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Is it all about slim devices?

The question:
Is it all about slim devices?
As we see currently on the HTC Desire HD, manufacturers seem to be happily sacrificing usability in order to display their "technical capabilities" of making a slim / thin phone. This is quite obvious for the DHD where the camera lens / bezel stands out like a pimple.
Also, HTC used an even SMALLER battery on the DHD than on the Desire, less mAh as well, on a device that is much more power-hungry.
What is your take on this?
Do you want a "as small as possible" device even if you sacrifice things like battery runtime? I mean, whoever purchases a phone of those proportions, is he really looking for a tiny device or for a powerhorse?
If I had any say in this, I would have contoured the DHD like the Desire, that means a uniform thickness all over the device, using the gained space for more battery power (and prolly a better speaker).
Am I alone with this sentiment?

psych0t1c said:
The question:
Is it all about slim devices?
As we see currently on the HTC Desire HD, manufacturers seem to be happily sacrificing usability in order to display their "technical capabilities" of making a slim / thin phone
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I would imagine the descision to make it as slim as possible is for a mixture between aesthetics and practicality. Yes, we all wanted a phone with a large screen, but no, i'd rather not be lugging around a brick.
psych0t1c said:
Also, HTC used an even SMALLER battery on the DHD than on the Desire, less mAh as well, on a device that is much more power-hungry.
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I cant comment on this as I didnt have a Desire. Those I know with one tell me it needs to be charged every night though.
psych0t1c said:
Do you want a "as small as possible" device even if you sacrifice things like battery runtime? I mean, whoever purchases a phone of those proportions, is he really looking for a tiny device or for a powerhorse?
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Im looking for a device that has the features of this phone, whose battery will last me through my daily routine, which this is able to do. They could of made the phone bigger, and put a slightly bigger battery in there - but if the difference isnt enough to make a charge last 2 whole days instead of one, then i'd rather have the slimmer phone. It's going to be plugged in while im sleeping anyway.

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I am not wearing pants.
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lol
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And to add to that, the HD has a more power efficient version of the Snapdragon processor. Maybe HTC just considered 1230mAh plenty?
My view is that it is hugely underspec'd in the battery department, so god only knows what our pals in Taiwan were thinking!
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the trend in todays market is to have very large screened devices that are exceptionally thin
the problem with this is that are often hard to handle and dont have the strength when under any sort of stress/strain
i absolutely love the dhd becuase it is made of a fantastic engineering material, has the bulk to feel sturdy and well-built and isnt so thin that it is hard to handle

The obvious answer is that we need a much better battery technology! But it seems to go forward in fits and starts rather than any major technological advance coming along. I saw this ages ago ... http://www.myddnetwork.com/new-gadgets/nuclear-battery-for-new-technology-gadgets/ ...
"... The new radioisotope battery has the size of a penny and provides much more power than the traditional ones because, according to the researches, its capacity is very superior. Jae Kwon, assistant professor of electrical and computer engineering at the University of Missouri, said that the radioisotope battery “can provide power density that is six orders of magnitude higher than chemical batteries”. That is to say, it provides no less than a million times more charge than any “normal” battery. ..."
I presume by 'penny' they mean a US Cent? Quite small then ... Imagine a DHD lasting a month on a charge? Though we'd then get hacked off with having to charge it every month ...
Dave

I wouldn't have bought it, if its a thicker...as said before don't want to carry a brick around...big screen is a big plus...but the thinner it is, the more sexier

Android Battery Life - Who's to Blame?

Basically, I want to know who's to blame for Android's (almost always) poor battery life. It has been several years since android has been out, and it wasn't until a few months ago that phones started having "good" battery life, namely with the Moto Atrix 4G, and the LG Optimus 2X / G2X. and Samsung Galaxy S II
Is the Android OS to blame. Was there something that was going on before 2.2 that was causing this?
My friend's iPhone 4 has a 1420 mAh battery, and it can last nearly two days with medium use, all while receiving push notifications, etc etc..
In comparison, I have to undervolt & underclock my Evo 4G just so it will get through one work day on the 1500mah battery
And it's not just the iPhone. I know people with large-screened Symbian devices that also have great battery life. Even my roommate's HD7 gets much better battery life with similar usage.
I know that usage is a big factor, and the "good" battery life is subjective, but before people drop in and start raving about how android is more "connected", and stuff is always syncing, blah blah blah. I want you to drop your biases, and accept the truth; android battery life has been terrible.
So who's to blame? Google?

bjb_nyj101 said:
Basically, I want to know who's to blame for Android's (almost always) poor battery life. It has been several years since android has been out, and it wasn't until a few months ago that phones started having "good" battery life, namely with the Moto Atrix 4G, and the LG Optimus 2X / G2X. and Samsung Galaxy S II
Is the Android OS to blame. Was there something that was going on before 2.2 that was causing this?
My friend's iPhone 4 has a 1420 mAh battery, and it can last nearly two days with medium use, all while receiving push notifications, etc etc..
In comparison, I have to undervolt & underclock my Evo 4G just so it will get through one work day on the 1500mah battery
And it's not just the iPhone. I know people with large-screened Symbian devices that also have great battery life. Even my roommate's HD7 gets much better battery life with similar usage.
I know that usage is a big factor, and the "good" battery life is subjective, but before people drop in and start raving about how android is more "connected", and stuff is always syncing, blah blah blah. I want you to drop your biases, and accept the truth; android battery life has been terrible.
So who's to blame? Google?
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Your Mom! FTW!
Just kidding, its a flaw in the design of android. Android is so open and customizable. Try doing all the things you can do on android on a different platform like WP7. One of the flaws though is that the android system will use more battery. If you want a simple phone that has a great selection of apps and no customization, then iPhone is for you.

jonnybrx said:
Your Mom! FTW!
Just kidding, its a flaw in the design of android. Android is so open and customizable. Try doing all the things you can do on android on a different platform like WP7. One of the flaws though is that the android system will use more battery. If you want a simple phone that has a great selection of apps and no customization, then iPhone is for you.
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Your assuming that everyone that uses an android phone is doing some crazy customization and running emulators 24/7, etc.
You can go to google and search, and see what I'm talking about. Thousands of people who use their phones moderately, just using basic smartphone features (web browsing, phone calls, texting) and their battery is almost dead by the time they get off work / home from school. This generally doesn't happen on WP7, and almost never on iOS (even with push notifications & "multitasking")

I don't have a problem with trying to fix this issue.
It IS one of the top 3 problems with Android.
However, I don't understand the point of trying to find out "who's to blame."
I mean obviously Google is at least partly to blame as it is their OS.
But what's the point?
I'd rather try to solve the issue.
This is Katrina all over again. "Who's to blame" was a bigger concern than trying to help the people in trouble.

bjb_nyj101 said:
Your assuming that everyone that uses an android phone is doing some crazy customization and running emulators 24/7, etc.
You can go to google and search, and see what I'm talking about. Thousands of people who use their phones moderately, just using basic smartphone features (web browsing, phone calls, texting) and their battery is almost dead by the time they get off work / home from school. This generally doesn't happen on WP7, and almost never on iOS (even with push notifications & "multitasking")
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I dont think he meant 'customizable' as 'end user' but as 'manufacturer'. So many versions of the same OS across so many devices... I guess in the iphone the hardware and software complement each other perfectly since the OS will always run on the same HW. On android... well you can tweak many things but I'm pretty sure there will be a point where that balance breaks when either youhave to slow down to achieve better battery life or have piss poor battery life in exchange for a better overall performance. Remember that iphones hw is unique to the OS.
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mattykinsx said:
I mean obviously Google is at least partly to blame as it is their OS.
But what's the point?
I'd rather try to solve the issue.
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You'd "rather try to solve the problem"? Oh, I didn't know you worked for Google
There's nothing us end users can do besides complain. I already have to undervolt and underclock my phone, just so it will last more than 15 hours. I think it's unacceptable. I can't "solve" this problem, I can only do what I can to minimize it.
Not that anyone cares, but unless a powerful android phone is on Sprint by the time I upgrade, I will be switching to the iPhone (if it comes to sprint) or WP7.

bjb_nyj101 said:
You'd "rather try to solve the problem"? Oh, I didn't know you worked for Google
There's nothing us end users can do besides complain. I already have to undervolt and underclock my phone, just so it will last more than 15 hours. I think it's unacceptable. I can't "solve" this problem, I can only do what I can to minimize it.
Not that anyone cares, but unless a powerful android phone is on Sprint by the time I upgrade, I will be switching to the iPhone (if it comes to sprint) or WP7.
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Couple of things:
Firstly, if we've learned anything lately with the HTC fiasco it's that end users can make a difference.
Certainly devs can.
If the issue is truly in the coding than there's no reason a highly skilled dev team cannot remedy the issue.
As far as "unless a powerful android phone is on Sprint by the time I upgrade"....
Evo 3D, Samsung Within [Galaxy 2], Motorola Photon [Sprint's Atrix], and a rumored iPhone 5....
Yeah, I think you'll be covered.

mattykinsx said:
Couple of things:
Firstly, if we've learned anything lately with the HTC fiasco it's that end users can make a difference.
Certainly devs can.
If the issue is truly in the coding than there's no reason a highly skilled dev team cannot remedy the issue.
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Right, which is why I said that all we can do is complain.
mattykinsx said:
Couple of things:
As far as "unless a powerful android phone is on Sprint by the time I upgrade"....
Evo 3D, Samsung Within [Galaxy 2], Motorola Photon [Sprint's Atrix], and a rumored iPhone 5....
Yeah, I think you'll be covered.
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I meant to say a powerful android phone with good battery life
I've been down the apple road before, and while it is more restrictive, it was generally a more pleasurable experience. The Galaxy S II is what I'm eyeing as of right now

bjb_nyj101 said:
Right, which is why I said that all we can do is complain.
I meant to say a powerful android phone with good battery life
I've been down the apple road before, and while it is more restrictive, it was generally a more pleasurable experience. The Galaxy S II is what I'm eyeing as of right now
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The battery life is only going to improve with the new models.
Especially in comparison to the Evo.
These dual cores are almost half the size and much more efficient at what they do.

I once had a 3G iPhone and that battery was just terrible. I might have gone through 5-6hrs before it was dead. - Not all iOS were good on battery.
The iPhone 4 is a lot better in battery conservation and the other poster was right in saying that the advantage with Apple is that they only manufacturer the iPhone and the iOS is ONLY for their own product. Therefore, they have higher rate of perfecting the compatibility of the hardware/software to get the best results.
What android has been is a open source OS which manufacturers use as a base to make their product then the carriers add-on their customized version of android afterwards. The carriers care more about profit a lot of the time so add-on interface and bloatware have always plagued the android OS that finally makes it to the consumer.
Therefore, you're looking at the idea that battery optimization is not the best as a result. I'm not discrediting your claim because it's completely valid.
The focus nowadays should be toward a idea of "How do we make a better power source or battery for mobile platforms" instead of how we do improve an OS to work on technology that has a very meek outlook in the future?"
This thread almost sounds like you're subconsciously suggesting that Google sucks because you're saying "who's to blame". I'm sure that's not your intention which should be to ask for "insight" rather but a lot of people do read at face value so you're best to re-consider in re-titling your thread or make a conscious decision about it in the future.
bjb_nyj101 said:
You'd "rather try to solve the problem"? Oh, I didn't know you worked for Google
There's nothing us end users can do besides complain. I already have to undervolt and underclock my phone, just so it will last more than 15 hours. I think it's unacceptable. I can't "solve" this problem, I can only do what I can to minimize it.
Not that anyone cares, but unless a powerful android phone is on Sprint by the time I upgrade, I will be switching to the iPhone (if it comes to sprint) or WP7.
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Sounds like your intention to build a topic of "opinion" is less a contribution to the chat forum than something worth talking about.
If you're going to iOS then be prepared to invest in appstore/apple only apps which you might pay for and end up never using again if you move away from apple.
Also be prepared to learn how to use only the home button as your go to function button and see that other menu options are either in a app or just not available through certain applications because you do not have shortcut function buttons built into the hardware interface of your phone.
Each has it's pro's and con's. My user experience has been that Android is just so flexible in so many ways. If I do buy an app, you can bet that even if no longer have a HTC and I go get another Android phone then I can still download those apps that I paid for and still use them.
You're always stuck with the same boring interface with an iOS but you have a decent battery life.
You're able to change the interface on Android to how you prefer so you can have a widget that actually shows you weather, agendas, reminders, players, et cetera but those additional and real multi-tasking applications do contribute to lesser battery performance.
It's also convenient to be able to replace my own battery when I need to instead of paying a premium cost to have someone replace it if I don't bother to do it myself on an iPhone.
Lastly, I'm not stuck with limited data options and higher monthly cost as well as limited carrier options if I get an Apple.
WP7 looked more promising in terms of usability simply due to having some more function buttons. As for the developing market, it's very hard to say how much actual support you'll see in that forum.
I may be wrong with my assumption but who's to blame?
..I like TURTLES!!!

I was under the impression that the last update for the EVO introduced a bug that causes the battery to drain faster than normal? At least I thought I read that somewhere and that htc/sprint was working on a patch which was going to be included in the next update.
I have noticed that sometimes when I take my phone of the charger the battery drops to 80% within an hour or two and when it does this the phone will barely last 12 hours. Other times the phone stays at close to 100% for hours, in which case it will last over 24 hours.

1. Linux kernel: compare the batterylife of Windows, OSX, and Linux on the same laptop and you'll notice that Linux does the worse and usually by a lot.
2. Data polling: iOS apps pretty much all use push notifications for updates. The majority of Android apps still use data polling at set frequencies.
BTW: The 2X gets about the same life as the EVO, maybe a half hour more. The Atrix has a super huge stock battery and gets great life but still not as much as a iPhone 4. Don't know about the GS2.
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Also remember, while it is up to the OS to handle power and and what not look at the hardware too. The Evo has a big 4.3" LCD display, that alone takes up battery. Then look at 4g, then sensors, then speaker, then bluetooth, then look at the tiny battery. Software needs to improve, but hardware does too. Yeah, you can shrink the dye from 65nm to 45nm to 32nm to 22nm etc etc, but that's only going to do so much when other sensors still use the same amount of power, and battery technology isn't progressing as fast.

Who's to blame? The end user! Let you android idal all day and it'll last 2! As already stated, android is built not to last all day. It's running like a v8 right now. In A few years it might get to the point of running like a Nissan leaf. One day maybe a prius....maybe.
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mbaseball3 said:
Who's to blame? The end user! Let you android idal all day and it'll last 2! As already stated, android is built not to last all day. It's running like a v8 right now. In A few years it might get to the point of running like a Nissan leaf. One day maybe a prius....maybe.
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But then what's the point of having a smart phone if you're just gonna let it sit idle?

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But then what's the point of having a smart phone if you're just gonna let it sit idle?
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Exactly same point as getting a full feature phone and starting threads of why does my battery suck?
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I know my battery sucks in my Evo, but I'm always around a charger and the battery life didn't bother me.

I will agree that battery life is meh. However, it can be managed. The option to change the battery is huge. And if you know you are going to be in a poor service area or away from a charger, airplane mode on or mobile internet off. And has anyone read up on the iPhone 4 battery life on a CDMA network? GSM phones use less battery than CDMA ones. I am not familiar with whether or not the GSM iPhone switches to a 2G network when idle or whatever. Because that alone would save tons of battery that us CDMA users will never know. Meaning if we switch to 1x or 2G, it uses more power than 3G. So I just feel that it isn't fair to compare the iPhone or Attrix on a GSM network to CDMA Phones. I have more to say but I am nodding off to sleep. I'll save for later.
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I forget where I read it, but it's been documented here before.
But the major consumer on these phones is the screen. When the iphone has what a 3.5 inch, and we are rocking a 4.3 inch screen, we are at a huge disadvantage.

Make sure Latitude isn't running or signed in (and by extension, Google Maps). That alone nearly doubled my phone's battery life once I figured that out.

Please....i need ur smart and honest opinion

Im using xperia arc as of now but im planning to buy sgs2 just for future proofing of a smartphone device..but im reading a lot of negative comments as to overheating aand yellowish tint on the screen and pinkish discoloration in the cam..or all u sgs2 users, can u comment with full honesty on ur device? Iys really my first choice..htc sensation will be my 2nd choice.. Will that overheating be fixed with a firmware upgrade? How bout the cam, battery and discoloration problem?
please please i need a smart and honest opinion..

► Well, I don't have any Overheating issues. I don't think there is any overheating issue if I am not wrong. Yes, it could be possible that some devices are damaged in manufacturing, but that's very few. Also keep in mind that the device will be heated if you play game for prolonged hours, if you play games while charging, if you put a bad/fully back covered case while charging/playing, but that doesn't mean Overheat. Always check Temperature of the battery before quoting it as 'Overheat', without a figure that term is meaningless.
► Pink spot in photos were a firmware related problem, which is gone away with new firmware releases. You could also try to update the Camera firmware separately.
► For Yellowish tint in display see this thread,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1079444
Besides, no device is perefect, each and every has their own problem, you just have to find a near perfect one, which I believe GSII is. You can go for Sensation too, then you'd have to visit XDA for much more time, as it will have more problem than GSII
Regards.

The only issues I have had is a broken USB port which I got a swapped out phone for, so no problem there.
The battery life is great as far as I am concerned even when moderately hammering the phone...4-6 hours of screen on time per charge depending upon what you are doing with it. It's only bad if you use badly coded apps installed I think.
Hardware issues such as a dodgy screen can easily be resolved by taking the phone back for a swap.
Software issues will all get sorted out with firmware updates I believe. Not that I really think there is much wrong.
People complaining on forums is a bad method of judging a phone, after all millions of people have the phone and there are relatively few real complaints on here.
I say go for it, you won't regret it, have had many phones by lots of different manufacturers and this is genuinely the first one I cannot stop playing with. It's a real life changer to be honest.

1. No yellow tint here, at least me and my friends can't see it on my phone even if it exists and general opinion is that it exists on every SII to a lesser or greater extent.
2. Pink spot on camera here, no matter which official firmware i updated with Kies, no matter what camera firmware i installed. It only pops up in certain conditions, that's why people say they don't have it or say it's fixed.
3. Overheating - depends on what one considers to be overheating. My battery temeprature never got past 48 % degrees, but this temperature feels hot for your fingers when touching the screen or back cover.

thanks for both of u guys...
implanning to buy maybe this last week of august..
in my xperia arc experience, i didnt encounter any overheating..in fact even when im playing need for speed or heavy gunnerm or gt racing which are my 3 fave games my phone dont event get warm...in charging, yes, but only for the first 30 mins i guess..
i feel it gets warm only when im using 3G when browsing..
i hope those problems as just an isolated issues...btw, im working ins saudi arabia as of now..im not sure about the latest firmware available here. i heard about gingerbread 2.3.4 already released for SGS2..is it already available in ur country or u still have to flash it yourself?

If your not in a rush maybe you could wait till the holidays, its rumored that a new andriod reference device ( the Nexus S ) will be out by that time, also a new Galaxy S line device for sure.
For the issues you posted:
1.) Overheating - Some phones seem to run hotter than others, ive been through a couple of replacements and this one I have runs hotter when gaming/surfing and also runs noticeably hotter when charging.
2.) Yellow tinting on the left side - Luck of the draw, if your buying the phone for its screen it might tick you off depending on how severe the issue is that you got on the phone, Using a 2.3.4 kernel alleviates this issue but the left side is a tad bit dimmer and is noticeable proportional to the yellow tint. Some users are not affected by this because they plainly dont see it (which is great) others have accepted this as a "normal" defect hence why samsung never rectified this issue. There are also legit QC issues on the screen refer to this
3.) Pink spot on camera - we dont really know if all phones are affected by Im guessing NOT due to the very low participation on the thread in XDA and also a very low or non existent internet media coverage about this, a very minor issue TBH.
4.) Battery Life - Its great, dont expect it to out last any netbook or laptop though.. I believe only the IP4 can outlast the battery on the S2 especially with wifi 24/7 with tons of IM and email apps.

i see no problems with mine .
love it in fact .
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great dev side too here on xda

It's full of problems!

EarlZ said:
If your not in a rush maybe you could wait till the holidays, its rumored that a new andriod reference device ( the Nexus S ) will be out by that time, also a new Galaxy S line device for sure.
For the issues you posted:
1.) Overheating - Some phones seem to run hotter than others, ive been through a couple of replacements and this one I have runs hotter when gaming/surfing and also runs noticeably hotter when charging.
2.) Yellow tinting on the left side - Luck of the draw, if your buying the phone for its screen it might tick you off depending on how severe the issue is that you got on the phone, Using a 2.3.4 kernel alleviates this issue but the left side is a tad bit dimmer and is noticeable proportional to the yellow tint. Some users are not affected by this because they plainly dont see it (which is great) others have accepted this as a "normal" defect hence why samsung never rectified this issue. There are also legit QC issues on the screen refer to this
3.) Pink spot on camera - we dont really know if all phones are affected by Im guessing NOT due to the very low participation on the thread in XDA and also a very low or non existent internet media coverage about this, a very minor issue TBH.
4.) Battery Life - Its great, dont expect it to out last any netbook or laptop though.. I believe only the IP4 can outlast the battery on the S2 especially with wifi 24/7 with tons of IM and email apps.
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Honestly I have a lot of friends with iphones and the general consensus is that they get like 14 hours... Now maybe that is because they haven't updated or w.e but I just flashed the latest nightly and my battery life is really good so far... I expect to get 18 hours today.
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Battery last about 6 hours. Crap.
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iwang said:
Battery last about 6 hours. Crap.
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Weird, I get at least a day from mine, moderate-heavy use..

Bought from T-Booth, unlocked from Bell to Rogers using an unlock service. Absolutely LOVE the device but the battery life is frustrating. With great power... comes great responsibility in keeping a charger with you. Apparently. lol.

I feel like everyone is being really picky when it comes to those issues, its just like the whole iPhone's antenna gate problem, it wasn't really a big problem because when i had the iPhone, i never dropped a call. I bet you that you wouldn't even notice the issues if you didn't read this forum

666fff said:
Weird, I get at least a day from mine, moderate-heavy use..
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Yeah maybe I am still conditioning the battery. Looks somewhat better today.
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DAMAGE_INC29 said:
Im using xperia arc as of now but im planning to buy sgs2 just for future proofing of a smartphone device..but im reading a lot of negative comments as to overheating aand yellowish tint on the screen and pinkish discoloration in the cam..or all u sgs2 users, can u comment with full honesty on ur device? Iys really my first choice..htc sensation will be my 2nd choice.. Will that overheating be fixed with a firmware upgrade? How bout the cam, battery and discoloration problem?
please please i need a smart and honest opinion..
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I've not had any issues with the items you mentioned. Maybe I'm color blind but I'm not seeing any discoloration.
I have never tried the xperia Arc but between the SGS2 and Sensation, the choice is easy, SGS2. I have both and the Sensation is a real disappointment IMO

Azntopia said:
I feel like everyone is being really picky when it comes to those issues, its just like the whole iPhone's antenna gate problem, it wasn't really a big problem because when i had the iPhone, i never dropped a call. I bet you that you wouldn't even notice the issues if you didn't read this forum
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Lol, but you didn't have AT&T. You don't antenna gate for dropped calls with that network

Buying a new phone for futureproofing is always a bad solution. No matter what, there will ALWAYS be new and better technology in less than a year after (Moore's law applies here too)... when that is said, the SGS2 really is a good candidate for holding on to in the next couple of years. But don't buy a phone, and think it's futureproofed - it's NOT.
If it's shear power, then the SGS2 really is a good choice, forget about the Sensation... it's really not that good!! I will say that the SGS2 is the best phone, i have ever owned... and that is said very honestly!!
If it's shear design... keep your Arc, as it's a very nice phone, and very beautyfull to look at. It also has a good camera, which is slightly better than the 2 other phones, when it comes to taking pictures in the dark. And it has specs, that is okay, and apart from space for apps - it will stand it's grounds for some time yet. And when it can't cut the mustard anymore, the SGS3 will be out...

Tend to agree, you will future proof for about a month or two, with the rate that new android devices arrive the SGS2 will be out of date by Christmas, but that doesn't mean its forgotten, it will be one fast beast for quite some time until the quad cores arrive next year.
The only problem I have is the incredibly slow charging time even on the standard official mains charger.
No pink tint in camera, no or I cant see this screen yellow thing.

Why the need to upgrade from the Arc in the first place? I came from the Nokia 5800, and that thing is just too limited for my use for example. Good thing S2 came out just in time

Azntopia said:
I feel like everyone is being really picky when it comes to those issues, its just like the whole iPhone's antenna gate problem, it wasn't really a big problem because when i had the iPhone, i never dropped a call. I bet you that you wouldn't even notice the issues if you didn't read this forum
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Replacing the battery?

Now before some HTC fan boy shoots me down in flames for suggesting that HTC may have had less than honourable intentions for designing a phone with a fixed battery, please hear me out.
HTC, to stay afloat, require continued sales of the latest and greatest tech. It is quite possible that phone specs will start to plateau out now.
There isn't much use increasing the screen resolution. The ram amount is startinh to exceed laptop computers from a few years back and as for processor and gpu power, unless applications really advance on phones and we start doing things like 3d rendering/modelling or demand to run things like crisis xD, I'm not sure either of these are going to require a massive boost after a few iterations.
So theoretically very soon a great deal of users may be able to use their phones over two year, maybe even three to four if they look after them.
I'm sure HTC and Apple saw this coming and that maybe part of the reason they decided on a non removable battery.
I stress this is my opinion with regards to what might happen in the future of phone tech and HTC's current t business decisions.
My question is, what happens when we want to upgrade our devices? Often they are still more than merely useable!
I personally give all my old phones to my father. Now to give it a new lease of life, on older phones I could potentially have given it a new battery.
When I upgrade from something like the HTC one, and the battery has seen better days, given that li-ion batteries only have a limited amount of recharges, do you think HTC will replace the battery for a fee?

I am actually also curious about this. I give my phone's to my girlfriend usually after 1 year. This year I'm giving her my S3 and have really recommended her to get a new/extended battery to fully enjoy her phone. A year ago I gave her my S2 with an extended battery from Samsung.
But next year, what do I do with the HTC One? I think the One will lose about 20% of it's battery capacity in a year like most phone's, so it would be nice to be able to get a fresh new battery in it next year. Does HTC do these kind of things for customers, and if yes, how much will it cost?

I would imagine you would be able to get the battery replaced for a fee, same as the One X, you may even be able to do it yourself, the same as the One X.
Even possibly replacing it with a bigger capacity one if there is one around of the same size, the same as the One X and the One X+ battery.

It's Li-Po battery... Their charges last longer than Li-Ion
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NiCk.JaY said:
It's Li-Po battery... Their charges last longer than Li-Ion
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The main reason for Li-Po vs regular Li-Ion, is that you can shape the battery into any size/shape you want. According to Wikipedia however, per size, it actually holds less charge
This type has technologically evolved from lithium-ion batteries. The primary difference is that the lithium-salt electrolyte is not held in an organic solvent but in a solid polymer composite such as polyethylene oxide or polyacrylonitrile. The advantages of Li-ion polymer over the lithium-ion design include ″potentially″ lower cost of manufacture,[citation needed] adaptability to a wide variety of packaging shapes, reliability, and ruggedness, with the disadvantage of holding less charge
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I am sure when someone works out how to reliably open the phone, without damaging it, we will start to find ways to change it ourselves. But this is a throwaway society, and the general view is that when the battery has become useless, you throw away the phone. While it is certainly true that you do not see people sturggling to swap batteries on the fly on a phone like the S3 where you can change it....for those that may want to keep a phone more than two years, the One is less than ideal.

But really, what percentage of phone users change their batteries, even if they can? I would say not many.
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Basil3 said:
But really, what percentage of phone users change their batteries, even if they can? I would say not many.
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People used to open the N8 to change that battery. Is the HTC even more sealed, in terms of " It can not be opened, not even with a screwdriver " ?

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People used to open the N8 to change that battery. Is the HTC even more sealed, in terms of " It can not be opened, not even with a screwdriver " ?
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That's the point. I think the uni body constriction of the device kind of hampers this. From what I've seen of the case it looks like it goes right around the edges of the screen. I'm not entirely sure how they yet any of the components in. What makes it worse is by naming it the HTC One all you get in Google searches is results regarding the One X or S etc.
I'm waiting on an iFixit article about it. As for the li-po batteries, thanks for that info. I've never heard of them and I always like learning something new!

Yep, roll on iFixit
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I wrote to HTC support and asked them. They said that they will replace the battery against a fee, so there won't be a problem to change it if one should want to keep the phone longer than two years. (They change it for free during the first two years.)

Just had a thought. I'm still on Galaxy S2 (20months old). To be honest I want to replace it because of unequal screen burn and an increasing yellow tinge to the screen. Phones with AMOLED do not last past battery replacement date.
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drspikes said:
Just had a thought. I'm still on Galaxy S2 (20months old). To be honest I want to replace it because of unequal screen burn and an increasing yellow tinge to the screen. Phones with AMOLED do not last past battery replacement date.
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This is rubbish. 3-year-old Desire which I gave to my wife year ago has flawless display. The whole phone is in fact still like new.
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This is rubbish. 3-year-old Desire which I gave to my wife year ago has flawless display. The whole phone is in fact still like new.
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I have had an s2 s3 note 2 and gnex. Each less than a year and all have had burn in on the screen of some degree.
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It's amoled and it's organic. It's just natural that it burns.
Amoleds are cheap & Environment friendly types of displays that's why samsung prefer them over LCD. 96% of the people using mobile phones don't care about that anyways.

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That's the point. I think the uni body constriction of the device kind of hampers this. From what I've seen of the case it looks like it goes right around the edges of the screen. I'm not entirely sure how they yet any of the components in. What makes it worse is by naming it the HTC One all you get in Google searches is results regarding the One X or S etc.
I'm waiting on an iFixit article about it. As for the li-po batteries, thanks for that info. I've never heard of them and I always like learning something new!
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Try searching like this

Awesome, now I'll never have to see another Justin Bieber link ever again!

Early battery life test

http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-G4-battery-life-test-nothings-changed-since-the-G3_id68951
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Exactly what I posted hours ago on another thread. Hahaha.
It's cool though. This deserves it's own thread actually.
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Skip within the video to 13m:50sec and they pretty much say the same. The G4 does not beat the S6 at least at the moment of testing the pre production units. Hopefully they are still tweaking the OS to get the battery lasting longer.
https://youtu.be/62uub0cHGEM
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Does anyone know if the G3 batteries will work in the G4 or did they change them just enough to not allow compatibility?

LaTropa64 said:
Does anyone know if the G3 batteries will work in the G4 or did they change them just enough to not allow compatibility?
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It can't, unfortunately.

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It can't, unfortunately.
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Dang. That's kind of lame considering they are both 3000mah.
I would understand if the new phone had a larger battery but since it doesn't it kind of seems like a move meant to make those of us that have extra G3 batteries buy even more new batts.

I'm not sure how the S6 could have better battery life, I had it for a week and it was worse than my G3. Horrible standby time. I was hoping the G4 would be better than the G3.
I also saw a post that the G3 battery has small tabs that prevent it from fitting into the G4.

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Dang. That's kind of lame considering they are both 3000mah.
I would understand if the new phone had a larger battery but since it doesn't it kind of seems like a move meant to make those of us that have extra G3 batteries buy even more new batts.
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Makes sense since they want more money, so why make it cross-gen compatible? Don't think any phone has accessories or whatnot what work for more than the current generation of devices. It is lame since they have the same size battery, but that's how it is... sadly. :/

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Makes sense since they want more money, so why make it cross-gen compatible? Don't think any phone has accessories or whatnot what work for more than the current generation of devices. It is lame since they have the same size battery, but that's how it is... sadly. :/
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iPhone accessories last for two years, most of the time.

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I'm not sure how the S6 could have better battery life, I had it for a week and it was worse than my G3. Horrible standby time. I was hoping the G4 would be better than the G3.
I also saw a post that the G3 battery has small tabs that prevent it from fitting into the G4.
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It makes sense given the source. They are not known for their independent reviews. We also don't know their methodology. Their test involved some sort of video playback until the battery died. Given the AMOLED display in the S6 where energy use is proportion to the number of pixels being used and what color (white uses significantly more energy). So if the playback involved night time scenes the S6 would last longer where as if it was bright daytime scenes the G4 would last longer. Neither one would be a far comparison. I highly doubt their battery tests involved real world use given what people have truly been getting on the S6.
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Phone Arena's findings contradict what almost everyone else who has used the G4 has said about the battery life. I'll wait until the phone is officially out and GSMArena posts their review to get a more accurate view of the G4's battery life because they have a published methodology and their battery life database allows you to set custom usage patterns. It's not perfect, but it's better than PA's black box test results that inexplicably put the S6 edge's battery life over the G2.

Droid-Life Tim-O-Tato posted a comparison, but commented that the battery life is good, better than the S6.

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http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-G4-battery-life-test-nothings-changed-since-the-G3_id68951
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We'll see if LG can improve this, but if the battery is comparable to the G3 that means it's noticeably worse than my G2 & not significantly better than even the Optimus G...
Edit: Checked the battery life of the S6 on xda & I'm seeing less than 4.5hrs of SOT for users. I wonder how much these newer phones would benefit from 1080P?
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I have no idea how the battery life on the G4 will be like, but I am not sure about phonearenas testing methods.
They have the iphone 6 plus @ 6.5 hrs and the S6 at over 7 hours.
The 6 plus has excellent battery life.. So I'm not sure how their testing works, but I dont think it always translates to real world use.

LaTropa64 said:
Dang. That's kind of lame considering they are both 3000mah.
I would understand if the new phone had a larger battery but since it doesn't it kind of seems like a move meant to make those of us that have extra G3 batteries buy even more new batts.
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Even the size appears similar, the connectors are different.

Here's an article giving us hope for the G4 battery life. Be sure to read the comments on the bottom of the link as well.
http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...phablets-available-impressive-camera#comments
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My battery has always been pretty good on my G3, I dont know whether I was just extremely lucky with the battery but I almost always get 10 - 14 hrs use.

Ace42 said:
We'll see if LG can improve this, but if the battery is comparable to the G3 that means it's noticeably worse than my G2 & not significantly better than even the Optimus G...
Edit: Checked the battery life of the S6 on xda & I'm seeing less than 4.5hrs of SOT for users. I wonder how much these newer phones would benefit from 1080P?
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I consistently get 4-4.5+ SOT and get through a day easily. WiFi always on, and both wifi calling/volte off
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FluxionFluff said:
Makes sense since they want more money, so why make it cross-gen compatible? Don't think any phone has accessories or whatnot what work for more than the current generation of devices. It is lame since they have the same size battery, but that's how it is... sadly. :/
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You are correct in that it makes sense for them to make them non-compatible so as to make more money, but I still find it to be a rather mean spirited thing for a company to do. I wish that these companies would strive to satisfy the consumer COMPLETELY. They would be known for being a simply and easy-to-work-with company, and their sales would be terrific. Instead, they nickle and dime. But I suppose there's not much we can do about the matter. It is what it is.

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You are correct in that it makes sense for them to make them non-compatible so as to make more money, but I still find it to be a rather mean spirited thing for a company to do. I wish that these companies would strive to satisfy the consumer COMPLETELY. They would be known for being a simply and easy-to-work-with company, and their sales would be terrific. Instead, they nickle and dime. But I suppose there's not much we can do about the matter. It is what it is.
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The only thing that seems to be constant, least in recent years, is that everyone (besides Apple, as their ports have always been different from Android and probably Windows too) uses microUSB ports. How long that'll be the case, who knows? At some point, USB Type-C may become the new standard. Don't think I've seen any phones on the market use that. Only thing I've seen uses that is the new Macbook.

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The only thing that seems to be constant, least in recent years, is that everyone (besides Apple, as their ports have always been different from Android and probably Windows too) uses microUSB ports. How long that'll be the case, who knows? At some point, USB Type-C may become the new standard. Don't think I've seen any phones on the market use that. Only thing I've seen uses that is the new Macbook.
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I hope so. I'm kind of surprised none of the new flagships have it since the Chromebook Pixel and the new Macbook have it now.
One cable to rule them all. USB-C will be it... for awhile.