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Coming From iPhone 3GS - Just my 2cents

I really like this phone! It has a lot of potential but dang, HTC needs to fix some of these issues everyone is having. If they could just get it right the 1st time at least one time. I should'nt have to do all the tweaks / hacks on this forum just to get the phone to work the way it should have out of the box.
Battery issues : Some claim they don't have any issues at all ? Hard to believe.
CDMA Phone searching for GSM signal first : How the heck is the average person supposed know to check and make sure that is setup properly.
This phone can do a lot of things but a Jail-broken iPhone can do the same things. I really want to keep this phone but I am really starting to get frustrated with Android or HTC or whoever it to blame.
My 1 year old 3GS came off the charger at the same time I took my EVO off the charger last night both with 100% battery and 8 hrs later without any use the EVO was at 83%, the iPhone was at 98% and I forgot to turn the wifi off on the iPhone. Periodically throughout the day I checked the iphone and after 16 hrs setting idle it is still at 94%.
No I'm not an Apple fan boy but I must say Apple is doing something right with their operating system. yeah a lot of people are going to say that's because they don't let apps run in the background. Well, I have iPhone 4.0 GM on my 3GS and I have to say that the Multitasking works pretty good.

iphone idles better than evo.
noted.

See that's the good and bad thing about Android, there are many phones to pick from. Nexus one is a very well built phone and the only thing the new iPhone has on nexus is camera on the front, which not enough people have it yet to make a differnce, nexus one with froyo hands down beats iPhone and its only partial froyo. So point is there are better HTC products out with Android
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dmoses1969 said:
If they could just get it right the 1st time at least one time.
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When you purchase a 1st gen device you KNOW going in that it's gonna have problems to be ironed out. Don't want to deal with them? take it back and wait for the 2nd gen next year
Example: There's no way in hell I would buy an iPad due to this fact that it's 1st gen. I already knew before it came out that it would have problems.

muncheroo said:
iphone idles better than evo.
noted.
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Of course it idles better then nearly ANY phone... why do you think people keep complaining about ATT? Note that it is almost always Iphone users that complain about it. The dirty little secrete about Iphones is that they have a terrible radio which idles constantly and disconnects from the towers all the time to save battery... saves a ton of battery but makes it fairly useless as a phone.
I would say compared to my TP on the same network, I get about 90% of the battery time on my Evo, IF I used it the same way... but I use my evo SO much that I actually have to recharge by 4 usually.

ap3604 said:
When you purchase a 1st gen device you KNOW going in that it's gonna have problems to be ironed out. Don't want to deal with them? take it back and wait for the 2nd gen next year
Example: There's no way in hell I would buy an iPad due to this fact that it's 1st gen. I already knew before it came out that it would have problems.
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I can agree with some of that but, This isnt the 1st Gen Android operating system nor is the 1st Gen Sense UI. I believe Android and HTC can make this work a lot better than it does. I think they are trying harder to get more phones on out the door than anything.
The biggest reason people flock to the iPhone, and I hate to say this "It just Works"
But I will probably keep my EVO and work through the issues. I sure am liking Sprints network right now. AT&T blows where I am located.

dmoses1969 said:
I can agree with some of that, but this isn't the 1st gen Android operating system nor is the 1st Gen Sense UI. I believe Android and HTC can make this work a lot better than it does. I think they are trying harder to get more phones on out the door than anything.
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I gotta agree with some of this as well
I would much rather have vanilla 2.1 Android over Sense I think.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think the battery life is great compared to my previous phone. (Which was also an Iphone 3GS).
But I've also had some experience with Android phones before, as I also owned a Nexus one, and a T-moble G1.
First thing I did was install Advanced Task Killer, and setup the auto kill for anytime I turn the screen off. Put the applications I didn't want to get killed in the ignore list, etc.
And if I'm not using something that requires GPS, I keep the GPS turned off. If I'm not in an area using wifi, I keep it turned off as well. Since I do not get 4G in my area, no point in leaving it on to search for it. So I killed that too.
I also didn't change the factory brightness settings, as I found the automatic brightness to be perfect for my eyes.
I easily get the entire day with good use out of my phone.

im starting to think HTC rushed to get these out the door with how quick after the evo release apple unveiled the iphone 4 came out. (sure everyone knew it was coming but w/e) I think htc was trying to avoid the same mistake palm made with the pre.
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muncheroo said:
iphone idles better than evo.
noted.
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Nothing runs in the background, of course it idles better than other smart phones. Apple have super secret battery technology/battery saving drivers.

Sprint battery saving sheet
I picked up a 3 page photocopied document at a Sprint center. 3 pages of applications you should disable in order to save battery. Turn off WiFi, turn off GPS, turn off Amazon MP3 market, which cannot be done because it comes back after 5 minutes.
They are almost telling you to turn off the phone, so you can see how many hours the battery will last!!!!!
Turn it off, and the battery will last many, many hours!!!!

I have also had several other Android phones. HTC Hero original, HTC Desire and MOTO Droid..
They all had issues with making it all day without using some kind of software or hack or having to shut off features to get them to last all day.
Put the iPhone OS in EVO and look out, they couldn't build enough of them.
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ap3604 said:
When you purchase a 1st gen device you KNOW going in that it's gonna have problems to be ironed out. Don't want to deal with them? take it back and wait for the 2nd gen next year
Example: There's no way in hell I would buy an iPad due to this fact that it's 1st gen. I already knew before it came out that it would have problems.
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Yea because the iPad has tons of issues.......? Oh wait, it doesn't. Just like the original iPhone had tons of issues too huh? I like Android, but I'm fed up with HTC hardware, the other manufacturers can't get on the train fast enough.

dsjr2006 said:
Yea because the iPad has tons of issues.......? Oh wait, it doesn't. Just like the original iPhone had tons of issues too huh? I like Android, but I'm fed up with HTC hardware, the other manufacturers can't get on the train fast enough.
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Damn right. I have an iPad and have yet to have a single problem with it. People trying to justify the EVOs problems just give HTC an excuse to keep making low quality stuff. I paid $200 for this and signed a contract for 2 years just to get it. I shouldn't have to worry about battery covers not fitting, framerates being limited, HTC sense being terrible buggy software, screens coming apart, etc.

EVO battery life is FAR superior to my 3GS. i dont have to charge until the 2nd day after full charge. that is of course after i removed all the sprint and amazon crap. this phone is hands down superior to the iphone 3GS. ATT takes the iphone from a great device to a iPod touch that sometimes works as a phone. haven't dropped a single call! also 4G just "started" working for me in LA which is awesome. unfortunately I noticed a huge hit on battery with 4G... i disable it when not using it or i go down so fast i can see the battery losing juice right before my eyes.
i have an iPad 3g and there are certainly issues. my email address got stolen. i know its att's fault but apple chose them so i hold them partially responsible too. wifi is buggy at best for enterprise networks which is bumming people out on our campus. the lack of support for flash is flat out ridiculous for a device that claims to provide a full web experience. couple that with att downsampling just about everything they can over 3g and you start to get fed up.
-jenzo

Why not the Moment?

So a friend of mine recently picked up a new phone, and elected to get the Moment. I've seen people trash the Moment on these boards, but can I get some clear reasons why he should switch to the Hero or pony up the extra hundred bucks for an Evo?
It's his first smartphone, and he's not particularly tied to either the camera or the keyboard, but he's not a particularly easy guy to convince of something. Thanks.

The moment is the only android phone I would classify as a functional brick.
No offense to those who dig it. I like a physical kb too but the moments kb is (imo) a very poor design. Also, slider phones that don't tilt at all just don't feel natural to type on.
The thing is huge width wise too. I don't use a holster or belt clip, I keep my phone in my front left pants pocket. The evo is enormous but it's thin, fits in my pocket perfectly.

http://androidforums.com/samsung-moment/33738-why-do-people-prefer-sprint-htc-hero-over-samsung-moment.html

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http://androidforums.com/samsung-moment/33738-why-do-people-prefer-sprint-htc-hero-over-samsung-moment.html
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Good thread.. but its a little outdated.
Now we have OC kernels that run 32mhz slower then the moment, not much of a difference. Also we have darchdroid, basic android system like the moment has, so its not "laggy" because of sense UI. Also the hero has this site for support, which gives it a huge community.
The Evo.. thats a whole nother story, i would get one in a heart beat if i could. And soon any kinks/bugs will be worked out, specially if you are rooted flashing custom roms, which are worlds better then htc.
We had one guy from here (xda) get a moment (they didnt have a replacement hero for him). And he was ok with it at first, about a month later, he absolutely hated his Moment and wanted to get a Hero again. He has a thread somewhere about it.

Why I dont like the moment is a personal and hardware standpoint. My pet peeve is when the spacebar divides up the keyboard so that drives me insane but that is complete personal bias

4 things you look at from an engineering stand point.
0. Accessibility - It doesn't have to provide desired effects, just USEFUL effects. The battery life (when I had one) was horrid - 5 hours max on a battery charge. Meaning when battery is dead - it doesn't even provide useful data.
1. Reliability - It does what it is supposed to do. When you need it to do it.
Again the battery, and its random CDMA lock ups that require a reboot.
2. Safety - this stands on its own. It can't get anyone hurt.
The thing is a brick, it would cause some sort of back injury lugging that heavy thing around.
3. Security - varies for different things.
this is a cell phone...all are pretty insecure when someone has physical access, not moment specific. But I figured I would throw in the 4th one. And when you get pissed off at it and sling it out a window and someone finds it - it become insecure.
Of course all IMHO.

The moment will always have its place in my heart.... next to my mother in law and the red headed step child
/sarcasm

My girlfriend has the moment and absolutely loves it. She has always loved Samsung phones though.
I told her she could always use it to break a window if needed.

neuro_genesis said:
My girlfriend has the moment and absolutely loves it. She has always loved Samsung phones though.
I told her she could always use it to break a window if needed.
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That was the one benefit I out weighed with the Hero and the Moment.
With the Hero, if I ever drive my car into the lake and need to call 911 -i'd be dead before the dialer started up. However with the moment which also had similar things happen - I could just break the window.

Lets see, I owned a moment for 3 weeks and just went back to the Hero.
My quibbles with the Moment
1) battery life is PITIFUL
2) the phone is very heavy
3) The phone randomly would have data lockups where EVDO would just QUIT working, but the phone wouldn't indicate there was a problem with signal, only fix is reboot
4) The battery indicator software is pathetic, it would show 80% for like 4 hours then just DIE. Even with tweaks the battery code would only show increments in 5%.
5) There is no XDA portal for the Moment.

gunnyman said:
5) There is no XDA portal for the Moment.
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That's because forums with a large presence like this can often sway users form one phone to the next.
My personal experience with the Moment is even though it has a stronger processor it does lack a bit of the umph that the Hero has, but I just don't think the right people have their hands on the kernels and ROMs and such, so the Moment may never be as badass as the Hero in terms of its modifications and things. You can easily make or break a phone's popularity by just the hands that the phone is in.

gunnyman said:
Lets see, I owned a moment for 3 weeks and just went back to the Hero.
My quibbles with the Moment
1) battery life is PITIFUL
2) the phone is very heavy
3) The phone randomly would have data lockups where EVDO would just QUIT working, but the phone wouldn't indicate there was a problem with signal, only fix is reboot
4) The battery indicator software is pathetic, it would show 80% for like 4 hours then just DIE. Even with tweaks the battery code would only show increments in 5%.
5) There is no XDA portal for the Moment.
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Are you saying there will be???
j/k

gunnyman said:
Lets see, I owned a moment for 3 weeks and just went back to the Hero.
My quibbles with the Moment
1) battery life is PITIFUL
2) the phone is very heavy
3) The phone randomly would have data lockups where EVDO would just QUIT working, but the phone wouldn't indicate there was a problem with signal, only fix is reboot
4) The battery indicator software is pathetic, it would show 80% for like 4 hours then just DIE. Even with tweaks the battery code would only show increments in 5%.
5) There is no XDA portal for the Moment.
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Ah, this is great. Thanks for your responses guys.

sheagk said:
Ah, this is great. Thanks for your responses guys.
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The best reason to stick with the Hero is the Dev community. The moment and hero are dead as far as further support/software improvements from sprint. The Devs here with the addition of Cyanogen's team will help insure the Hero is a great phone for a lot longer than the handful of devs on the Moment.

I almost bought the moment because it looked like a nicer phone to me. But the day i went to sprint they were out of them so i got a hero instead. I don't regret it but id love a phone will a hardware keyboard. The moment doesn't have alot of development for it.

iPhone 4 vs. EVO, another opinion.

Yeah, I know, it's been compared 400 times. But, I thought I would make it 401.. because I don't like even numbers.
Anyway, I finally got my hands on an iPhone 4 while at the AT&T store and I walked away with a different opinion than I had without any physical contact.
First off, I think it feels really good in the hand. I had the iPhone 1G, 3G, 3GS (1st gen feeling the best to me.) I like the flat, sharp corners and double glass feel. It's quite different than any other phone I've used. Design wise, it is sexy and very eye catching. the gaps between the bezel (antennas) isn't so sexy though, obviously, this was a half assed attempted at keeping the antennas from creating a bridge and losing service....we all know how well THAT worked.
The Retina Display is breathtaking. while standing at the store, I couldn't see pixels, but, I do have great eye sight, and I'm sure if I was able to sit down and REALLY focus, I would be able to start seeing something. at that time, I could not.
At the same time that I was impressed with the screen, I wasn't impressed that much. I mean, sure, it's SUPER high res and looks fantastic, but when I pulled the EVO out of my pocket and compared side by side. during any typical use where I wasn't examining the phones...LOOKING for "flaws", I wouldn't notice at all.. But what I would and could, and DID notice, was the EVO's huge, pretty (but not "breathtaking") screen. So while, yes, it's "prettier". if you already have a high res screen... it's really not such a revolution. just a nice bump. and personally, I think the larger screen size of the EVO is FAR more useful than a higher resolution.
iOS4 feels nicer than 3.0 did. But after having my EVO since Launch day, the iOS platform just seems so boring in comparison. you get a lot of icons...and.. that's really it, the only way to customize it, or make it look different from the pack is to drop a different wallpaper on it (which, finally, can be done without jailbreaking.) and re-arrange you're icons. whoopee. unless you jailbreak, of course, than you have far more options.
EVO, or more specifically, Android has WAY more options in this field to not only make the phone look unique to you, but also create far different and instant different and personal usable spaces with widgets. I really prefer the android platform for this.
As I couldn't sit there and run down the battery on the iOS4.. I can't compare that. haha, but I have read that the iPhone4's battery is pretty much epic... with enough tweaking, custom ROM and kernel, I can manage decent battery out of the EVO now. about 10hrs heavy use, upwards of 20 with very light usage. Here is hoping that future versions of Android can help with power management, I'm not holding my breath though, as I know Android does far more in the background than iOS. if you have everything syncing all the time, facebook, twitter, flickr, gmail, weather, news, etc. etc. it'll suck down the battery like a diabetic craves Nutella.
With my brief time with the iPhone 4, I walked away loving the design, STILL bored with the OS, shrugging at the Retina Display, still holding contempt for AT&T, and finally, still glad I switched to the EVO.

felacio said:
Yeah, I know, it's been compared 400 times. But, I thought I would make it 401.. because I don't like even numbers.
Anyway, I finally got my hands on an iPhone 4 while at the AT&T store and I walked away with a different opinion than I had without any physical contact.
First off, I think it feels really good in the hand. I had the iPhone 1G, 3G, 3GS (1st gen feeling the best to me.) I like the flat, sharp corners and double glass feel. It's quite different than any other phone I've used. Design wise, it is sexy and very eye catching. the gaps between the bezel (antennas) isn't so sexy though, obviously, this was a half assed attempted at keeping the antennas from creating a bridge and losing service....we all know how well THAT worked.
The Retina Display is breathtaking. while standing at the store, I couldn't see pixels, but, I do have great eye sight, and I'm sure if I was able to sit down and REALLY focus, I would be able to start seeing something. at that time, I could not.
At the same time that I was impressed with the screen, I wasn't impressed that much. I mean, sure, it's SUPER high res and looks fantastic, but when I pulled the EVO out of my pocket and compared side by side. during any typical use where I wasn't examining the phones...LOOKING for "flaws", I wouldn't notice at all.. But what I would and could, and DID notice, was the EVO's huge, pretty (but not "breathtaking") screen. So while, yes, it's "prettier". if you already have a high res screen... it's really not such a revolution. just a nice bump. and personally, I think the larger screen size of the EVO is FAR more useful than a higher resolution.
iOS4 feels nicer than 3.0 did. But after having my EVO since Launch day, the iOS platform just seems so boring in comparison. you get a lot of icons...and.. that's really it, the only way to customize it, or make it look different from the pack is to drop a different wallpaper on it (which, finally, can be done without jailbreaking.) and re-arrange you're icons. whoopee. unless you jailbreak, of course, than you have far more options.
EVO, or more specifically, Android has WAY more options in this field to not only make the phone look unique to you, but also create far different and instant different and personal usable spaces with widgets. I really prefer the android platform for this.
As I couldn't sit there and run down the battery on the iOS4.. I can't compare that. haha, but I have read that the iPhone4's battery is pretty much epic... with enough tweaking, custom ROM and kernel, I can manage decent battery out of the EVO now. about 10hrs heavy use, upwards of 20 with very light usage. Here is hoping that future versions of Android can help with power management, I'm not holding my breath though, as I know Android does far more in the background than iOS. if you have everything syncing all the time, facebook, twitter, flickr, gmail, weather, news, etc. etc. it'll suck down the battery like a diabetic craves Nutella.
With my brief time with the iPhone 4, I walked away loving the design, STILL bored with the OS, shrugging at the Retina Display, still holding contempt for AT&T, and finally, still glad I switched to the EVO.
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Nice review. I also agree that the hi-res screen of the iPhone 4 looks good, but I would rather have a bigger screen. Also if you want epic battery then just go flash baked snack. With that rom and his custom kernel I get around 50 hours with light to moderate usage, and my friend who has the iphone only gets around a day and a half of battery.

CollegeFresh said:
Nice review. I also agree that the hi-res screen of the iPhone 4 looks good, but I would rather have a bigger screen. Also if you want epic battery then just go flash baked snack. With that rom and his custom kernel I get around 50 hours with light to moderate usage, and my friend who has the iphone only gets around a day and a half of battery.
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What kernel are you using with baked snack to get 50hrs?? And how much do you use your phone?

mendez_v said:
What kernel are you using with baked snack to get 50hrs?? And how much do you use your phone?
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+1 Please tell us! I'm using Fresh 3.2.0.0 with the kernel it comes with. I text a lot, and use the internet a lot. I have WeatherBug updating, run gps most of the time (not for Maps, but other stuff) and get maybe 10 hrs of use before I'm down to 20% or less, depending on how much talking I do. I know I could do better if I shut off gps and locations...Oh, yeah, and I have this app, Craigsnotificator running. It downloads craigslist stuff every 15 min...
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do you have to be running the baked Rom in order to use its kernel?

There are a few features that the iPhone has Android beat in. The overall smoothness of the scrolling is better. Pinch to zoom also has a nice smooth effect. I like how Apple makes all of their icons the same shape and size where as Android icons are all over the place. And of course the camera and overall polish is better.
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Something I envy from IPhone... It's VPN works. Without it, Android cannot be rated for business.
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Good review and I agree with all your points. Exactly what I think and tell my friends who ask of my opinion.

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What kernel are you using with baked snack to get 50hrs?? And how much do you use your phone?
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smarcin said:
+1 Please tell us! I'm using Fresh 3.2.0.0 with the kernel it comes with. I text a lot, and use the internet a lot. I have WeatherBug updating, run gps most of the time (not for Maps, but other stuff) and get maybe 10 hrs of use before I'm down to 20% or less, depending on how much talking I do. I know I could do better if I shut off gps and locations...Oh, yeah, and I have this app, Craigsnotificator running. It downloads craigslist stuff every 15 min...
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If you download baked snack 1.7 from Hero's thread it comes default with kernel 6 which is what I use. I also use other tweaks to get long battery such as spareparts end button behavior when go to sleep, ultimate juice (or juice defender), and setCPU with a 245/245 screen off profile.
I used my phone light to moderate for my last charge and got around 50 hours and for my current charge I have been using it moderate to heavy and am at around 30 hours with 34% battery left.
Oh I also use craigslist notification.

A little background, I'm an owner of both and do work in UX/Design/Marketing. That said, overall, they both have positives and negatives but if I were to do a check list, I'd put more positives on the iPhone 4 side.
The user experience in iOS 4 is way ahead of Froyo. There's really no argument here. The EVO w/ Sense was almost intolerable to me. But once I flashed the EVO w/ CM/AOSP, it felt a WHOLE LOT BETTER. Not as good as iOS 4 but definitely good enough. I'm confident that Gingerbread/3.0 will take a huge step towards matching the UX/UI; so as long as I'm on AOSP, I'll be satisfied. But like I said, iOS is just better right now. This also applies to 3rd party apps.
Hardware wise, the GPU in the EVO is a major let down. The back camera on the iPhone 4 seems to be a little better and the front camera is SIGNIFICANTLY better (all despite being smaller MP-wise). The actual display also seems better with the exception that I prefer the 4.3" size of the EVO. In terms of build, the iPhone 4 feels and looks better. And the battery is heck of a lot better on the iPhone 4, but you can make an argument that it doesn't matter since I can generally get more use out of the EVO since I always carry a spare charged battery. Overall, the iPhone 4 is better hardware-wise; and if it was ~4.3", it'd be damn near perfect. Of course the antenna issue is very, very real; and in my case it's way too easy to drop the signal.
So why do I have a EVO? The size is NICE. I also have a huge dependence on Gmail + Google Voice, and you can't beat the integration of both services on Android. Lastly, 4G tethering. I regularly get 6-9 Mbps out of Sprint's WiMax (though I get a respectable 4Mbps w/ the iPhone 4). It's just too bad that I have to nandroid back to Sense for that. Overall though, the EVO is a solid phone that I think will start to take away my attention from the iPhone 4 when Gingerbread finally drops.

Award Tour said:
A little background, I'm an owner of both and do work in UX/Design/Marketing. That said, overall, they both have positives and negatives but if I were to do a check list, I'd put more positives on the iPhone 4 side.
The user experience in iOS 4 is way ahead of Froyo. There's really no argument here. The EVO w/ Sense was almost intolerable to me. But once I flashed the EVO w/ CM/AOSP, it felt a WHOLE LOT BETTER. Not as good as iOS 4 but definitely good enough. I'm confident that Gingerbread/3.0 will take a huge step towards matching the UX/UI; so as long as I'm on AOSP, I'll be satisfied. But like I said, iOS is just better right now. This also applies to 3rd party apps.
Hardware wise, the GPU in the EVO is a major let down. The back camera on the iPhone 4 seems to be a little better and the front camera is SIGNIFICANTLY better (all despite being smaller MP-wise). The actual display also seems better with the exception that I prefer the 4.3" size of the EVO. In terms of build, the iPhone 4 feels and looks better. And the battery is heck of a lot better on the iPhone 4, but you can make an argument that it doesn't matter since I can generally get more use out of the EVO since I always carry a spare charged battery. Overall, the iPhone 4 is better hardware-wise; and if it was ~4.3", it'd be damn near perfect. Of course the antenna issue is very, very real; and in my case it's way too easy to drop the signal.
So why do I have a EVO? The size is NICE. I also have a huge dependence on Gmail + Google Voice, and you can't beat the integration of both services on Android. Lastly, 4G tethering. I regularly get 6-9 Mbps out of Sprint's WiMax (though I get a respectable 4Mbps w/ the iPhone 4). It's just too bad that I have to nandroid back to Sense for that. Overall though, the EVO is a solid phone that I think will start to take away my attention from the iPhone 4 when Gingerbread finally drops.
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Sense can be overwhelming for simple people, but in no way shape or form is iOS better than Android, sorry. The reason the user experience is ahead of it is because its so dumbed down. No options, no configuration, no multitasking, wifi-only video chat, antenna issues, proximity issues.. of course battery last more, the phone does less. And how on Gods earth are you getting 4mbps? I call BS on that one... Battery? I get approximately 24 hours of moderate use on stock 2.1 (give or take). Then again theres no signal in my home so im sure it would be 30+ hours if my signal was strong at home.

DirtyShroomz said:
Sense can be overwhelming for simple people, but in no way shape or form is iOS better than Android, sorry. The reason the user experience is ahead of it is because its so dumbed down. No options, no configuration, no multitasking, wifi-only video chat, antenna issues, proximity issues.. of course battery last more, the phone does less. And how on Gods earth are you getting 4mbps? I call BS on that one... Battery? I get approximately 24 hours of moderate use on stock 2.1 (give or take). Then again theres no signal in my home so im sure it would be 30+ hours if my signal was strong at home.
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Your wrong on a lot of this. UI/UX is subjective.. but I think I have a bit more experience in that field than you. Sense was badly designed, don't agree? Fine, but you'll find it hard to find a professional who disagrees. No multi-tasking? Seriously, where have you been? Multi-tasking is there, and although just semi-introduced to Froyo, the old push notifications are a whole lot better than the battery sucking syncing that Android has. WiFi only video chat? Ever heard of Fring? Yeah, it's on iOS too. Antenna issues, brought it up. 4Mbps, um, HSPA. It's very obvious that you've never used a iPhone 4.

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There are a few features that the iPhone has Android beat in. The overall smoothness of the scrolling is better. Pinch to zoom also has a nice smooth effect. I like how Apple makes all of their icons the same shape and size where as Android icons are all over the place. And of course the camera and overall polish is better.
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I gotta disagree with you there. Using any custom kernel on the forums here and LauncherPro, scrolling through screens and the browser feels smoother than the iPhone.
Pinching and zooming is still rough though. And I do agree about the icons. IPhone, aesthetically is supierior, in terms of symetrics. Lol
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If you download baked snack 1.7 from Hero's thread it comes default with kernel 6 which is what I use. I also use other tweaks to get long battery such as spareparts end button behavior when go to sleep, ultimate juice (or juice defender), and setCPU with a 245/245 screen off profile.
I used my phone light to moderate for my last charge and got around 50 hours and for my current charge I have been using it moderate to heavy and am at around 30 hours with 34% battery left.
Oh I also use craigslist notification.
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... I find that hard to believe. I'm using BS 1. 7 with kernel 6 and with moderate to heavy use I got about 10 hours. Do you have like.. NO widgets? Have it turned off most the day? LOL. Sorry, but 50hrs? Really? You have got to be using a 3500mah battery.
...in 1943, I killed a drifter.

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Your wrong on a lot of this. UI/UX is subjective.. but I think I have a bit more experience in that field than you. Sense was badly designed, don't agree? Fine, but you'll find it hard to find a professional who disagrees. No multi-tasking? Seriously, where have you been? Multi-tasking is there, and although just semi-introduced to Froyo, the old push notifications are a whole lot better than the battery sucking syncing that Android has. WiFi only video chat? Ever heard of Fring? Yeah, it's on iOS too. Antenna issues, brought it up. 4Mbps, um, HSPA. It's very obvious that you've never used a iPhone 4.
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Ha Ha Ha! I lol'd at the push notifications on iOS are better than Android? Think again. Everyone knows the iPhone has the WORST notifications system in the history of phones. It uses a decent amount of power too. Android's syncing isn't all that power consuming, if you set it up right. Push email is about the same on both platforms in terms of power. Sense might not be all that great, but I'll take it over iOS. Seriously, the iPhone homescreen SUCKS. There's absolutely nothing to it. Its just a grid of icons. That shouldn't even be considered design. Anyways, glad to hear someone else's take, but iOS isn't all that great and Android has it beat in a lot of areas, just not out of the box user simplicity. Give someone an Android for a week though, and they'll be running laps around an iPhone power user.

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Your wrong on a lot of this. UI/UX is subjective.. but I think I have a bit more experience in that field than you. Sense was badly designed, don't agree? Fine, but you'll find it hard to find a professional who disagrees. No multi-tasking? Seriously, where have you been? Multi-tasking is there, and although just semi-introduced to Froyo, the old push notifications are a whole lot better than the battery sucking syncing that Android has. WiFi only video chat? Ever heard of Fring? Yeah, it's on iOS too. Antenna issues, brought it up. 4Mbps, um, HSPA. It's very obvious that you've never used a iPhone 4.
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Typical fanboy. Sense = personal opinion... it's SOMETHING compared to iPhone's plain black background (wait you can change it now) but I don't use sense anyway. HSPA, you would be the first person i've ever heard of reaching these speeds, but then again I don't follow AT&T's horrible network. Multi-tasking? Semi-introduced in Froyo? Are you high? Let's not get into that as we both know it really does not exist on the iPhone. Fring... eh i'll give you that, completely forgot about it, but for the sake of arguing if you don't know about it and you're the typical user, you won't hear it about it and are stuck on wifi-only chatting to only other iPhones. Btw, all my syncs happen once a day and all my notifications still come in as they arrive, I don't see a reason why anyone needs anything syncing every 15 minutes.

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Typical fanboy. Sense = personal opinion... it's SOMETHING compared to iPhone's plain black background (wait you can change it now) but I don't use sense anyway. HSPA, you would be the first person i've ever heard of reaching these speeds, but then again I don't follow AT&T's horrible network. Multi-tasking? Semi-introduced in Froyo? Are you high? Let's not get into that as we both know it really does not exist on the iPhone. Fring... eh i'll give you that, completely forgot about it, but for the sake of arguing if you don't know about it and you're the typical user, you won't hear it about it and are stuck on wifi-only chatting to only other iPhones. Btw, all my syncs happen once a day and all my notifications still come in as they arrive, I don't see a reason why anyone needs anything syncing every 15 minutes.
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I agree, sense may not be great, but ill take sense over iOS most days. Gimme vanilla with LauncherPro and ill never look twice at iOS. Apple has such a strangle hold on the market that its counter productive. They ate stifling innovation by having an iron grip on developers, and their ability to release pretty much anything and have the mainstream fall over itself to get one.. no matter how flawed.. is nausiating.
...in 1943, I killed a drifter.

Camera
Camera is the biggest things for me. I compared it to a friends IP4, and he scored a win.. Evo keeped showing blurry faces when people moved around. so disappointing esp when it comes to important moments in your life. IPhone 4 is a good phone, after I got hands on I was impressed, GUI of Iphone still looks and feels like the first gen Iphone.. boring.. I might switch to the EPic

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Ha Ha Ha! I lol'd at the push notifications on iOS are better than Android? Think again. Everyone knows the iPhone has the WORST notifications system in the history of phones. It uses a decent amount of power too. Android's syncing isn't all that power consuming, if you set it up right. Push email is about the same on both platforms in terms of power. Sense might not be all that great, but I'll take it over iOS. Seriously, the iPhone homescreen SUCKS. There's absolutely nothing to it. Its just a grid of icons. That shouldn't even be considered design. Anyways, glad to hear someone else's take, but iOS isn't all that great and Android has it beat in a lot of areas, just not out of the box user simplicity. Give someone an Android for a week though, and they'll be running laps around an iPhone power user.
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What are you talking about? It's obvious that you to don't know what is being discussed. We're talking about cloud based notifications. Let me give you a simple example. On Facebook you can set it to poll data, say, every 15 minutes. So every 15 minutes the Facebook app will use bandwidth/power to check for updates that might not even be there. What iOS has done, and what Android will soon do too, is that it has a server where services like Facebook can ping to notify it that there are new updates, that server then pings the user back and downloads the new data. So you basically get instant notifications only when there is new data to download. This not only saves battery but also gives you near real time notifications.
It's a shame what this discussion has turned into. I look at things objectively, and I can't believe how emotional everybody has gotten over this. I broke my first EVO and bought my second one for full retail. You really thinking I'm some kind of biased fanboy?
I was working on a ton of things for the EVO, including a theme that vastly improves the appearance of HTC Sense but now I'm thinking about keeping it private. If this is how the XDA community really is, I'm probably best off doing that.

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Typical fanboy. Sense = personal opinion... it's SOMETHING compared to iPhone's plain black background (wait you can change it now) but I don't use sense anyway. HSPA, you would be the first person i've ever heard of reaching these speeds, but then again I don't follow AT&T's horrible network. Multi-tasking? Semi-introduced in Froyo? Are you high? Let's not get into that as we both know it really does not exist on the iPhone. Fring... eh i'll give you that, completely forgot about it, but for the sake of arguing if you don't know about it and you're the typical user, you won't hear it about it and are stuck on wifi-only chatting to only other iPhones. Btw, all my syncs happen once a day and all my notifications still come in as they arrive, I don't see a reason why anyone needs anything syncing every 15 minutes.
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A quick last response, and my last in this thread.
Multi-tasking works just about the same in iOS as it does in Froyo. Look up the architecture/APIs and see for yourself. What was semi-introduced to Froyo is cloud based notifications. You argument about fring can be said about Android too. HSPA certainly reaches those speeds, and to be honest, I didn't realize it until I started testing the speed of my EVO/4G. Take care my friend. Hopefully one day you can become a fan of good tech instead of imaginary lines.

As a former AT&T customer......
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Sense can be overwhelming for simple people, but in no way shape or form is iOS better than Android, sorry. The reason the user experience is ahead of it is because its so dumbed down. No options, no configuration, no multitasking, wifi-only video chat, antenna issues, proximity issues.. of course battery last more, the phone does less. And how on Gods earth are you getting 4mbps? I call BS on that one... Battery? I get approximately 24 hours of moderate use on stock 2.1 (give or take). Then again theres no signal in my home so im sure it would be 30+ hours if my signal was strong at home.
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Agree.....agree....agree. 4mbps.....I wanted to wait to see who called BS on that one. Maybe on WiFi. Never over the network did I see speeds even CLOSE to that (and I understand the IP4 has such significant upgrades to it that the bottleneck loosens a bit, but THAT much as compared to 3g...i don't know).
After 2 years of using the 3g I can say I got tired of it after 1. Way too dumbed down. Android DOES what Iphone 2-3-4 can't do....out of the box.
Root your Android....there is just simply no comparison. Retina display? Over......size and close resolution? I don't understand higher resolutions on a tiny screen anyhow.
It is a pretty phone....the IP4. Ill give ya that, and overall pretty good, but there is a reason android is gaining in market share and IP4 is loosing its 54%. There are several reasons (all hugely valid) in fact, but Ill let someone else list those....i'm rambling. All of this rambling is just from a prior AT&T user who got tired of the charging for an addiction to something that is, overall, and inferior drug. So, now, I get my better drug from a different dealer......unlimited...and at a cheaper price.

Pre > Epic > Evo > back to Epic

For anyone trying to decide between the Evo and Epic, here is my take after having each for at least 2 weeks as my primary phone. These are just my opinions as everyone has different tastes
I must be an exception to the rule...I switched from a Palm Pre to the Epic for a couple weeks. I liked swype so much I decided to drop the epic for the evo.
After using an Evo for two weeks I traded it back for an Epic and I like the Epic much better for a few reasons.
First I didn't care for HTC Sense. I like the gallery, email, music player, calendar, and various apps included with the Epic better than HTC's versions. Also, HTC doesn't ship a file browser or task manager whereas Samsung does. Some people will say "just install one from the market" but those typically all have ads. I realize you can remove the ads with a host file, but that’s beside the point. These are basic OS functions that should be included.
Second the Epic feels much faster. Scrolling is smoother and games run better. Froyo or not, it’s faster.
Third…contrary to what you may believe it is MUCH easier to root an Epic. With the Epic you can essentially take the long way or the shortcut 1-click method but the Evo HW0004 currently there is only a long somewhat difficult root process.
Fourth, everyone complains that the dev community is so much better for the Evo. I would argue that this community is really top notch and has been extremely helpful and understanding to new users such as myself. I saw a lot more flaming going on in Evo forums.
Finally the hardware: Something overlooked by many, the Epic is way more comfortable to hold. Turns out rounded corners are round for a reason. After browsing the web & xda for about 30 min on the Evo I noticed the center of my palm, right where the bottom corner rests was a tad sore, almost felt bruised. This is not a problem with the Epic with its nicely rounded body and curved back. Also the earpiece is much better on the Epic, its louder clearer and is more comfortable up to the ear. And yes, the samoled screen is worth the 0.3” loss in size.
I wouldn't even consider the Evo Shift at this point. I'm shocked to see so many people recommending it over the Epic which to me is well worth the higher price.

If they fix the keyboard issues, GPS issues, and battery life issues I would agree with you that the Epic 4G is definitely the best phone on Sprint. If a Droid or the iPhone had even one of these issues, all of the media outlets would be up in arms and there would be mass returns. They are all MAJOR issues. For some reason, Samsung is allowed to get away with it on the Galaxy S devices. People are not really returning their devices in large numbers (as far as I know), and all of the reviewers gave the Galaxy S devices very high scores.
The reality is this is essentially a device with alpha or beta quality software on it, that is not getting fixed until at least six months after release. I am not buying Samsung again for mobile phones.

I have to agree with op. Best phone i ever had, and i have had quite a few smartphones. even before official froyo, it runs much smoothr than the few evos i played with. Gps, keyboard is perfect for me. And the screen is amazing.....
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Stock Evo vs. Epic battery life is within 5% I would say. I couldn't tell any difference in my usage. Probably because I am almost always within Wi-fi range which makes a big difference.
Keyboard on the Epic doesn't impress, I'll agree with you. Thats probably why I use swype most of the time. It is very handy to punch in passwords though.
GPS is better on the Evo. If you are a road warrior I would avoid the Galexy S line. That said, if you enable GPS & wireless networks it will place you on the map within 30 seconds, but it is definitely not as accurate as the Evo. Supposedly Samsung is working on improvements.
Thanks for bringing up some points I didn't include!

thechicgeak said:
If they fix the keyboard issues, GPS issues, and battery life issues I would agree with you that the Epic 4G is definitely the best phone on Sprint. If a Droid or the iPhone had even one of these issues, all of the media outlets would be up in arms and there would be mass returns. They are all MAJOR issues. For some reason, Samsung is allowed to get away with it on the Galaxy S devices. People are not really returning their devices in large numbers (as far as I know), and all of the reviewers gave the Galaxy S devices very high scores.
The reality is this is essentially a device with alpha or beta quality software on it, that is not getting fixed until at least six months after release. I am not buying Samsung again for mobile phones.
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A. The keyboard is the only legitimate argument you have here.
B. Most users who buy the epic(and yes, the users who root and are members of this forum are the minority) do not see a GPS problem. I didn't even notice one till I started reading this forum and trying to replicate the problem. I have two friends with Epics, and they have never complained of the GPS not working.
C. The battery is no worse than the Evo, and that is a fact. Read on both forums and you will see that everyone gets VERY comparable operating times. Unfortunately with screen this big and clear, you aren't going to get the battery life of other phones. Have you seen the screens on Evo and Epic compared to iphone and droid? They are night and day difference, and the product of that is battery life.
If you go to the Droid forums you will see complaints as well, however because 80% of the public does not have the same demand as the users of forums like this, the complaints are not escalated as highly. The high end techies complain about everything that is not perfect, cause techies are never satisfied, I should know, I am in that boat. However, that does not mean we are holding a inferior piece of hardware/software. Outside of this forum, I have never met a normal person dissatisfied with their Epic or Evo.

I was in a sprint store last week getting a replacement Epic so while waiting i did about 15 seperate 4g bandwidth tests with the floor demo and my replacement Epic comparing it it side to side with the Evo. I'm disappointed to say not only did the Evo best the Epic every time in some instances it nearly doubled the speed. It regularly was 1-3 megabits a second faster and the fastest speed for a Epic was 7.2 megs and the Evo was 10 megs. I also noticed that even though we were in a full coverage area the Epic would go from full to no bars for some unknown reason. The Evo must have a better antenna or the Epic has some reception issues. Has anyone else tested this out?

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...C. The battery is no worse than the Evo, and that is a fact. Read on both forums and you will see that everyone gets VERY comparable operating times. Unfortunately with screen this big and clear, you aren't going to get the battery life of other phones. Have you seen the screens on Evo and Epic compared to iphone and droid? They are night and day difference, and the product of that is battery life...
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I'm going to chime in here and state that the Epic's 45-nm S5PC110 is ~20% more power efficient than the EVO's 65-nm QSD8650. The SAMOLED on the Epic does eat more juice than the EVO's LCD when cranked all the way up or when displaying lots of white pages, but when displaying dark colors and blacks it can sip less energy.

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A. The keyboard is the only legitimate argument you have here.
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Agreed, the keyboard is junk on this device. I am not sure if it is software, hardware, or both that causes the missed keys. Hopefully it is just software issues...
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B. Most users who buy the epic(and yes, the users who root and are members of this forum are the minority) do not see a GPS problem. I didn't even notice one till I started reading this forum and trying to replicate the problem. I have two friends with Epics, and they have never complained of the GPS not working.
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I can see how for some people, the GPS issues are not a big deal, but it is for people who do not want to do any sort of hacking whatsoever to help decrease the long lock times. Not the end of the world, I'll grant you that, but my point is that this would not be accepted on any other major mobile phone, so why is it so accepted on the Galaxy S devices? Look at how up in arms people were about the iPhone 4's relatively minor "death grip" problem.
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C. The battery is no worse than the Evo, and that is a fact. Read on both forums and you will see that everyone gets VERY comparable operating times. Unfortunately with screen this big and clear, you aren't going to get the battery life of other phones. Have you seen the screens on Evo and Epic compared to iphone and droid? They are night and day difference, and the product of that is battery life.
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When it works as it should, it can have great battery life (mine under DK28 works great and I get around 20 to 30 hours on a charge with moderate usage). That being said, there are problems in the software that, on some phones under certain conditions, cause absurdly bad battery life (10% battery drain or more per hour while idle, which is how mine was until I upgraded to DK28 and how my friends' Fascinates are) and cause the phone to heat up considerably while idle. I have only ever heard of this happening with Galaxy S phones. Either way, frequent updates from Samsung and getting the latest Android release reasonably fast would mitigate this complaint for me, but that doesn't happen, so it is a legitimate complaint.
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If you go to the Droid forums you will see complaints as well, however because 80% of the public does not have the same demand as the users of forums like this, the complaints are not escalated as highly. The high end techies complain about everything that is not perfect, cause techies are never satisfied, I should know, I am in that boat. However, that does not mean we are holding a inferior piece of hardware/software. Outside of this forum, I have never met a normal person dissatisfied with their Epic or Evo.
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I will agree that many people expect too much out of their smart phones. 20 to 30 hours is not enough for many people. That being said, 10 hour battery life doing absolutely nothing with the phone is completely ridiculous, and it is a legitimate software problem with the Galaxy S devices.
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I believe every phone's capabilities have to do with their "abuse" levels. Higher the abuse, lower the satisfaction. And, with higher abuse there will be more frequent visits to the Sprint store than usual.
I got my Epic on the day it came out (8/30/2010) and I have to admit this is a very beautiful phone with nice features. And the custom roms just spice it up even more (with less abuse of course)

If you have 10% drain an hour then you have app issues or something running in the background. On eclair I was getting 60 - 80 hours with no problem. On froyo it has been 20 - 30 hours now with ext 4 its up to 55 hours
Our stock standby time is 300 hours evo is like 200.
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Since im replying from my phone and I don't feel like editing a quote I'll just say that the gps is a MAJOR issue as I was never able to use it until I started having my phone. Considering gps is such a basic feature nowadays that is unacceptable.
Sent from my ext4 Epic 4G running Bonsai4all 1.1.3!

so far so good
I'm always tempted by the path not chosen, but so far the Epic has done everything I've needed it to do.
I drive for a living, and while the GPS does take time to lock, it does lock. Otherwise I can find myself on the map and plot my route on the map to at least start my travels until it does lock. I consider this to be standard GPS protocol :/
I could really care less about the keyboard, but for some reason Sprint has designated the slider as their form factor of choice since the PPC-6700. It misses keys, and I thought it was just me, but I'll just have to factor that in and type more carefully. But only the form factor and the OS have been real temptations for me.
I was in the market to replace my Flip camera, and when i saw the video comparisons between the Evo and the Epic, I knew I would be very disappointed with the Evo. And while it may not matter to some, I appreciate the dedicated 2 step camera button.
I'm also feel I'm in the minority when I say that I really like plug location. I leave the phone plugged in while I drive, and it's nice to not have to stow the phone upside down and have to hold it around the plug. This has been a plus with every Samsung phone I have had, the ability to charge it in the upright position. And I cannot tell you how much I adore the slide cover of the plug.
The screen looks great from any angle even in bright light I can see it better than I could ever see the screen on my TP2.
Now, is the phone light and cheap feeling? Possibly. But I would rather drop a light phone than a heavy phone. Think about it. I already dropped it once trying to take a picture of something on the floor. Wood floor, no harm, lesson learned. But the phone seems well put together, and it should last at least the year before I can upgrade to, whatever.
4G, eh, whatever. I play with it in Chicago, and it's iffy at best. They basically tacked on an extra radio, and I mostly pretend it's not there. However, it does grant the ability to do simultaneous voice and data, which will be a plus if this network ever expands and takes hold.
So even though I am sick to death of waiting for Froyo since I'm checking on it every day, I still know I made the right choice as far as what Sprint has to offer.

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I also noticed that even though we were in a full coverage area the Epic would go from full to no bars for some unknown reason.
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This happens to me all the time. Months ago there were some posts postulating that this problem may be because the Epic's network defaults to "WCDMA preferred" under the advanced network settings, and WCDMA, despite its name, is actually a protocol for GSM phones, not CDMA phones. The thought is that it preferentially periodically goes looking for these networks it cannot connect to.
I have found that switching this setting to "CDMA auto" causes my "time without signal" to drop from ~50% to about 4%, so there's probably something to that argument. Unfortunately the phone seems to change itself back, especially when it reboots, and in any case I still get the bars dropping away quite often, even after changing this.

Phreddo said:
I'm also feel I'm in the minority when I say that I really like plug location. I leave the phone plugged in while I drive, and it's nice to not have to stow the phone upside down and have to hold it around the plug.
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I also like the plug where it is, though I didn't think I would when I got it. It is so much nicer than a bottom or side plug, not only when plugged into the car, but also when plugged in anywhere else, especially at the computer.

I really like my Epic over the Evo. My cuz has an Evo and it looks and feels so big and square, I really don't think I'd like carrying that thing in my pocket, like I carry my Evo. And for me, Evo's screen is actually larger than needed. I lived without a keyboard for two years with my HTC Touch and now, I can't go without a keyboard. I personally find Swype to be inaccurate and I constantly had to make adjustments. I use the android keyboard when not typing on the keyboard.

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This happens to me all the time. Months ago there were some posts postulating that this problem may be because the Epic's network defaults to "WCDMA preferred" under the advanced network settings, and WCDMA, despite its name, is actually a protocol for GSM phones, not CDMA phones. The thought is that it preferentially periodically goes looking for these networks it cannot connect to.
I have found that switching this setting to "CDMA auto" causes my "time without signal" to drop from ~50% to about 4%, so there's probably something to that argument. Unfortunately the phone seems to change itself back, especially when it reboots, and in any case I still get the bars dropping away quite often, even after changing this.
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I too noticed that in the settings. When I switch to CDMA auto, the bars were almost always full or close to full even when I was in areas that historically gave me a bad signal. Unfortunately, the phone swtiches back to WCDMA and I go back to my normal, high-and-low signal.

One final note as I am actually switching to an evo today. On the topic of task killers the one included with the epic is crap. It does not show programs samsung does not want you ending and so I've always used advanced task killer. To me GPS that works and manufacturer support far outweigh the need for a manufacturer supplied task killer.
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kenvan19 said:
One final note as I am actually switching to an evo today. On the topic of task killers the one included with the epic is crap. It does not show programs samsung does not want you ending and so I've always used advanced task killer. To me GPS that works and manufacturer support far outweigh the need for a manufacturer supplied task killer.
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I think I'm switching to the Epic but I haven't considered the GPS issue. I just assume I'll get a good one. lol. To me, the screen, the still and video camera are reasons to switch. Though the dev community doesn't seem as robust for Epic and the manufacturer support clearly isn't there as well.

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I think I'm switching to the Epic but I haven't considered the GPS issue. I just assume I'll get a good one. lol. To me, the screen, the still and video camera are reasons to switch. Though the dev community doesn't seem as robust for Epic and the manufacturer support clearly isn't there as well.
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You can get GPS working you just have to be on DK28. If you like the phone by all means get it. It comes down to opinions and my opinion is that there really isn't anything I like about the Epic. Its got great graphics and a good camera but I have a 42" flatscreen+a PS3 for gaming and I have a 12mp camera for pictures, I don't need my phone to do those things. Sure, having a hardware keyboard is great but considering I have to slow my typing speed down so I don't miss letters and how much I've come to love swype I don't really want/need it anymore. I've said this in the Evo Shift vs Epic thread and I'll say it here: Go try both phones. If you like one more than the other, buy it. Manufacturers and Carriers are always going to skew their descriptions and spec sheets to get you to buy something, so just go with what you want.

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If you have 10% drain an hour then you have app issues or something running in the background. On eclair I was getting 60 - 80 hours with no problem. On froyo it has been 20 - 30 hours now with ext 4 its up to 55 hours
Our stock standby time is 300 hours evo is like 200.
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I am not quite sure exactly what it is, but it seems to be restricted to Galaxy S phones. I spent quite a lot of time trying to figure out what was causing it on my phone, and while I have heard of people like you who got good battery life in 2.1, everyone I know who has a Galaxy S device has this issue. Judging by the fact that for me and others, 2.2 has cleared up the issue, I am guessing there is a fix specifically for this in that update.
For the record, I once ran logcat to see if I could pinpoint the issue. It seemed that Google Sync was querying Google's servers CONSTANTLY even though I had configured to push in GMail, so it could be an issue with Android or the GMail app itself, but why it seems to manifest on Galaxy S devices with alarming frequency is beyond me.

Overall feeling of the phone thus far...

Hey guys,
Can you share your overall feeling with the usage of the phone so far? I have seen O2x users complaining how badly their phone is and would like to know the general feeling of S2 users.
Thanks in advance.

....there are plenty of threads with ppl giving their opinions on this phone? Why don't you read a little more?
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Or we could leave our opinion as he asked.
I have many issues with this one but they are all related to software, and i will be applying root to my one so it does not bother me.
But i was using an iphone 4 and it isn't as smooth a transition, wifi is chewing battery, but that's really all .
But i love the freedom of the os so i will suck it up for now.

If you're considering an O2X, run, run fast and far. I had its illegitimate offspring the G2X and it was hands-down the worst phone I've ever owned. The price for it in the U.S. has dropped to "free" with new service and it's been out for only five weeks. I've only had my phone since Monday but so far I like it a lot. I (knock on wood) don't seem to be having the battery issues others are and I expect the SGS2 to get about 16 hours with moderate usage. It's been getting 11-12 with me on it constantly tinkering. Also, Samsung's already issued two updates so I'd imagine things will only get better. If you want a high-end phone the Sensation will be out soon. I think that's a more relevant comparison than anything produced by LG.

Not overly impressed with mine.
I originally came from an iphone 4, had a HTC Desire HD for a few days, til someone at work made me an offer I couldn't refuse for it.
Then I bought the S2.
As much as the S2 is a better equipped phone
i.e
Camera
Dual Core
Better Battery
AMOLED screen
I still prefer the user interface etc of the HTC
I would say try the sensation when available, but apparently its Locked for modding.
I am considering the Optimus 3D myself as the S2's are fetching more money on fleabay than I orignally paid.
All I can suggest is try before you buy if possible.

Devices ive owned in the last year.
Samsung Vibrant(Most consistently used)
HTC HD2( Love the modding)
Atrix(POS device, this made my decision easier but decent battery life)
LG G2x(Decent device, wasnt impressed)
Motorola Milestone(My favorite)
Xperia X10(decent device, great music player)
Iphone 4(my fiance phone)
I have absolutely none of the problems that other users are having. Ive had it for 2-3 weeks now. My battery life is amazing and getting through my workday plus some. My screen is very vibrant and have no issues. Size/Weight is perfect for me and device feels very sturdy. No lag whatsoever and apps run very smoothly with no crashes since owning. I can only see this device getting better with age once developement start. We have some great Devs coming to work with the sgs2.
I dont think much of iphones and I think this is the phone to beat. I like the look of sense but I think it lost alot of functionality since window mobile days. We all have to wait and see what the htc sensation has to offer. I think it will be the usual htc offering, 3steps forward 2steps back.
The only real con for alot of people is the non support for games without tegra 2 processors. But I dont care for games much(not enough time) aslong as Live Holdem Poker and angry birds work.

impressions
excitement at first then boredom now excitement again looks like this phone is going to be a ripper when all the guru's start to work on it----roms themes etc etc

Besides the GPS, data, screen and battery issues, this thing rocks!

FishTaco said:
Besides the GPS, data, screen and battery issues, this thing rocks!
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Let's play a game. I'll go first. Assuming there are at least a hundred thousand SGS2's in the wild already, what percentage do you think have the problems you indicated?
GPS - My guess is <10% and the cause has still not been isolated and isn't consistent
Data - My guess is <15% with an unknown amount attributed to specific carrier, SIM, or router issues
Screen - My guess is <2%
Battery - <25% and again, some people are getting appropriate performance for an Amoled dual-core phone meaning it's not a universal problem
The first three work great for me and battery seems OK so far but I want to use the phone normally (instead of constantly playing with it) before declaring victory.
P.S. - I see in the Sensation vs. SGS2 thread you're getting a Sensation. Let's see what the front page of the Sensation board looks like three weeks after launch. Especially considering it'll be loaded with T-Mobile crapware and specific changes they've demanded of HTC. I hope for both T-Mobile and its customers that the launch goes better than the G2X launch.

BarryH_GEG said:
Let's play a game. I'll go first. Assuming there are at least a hundred thousand SGS2's in the wild already, what percentage do you think have the problems you indicated?
GPS - My guess is <10% and the cause has still not been isolated and isn't consistent
Data - My guess is <15% with an unknown amount attributed to specific carrier, SIM, or router issues
Screen - My guess is <2%
Battery - <25% and again, some people are getting appropriate performance for an Amoled dual-core phone meaning it's not a universal problem
The first three work great for me and battery seems OK so far but I want to use the phone normally (instead of constantly playing with it) before declaring victory.
P.S. - I see in the Sensation vs. SGS2 thread you're getting a Sensation. Let's see what the front page of the Sensation board looks like three weeks after launch. Especially considering it'll be loaded with T-Mobile crapware and specific changes they've demanded of HTC. I hope for both T-Mobile and its customers that the launch goes better than the G2X launch.
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I am lost, whose side are you on??
You claim that between 24.999% and 51.999% of all SGS2 have some kind of a problem?

The SGS2 is going to be the HD2 of 2009.
It's the first phone out with all the top specs that from now, will set the standard.
HTC do NOT have amoled or a 1.2ghz dual core cpu.
I have been a big fan of HTC since I had the XDA EXEC. But sadly HTC have not done anything that great recently. I am also not a fan of the htc Sense.
I have used the HD2 for the past two years and this was my introduction to android too.
the SGS2 is my first native android device and, Whilst I didnt like touchwiz that much at first (Has a very much Iphone-esk feel to it) I have soon learnt how to get around it, and how to use the different connectivity modes (Kies 2.0/Kies air etc)
This phone is outstanding, And Samsung have done them selves proud.
The general feel of the phone makes you think its a cheap dummy phone. Its all plastic and SOOO light, It only seems to weigh as much as the battery does.
The screen is just brilliant, Great colours and amazing blacks, When the screen is black it blends so well with the screen bezel that it looks like there is no screen. If you have a few icons against a black screen, It looks like they are stickers planted on - It's that good!!!
I have a friend who is a big Apple Iphone fan, He has just come from the Iphone 4 and really loves it for how smooth and responsive it is. He did say he wished there was more pixles and he also seems to have an issue with how fast the battery dies - But he uses the phone purely for the internet, generally watching tons of flash in desktop mode. It runs as well as a PC, it's that good!
This forum is picking up fast and quite frankly I cant wait to see what roms come about, this phone is future proof and blows every other phone out of the water. Try running an N64 emulator with 0 frame skip - It's flawless. Try that on a Desire HD, It's laggy really bad. The dual core really comes into its own here.
Amazing phone, Amazing screen, Similar battery consumption as a HD2, Great UI when you get used to it and great connectivity for getting your files off your phone. Oh, And 16GB internal memory!... Wow!

Amazing phone so far. Battery life is good eniugh to get me through a day and loving the fact samsung pre installed 'my files' and 'downloads'. I do like the touchwiz app drawer a lot because of folders and horizontal scrolling. The only thing i would want on this phone would be the ability to set default homescreen on TW. Or someone could make a sense 3.0 ROM?
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Thanks for your inputs guys. I certainly have a better idea of whether to get this phone or the nexus s. Battery life is a very big factor to my phone criteria.
Thanks once again.