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I noticed that my battery from my first evo which was given to me back in May was slightly different then the ones being issued now with the evo's. They are still both red but different in markings, and I happened to place my old battery in my newer evo and am getting way battery life with the old battery in the new evo compared to the new evo with the battery it came with. Just like my first evo seemed to be built a lot better then the ones being pushed out now. Just an observation I've noticed, and since we all have been having battery issues with our phones but I think it has to do with the way the hardware is being developed and who they are getting their products from. It's as if the newer phones aren't built tough, but I've been using my new phone with old battery and well over 14hrs of up time, and over 2hrs of awake time with 41% left and that with heavy usage.
Also my old evo battery was 75% still charged without being used for at least a month and a half.
What kind of battery life do you get if you use the new battery?
I've been contemplating if this was the case for a while, but have never had time to really do any research on it; however, without any hard information this claim is completely subjective to a placebo effect. I also feel that the differences in the screens may attribute to a difference in power draw. We have different screens with very similar set ups and he constantly gets better life. Then again, our phones are a month apart from purchase so that could give validity to different batteries.
Do you have the model numbers or anything on your batteries that would point out a difference from a manufacturing standpoint?
Mine has the following on the back of the battery:
Model: RHOD160 (Shouldn't be different)
Made: In China
SN: not relevant
PN: 35H00123-25M (not sure what this number is...chime in if you do)
Also, I doubt the relevance, but I'm rated at 3.7VDC/1500MAh and 5.55Whr. That's just something a few may want to compare just in case.
smarcin said:
What kind of battery life do you get if you use the new battery?
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It varies on the rom and kernel, but it still seemed to be drained no matter what and especially with heavy usage. But my old battery is rolling I actually have more voice calls then cell standby and android system, I think htc uses different vendors for their products, I even took out and compared the batteries side by side and they are different.
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I've been contemplating if this was the case for a while, but have never had time to really do any research on it; however, without any hard information this claim is completely subjective to a placebo effect.
Do you have the model numbers or anything on your batteries that would point out a difference from a manufacturing standpoint?
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When my wife gets home I will post different pictures of the batteries side by side, even the watermark to see whether or not the phones battery has water damage is even different.
Even the phones are slightly different when the back plates are removed.
Yup.
My wife and I have different batteries in ours. Both purchased the same day:
More info over at ppcgeeks:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/htc-evo-4g/124917-different-batteries-newer-evos-better-battery-life.html
myn said:
Yup.
My wife and I have different batteries in ours. Both purchased the same day:
More info over at ppcgeeks:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/htc-evo-4g/124917-different-batteries-newer-evos-better-battery-life.html
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And my purchases where months a part, one in may at google i/o and the other in september. And the battery consumption of both are different, I get way better battery life out of my old evo battery, I even thought that the battery would be dead after sitting for such a long time, but it had 75% juice left which is amazing to me. Thanks for the help Myn! I guess it just depends on which one you get and from which manufature supplied it lol. But for me the old one that was released with the first wave before released to sprint is a lot better then the newer ones.
In tests, the Super LCD in HTC phones actually drained battery faster than the AMOLED Screens.
Since HTC's production had to switch to Super LCD this may be the cause.
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In tests, the Super LCD in HTC phones actually drained battery faster than the AMOLED Screens.
Since HTC's production had to switch to Super LCD this may be the cause.
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Before people even ask:
Our evo's do not have an amoled screen. Never have....and never will.
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In tests, the Super LCD in HTC phones actually drained battery faster than the AMOLED Screens.
Since HTC's production had to switch to Super LCD this may be the cause.
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It could be but I'm using the newer htc evo,but with an 1st gen battery which was distributed in May of this year, so to recieve better battery consumption with the newer phone using the older battery then in my case it's not about the phone, but the battery. Also my older phone from May took to just about any customization, kernel, rom, theme, whatever, it would run smooth, OC to 1267 and 1280 no problems with some of the same kernels and roms I've tried on the newer phone, with no avail. So there's something behind the 3rd party or what have you on who htc decides to use to help produce these phones and batteries. Because if HTC was doing everything the same then you wouldn't see different quality, hardware. It's like if you go to mcdonalds where you live and then go to the mcdonalds in another part of the world you expect mcdonalds food to be using the same reciepes being they are a organization, that stands behind their product, and not using other organizations to make the double cheeseburger, or closer popeyes or kfc, they use the same reciepe no matter where you at. But in this industrie of technology you have one party making the cpu today and a different one making it tomorrow.
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In tests, the Super LCD in HTC phones actually drained battery faster than the AMOLED Screens.
Since HTC's production had to switch to Super LCD this may be the cause.
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No Evos use AMOLED or Super LCD. You're thinking of the Desire.
zikronix said:
Before people even ask:
Our evo's do not have an amoled screen. Never have....and never will.
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Pretty sure its just a regular old LCD as well... not SuperLCD too
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It could be but I'm using the newer htc evo,but with an 1st gen battery which was distributed in May of this year, so to recieve better battery consumption with the newer phone using the older battery then in my case it's not about the phone, but the battery. Also my older phone from May took to just about any customization, kernel, rom, theme, whatever, it would run smooth, OC to 1267 and 1280 no problems with some of the same kernels and roms I've tried on the newer phone, with no avail. So there's something behind the 3rd party or what have you on who htc decides to use to help produce these phones and batteries. Because if HTC was doing everything the same then you wouldn't see different quality, hardware. It's like if you go to mcdonalds where you live and then go to the mcdonalds in another part of the world you expect mcdonalds food to be using the same reciepes being they are a organization, that stands behind their product, and not using other organizations to make the double cheeseburger, or closer popeyes or kfc, they use the same reciepe no matter where you at. But in this industrie of technology you have one party making the cpu today and a different one making it tomorrow.
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You're right. Having other firms manufacture certain parts in technological industries allow firms to stay flexible and switch to the newest technology at little cost.
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You're right. Having other firms manufacture certain parts in technological industries allow firms to stay flexible and switch to the newest technology at little cost.
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But doing this there can be two sides of everything, as for us and with htc, some are experiencing smoother phones then others and the number 1 issue battery life. If they would stay consistent and attempt to make everything equal instead of trying to make more money or move ahead people would be more satisfied. If i'm not mistakened, Apple tends to make everything themselves, don't hold me on that but I thought that was something that came up and why they compare apple to pc. Making all your parts well at least the ones that matter, helps consumers be happy and keep people pushing out money to support. Though your going to have your defects, but other then that you would expect a mac book to operate the same that you brought and then maybe your wife or someone else brought.
shouldn't this be in general
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shouldn't this be in general
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IMO I think this would be a good post for this section being that every thread you read it's about people and their battery life and especially for those hoping from rom to rom as I do, and some even blame development of the rom for such results, which roms and kernels play a part but more or less it's about the hardware. But if everyone see's this as inappropriate then I'm pretty sure they would have it removed.
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I've been contemplating if this was the case for a while, but have never had time to really do any research on it; however, without any hard information this claim is completely subjective to a placebo effect. I also feel that the differences in the screens may attribute to a difference in power draw. We have different screens with very similar set ups and he constantly gets better life. Then again, our phones are a month apart from purchase so that could give validity to different batteries.
Do you have the model numbers or anything on your batteries that would point out a difference from a manufacturing standpoint?
Mine has the following on the back of the battery:
Model: RHOD160 (Shouldn't be different)
Made: In China
SN: not relevant
PN: 35H00123-25M (not sure what this number is...chime in if you do)
Also, I doubt the relevance, but I'm rated at 3.7VDC/1500MAh and 5.55Whr. That's just something a few may want to compare just in case.
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Everything you have is the same as the one I have on my old battery except for the part number mine is 35H00123-22M, But my old battery is made slightly different then the newer one, as well as it could be something that htc places (red covering)on the batteries before they are sent out. But I will provide pictures of the two batteries later with the way they are different (looks/design).
I have also noticed that battery are different.
I got 2 OEM batteries for my EVO and was shipped 2 for the HD2. These at first I said well they will not work. But they have been great. They last longer then the RED one that came with the 2nd phone I got.
about 3 weeks ago my wife got the Evo White. and I can tell you her battery does not last as long as the HD2 battery. And my original Red one last longer then her Red one.
And I will also say that it's not made the same. My does feel like it's a bit tighter all around.
But both work great and just plain love the Evo's.
I don't know about batteries, but I rooted 3 EvO's for friends that were just purchased close to a month ago and I noticed the differences right away. The colors were washed out and not as vibrant as my 0002 w/Nova screen. And don't even get me started on the light bleeding...It was coming out the top of the capacitive buttons and even shining right through the HDMI & USB ports.
I kept my mouth shut cause they seemed happy with it, especially after I flashed a rom and theme
I've had my N1 (Rogers capable version) since May. I've had the Desire HD (Telus, using on Rogers) since Thursday, and have since rooted, unlocked, etc...
Both are running CM7 RC1 with custom kernals (pershoot for N1, and hrkfdn's for the Desire HD). They are setup identically, aside from CPU speed (1.1 vs 1.2 GHz) and governors.
A lot of these are personal preference and/or things that need getting used too. I love the N1 though... If it matters, I have "normal"/slightly larger size male hands.
Build/Design - The Desire HD is gorgeous. Love the clean slate with minimal bezel. It is noticeably heavier though and obviously larger. To be honest, it will take some getting used to the size and not using trackball to wake. The power button can be a little awkward (for now) to reach. You also will need a case for this phone. Besides protection, it is thin, big, and a little slippery.
Screen - Beside the obvious size difference, I think I like SLCD a bit better than regular AMOLED. No capacitive button issues (I have to remember I don't have to press toward the top on the DHD), no screen wonkiness, and super responsive (perhaps a bit too much).
Responsiveness/Speed - Now, the DHD is clocked 100MHz faster. Beyond that, it is noticeably more fluid and responsive. I don't game on my phone, so I can't comment on that. Overall however, it is faster. Quadrant scores are around 1900-2000 (vs 1500 or so on the N1).
Battery - I'm currently fully discharging my DHD for the third time, and then I'll start charging it "normally". I also haven't been using it as my day to day because I still don't have a case. After next week I'll be able to get a better impression. Thus far it seems decent. The N1 seems to have better battery life as it stands, but we'll see after a week or 2 of breaking it in. It is nice to see the battery going all the way down to 1% though on the DHD (N1 dies at 15% or so and yes I know I should calibrate).
Misc - I'm going to miss the trackball. Trackball wake and especially notifications. I loved the multi-colour alerts with succession. Looking across the room (literally and seeing everything I missed is great). This will be tough to lose. Also there are currently sound issues with the DHD when using custom (I think just non-sense) ROM's. It does sound "tinny", but it's certainly tolerable, and no doubt there will be a fix sometime soon.
Overall, I'm happy with my purchase and just need to get used to some new things after using something so frequently for that length of time.
My 2 cents for anyone that might be considering the DHD.
Great opinion! I'm also a N1 user who was thinking of the DHD. I didn't get it afterall.
navlem said:
Great opinion! I'm also a N1 user who was thinking of the DHD. I didn't get it afterall.
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Haha, same.
Was considering one as I reckon I could sell the N1 for what a DHD costs.
I think Incredible S is worth the wait, all the advantages of the DHD + better battery and newer Sense,the screen is smaller by 0.3'' but larger than N1 by 0.3'' too
I'm just wondering, is htcsense.com working for you? My friend got a DHD but htcsense.com will not load the tabs at the top.
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You need to create an account different from your ordinary gmail account
vegetaleb said:
I think Incredible S is worth the wait, all the advantages of the DHD + better battery and newer Sense,the screen is smaller by 0.3'' but larger than N1 by 0.3'' too
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+1
Incredible S has SLCD screen and Desire HD has LCD.
Axefield said:
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Incredible S has SLCD screen and Desire HD has LCD.
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the Desire HD(Canadian Version)/Inspire 4G both have Super LCD
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It is nice to see the battery going all the way down to 1% though on the DHD (N1 dies at 15% or so and yes I know I should calibrate).
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So! Does it mean that it's pretty normal that N1's are dying at 5-15% of battery? Does calibration (root needed?) would really help in this case?
I appreciate your opinion and comparison It may be helpful
TIA
I was going to get a DHD, but have the DHD software running on my N1 anyway now.
If I were to get any phone now, it would be the Galaxy S II or the Atrix.
k_myk said:
So! Does it mean that it's pretty normal that N1's are dying at 5-15% of battery? Does calibration (root needed?) would really help in this case?
I appreciate your opinion and comparison It may be helpful
TIA
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yes you need to calibrate to fix this on your n1. the link in my sig is an app I/we created. it goes into your battery, and there are a bunch of memory addresses in each battery chip. one of them is the "age" register, you need to adjust yours accordingly to allow the full range of percentage to be used. that's why it dies at 15% right now.
RogerPodacter said:
yes you need to calibrate to fix this on your n1. the link in my sig is an app I/we created. it goes into your battery, and there are a bunch of memory addresses in each battery chip. one of them is the "age" register, you need to adjust yours accordingly to allow the full range of percentage to be used. that's why it dies at 15% right now.
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Thank you I saw that thread, but couldn't make my lazy ass to do it, when I was rooted on 2.2.1 Maybe it's time to use unlocked bootloader once again I'd like to ask you about one little thing: Does it matter (for calibrating) how old is the battery or how many charging cycles it has?
Sorry for OT
k_myk said:
Thank you I saw that thread, but couldn't make my lazy ass to do it, when I was rooted on 2.2.1 Maybe it's time to use unlocked bootloader once again I'd like to ask you about one little thing: Does it matter (for calibrating) how old is the battery or how many charging cycles it has?
Sorry for OT
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prob should read that thread (though i know its super long now). the short answer is the older your battery, the lower your age will be because the cells have lost charging capacity. do a learn cycle to determine the exact decrease in age. but if you wanted to guess, i'd install the app, manually set age to 85% and that would get you pretty close to what i'd guess your actual age is now.
IMO, Disappointing "upgrade" to one X.. HD2 Still the king! So, I sold it off and is back to my trusty Good Quality Phone.
If there is anyone that is interested to know why, let me know. will be glad to post the experience here.
why oh why oh why
i was just dreaming of the 1X
We had an X1 on demo, our outcome was buying 20 new Andida cells for current HD2 fleet & aiming at another 12 month+ service life as nothing to offer but a IT hassle changing over to something with no heavy benefits & a big price tag. HTC handsets really need to implement better inovation & some clever reworking of Android ...
You are crazy man.... really.... HD2 is great but one X is the greatest ever....
Personally, I am not big fan of sense unless in the older times of wm6.5. I just favour HTC for their build quality and dev support for custom roms unlike some plasticky builds like ahem*..S*M***G
Honestly I must be blind not to read properly that OneX is polycarbonate.. As far as I remember, their higher end model have excellent built. Sadly, not this one though..
To go deeper..
I am only mentioning stuffs that I would be considered as an "upgrade" over the HD2 . All comments are imo. U may say I am bias but these are my true feelings and experience. My HD2 are usually switching between GB Nand roms in general.
Built quality- Polycarbonate=Plastic most of the reviews and even those in store are the white version which looked better.. but i am true to HTC, which usually produce industrial designs so, white will never be for me.. all my phone are black or dark colour.. I am truly shocked at the quality of the material used.
Screenwise- Honestly, I imagine the screen will be a huge reason for upgrade. 720p, SLCD2, gorilla glass, 4.7in screen etc. BUT, its really does not feel much bigger as the screen ratio makes it taller. I mostly use the phone in landscape so compared to hd2, it really only a few mm wider. abt 3mm at most. I have a HTC Titan as well, absolutely love the screen size and ratio. The only time I love the One X screen is when I am watching a movie on it.. any ****ty grainy video quality looks gorgeous on it!
Processor- Yeah.. so it have a 4+1 core processor, 1GB ram.. HD2 1ghz single core, 512mb ram. Day to day usage, its does feel faster BUT, Just by a few millisecs.. I can live with that.. Free ram for ONE X is pathetic.. 300+mb left after running sense. HD2, 200+ to close to 300mb without sense. (I mentioned b4, I hate sense on android). theres no way a phone can replace a computer for work. Its mostly for adhoc. So, its there really need for such a processor on a phone??
Battery life- Theres no need to comment further.. sucks. People will say that this is normal for a superphone. But imo, if HD2 can do similar function though millisec slower, HD2 is the superphone.
Camera- The biggest letdown imo. Stupid Autofocusing works half the time so what if it have zero lag...
Wifi/3G connection- For some reason, after the phone screen off, the data on both Wifi and 3g sleeps as well. Coz very often, when I wake the phone there will be a error message smthing like this " no network, pls check connection". This means I will be missing emails, whatsapp messages etc that works via data.
Minor irritating things- Super cheap quality headset for Flagship model is a joke.. at least include a in-ear type..pls.. Most of the time, I cant find the volume rocker.. It too darn small.
There are many more that I cant remember...
If I have so many complains, why did I buy this? Because my contract is up and I trust HTC blindly. And the dimmly lit shop doesnt help much either.
I am just glad this overhyped phone is no longer with me.
I am not a troll.. I am just pissed..
Interresting report !
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scpion said:
Personally, I am not big fan of sense unless in the older times of wm6.5. I just favour HTC for their build quality and dev support for custom roms unlike some plasticky builds like ahem*..S*M***G
Honestly I must be blind not to read properly that OneX is polycarbonate.. As far as I remember, their higher end model have excellent built. Sadly, not this one though..
To go deeper..
I am only mentioning stuffs that I would be considered as an "upgrade" over the HD2 . All comments are imo. U may say I am bias but these are my true feelings and experience. My HD2 are usually switching between GB Nand roms in general.
Built quality- Polycarbonate=Plastic most of the reviews and even those in store are the white version which looked better.. but i am true to HTC, which usually produce industrial designs so, white will never be for me.. all my phone are black or dark colour.. I am truly shocked at the quality of the material used.
Screenwise- Honestly, I imagine the screen will be a huge reason for upgrade. 720p, SLCD2, gorilla glass, 4.7in screen etc. BUT, its really does not feel much bigger as the screen ratio makes it taller. I mostly use the phone in landscape so compared to hd2, it really only a few mm wider. abt 3mm at most. I have a HTC Titan as well, absolutely love the screen size and ratio. The only time I love the One X screen is when I am watching a movie on it.. any ****ty grainy video quality looks gorgeous on it!
Processor- Yeah.. so it have a 4+1 core processor, 1GB ram.. HD2 1ghz single core, 512mb ram. Day to day usage, its does feel faster BUT, Just by a few millisecs.. I can live with that.. Free ram for ONE X is pathetic.. 300+mb left after running sense. HD2, 200+ to close to 300mb without sense. (I mentioned b4, I hate sense on android). theres no way a phone can replace a computer for work. Its mostly for adhoc. So, its there really need for such a processor on a phone??
Battery life- Theres no need to comment further.. sucks. People will say that this is normal for a superphone. But imo, if HD2 can do similar function though millisec slower, HD2 is the superphone.
Camera- The biggest letdown imo. Stupid Autofocusing works half the time so what if it have zero lag...
Wifi/3G connection- For some reason, after the phone screen off, the data on both Wifi and 3g sleeps as well. Coz very often, when I wake the phone there will be a error message smthing like this " no network, pls check connection". This means I will be missing emails, whatsapp messages etc that works via data.
Minor irritating things- Super cheap quality headset for Flagship model is a joke.. at least include a in-ear type..pls.. Most of the time, I cant find the volume rocker.. It too darn small.
There are many more that I cant remember...
If I have so many complains, why did I buy this? Because my contract is up and I trust HTC blindly. And the dimmly lit shop doesnt help much either.
I am just glad this overhyped phone is no longer with me.
I am not a troll.. I am just pissed..
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according to you weird logic, old CRT TVs are better then HDTVs
guys go the One X forum and check the tons of user reviews, so many of us are in awe with the One X, there are only the issues of build defects in early batches, everything else its an uber, brisk, super sexy device
HTC at its best
and the camera, well i don't need to argue check the pictures thread and you wills see for yourselves http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585398 easy as hell to take gorgeous photos
our friend scpion in here is missing the whole point lol
here is a better quick review http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25468262&postcount=3544
Well.. That thread is all abt the best shots that users have taken with the one x camera. Naturally, all the shots will look good.. Mine does not have any hardware related issue and in direct comparison to the HD2, OneX is without doubt better. My point is that, is the One X that great a upgrade from the hd2 ? IMHO, call me strange or fussy, my answer is still no. Neither is it worth all the hype. Its just another phone with better or even great specs but in real life, the performance is subpar.. Entirely imo. Maybe I have too high expectations for it.
Mate,
One X is a great phone! You must've been smoking something special. Comparing the awfull camera of HD2 (mine is already 2 years old) with OX is absolutely ridiculous....
Check this out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEFWshNQ3ac
I can't believe hTc still have crap software in their new phone. I recall vividly with HD2 the bugs ohhhh the bugs...
Have a Galaxy S now and that is superb...
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Check this out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEFWshNQ3ac
I can't believe hTc still have crap software in their new phone. I recall vividly with HD2 the bugs ohhhh the bugs...
Have a Galaxy S now and that is superb...
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all the crazy bugs/glitches have been sorted by firmware 1.29, took them less than a month to clear them out
we still have only one issue which is backlight flickering when the phone overheats, seems related to Tegra 3's power saving feature called PRISM, which controls back-light dynamically to save power, HTC said its software and promised an update soon
so please spare me, the fastest and most generous Android updates provider is HTC, most of their end of 2010 devices are receiving the ICS upgrade too
I would have to admit the Note was better liked than he One X when had them on Demo ...
Samsungs efforts on Android seemed better than HTC for most practical phone use.
Sound quality on HTC still is very poor & the build quility & design of the current polycarbonate plastic handsets is not that good, no wonder 2012 sales are down ...
Yeah. With a history of sexy metal outfits on higher end device, I am deeply disappointed. I dun care if its polycarbonate. If its plastic, it just feels plastic.
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Built quality- Polycarbonate=Plastic most of the reviews and even those in store are the white version which looked better.. but i am true to HTC, which usually produce industrial designs so, white will never be for me.. all my phone are black or dark colour.. I am truly shocked at the quality of the material used.
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I love the material, very strong and very light in weight. You might prefer a bakelite phone, but technology has moved on.
Screenwise- Honestly, I imagine the screen will be a huge reason for upgrade. 720p, SLCD2, gorilla glass, 4.7in screen etc. BUT, its really does not feel much bigger as the screen ratio makes it taller. I mostly use the phone in landscape so compared to hd2, it really only a few mm wider. abt 3mm at most. I have a HTC Titan as well, absolutely love the screen size and ratio. The only time I love the One X screen is when I am watching a movie on it.. any ****ty grainy video quality looks gorgeous on it!
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If you want a bigger phone, get the galaxy note.
Processor- Yeah.. so it have a 4+1 core processor, 1GB ram.. HD2 1ghz single core, 512mb ram. Day to day usage, its does feel faster BUT, Just by a few millisecs.. I can live with that.. Free ram for ONE X is pathetic.. 300+mb left after running sense. HD2, 200+ to close to 300mb without sense. (I mentioned b4, I hate sense on android). theres no way a phone can replace a computer for work. Its mostly for adhoc. So, its there really need for such a processor on a phone??
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You only need the speed for games. For the rest, when using an OS/UI a few millisecs make a lot of difference. But if you don't care for that, the HD2 will do just fine. I wonder why you are even considering an upgrade.
Battery life- Theres no need to comment further.. sucks. People will say that this is normal for a superphone. But imo, if HD2 can do similar function though millisec slower, HD2 is the superphone.
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It lasts longer then the HD2, so i don't know what your complaint is. if you want better batterylife, get a Droid RAZR Maxx.
Camera- The biggest letdown imo. Stupid Autofocusing works half the time so what if it have zero lag...
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Again, its alot better than the HD2, and on par with most smartphones.
Wifi/3G connection- For some reason, after the phone screen off, the data on both Wifi and 3g sleeps as well. Coz very often, when I wake the phone there will be a error message smthing like this " no network, pls check connection". This means I will be missing emails, whatsapp messages etc that works via data.
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Probably just a setting, i don't have that problem.
Minor irritating things- Super cheap quality headset for Flagship model is a joke.. at least include a in-ear type..pls.. Most of the time, I cant find the volume rocker.. It too darn small.
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True, its a **** headpiece.
If I have so many complains, why did I buy this? Because my contract is up and I trust HTC blindly. And the dimmly lit shop doesnt help much either.
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I wonder this too, just keep your HD2, 2012 technology just isn't for you.
I agree on Sense thing.
I just don't get why all those manufactuers are trying to make the user 'happier'.
Android is really customizable (unlike iOS ) so one can set his/her system according to personal preferences.
Pr0 users are going to root and install something like CM/AOKP anyway...
So... Why the hell manufactuers can't just release phones with stock unlocked bootloaders + plain, AOSP compiled Android, and whole vendor/build/kernel related stuff?!
I came from an HD2 too.
I take some of these points - but the One X is a evolution of the HD2, not a revolutionary device.
If I had paid NZ$900 for the phone to upgrade from the HD2 I wouldn't be that happy - I agree it probably isn''t worth it. But I took a 'free' upgrade.
But the bottom line is, it is the best Android phone you can buy.
Once the AOSP roms come, i think you will really see the One X pull ahead.
Still awaiting update to OP's blog.What exactly were you expecting from the phone? Holographic video calling? Concierge Service? a BJ whenever you felt randy lol?
I just had to post a reply to this post...
My personal choice was between three hadsets:
HTC One X
Galaxy S3
LG 4X HD
All have basically the same spec with minor variances.
I Pre-Ordered and recieved the One X upon release to great delight...
However, there were a couple of things i didn't like which were:
the 1800mAh battery
the lack of an SD slot
the unibody shell
More power is needed to run a quad-core handset & 4.3" screen comfortably for a day. Although it had 32gb, i currently have a 16gb in my HD2 and it's loaded. I like to be able to change my battery if i needed rather than having to send it of for a repair or smple change...as well as getting easier access to it.
Outside of these gripes, it is a great phone but it didn't hit me as oustanding as the HD2 when it was released.
My Galaxy S3 is also on Pre-order, but that wll come with a 2100mAh battery...which s also accessable. It has an SD slot whch can accomodate 32gb on top of the 16-32or 64gb on the phone.
These alone sell this phone to me and not the Samsung name or the screen which is on par with the One X apart from size...i was hoping HTC had something just a bit better than the One X.
Lastly there's the LG 4X HD not due till approx June...so a long wait.
I can't say owt apart from released specs, and they look good...it's a pity the phone is an ugly bugger.
To conclude, i wouldn't knock the One X comparing it to the HD2 they're a world apart. Although a great phone, the HD2 is outclassed in every way by the new crop of handsets...maybe not with build tho'.
However, in saying that...it's only now that i'm prepared to replace it. this says heaps about the longevity of the HD2. Long may it continue to show how it's done.
you have to be very carful when comparing different OSs across different hardware, several generations apart.
on paper the one x is better in everyway, I don't have one so cant comment on build quality, but I can say the HD2 has issues with the buttons and the digitiser.
however the real question is do you need it?
as you pointed out the 3 YEAR old HD2 runs absolutely fine, running WP in my opinion is as fast as you can get, the limiting factor in the UI is me, I cant move any quicker so having a better CPU or GPU wont make any difference.
So, does a quad core SoC make any difference? nope, not one iota when comparing it to an HD2 with WP and running day to day "phone" tasks
Will it (one x) run games better, of course it will, we have a S1 snapdragon in the HD2, with a very old A200 GPU, but that's irrelevant if you don't play games.
So I guess the question is, is the one x a worthwhile upgrade... for me no its not, will it be worth it for some people, yeah, if games are your thing.
Ive been debating about upgrading my HD2 to a real WP device and I simply cant justify it, and I think that's the point the OP is making, despite 3 years of "progress" there really hasn't been anything worthwhile if games aren't your thing.
Of Course we are talking about Android here, and if you compare android on the two devices then you have a different situation, I don't want to get in to an which OS is better debate but I think we can all agree that Android needs more horsepower to get it running well, if that's progress for an phone OS in your mind then so be it, but, that is that fact of the matter
Ah.. That's the word. " justify". It simply not justifiable to blow $800 to get a new hardware that does things a little faster or better. Theres no wow factor to this phone at all other than the specs. Maybe its not optimised yet, but the first impression is disappointing enough. I have to admit i am quite a htc fanboy but this device does not cut as a flagship. Camera is in a way better but the interface really screw up. Its simply a great challenge to get it to focus on something especially in macro. If u still have to get it done manually, I think this camera has failed. Android and sense combo is simply not a great combo looking at how One X runs on it. It still lags or daydream at times. mind u, hd2 hardware is 3 years old and day to day usage, its still performs well or on par. Screen resolution, colour, brightness on One x is way way better. I am just saying the ratio is wrong imo. If i want a bigger screen than the HD2, i would expect it to be bigger in all directions. And not just taller. i have to admit for HD2, when i am outdoor, i struggles to see the screen, which i really hate. My point is, as another poster has said. OneX is just like a evolution of the HD2. Not a revolution. I would love to one a One X again. But not at this kind of price tag and definitely at at this current stage of development.
To Reckless- i would want a phone to function as a phone. HD2 does just as well with 3 or 4 cores lesser. unfortunately, it doesn't do a bj. If i ever need one, i will pm U.
Now before some HTC fan boy shoots me down in flames for suggesting that HTC may have had less than honourable intentions for designing a phone with a fixed battery, please hear me out.
HTC, to stay afloat, require continued sales of the latest and greatest tech. It is quite possible that phone specs will start to plateau out now.
There isn't much use increasing the screen resolution. The ram amount is startinh to exceed laptop computers from a few years back and as for processor and gpu power, unless applications really advance on phones and we start doing things like 3d rendering/modelling or demand to run things like crisis xD, I'm not sure either of these are going to require a massive boost after a few iterations.
So theoretically very soon a great deal of users may be able to use their phones over two year, maybe even three to four if they look after them.
I'm sure HTC and Apple saw this coming and that maybe part of the reason they decided on a non removable battery.
I stress this is my opinion with regards to what might happen in the future of phone tech and HTC's current t business decisions.
My question is, what happens when we want to upgrade our devices? Often they are still more than merely useable!
I personally give all my old phones to my father. Now to give it a new lease of life, on older phones I could potentially have given it a new battery.
When I upgrade from something like the HTC one, and the battery has seen better days, given that li-ion batteries only have a limited amount of recharges, do you think HTC will replace the battery for a fee?
I am actually also curious about this. I give my phone's to my girlfriend usually after 1 year. This year I'm giving her my S3 and have really recommended her to get a new/extended battery to fully enjoy her phone. A year ago I gave her my S2 with an extended battery from Samsung.
But next year, what do I do with the HTC One? I think the One will lose about 20% of it's battery capacity in a year like most phone's, so it would be nice to be able to get a fresh new battery in it next year. Does HTC do these kind of things for customers, and if yes, how much will it cost?
I would imagine you would be able to get the battery replaced for a fee, same as the One X, you may even be able to do it yourself, the same as the One X.
Even possibly replacing it with a bigger capacity one if there is one around of the same size, the same as the One X and the One X+ battery.
It's Li-Po battery... Their charges last longer than Li-Ion
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It's Li-Po battery... Their charges last longer than Li-Ion
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The main reason for Li-Po vs regular Li-Ion, is that you can shape the battery into any size/shape you want. According to Wikipedia however, per size, it actually holds less charge
This type has technologically evolved from lithium-ion batteries. The primary difference is that the lithium-salt electrolyte is not held in an organic solvent but in a solid polymer composite such as polyethylene oxide or polyacrylonitrile. The advantages of Li-ion polymer over the lithium-ion design include ″potentially″ lower cost of manufacture,[citation needed] adaptability to a wide variety of packaging shapes, reliability, and ruggedness, with the disadvantage of holding less charge
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I am sure when someone works out how to reliably open the phone, without damaging it, we will start to find ways to change it ourselves. But this is a throwaway society, and the general view is that when the battery has become useless, you throw away the phone. While it is certainly true that you do not see people sturggling to swap batteries on the fly on a phone like the S3 where you can change it....for those that may want to keep a phone more than two years, the One is less than ideal.
But really, what percentage of phone users change their batteries, even if they can? I would say not many.
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But really, what percentage of phone users change their batteries, even if they can? I would say not many.
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People used to open the N8 to change that battery. Is the HTC even more sealed, in terms of " It can not be opened, not even with a screwdriver " ?
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People used to open the N8 to change that battery. Is the HTC even more sealed, in terms of " It can not be opened, not even with a screwdriver " ?
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That's the point. I think the uni body constriction of the device kind of hampers this. From what I've seen of the case it looks like it goes right around the edges of the screen. I'm not entirely sure how they yet any of the components in. What makes it worse is by naming it the HTC One all you get in Google searches is results regarding the One X or S etc.
I'm waiting on an iFixit article about it. As for the li-po batteries, thanks for that info. I've never heard of them and I always like learning something new!
Yep, roll on iFixit
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I wrote to HTC support and asked them. They said that they will replace the battery against a fee, so there won't be a problem to change it if one should want to keep the phone longer than two years. (They change it for free during the first two years.)
Just had a thought. I'm still on Galaxy S2 (20months old). To be honest I want to replace it because of unequal screen burn and an increasing yellow tinge to the screen. Phones with AMOLED do not last past battery replacement date.
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Just had a thought. I'm still on Galaxy S2 (20months old). To be honest I want to replace it because of unequal screen burn and an increasing yellow tinge to the screen. Phones with AMOLED do not last past battery replacement date.
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This is rubbish. 3-year-old Desire which I gave to my wife year ago has flawless display. The whole phone is in fact still like new.
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This is rubbish. 3-year-old Desire which I gave to my wife year ago has flawless display. The whole phone is in fact still like new.
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I have had an s2 s3 note 2 and gnex. Each less than a year and all have had burn in on the screen of some degree.
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It's amoled and it's organic. It's just natural that it burns.
Amoleds are cheap & Environment friendly types of displays that's why samsung prefer them over LCD. 96% of the people using mobile phones don't care about that anyways.
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That's the point. I think the uni body constriction of the device kind of hampers this. From what I've seen of the case it looks like it goes right around the edges of the screen. I'm not entirely sure how they yet any of the components in. What makes it worse is by naming it the HTC One all you get in Google searches is results regarding the One X or S etc.
I'm waiting on an iFixit article about it. As for the li-po batteries, thanks for that info. I've never heard of them and I always like learning something new!
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Try searching like this
Awesome, now I'll never have to see another Justin Bieber link ever again!
Obviously relative to the time I loved my 3210 and 3310 but you cannot say they're better phones than what we have today. I thought I wasn't going to buy this because of the screen protector thing, however I needed a new phone because I sold my Windows Phone as that OS is just plain bad. I ended up going for this phone in the end because I hate big phones and it finally felt like Android got its iPhone... a normal sized flagship. I've avoided the mini versions in the past as they're always the poor peoples phone, for some reason OEMs see smaller phones as this? However this phone really makes no compromises.
I love the size, love the speed, love the fact Sony don't do a Touchwiz, the construction is so solid and nice, the camera is great, the screen is great etc. It is such an amazing phone to fit in this size, which next to my iPhone 5c it is barely any bigger. What has amazed me though is I'm getting 4 days on a single charge, I'm not a heavy user, I used to get 2 days on my HTC One, but my Windows Phone only lasted a day and this one is thrashing them all. I'm currently on 70% at 1 day 19 hours, those battery saver things built in really work.
I have to wonder if wanting higher and higher resolution screens is worthwhile, I don't miss the 1080p screen of my HTC One, I didn't miss it with my Windows Phone which was 720p, I don't miss it with this one either. I use my iPhone (which I own because IOS has the best games) and that is even lower res and I just don't care it looks good enough. I don't miss not having 460ppi or whatever the HTC One was, I cannot see a pixel on the screen of this phone or my iPhone, I don't look at my phone with a magnifying glass.
My only gripe is I wish they used the bottom bit for capacitative touch buttons.
Really great phone I'd recommend it to any one, maybe people can pick faults with it, I dunno I can pick faults with every phone I've ever used, at some point you just have to accept there is no perfect phone. The HTC One went on about the front stereo speakers, only they weren't great quality, weren't loud after the updates that toned them down because they would crackle at high volumes, the camera sucked, it was impossible to repair. The 1020, the camera was over rated, it would take 4 seconds between shots, have lots of noise, the battery would barely last a day, Windows Phone sucked. I could go on and on but I think so far the Z1 Compact is the best all rounder I've owned and definitely the best normal sized phoned that you can actually fit in your pocket comfortably.
I have to agree, love this phone so far. Before buying the phone, I was a little apprehensive due to various complaints on this forum about touchscreen, slow to wake, etc. But after 9 days without a reboot, I have yet to experience any bugs. Performance is lightning fast, Sony 4.3 ROM is very stable, and the size is almost perfect (would prefer even smaller, but I don't expect anything smaller with similar performance anytime soon).
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My only gripe is I wish they used the bottom bit for capacitative touch buttons..
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^^^^ THIS! There is plenty of room on the bottom bezel for the buttons, and that would get more usable screen area back. But that's a minor complaint for an otherwise superb phone.
I've not got bugs on 4.3, I just don't get why people want to be on the latest version all the time, I've been on Kitkat with my HTC One and never noticed a difference...
I like the apps that keep the on screen buttons but make them opaque and get rid of the black bar, it means you don't really notice them and you feel like you're getting the whole screen. I still don't get why there is a big unused Bezel there, maybe that didn't have the space and it is a tight fit in there?
The other thing I don't get is you can easily remove the back cover and it is a bit like a Galaxy phone in there, the internals are covered by plastic, you can get the battery out quite easily and it is easy to repair. They should have just made it into a battery cover instead of giving them impression the battery cannot be replaced.
Still it is nice that you can open it up so easily.
I agree...best phone I ve ever used
Sure is best!. I have 4.4.2 rom now and it rox
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First of all sorry on my english
Bezel on the end of phone is probably place where you holding hands when you play games or watching movies
a title?
sorry for my poor English
I like its size and the appearance and no shrinkage to Z1.
Im worry that few people choose this phone here（they often appreciate big ones）and it appears few roms. My last phone was Moto me525 defy, it could use dozens of roms.
Finally I would complain that the forum here is not so friendly as in my country.
11 numbers! are needed, I was used none or 6 numbers when you submit frequently.
Love the dimensions and specs of this phone as well.
But I am still not a fan of Android coming from Nokia's Meego Harmattan.
If the Sailfish OS port ever comes (bug free), this would be my perfect phone.
I completely agree. I came from a Find 5, which is nice in its own right, and this phone is just ridiculously good. I left it stock for about 5 minutes before rooting and unlocking, and have not looked back. I have had no issues thus far with KK (the slightly modded version from munjeni), and the performance / battery and build quality is superb. I haven't messed with BT or camera much yet, but getting a few little things like the softkeys out of the way is about all I needed to make this my perfect phone.
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I've not got bugs on 4.3, I just don't get why people want to be on the latest version all the time, I've been on Kitkat with my HTC One and never noticed a difference...
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Google does not leave an update/work for nothing uh... If you do not see the differences, is that your usage is too basic to see (e.g., UI improvements...).
Btw, I always used Xperia smartphones and this is the best phone I've ever owned too!
couldn't agree anymore with you! this is my favorite phone too, and i just love it! all other "mini" smartphones either need a large batteri or have little internal memory or something else. this phone is a beast and have it all!
I agree 100% that this is the best phone I have to date. For a compact phone, the specs alone was a winner and has proven to be in it's performance. It's by no means a mini when it comes to resources. Superb processing and battery power and proprietary Sony battery usage software which I don't even have to use, lol.
I appreciate that Sony doesn't have to be out there marketing wise like Samsung and elegantly meet and surpass their performance. Water proof, dust proof, no biggie full LTE support no limitations except maybe finger print reader (like they even use it). I have owned Samsung s2 to s4, even their minis. Ironically I loved the s2
I am soo happy I have jumped ship and look forward to continued Sony development.
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Love the dimensions and specs of this phone as well.
But I am still not a fan of Android coming from Nokia's Meego Harmattan.
If the Sailfish OS port ever comes (bug free), this would be my perfect phone.
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yes sailfish os on the z1c would it make perfect.