switch to Super LCD this may be the cause.
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In tests, the Super LCD in HTC phones actually drained battery faster than the AMOLED Screens.
Since HTC's production had to switch to Super LCD this may be the cause.
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Before people even ask:
Our evo's do not have an amoled screen. Never have....and never will.
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In tests, the Super LCD in HTC phones actually drained battery faster than the AMOLED Screens.
Since HTC's production had to switch to Super LCD this may be the cause.
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It could be but I'm using the newer htc evo,but with an 1st gen battery which was distributed in May of this year, so to recieve better battery consumption with the newer phone using the older battery then in my case it's not about the phone, but the battery. Also my older phone from May took to just about any customization, kernel, rom, theme, whatever, it would run smooth, OC to 1267 and 1280 no problems with some of the same kernels and roms I've tried on the newer phone, with no avail. So there's something behind the 3rd party or what have you on who htc decides to use to help produce these phones and batteries. Because if HTC was doing everything the same then you wouldn't see different quality, hardware. It's like if you go to mcdonalds where you live and then go to the mcdonalds in another part of the world you expect mcdonalds food to be using the same reciepes being they are a organization, that stands behind their product, and not using other organizations to make the double cheeseburger, or closer popeyes or kfc, they use the same reciepe no matter where you at. But in this industrie of technology you have one party making the cpu today and a different one making it tomorrow.
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In tests, the Super LCD in HTC phones actually drained battery faster than the AMOLED Screens.
Since HTC's production had to switch to Super LCD this may be the cause.
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No Evos use AMOLED or Super LCD. You're thinking of the Desire.
zikronix said:
Before people even ask:
Our evo's do not have an amoled screen. Never have....and never will.
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Pretty sure its just a regular old LCD as well... not SuperLCD too
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It could be but I'm using the newer htc evo,but with an 1st gen battery which was distributed in May of this year, so to recieve better battery consumption with the newer phone using the older battery then in my case it's not about the phone, but the battery. Also my older phone from May took to just about any customization, kernel, rom, theme, whatever, it would run smooth, OC to 1267 and 1280 no problems with some of the same kernels and roms I've tried on the newer phone, with no avail. So there's something behind the 3rd party or what have you on who htc decides to use to help produce these phones and batteries. Because if HTC was doing everything the same then you wouldn't see different quality, hardware. It's like if you go to mcdonalds where you live and then go to the mcdonalds in another part of the world you expect mcdonalds food to be using the same reciepes being they are a organization, that stands behind their product, and not using other organizations to make the double cheeseburger, or closer popeyes or kfc, they use the same reciepe no matter where you at. But in this industrie of technology you have one party making the cpu today and a different one making it tomorrow.
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You're right. Having other firms manufacture certain parts in technological industries allow firms to stay flexible and switch to the newest technology at little cost.
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You're right. Having other firms manufacture certain parts in technological industries allow firms to stay flexible and switch to the newest technology at little cost.
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But doing this there can be two sides of everything, as for us and with htc, some are experiencing smoother phones then others and the number 1 issue battery life. If they would stay consistent and attempt to make everything equal instead of trying to make more money or move ahead people would be more satisfied. If i'm not mistakened, Apple tends to make everything themselves, don't hold me on that but I thought that was something that came up and why they compare apple to pc. Making all your parts well at least the ones that matter, helps consumers be happy and keep people pushing out money to support. Though your going to have your defects, but other then that you would expect a mac book to operate the same that you brought and then maybe your wife or someone else brought.
shouldn't this be in general
CheesyNutz said:
shouldn't this be in general
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IMO I think this would be a good post for this section being that every thread you read it's about people and their battery life and especially for those hoping from rom to rom as I do, and some even blame development of the rom for such results, which roms and kernels play a part but more or less it's about the hardware. But if everyone see's this as inappropriate then I'm pretty sure they would have it removed.
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I've been contemplating if this was the case for a while, but have never had time to really do any research on it; however, without any hard information this claim is completely subjective to a placebo effect. I also feel that the differences in the screens may attribute to a difference in power draw. We have different screens with very similar set ups and he constantly gets better life. Then again, our phones are a month apart from purchase so that could give validity to different batteries.
Do you have the model numbers or anything on your batteries that would point out a difference from a manufacturing standpoint?
Mine has the following on the back of the battery:
Model: RHOD160 (Shouldn't be different)
Made: In China
SN: not relevant
PN: 35H00123-25M (not sure what this number is...chime in if you do)
Also, I doubt the relevance, but I'm rated at 3.7VDC/1500MAh and 5.55Whr. That's just something a few may want to compare just in case.
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Everything you have is the same as the one I have on my old battery except for the part number mine is 35H00123-22M, But my old battery is made slightly different then the newer one, as well as it could be something that htc places (red covering)on the batteries before they are sent out. But I will provide pictures of the two batteries later with the way they are different (looks/design).
I have also noticed that battery are different.
I got 2 OEM batteries for my EVO and was shipped 2 for the HD2. These at first I said well they will not work. But they have been great. They last longer then the RED one that came with the 2nd phone I got.
about 3 weeks ago my wife got the Evo White. and I can tell you her battery does not last as long as the HD2 battery. And my original Red one last longer then her Red one.
And I will also say that it's not made the same. My does feel like it's a bit tighter all around.
But both work great and just plain love the Evo's.
I don't know about batteries, but I rooted 3 EvO's for friends that were just purchased close to a month ago and I noticed the differences right away. The colors were washed out and not as vibrant as my 0002 w/Nova screen. And don't even get me started on the light bleeding...It was coming out the top of the capacitive buttons and even shining right through the HDMI & USB ports.
I kept my mouth shut cause they seemed happy with it, especially after I flashed a rom and theme
The question:
Is it all about slim devices?
As we see currently on the HTC Desire HD, manufacturers seem to be happily sacrificing usability in order to display their "technical capabilities" of making a slim / thin phone. This is quite obvious for the DHD where the camera lens / bezel stands out like a pimple.
Also, HTC used an even SMALLER battery on the DHD than on the Desire, less mAh as well, on a device that is much more power-hungry.
What is your take on this?
Do you want a "as small as possible" device even if you sacrifice things like battery runtime? I mean, whoever purchases a phone of those proportions, is he really looking for a tiny device or for a powerhorse?
If I had any say in this, I would have contoured the DHD like the Desire, that means a uniform thickness all over the device, using the gained space for more battery power (and prolly a better speaker).
Am I alone with this sentiment?
psych0t1c said:
The question:
Is it all about slim devices?
As we see currently on the HTC Desire HD, manufacturers seem to be happily sacrificing usability in order to display their "technical capabilities" of making a slim / thin phone
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I would imagine the descision to make it as slim as possible is for a mixture between aesthetics and practicality. Yes, we all wanted a phone with a large screen, but no, i'd rather not be lugging around a brick.
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Also, HTC used an even SMALLER battery on the DHD than on the Desire, less mAh as well, on a device that is much more power-hungry.
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I cant comment on this as I didnt have a Desire. Those I know with one tell me it needs to be charged every night though.
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Do you want a "as small as possible" device even if you sacrifice things like battery runtime? I mean, whoever purchases a phone of those proportions, is he really looking for a tiny device or for a powerhorse?
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Im looking for a device that has the features of this phone, whose battery will last me through my daily routine, which this is able to do. They could of made the phone bigger, and put a slightly bigger battery in there - but if the difference isnt enough to make a charge last 2 whole days instead of one, then i'd rather have the slimmer phone. It's going to be plugged in while im sleeping anyway.
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I am not wearing pants.
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lol
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And to add to that, the HD has a more power efficient version of the Snapdragon processor. Maybe HTC just considered 1230mAh plenty?
My view is that it is hugely underspec'd in the battery department, so god only knows what our pals in Taiwan were thinking!
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the trend in todays market is to have very large screened devices that are exceptionally thin
the problem with this is that are often hard to handle and dont have the strength when under any sort of stress/strain
i absolutely love the dhd becuase it is made of a fantastic engineering material, has the bulk to feel sturdy and well-built and isnt so thin that it is hard to handle
The obvious answer is that we need a much better battery technology! But it seems to go forward in fits and starts rather than any major technological advance coming along. I saw this ages ago ... http://www.myddnetwork.com/new-gadgets/nuclear-battery-for-new-technology-gadgets/ ...
"... The new radioisotope battery has the size of a penny and provides much more power than the traditional ones because, according to the researches, its capacity is very superior. Jae Kwon, assistant professor of electrical and computer engineering at the University of Missouri, said that the radioisotope battery “can provide power density that is six orders of magnitude higher than chemical batteries”. That is to say, it provides no less than a million times more charge than any “normal” battery. ..."
I presume by 'penny' they mean a US Cent? Quite small then ... Imagine a DHD lasting a month on a charge? Though we'd then get hacked off with having to charge it every month ...
Dave
I wouldn't have bought it, if its a thicker...as said before don't want to carry a brick around...big screen is a big plus...but the thinner it is, the more sexier
Hi Folks!
I have a black HTC One and a silver HTC One... i'm preparing my full review now.
In the interim though i'm taking questions and posting mini reports, so if you have anything you want answered or want to read my mini reports, check them out!
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Hah we convinced you
Eh?
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Are you in a position to do a proper colorimeter analysis of the screen?
lets hope you work out unlock issues soon with HTC, biggest worry for now
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Eh?
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I tweeted you saying to post your reviews on here.....
https://twitter.com/JamesLSmith85/status/312144489013706752
hah, I assumed I'd nudged you toward the post?
Regardless, people here will be very interested in what you have to say!
more pictures o the black one please im dying to see the black one but there never were one
chiensibut said:
more pictures o the black one please im dying to see the black one but there never were one
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yes lots of quality photos of the black are definitely missing
How does the battery compare with the HOX? Currently on 40% battery with 2 hours screen time with the tegra 3 HOX! I hope the HTC One has double the effective screen time - will I be disappointed?
I saw a black one in a phones4u shop the other day.a dummie phone granted.nice colour.fingerprint magnet though I reckon. Still looks better though in black..
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arknailed7754 said:
I saw a black one in a phones4u shop the other day.a dummie phone granted.nice colour.fingerprint magnet though I reckon. Still looks better though in black..
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yes finger prints was the main deciding factor for me (Besides the need to change)
write more about the display..
After seeing the DHD stripped down to bare aluminium I have to say the Silver approach really appeals to me.....Can't beat a bit of metal in your hand!
Shasarak said:
Are you in a position to do a proper colorimeter analysis of the screen?
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I don't have the hardware to do that i'm afraid.
chiensibut said:
more pictures o the black one please im dying to see the black one but there never were one
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To follow! I like the black one actually, I thought i wouldn't!
prfrma said:
How does the battery compare with the HOX? Currently on 40% battery with 2 hours screen time with the tegra 3 HOX! I hope the HTC One has double the effective screen time - will I be disappointed?
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Yes, you'll be disappointed - there's no way you'll get double the screen on time of the One X.
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paulobrien said:
I don't have the hardware to do that i'm afraid.
To follow! I like the black one actually, I thought i wouldn't!
Yes, you'll be disappointed - there's no way you'll get double the screen on time of the One X.
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someone got 6 Hours Screen Time, so triple is possible
hamad138 said:
someone got 6 Hours Screen Time, so triple is possible
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Yes, triple if you mean that 60% usage of the hox battery is equivalent to almost 100% of the one battery?
Anyway, there are guys who manage to get 5-6 hours screen on with the hox, I doubt the one will double that. I'm just waiting to see everyday averages.
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I know everyones usage differs, and there are different tests that apply to some and not to others, and some phones perform some activities better or more efficiently than others, but i'm really keen to see what the difference between the HOX and HO is. For instance, HTC One X get's 4 hours web browsing compared to 6 and a half hours on the Xperia z, where as the HTC One X+ get's almost 8 hours (!) according to gsmarena!
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-xperia-z-battery-test-is-ready-here-come-the-scores/
Larger battery, more efficient SOC... who knows. Maybe double is possible?
prfrma said:
I know everyones usage differs, and there are different tests that apply to some and not to others, and some phones perform some activities better or more efficiently than others, but i'm really keen to see what the difference between the HOX and HO is. For instance, HTC One X get's 4 hours web browsing compared to 6 and a half hours on the Xperia z, where as the HTC One X+ get's almost 8 hours (!) according to gsmarena!
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-xperia-z-battery-test-is-ready-here-come-the-scores/
Larger battery, more efficient SOC... who knows. Maybe double is possible?
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I think a healthy assumption would be for around a 15-20% increase. You have to remember that with the bigger battery and more efficient processor etc there's a higher res screen to counter that.
The War Horse said:
I think a healthy assumption would be for around a 15-20% increase. You have to remember that with the bigger battery and more efficient processor etc there's a higher res screen to counter that.
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But then how does the Sony Xperia get +50% more battery life than a HOX, web browsing with a less efficient chip and a bigger, higher res screen?
I mean, this is the problem. People say battery the One is better than the Xperia, then worse than Nexus 4 or just average - so much FUD and confusion. It's leaving me on edge.
prfrma said:
But then how does the Sony Xperia get +50% more battery life than a HOX, web browsing with a less efficient chip and a bigger, higher res screen?
I mean, this is the problem. People say battery the One is better than the Xperia, then worse than Nexus 4 or just average - so much FUD and confusion. It's leaving me on edge.
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Traditionally HTC phones are much more heavily customised and themed by HTC themselves so that could be something to do with it.....Though I might go back on my previous statement after playing with the phone as sense 5 is meant to be a lot less 'bloaty' (for want of a better word) then previous sense versions. So perhaps the battery might fare a lot better thanks to this!
Don't flame, just points of notice...
But after reading some of the reviews about the battery life ( and it not being removable), reservations about blink feed, no sd card and the dexterity of the aluminum, the serviceability in case of malfunction and overall UI reservations, I think I will be sticking with the Galaxy note 2 and wait for either the s4 or note 3.
I have so much respect for htc [ had the one x, g2 and sensation) but I had to make the jump to Sammy after all the reports about the amazing note 2 ( I still consider it one of the, if not the, best phone on the market still) I had to make the jump. There is no denying the beauty of the of the htc one, but issues like no sd card ( basically have to plug phone into computer for efficient transfer of files, backup and restore), and no removable battery ( wtf htc? What if the phone freezes? What if I want/need extra battery life?) I just can't justify jumping from a great phone with amazing software in the note 2 to one with so many unfixable issues.
I want nothing more than to see great competition between these two power house Android manufacturers. Competition breeds progress in my eyes. But htc can't come up short on simple issues like serviceability, battery and lack of sd card and expect to compete with Sammy. Craftsmanship can only get you so far (look at the nexus 4, droid razor, DNA etc... already they are a thing of the past). You have to deliver on all fronts and htc, in my opinion, just missed the ball on this one.
Craftsmanship, serviceability, software, hardware, convenience and customer customization are the most important areas I think htc needed to focus on. Although they nailed some of these with flying colors, they dropped the ball hard on others. ..
What do you guys think?
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I had the note 2 great idea but it was too big for me, I didnt like the feel of the device or the screen. The battery life has been fantastic for me personally most have said this. I think sense 5 is refined and a lot closer to googles holo than touchwiz will ever be. Blinkfeed isnt an issue just move it off to the side and remove feeds. Getting rid of it altogether would be a nice option. 32GB for me is fine I can use a Nexus 4 with no problem. Don't see anything wrong with the aluminium and serviceability by HTC will also be fine. I dont see why they would make a phone thats impossible for them to repair.
Battery life is definitely an improvement over my One X. I can last a whole day of use, using the One in the same way as the One X.
I've personally never needed more that 32GB, I've always had about 10GB free on the One X. Not fussed about a removable battery as I drive quite a lot and can just top up the charge level in the car, although this is something I haven't needed to do with the HTC One!
It all comes down to personally preference and how you use the phone, which is why I've preferred the HTC's to the plasticy, although very nice Samsungs. Form AND function over function for me...
The choice is all up to you.. If you feel that Samsung is more your cup of tea than stick with Samsung if that's the brand you trust.
I don't think the battery is a huge issue being that I have a battery bank and plan on buying the mophie juice case AT&T have in their video.
And most my files is in the cloud so lack of SD slot doesn't bother me.
And if your phone freeze no matter what, if you hold the power button for 3secs it will reboot the phone.
All flagship phones will become a thing of the past once the latest and greatest comes out. The S3 is in the past just as the Note 2 will be once the Note 3 comes out. Not having a removable battery or sd slot doesn't shorten any device popularity if it was the flagship.
Obviously it's your choice not to get the One but those things you mentioned aren't a problem to me.
I don't mind not being able to take the battery out. I would clearly prefer it if it was removable but it's not enough of an issue to have stopped me getting it.
No SD slot doesn't matter to me either because 32GB will be enough as most of my films and games are on my Nexus 7 anyway. Even if I do run out of storage, I don't mind using online storage anyway.
Blinkfeed isn't as bad as I thought it would be but even if, I decide at any point, I don't want it anymore then I can always use a custom launcher to get rid of it anyway.
Finally, battery life has been really great for me over the last week so I really can't complain. Obviously some people will have had poor battery life but, from what I've seen, most people aren't having that problem.
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I thought note 2 lte was best phone until I saw and now own htc one.
Nothing like it, non removable battery is a non issue for most. Sd card would be nice but can live without it but not if it was Samsung phone, basically looks makes up for lack of ext storage.
I'm very impressed with what htc one offers and makes up for what it lacks in. Had it been plastic and amoled I wouldn't buy it.
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The choice is all up to you.. If you feel that Samsung is more your cup of tea than stick with Samsung if that's the brand you trust.
I don't think the battery is a huge issue being that I have a battery bank and plan on buying the mophie juice case AT&T have in their video.
And most my files is in the cloud so lack of SD slot doesn't bother me.
And if your phone freeze no matter what, if you hold the power button for 3secs it will reboot the phone.
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Although holding the power button does work sometimes, this is not true. If there is a system freeze in android, both hardware and software button will not work, hence the battery pull option.
Also the sd card option is not just a matter of size or having enough memory, its convenience of backing up my files to a place that can be stored and removed regardless of if the phone dies, internet service goes out ( how would you use your cloud service?) Etc..
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To be honest I only read some of your post. It amazes me that people get so worked up about things that aren't even issues.
It amazes me even more that people think you have to do a battery pull on phones that have removable batteries.
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whats the problem with blinkfeed?
pierrekid said:
Also the sd card option is not just a matter of size or having enough memory, its convenience of backing up my files to a place that can be stored and removed regardless of if the phone dies, internet service goes out ( how would you use your cloud service?) Etc..
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If by any chance AT&T or any carrier have a melt down (or my Internet provider has one ) I wisely choose to keep some files offline.. The important ones at least
The power button trigger is not coded on the kernel side so even if you flash a broken kernel + a broken ROM to it the force reset function would still work perfectly as it is a hardware implementation.
If what you explain was the case I'm pretty sure the One S would have been flooded by permanent brick devices because of it's confusing different types of processor where users tend to flash s4 ROMs, kernels & radios to the s3 versions and likewise.
pierrekid said:
Although holding the power button does work sometimes, this is not true. If there is a system freeze in android, both hardware and software button will not work, hence the battery pull option.
Also the sd card option is not just a matter of size or having enough memory, its convenience of backing up my files to a place that can be stored and removed regardless of if the phone dies, internet service goes out ( how would you use your cloud service?) Etc..
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Very true everyone about the beauty of the craftsmanship. I too was once a hater of plastic ( I still own the asus tf700, beautiful device) but have to realize it means nothing if the material is weak. For me, having a phone that durable trumps a phone that just looks nice. Part of form factor is durability and serviceability. If I drop my asus or an htc one, I can almost guarentee that it will need to be serviced or have very noticable damage. In the case of the htc one however, a tear down of that magnitude ( just look around the net the tear downs...almost not worth doing) would require you to have to send it into htc, leaving you phoneless or with a replacement.
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Basil3 said:
To be honest I only read some of your post. It amazes me that people get so worked up about things that aren't even issues.
It amazes me even more that people think you have to do a battery pull on phones that have removable batteries.
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Would really appreciate it if you read my entire post, as you would see there is no malice or disrespect on my part, just points of notice. Appreciate your post though!
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ste1164 said:
I had the note 2 great idea but it was too big for me, I didnt like the feel of the device or the screen. The battery life has been fantastic for me personally most have said this. I think sense 5 is refined and a lot closer to googles holo than touchwiz will ever be. Blinkfeed isnt an issue just move it off to the side and remove feeds. Getting rid of it altogether would be a nice option. 32GB for me is fine I can use a Nexus 4 with no problem. Don't see anything wrong with the aluminium and serviceability by HTC will also be fine. I dont see why they would make a phone thats impossible for them to repair.
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how does the battery life compare vs the note 2, I also love the one but I am worried only about battery life.the note 2 is a very good device but I for it because of battery life mainly. Had the nexus 4 before it but the note 2 is the only phone so far that lasts a whole day with my usage.
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zaki67 said:
how does the battery life compare vs the note 2, I also love the one but I am worried only about battery life.the note 2 is a very good device but I for it because of battery life mainly. Had the nexus 4 before it but the note 2 is the only phone so far that lasts a whole day with my usage.
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Stick with the Note then cause the One wont get anywhere near the Notes usage.
Riyal said:
The power button trigger is not coded on the kernel side so even if you flash a broken kernel + a broken ROM to it the force reset function would still work perfectly as it is a hardware implementation.
If what you explain was the case I'm pretty sure the One S would have been flooded by permanent brick devices because of it's confusing different types of processor where users tend to flash s4 ROMs, kernels & radios to the s3 versions and likewise.
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Fair enough, however extending battery life or even replacing the battery if it dies (which all phone batteries die or diminish eventually) is nearly impossible. Hence the inconvenience.
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pierrekid said:
Would really appreciate it if you read my entire post, as you would see there is no malice or disrespect on my part, just points of notice. Appreciate your post though!
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Sorry, didn't mean to come off as rude. There just seems to be a lot of threads lately where people are just thinking aloud.
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zaki67 said:
how does the battery life compare vs the note 2, I also love the one but I am worried only about battery life.the note 2 is a very good device but I for it because of battery life mainly. Had the nexus 4 before it but the note 2 is the only phone so far that lasts a whole day with my usage.
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Yes as reckless said above, the battery life on the note 2 is second to none. If battery life is your only concern, either the note 2, droid razor max or the new lg would be your best bet.
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zaki67 said:
how does the battery life compare vs the note 2, I also love the one but I am worried only about battery life.the note 2 is a very good device but I for it because of battery life mainly. Had the nexus 4 before it but the note 2 is the only phone so far that lasts a whole day with my usage.
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It's not as good as the Note 2 (what I had previously), but better than the One X. For me, it's manageable. The Note 2 was too big for me, and I'm not a huge fan of the general feel of Sammy phones. Plus, I never used all the bells and whistles, even though I liked the thought of using them. I felt like I had to come up with reasons to use the s-pen or multi window.
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pierrekid said:
Don't flame, just points of notice...
But after reading some of the reviews about the battery life ( and it not being removable), reservations about blink feed, no sd card and the dexterity of the aluminum, the serviceability in case of malfunction and overall UI reservations, I think I will be sticking with the Galaxy note 2 and wait for either the s4 or note 3.
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There are reports of very good battery life for the one. It comes with a 2yr warranty from what I've seen. So if the battery has issues you can get it replaced. 64gb is more than enough for the vast majority.
There is no denying the beauty of the of the htc one, but issues like no sd card ( basically have to plug phone into computer for efficient transfer of files, backup and restore), and no removable battery ( wtf htc? What if the phone freezes? What if I want/need extra battery life?) I just can't justify jumping from a great phone with amazing software in the note 2 to one with so many unfixable issues.
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With an sd card you'd still have to plug the phone to a pc or at least the card into a card reader. So not sure what you're getting at here. I transfer everything via WiFi, so with a card or not makes no difference. You can also use a Bluetooth dongle if you're WiFi deficient.
With a freeze... again the power button is a hard coded feature to reset the handset. As far as extra battery life see mike1986's blog post:
http://android-revolution-hd.blogspot.com/2013/03/removable-battery-do-we-really-need-it.html?m=1
Lastly, with serviceability. I for one can't believe it can't be done, regardless of what ifixit says. There are a variety of replacement parts available, including the entire back casing. Why would they have them if repair weren't possible.
In the end its what you like or prefer in a device that will help you justify the purchase. If you have a system for your storage and power needs and don't want to change the way you do things then maybe this unit isn't for you. But to say things can't be done is wrong. There are many options available to satisfy all of your perceived negative points. You may actually find some of them better than what you're doing now. The choice is up to you to try something new.
I felt completely alienated as a Samsung fan when they announced the S6 and S6 edge last year. I thought that they had abandoned the ideals of Android to focus on appealing to current iPhone users. With the absence of the micro SD slot, removable battery, and IP67 rating, I saw it as a major downgrade from the S5. This was all to simply make the phone look better aesthetically.
I couldn't see why Samsung would willingly kill off so many of the features that sets it apart from iPhones.
What used to separate Apple and Android is beauty and simplicity vs. functionality. With the S6, Samsung turned the notoriously functional Galaxy line into Android's iPhone and made the war against Apple beauty vs. beauty.
But with the S7, Samsung has become the first phone manufacturer to successfully merge beauty and functionality. No more compromising.
The specs say it:
Powerful processor (SD 820)
Great battery (3000 mah S7 / 3600 mah S7 edge)
Micro SD compatibility
Waterproof
There has never been a phone that is this beautiful spec wise. The closest was the S5, but it seemed like that progress was completely derailed after the S6.
The only spec that we are missing here is a removable battery, which is not a huge issue with 3600 mah or even 3000 mah.
I believe that the S7 will be the first smartphone to completely satisfy many users (or at least me). Even without an unlocked BL, I think that this is the perfect Android phone.
The perfect Android phone is a Nexus.
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The perfect Android phone is a Nexus.
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Could not disagree more... But each to their own. I LIKE a lot of the features TouchWiz and samsung apps being. Stock Android is lacking.
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* No USB-C
* No new design
* Touchwiz hasnt been improved from what I read
* Samsung sucks at updates.
Seems like a decent phone but not anywhere near 'perfect'.
If only they used something other than glass on the back then it would have been close to perfect.
I saw that 12MP is just 4:3, 16MP was 16:9 i hate 4:3.
Derpling said:
I saw that 12MP is just 4:3, 16MP was 16:9 i hate 4:3.
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9.1 MP 16:9 lol.
gekkehenkie11 said:
* No USB-C
* No new design
* Touchwiz hasnt been improved from what I read
* Samsung sucks at updates.
Seems like a decent phone but not anywhere near 'perfect'.
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New Design is not a requirement to be a better phone. The S6 was a good phone, samsung had no reason to radically change it. If anything they probably would have just made it worse.
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*No removable battery.
glass back is stupid, no matter how you drop your phone you break the glass on back, front or both, if you put it in case, what's the difference if it was cheap, easy to replace plastic? Anyhow, very happy Samsung came back to it's senses and made flagship a flagship, but then after last year releases , anything is improvement. I guess they saved usb c/3 and removable batt. for next year?
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glass back is stupid, no matter how you drop your phone you break the glass on back, front or both, if you put it in case, what's the difference if it was cheap, easy to replace plastic? Anyhow, very happy Samsung came back to it's senses and made flagship a flagship, but then after last year releases , anything is improvement. I guess they saved usb c/3 and removable batt. for next year?
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Pretty sure that removal battery isn't coming back. From what I see, most users don't care much for it either. I really don't, I'd rather have all day battery endurance than a skimpy battery that I have to swap out.
Battery is sealed. In a year'ss time it will only hold the equivalent of 2500 mah depending on use, so it would be s6's level, but in 2 years time it can be as low as the equivalent of 2000 mah which is very little for 5.1 inches.
Sealed batteries are a liability to those that hold on to a phone for 2+ years. For everything else I agree, it seems an interesting phone and since Qualcomm is back we'll prolly see some development too...
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I really don't, I'd rather have all day battery endurance than a skimpy battery that I have to swap out.
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You won't in a year to two, lithium batteries degrade. That's the basic use of removable batteries, they're easy to replace when they degrade. Also S5 had a 2800 mah battery. It's possible for a replaceable battery not to be skimpy.
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The perfect Android phone is a Nexus.
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I feel I get cheated having those 3 bottom buttons on the screen. Samsung is the only one making real physical buttons. Thats why it cost more.
gekkehenkie11 said:
* No USB-C
* No new design
* Touchwiz hasnt been improved from what I read
* Samsung sucks at updates.
Seems like a decent phone but not anywhere near 'perfect'.
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like the design, don't mind micro USB but touchwiz and updates are issues for sure. I also think the glass back is the biggest downside... having said that this phone is very close to perfect and that's coming from a longtime nexus user.
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Battery is sealed. In a year'ss time it will only hold the equivalent of 2500 mah depending on use, so it would be s6's level, but in 2 years time it can be as low as the equivalent of 2000 mah which is very little for 5.1 inches.
Sealed batteries are a liability to those that hold on to a phone for 2+ years. For everything else I agree, it seems an interesting phone and since Qualcomm is back we'll prolly see some development too...
You won't in a year to two, lithium batteries degrade. That's the basic use of removable batteries, they're easy to replace when they degrade. Also S5 had a 2800 mah battery. It's possible for a replaceable battery not to be skimpy.
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Well I agree, it sure would be nice to have replaceable batteries, especially when it comes to reselling phones. It's just I don't see it happening. I can't ever imagine Samsung making a modular design like LG did or going with a plastic removal back again. On top of that the number of people supporting removable batteries just aren't a significant number these days.
No doubt lithium ion batteries degrade, it's one of the few reasons I upgrade my phone every year. (I know most people hold onto their phones for longer, but I'm one that loves having the latest thing.)
gekkehenkie11 said:
* No USB-C
* No new design
* Touchwiz hasnt been improved from what I read
* Samsung sucks at updates.
Seems like a decent phone but not anywhere near 'perfect'.
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The design is a year old, you can't redesign your phone every year.
The updates are well worth an upgrade in my opinion.
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Here it is short, sweet, and to the point. I have had EVERY single popular android phone since the HTC g2 and this honestly seems to be the best overall phone that has ever come out. Sure you might not like touchwiz, but why? Because everyone else says they hate it? Put a theme over the top and be done with it. Also how is a glass back a bad thing? I have yet to see any s6 with a cracked back. Never thought I'd say this but I can't wait to get rid of my 6p and switch over to a s7 edge!!
twolfekc said:
Here it is short, sweet, and to the point. I have had EVERY single popular android phone since the HTC g2 and this honestly seems to be the best overall phone that has ever come out. Sure you might not like touchwiz, but why? Because everyone else says they hate it? Put a theme over the top and be done with it. Also how is a glass back a bad thing? I have yet to see any s6 with a cracked back. Never thought I'd say this but I can't wait to get rid of my 6p and switch over to a s7 edge!!
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I'm excited as well but "on paper" the druid turbo was the perfect phone. And..it was not lol.
My biggest worry is memory management. Hopefully fixed on the S7.
Stevethegreat said:
Battery is sealed. In a year'ss time it will only hold the equivalent of 2500 mah depending on use, so it would be s6's level, but in 2 years time it can be as low as the equivalent of 2000 mah which is very little for 5.1 inches.
Sealed batteries are a liability to those that hold on to a phone for 2+ years. For everything else I agree, it seems an interesting phone and since Qualcomm is back we'll prolly see some development too...
You won't in a year to two, lithium batteries degrade. That's the basic use of removable batteries, they're easy to replace when they degrade. Also S5 had a 2800 mah battery. It's possible for a replaceable battery not to be skimpy.
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Who...the hell...keeps a phone, especially on this site, for 2 years? Or even 1 year considering lease programs out now (ie. Jump, Next, Edge).
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Who...the hell...keeps a phone, especially on this site, for 2 years? Or even 1 year considering lease programs out now (ie. Jump, Next, Edge).
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I think you'd be surprised how many keep their phone for 2 years and even more... Also XDA members.
These cheap lease contracts you talk about aren't available everywhere.
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Who...the hell...keeps a phone, especially on this site, for 2 years? Or even 1 year considering lease programs out now (ie. Jump, Next, Edge).
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I do. As well as my parents.