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N1 vs. Desire HD - Worth upgrading?

Hi guys,
Wonddering if I could get your thoughts about the step up that the Desire HD will be in terms of performance and functionality? I have the option of upgrading to one for an extra $120.
Pros I can think of so far:
- 4.3" vs 3.7" screen but not that much bigger weight/size wise
- More RAM
- 1.5GB onboard memory
- Faster 45nm Snapdragon processor
- Better Camera (8MP), dual LED flash - according to the engadget review though its still a "camera phone" and thus is only really for random snaps.
Cons:
- Same problem as G2 (Desire Z) with only temporary root
- If the above problem is not solved, slower updates, no custom ROMs
Any other thoughts? My other concern is that the bigger screen aside, performance and functionality wise it doesn't do anything in particular that the N1 can't. However, is $120 a cheap enough jump?
Look forward to your thoughts.
cheers

My recommendation is to wait for the Christmas. Google may have a surprise for us (nexus 2? Probably not, but maybe something else), Samsung just said they are announcing a new phone on Nov 3..

Im thinking of upgrading also! Will wait around for a bit longer though

I'm sitting tight until I see more infos about the rumored N2

Yes, it is. I want to. I love the new Sense UI.
I might just wait until Motorola's and HTC's Tegra 2 dual core phones show up Christmas.

DarkDvr said:
Samsung just said they are announcing a new phone on Nov 3..
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Link / proof of this?

Paul22000 said:
Link / proof of this?
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http://www.droid-life.com/2010/10/25/samsung-announcing-new-android-device-on-november-8th/

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http://www.droid-life.com/2010/10/25/samsung-announcing-new-android-device-on-november-8th/
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Thanks. Nov 8th* though, not 3rd. Should be interesting...

I have both and I must say, the big screen makes SO MUCH of a difference!
When I put them side by side, the HD's screen just looks amazing! Clear and sharp, I have to remind myself that its still at the same resolution.
And of course, watching movies, reading comics, books, playing games, etc. is all much better.
I think its worth the upgrade.
Another point - No more worrying about A2SD. My N1 has A2SD enabled to be able to take the number of apps I have installed (DHD has same apps and also 680MB free mem still).
The battery life, OTOH, is still to be tested. I know I get great battery life with enomther's rom on my N1. The DHD feels more like I have cyanogen's rom on it

liqn7 said:
Hi guys,
Wonddering if I could get your thoughts about the step up that the Desire HD will be in terms of performance and functionality? I have the option of upgrading to one for an extra $120.
Pros I can think of so far:
- 4.3" vs 3.7" screen but not that much bigger weight/size wise
- More RAM
- 1.5GB onboard memory
- Faster 45nm Snapdragon processor
- Better Camera (8MP), dual LED flash - according to the engadget review though its still a "camera phone" and thus is only really for random snaps.
Cons:
- Same problem as G2 (Desire Z) with only temporary root
- If the above problem is not solved, slower updates, no custom ROMs
Any other thoughts? My other concern is that the bigger screen aside, performance and functionality wise it doesn't do anything in particular that the N1 can't. However, is $120 a cheap enough jump?
Look forward to your thoughts.
cheers
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I want the desirehd as well, but theres two things im gonna wait for... 1 - permament root, 2 - 2.3 based CM rom.
Thats my two cents.
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I personally won't go with any phone that cannot have permanent root. I like to tinker too much.

Paul22000 said:
Thanks. Nov 8th* though, not 3rd. Should be interesting...
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Woops, 8, not 3. Sorry.

Thanks for the input everyone. I'll see what happens when it arrives in 2 weeks. I think at this stage the only thing which would make me keep it is for the extra 0.6" screen size.
I'm also getting a 10" tablet too, so the extra size may be redundant as I transfer some of my tasks across.

My question to you, OP, is how often are you capable of upgrading your phone? Are you gonna be stuck with this phone for a while? If you're financially capable of upgrading let's say every 6 months with no problem at all, then i don't see why not, more phones to play with. You'd still be able to get the next best thing come first half of next year.

I don't upgrade all that often for the sake of it. I've recalculated (correctly) and its actually going to cost me $270 for the upgrade
Which in my opinion probably isn't worth it in regards to the step up it provides relative to the N1.
If I really want to upgrade I might get a Vibrant, which has similar specs to the Desire HD, but which is about the same price as the N1 at the moment.
Thanks for your input!

Dhd is a mean phone, no bones about it but the no hacking thing is a little bit of a turn off for me.
Gonna wait for a bit to see what the nexus two will be like first. After all the google phone will always be the development phone and ergo the hackers phone.
For a person who doesn't wish to hack and just wants a good phone I would recommend the dhd over anything else on the market right now however.
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It does look pretty smart but the one thing I would say is 4.3" isn't very friendly on the thumb if your hands are of an average/large size.
I get to play with a lot of phones and the Touch HD and Nexus One/Desire thereafter were built with the optimum size screen for touch/visibility (in my opinion).
I used an HD7 today and just like the HD2 it looks great but it really is a stretch to use one hand to operate all areas of the screen.
It's definitly impressive but I should be able to hold my cuppa in one hand and browse etc with the other.
I really hope with the big willy competition going on with the manufacturers that the usability (which lets be honest is checking mails,texts, social media and browsing for most users) isn't completely forgotten about.
Hopefully 3.7" will survive.

dr.m0x said:
Dhd is a mean phone, no bones about it but the no hacking thing is a little bit of a turn off for me.
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+1 the temp root thing is making me wary of changing too.
Hopefully it gets solved, but like the Droid it may never be..
Nothing against the DHD itself, but thanks guys for reinforcing that relative to the N1 the DHD is not that much of a step up.

So a mate got this phone last night. I had a play around with it for a little bit. ITS BLOODY HUGE!! 4.3" i think is just too big! Build quality etc seems very good. nice screen but just a bit to big for my liking! Has some nice new options though with Sense 2.0
At work we got the Omnia 7 (WP7) which has a 4" screen. Now this i think is the perfect size!

I upgraded to a desire hd after my nexus one broke. The desire hd feels a lot more expensive than the nexus but in my opinion not worth an upgrade. I miss the hackability of my old nexus and I especially miss cyanogen mod.
Don't get me wrong, overclocking the desire hd to speeds around 1.5ghz added with the better gpu makes for one hell of a speedy device. It's a great phone but its not that much better

I'm completely satisfied with the Atrix so far.

I have been reading tons of gripes and woes about the Atrix. I picked mine up this morning at 9am. So far, here are my thoughts and feelings - broken down by Pros (+) and Cons (-).
+The display is pretty. It is not a retina display, but it does not claim to be. It is a high resolution display that works surprisingly well in sunlight (trust me, I just returned the inspire, which was unreadable in real light). The text looks crisp, images look great. Its not perfect, but it is current. Sure, if you put your eye an inch from the display you can see some pixels - I am basing this comment off realistic viewing distances and I think it looks great.
+The phone is fast. Really fast. If you are worried about animations being slow - just disable them - screens load instantly.
+++The BATTERY - Best. Hands down best part of the phone. You can take advantage of android, all of its syncing...everything. and get a day. With smart use (and if you don't need to sync social things on their own) you can get much more out of it.
+Phone is tiny, feels great in the hand.
+One click root at launch - can't beat it. For me, removing (freezing) the bloat is 3/4 the battle.
- The haptic feedback thing pisses me off, but whatever. The battery is big enough.

acPIZZA said:
- The haptic feedback thing pisses me off, but whatever. The battery is big enough.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11562515&postcount=13

Xarinn said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11562515&postcount=13
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Yes, we know this, and it is disabled. I am referring to the four android buttons at the bottom.
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I love the phone so far. I have a new minor niggles with it, but overall, it's a TON better than my captivate. The sound, the haptic, etc are all so much better, and the build quality of the phone seems INFINITELY better.
I'll deal with the small stuff for now, I know we'll get them taken care of. This thing is 100x better than that captivate was when I pulled it out of the box... I couldn't imagine being forced to use the stock ROM on that thing! It was so slow, it reminded me of my Magic!

acPIZZA said:
Yes, we know this, and it is disabled. I am referring to the four android buttons at the bottom.
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Do you really see that big of a difference in battery life with haptic disabled?

acPIZZA said:
I have been reading tons of gripes and woes about the Atrix. I picked mine up this morning at 9am. So far, here are my thoughts and feelings - broken down by Pros (+) and Cons (-).
+The display is pretty. It is not a retina display, but it does not claim to be. It is a high resolution display that works surprisingly well in sunlight (trust me, I just returned the inspire, which was unreadable in real light). The text looks crisp, images look great. Its not perfect, but it is current. Sure, if you put your eye an inch from the display you can see some pixels - I am basing this comment off realistic viewing distances and I think it looks great.
+The phone is fast. Really fast. If you are worried about animations being slow - just disable them - screens load instantly.
+++The BATTERY - Best. Hands down best part of the phone. You can take advantage of android, all of its syncing...everything. and get a day. With smart use (and if you don't need to sync social things on their own) you can get much more out of it.
+Phone is tiny, feels great in the hand.
+One click root at launch - can't beat it. For me, removing (freezing) the bloat is 3/4 the battle.
- The haptic feedback thing pisses me off, but whatever. The battery is big enough.
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I agree with you. I am going to sell my EVO and replace with the Atrix.
the EVO has great features but the Atrix is better IMHO
You listed my reasons almost exactly as in order I would too! the battery lasts ALL day with normal use for me which included playing WSOP poker game listening to music and about 50 text messages and about 10 minutes of calls and about 15 minutes of web use and emails. I love the custom ROMS with the EVO but I can't hold that against the Atrix. But the roms will come later....
I am satisfied enough to cancel service with sprint and sell my EVO!!
I installed ADW Launcher and it makes things a lot more easier to use.....
This thing is FAST!

DarkSi08 said:
Do you really see that big of a difference in battery life with haptic disabled?
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It is not really a question of battery life, it just annoying.
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Phone speeds are garbage, the bootloader is revolting. Android Froyo is ancient. This phone is wasting its credentials. It went to harvard and is working as a toll booth operator.

How is froyo ancient when every single device out but the nexus has it?

"Completely" satisfied... no.
The data speed issues really have me rethinking the phone.
FroYo with Moto Blur... I can live with it for now, but 2.3 needs to come quick.
Being able to root it from day one was a pleasant surprise, so having the ability to preform some tweaks helps.

sdlopez83 said:
Phone speeds are garbage, the bootloader is revolting. Android Froyo is ancient. This phone is wasting its credentials. It went to harvard and is working as a toll booth operator.
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Please do us all a favor and return your Atrix (if you have one). It seems from other posts you have in the other threads that you really dislike the phone. So please return it and you will be much happier.....

jamezr said:
I agree with you. I am going to sell my EVO and replace with the Atrix.
the EVO has great features but the Atrix is better IMHO
You listed my reasons almost exactly as in order I would too! the battery lasts ALL day with normal use for me which included playing WSOP poker game listening to music and about 50 text messages and about 10 minutes of calls and about 15 minutes of web use and emails. I love the custom ROMS with the EVO but I can't hold that against the Atrix. But the roms will come later....
I am satisfied enough to cancel service with sprint and sell my EVO!!
I installed ADW Launcher and it makes things a lot more easier to use.....
This thing is FAST!
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I'm also super happy with it.
My only complaint is the screen size... coming from an HD2 (evo essentially) it's Freaking TINY. It's a challenge to adjust to.
The phone is ridiculously nice though, I have all the accessories and they're also SICK... the laptop dock is a LITTLE off... but that's really just personal preferences... my brother loves the laptop dock... I think it's beautiful and nice but I don't like the keyboard or the lack of a scroll pad on the touch pad. You can just pop a USB mouse into it though or use a Bluetooth mouse then it's RIDICULOUS nice.

sdlopez83 said:
Phone speeds are garbage, the bootloader is revolting. Android Froyo is ancient. This phone is wasting its credentials. It went to harvard and is working as a toll booth operator.
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You're trolling quite a bit here, nicely done.
Froyo is ancient, but there are only 2 phones as of today with official builds of Gingerbread and those are the 2 dev phones....developer phones...get it?
The Atrix is super fast so not sure where the garbage comment comes from. The bootloader is locked and you would have known that when you bought it so don't act so damned surprised. You should definitely return the phone asap so we don't have to read any more of your comments.
Obvious troll is obvious.

jamezr said:
Please do us all a favor and return your Atrix (if you have one). It seems from other posts you have in the other threads that you really dislike the phone. So please return it and you will be much happier.....
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This.

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This.
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Yup.
Every slight imperfection of the phone (except for I think the haptic feedback thing) was touched upon in Engadgets review. If you didn't know what you were in for then it is your own fault.

Two Cents
Went to the store today, and it is a top of the line phone. I've been inches away from purchasing twice.
I can deal with the locked bootloader, but not the capped Upload Speeds and impact on download. The downloads at the store was getting the 2.5Mbps but the upload never crossed 300Kbps. Until this is fixed, I am on the sidelines anxious to jump in.

I have a Nexus S and One still and I am very happy with this Atrix 4G. It is very fast and functional.
My only concerns is the par camera, not as good as the Nexus S screen, and no more ginger bready goodness.
I'm going to keep the Atrix 4G, at least until an ATT Nexus S releases.

Same for me. I'll wait to see if att can fix their network or see what Verizon LTE has to offer. IMHO it really doesn't matter how fast the hardware might be if it only sips data through a straw.
sent from my Ginger EVO

Agreed.
For an out of the box Smartphone it is very fast. Rooted within 15 minutes of ownership, Wireless tethering within 20! All I have left is to find a reliable Call Record or be able to change the phone app to include it and I am 100% with it. Not willing to experiment that much without a reliable image. One day, the Dev's here are awesome!
Thanks to Designgears for making this happen before it was even released!

Atrix questions

I had the Samsung Captivate before but it's gone now so I'm needing another phone and so far the Atrix looks like a winner.
1) How is the battery life compared to the Captivate?
2) Can you easily remove all of the Motoblur bloat?
3) Are the problems with the display noticeable? http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/4
4) Are there anything bad/buggy about this phone?
5) What about the random reboots and the poor connection/radio?
Thanks everyone, especially the developers who spend their time working on mods and roms for everyone to benefit from.

I've also had the Captivate so I'll try to answer these for you.
1. My battery has been excellent, especially for an Android phone. I have no trouble getting through my day of fairly heavy usage.
2. I didn't remove anything, but it's an extremely easy phone to root.
3. Not a dev, but I believe no custom roms until it's cracked.
4. I love the display, personally. There are spec nazis out there who see Pentile and will say it sucks without ever seeing one in person. It's not a saturated color wise as the Captivate but it's a very nice natural looking display.
5. I've had no bugs as of yet and I got mine the morning of launch. I've seen others mention random reboots, but have not had any.
6. The only other Android device I'd consider is the Inspire. I had that and exchanged for the Atrix and I prefer the Atrix. It's much more future proof with the Tegra 2 and it's faster overall. I also ran speedtest app today on both at the same time. Ran the test 10 times and the Atrix killed it each time even they're both hspa+ devices. Screen is bigger on the Inspire, but I prefer the look of the atrix display. Inspire build quality is very good with unibody design, but battery cover sucks (along with the battery) and the headphone jack is at the bottom which I hate. Speakers are much, much louder on the Moto as well.

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I've also had the Captivate so I'll try to answer these for you.
1. My battery has been excellent, especially for an Android phone. I have no trouble getting through my day of fairly heavy usage.
2. I didn't remove anything, but it's an extremely easy phone to root.
3. Not a dev, but I believe no custom roms until it's cracked.
4. I love the display, personally. There are spec nazis out there who see Pentile and will say it sucks without ever seeing one in person. It's not a saturated color wise as the Captivate but it's a very nice natural looking display.
5. I've had no bugs as of yet and I got mine the morning of launch. I've seen others mention random reboots, but have not had any.
6. The only other Android device I'd consider is the Inspire. I had that and exchanged for the Atrix and I prefer the Atrix. It's much more future proof with the Tegra 2 and it's faster overall. I also ran speedtest app today on both at the same time. Ran the test 10 times and the Atrix killed it each time even they're both hspa+ devices. Screen is bigger on the Inspire, but I prefer the look of the atrix display. Inspire build quality is very good with unibody design, but battery cover sucks (along with the battery) and the headphone jack is at the bottom which I hate. Speakers are much, much louder on the Moto as well.
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Only thing holding me back is hearing about the battery life in this thread: http://androidforums.com/motorola-atrix-4g/283111-motorola-atrix-battery-life.html
On my captivate I could go 2, sometimes 3 full days without charging with moderate use to mild use. I want to be able to forget to charge my phone and still be able to use it the next day.

Well... i don't HEAVILY use my phone.... but i unplugged it around noon, and by close to midnight i think it was around 70% or so (forgot to look before i plugged it in again). If you don't go widget-happy, like the one guy at Best Buy that i was in line behind apparently did because he complained about horrible battery life with his new Android phone and returned it for an iPhone 4, your battery will last a fair bit. I wouldn't exactly expect to get DAYS of use out of it, especially if you have it fairly frequently checking for new email's and such, and tend to use your phone extremely often... but you'll probably get at least maybe a day and a half... possibly two........ hard to say really without knowing how much you use your phone.

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Well... i don't HEAVILY use my phone.... but i unplugged it around noon, and by close to midnight i think it was around 70% or so (forgot to look before i plugged it in again). If you don't go widget-happy, like the one guy at Best Buy that i was in line behind apparently did because he complained about horrible battery life with his new Android phone and returned it for an iPhone 4, your battery will last a fair bit. I wouldn't exactly expect to get DAYS of use out of it, especially if you have it fairly frequently checking for new email's and such, and tend to use your phone extremely often... but you'll probably get at least maybe a day and a half... possibly two........ hard to say really without knowing how much you use your phone.
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Sounds good. How is the screen? Do you notice blurriness, discoloration, over/under saturation/contrast, pixelation, or anything bad? Also, can you remove all of the AT&T/Moto bloatware so your phone feels like a stock android phone?

You can choose not to use the blur widgets and the standard Android widgets are there. Launcherpro is the home replacement of choice for me if I use one. You can get really great looking widgets through it as well. In my experience blur has not slowed the phone down at all though.
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1) How is the battery life compared to the Captivate?
Better, and the phone doesn't heat up like the Captivate as well. It is more efficient and although more powerful and faster, it still has better battery life and temperature control.
2) Can you easily remove all of the Motoblur bloat?
If you root it you could freeze the applicarions I guess; you can't completely remove motoblur itself though.
3) What are the limits for developers with a locked bootloader?
You can have a ROM but no custom kernel. That means no overclocking and the like.
4) Are the problems with the display noticeable?
I didn't see any; the pixel density is higher and that means everything is clearer aand smaller. But... I guess you could say that it isn't as fluid as the Samsung's AMOLED.
5) Are there anything bad/buggy about this phone?
I didn't encounter any problems with mine.
6) What good AT&T Android phones are out there besides the Captivate, the Atrix, and the Aria?
The Inspire is a good one; the Galaxy S 2 will come out at the end of this month/next month.
However, if you are looking at something else I highly suggest looking at the Nexus 1

What about the random reboots and the poor connection/radio?

Tehwall said:
I had the Samsung Captivate before but it's gone now so I'm needing another phone and so far the Atrix looks like a winner.
1) How is the battery life compared to the Captivate?
2) Can you easily remove all of the Motoblur bloat?
3) What are the limits for developers with a locked bootloader?
4) Are the problems with the display noticeable? http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/4
5) Are there anything bad/buggy about this phone?
6) What good AT&T Android phones are out there besides the Captivate, the Atrix, and the Aria?
Thanks everyone, especially the developers who spend their time working on mods and roms for everyone to benefit from.
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1. about the same running hardcore uv kernal and dark 9.3
2. you can use launcher pro which pretty much masks it
3. the current limits for this are bad until bootloader is unlocked
4.i would say if like me you came from SAMOLED, at first it would look horrible. the screen color is pretty accurate
5. stock music player going off by itself.

I too came from a captivate and i have not had any reboots or problems with the radio. That is the main reason i left my cappy. I have horrible service at work and at home ( where i spend most of my time) and i could never get a signal. I had better signal with my iphone. My biggest disappointment is the screen....nothing will beat a s amoled. The atrix will look washed out next to it but the screen is clearer especially text. I wont miss the amoled eating all the battery though. The battery on the atrix is amazing. Im a fairly heavy user and i get through the day with no issues. As far as motoblur.....its not as ugly as TW. Some things look close to stock android some dont. I have been trying to install stock android apps and freezing the motoblur ones....so far so good....if we can get kernel access and get a speedmod kernel this phone would be unreal. I recommend this if yourlooking to make the jump.
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Few questions to nexus one owners

Hello everyone. I recently got tired bit of HD2 and would like to get a new phone. Nexus one and moto defy are in my price range. What are your thoughts on N1? Is battery life good? What about screen, is it of nice quality?
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You're better off getting something newer.

Unfortunately there are no better phones for $270, off contract, that will work on t-mobile USA network
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I think you've answered your own question then?

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I think you've answered your own question then?
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Hm, but both, defy and N1, cost ~$270 new in box.
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Personally, I'd go with the N1, but it depends on what your intentions are (my criteria relies on dev support, etc).
I feel that the battery use is heavy, but I can't compare to the defy. I think the screen display is great, and while you can complain about fuzzyness, or whatever from the pentile I still think it's more than adequate (though it struggles in sunlight). The multi touch issue may be a problem if you want to game etc, but I don't game and never have a problem with the digitizer.
Each phone has it's own problems, as does the N1. It's just a matter of matching your needs to the right phone...

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Personally, I'd go with the N1, but it depends on what your intentions are (my criteria relies on dev support, etc).
I feel that the battery use is heavy, but I can't compare to the defy. I think the screen display is great, and while you can complain about fuzzyness, or whatever from the pentile I still think it's more than adequate (though it struggles in sunlight). The multi touch issue may be a problem if you want to game etc, but I don't game and never have a problem with the digitizer.
Each phone has it's own problems, as does the N1. It's just a matter of matching your needs to the right phone...
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Well I should have started with what I expect from it. I do a lot of browsing, reading, and most important - watching videos via flash player and Skyfire. I do gaming, some MMO and strategy/building.
What do you mean by fuzzyness?
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N1 is a great phone, and has a lot of life left. Have you thought about a g2x? Its a new phone but there are quite a few for sale, and fairly cheaply. Its got a great screen IMHO and would be better suited for gaming and video watching.
But after 18 months I'm still on my nexus one and its as able as ever.
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I'm also trying to decide between these two phones, I want to buy one used and cheap. Please tell your opinions about both.
I don't like motorola because of locked bootloaders. Now it is possible to install roms but it may be tricky. I would like run ubuntu or backtrack ok the phone, so I guess I should choose nexus. However, what are the things you don't like in a nexus one? Is it not multi touch? does it have 3d chip? Is it so bad for games? Any other issues

gimiento said:
N1 is a great phone, and has a lot of life left. Have you thought about a g2x? Its a new phone but there are quite a few for sale, and fairly cheaply. Its got a great screen IMHO and would be better suited for gaming and video watching.
But after 18 months I'm still on my nexus one and its as able as ever.
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g2x seems to have dozens of issues. Starting from random reboots, all the way to loss of signal. I was thinking of it too, but I somehow do not trust LG brand that much

the defy is more of a mid range phone while the n1 is/was high end.
the processor on the defy is quite slow and you will notice a speed difference.
the n1 screen is also a lot nicer due to higher res and amoled as well as actual size.
is performance doesn't matter too much then the choice is more about size, do you prefer a larger screen or smaller phone..?

I sold my brand new mytouch 4g on ebay for the going rate of around $280.
Not a horrible phone in terms of speed. T-mobile too.
N1 is prettier tho.

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g2x seems to have dozens of issues. Starting from random reboots, all the way to loss of signal. I was thinking of it too, but I somehow do not trust LG brand that much
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I have a g2x (about to sell), got a cheap upgrade and my phone was totally free of problems. CM7 is now running pretty smooth on it, making it a great phone in my opinion. I ended up reverting back to my N1 because I like the form factor, the g2x just a little too big. I'm now banking on the next Nexus, really hoping that they put a 4" screen (which I really enjoyed on my g2x) in a smaller build.
That said, the N1 is rock solid. Its a known quantity, the issues are negligible, and there has been a ton of development contributing to a great little machine. CM7 on it is just fantastic and only getting better, making N1, 18 months since its introduction, a better and better phone (my battery life with the latest CM nightlies is best its ever been).

behelit said:
the defy is more of a mid range phone while the n1 is/was high end.
the processor on the defy is quite slow and you will notice a speed difference.
the n1 screen is also a lot nicer due to higher res and amoled as well as actual size.
is performance doesn't matter too much then the choice is more about size, do you prefer a larger screen or smaller phone..?
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I believe they both have 3.7 displays. What about Adreno 200 GPU? I believe I have the same CPU and GPU on my HTC HD2, but you know, this phone is not native to android OS, so would Nexus One's performance be better than one of HTC HD2?

danger-rat said something related to the fuzziness of the screen. Can someone please explain that to me. I have never held Nexus One in my hands.
Personally, I'd go with the N1, but it depends on what your intentions are (my criteria relies on dev support, etc).
I feel that the battery use is heavy, but I can't compare to the defy. I think the screen display is great, and while you can complain about fuzzyness, or whatever from the pentile I still think it's more than adequate (though it struggles in sunlight). The multi touch issue may be a problem if you want to game etc, but I don't game and never have a problem with the digitizer.
Each phone has it's own problems, as does the N1. It's just a matter of matching your needs to the right phone...
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AntonJart said:
danger-rat said something related to the fuzziness of the screen. Can someone please explain that to me. I have never held Nexus One in my hands.
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Some say the pentile layout used in AMOLED in N1 causes the text not sharp enough. I guess it is what fuzziness means.
But personally I can't really tell the difference. Plus, you may try to find a 2nd hand SLCD N1 instead of AMOLED one.
AMOLED seems a bit too saturated for me, while some of my friends praise it... picking SLCD or AMOLED will be your own personal choice
One thing for certain is that the MT on N1 is far from perfect, and it is a hardware issue, there is no solution (and never will be) to the crappy MT performance on N1.
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Thanks for the reply
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One thing for certain is that the MT on N1 is far from perfect, and it is a hardware issue, there is no solution (and never will be) to the crappy MT performance on N1.
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I just saw that on youtube. It is not good, unfortunately

I bought an N1 when It came out and loved it. Over time the little issues the N1 had started to annoy me. So I bought an HD2 and put android on it. To me HD2>N1

grimmjaw said:
I bought an N1 when It came out and loved it. Over time the little issues the N1 had started to annoy me. So I bought an HD2 and put android on it. To me HD2>N1
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I have HD2 now. I am tired of battery life now. It gets top 4-5 hours while playing. I had to carry portable charger at work)

Well Anton
I have an N1 and i have to say it is really the best phone i have ever held...
But it is not perfect, it has a few problems which depending on you, may be a deal breaker:
1- Internal memory is only 512mb, out of which, only 192 mb is dedicated for apps... which leaves you with next to nothing ... of course this is all solved with apps 2sd, darktremor or other solutions, they remain in the end, a work around... So it is not as good as having a good internal memory storage.
2- is the lack of front camera, which for me, makes the phone lacking in terms of future growth, especially when all handhelds get video calling apps like tango or skype, and you would be stuck behind the curve.
N1 vs defy:
My friend just got a defy, it has a smaller screen than the N1 and a lower processor speed than the N1, but it comes with water resistant and shock resistant features which are a bonus.
In the end its up to u... and what you like.
For me, I love the N1's community support, the HUGE list of custom roms and modifications, and the amazing trackball and the trackball LED notifications. As well as its cool looks and the fact that it kinda still is Google's flagship phone and an amazingly sturdy and cool phone... I love it!
Edit: oh and as for battery life, I am getting much better performance on CM7.1 RC1 than i used to get when it was froyo, I usually get 1.5 days with average use and smart usage (wifi/bluetooth/3g off unless i need them and screen brightness on auto)

Buying a Nexus One - Few queries

Hi guys, I m buying a Nexus One. I just have a few queries regarding the phone.
1: The N1 is running on OS 2.3.6 but the Quadrant scores are around 1100. Is it because its not rooted? Any good custom kernels available?
2: How's the performance of the phone? I mean HD gaming, 3D, etc. I own a Galaxy S and its variant from T-Mobile (Vibrant) and do not want to get disappointed by the performance of N1.
3: Any known issues/checks that I need to do before buying the phone?
Last question: Any hardware/software bugs?
Comments much appreciated.
Thanks,
Dinesh.

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Hi guys, I m buying a Nexus One. I just have a few queries regarding the phone.
1: The N1 is running on OS 2.3.6 but the Quadrant scores are around 1100. Is it because its not rooted? Any good custom kernels available?
2: How's the performance of the phone? I mean HD gaming, 3D, etc. I own a Galaxy S and its variant from T-Mobile (Vibrant) and do not want to get disappointed by the performance of N1.
3: Any known issues/checks that I need to do before buying the phone?
Last question: Any hardware/software bugs?
Comments much appreciated.
Thanks,
Dinesh.
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I can't answering the first two question's simply because I don't really do gaming and quadrant tests on mine.
-The Power Button on the N1 is a problem or could be a problem. You will see several members on here have had this issue. I personally have had to send mine back to HTC to get the power button fixed.
- The touchscreen sucks flat out lol. This is a known issue as well. Only thing you can do is turn it on and off and the screen will be calibrated again.
- Limited room for apps on the internal memory. That is when you do some kind of apps to sd type thing.
Aside from that it really is a great phone. I enjoy mine.

While I love my N1 to death (and will have a seriously hard time parting with it when I decide to upgrade), I can't honestly recommend this phone to anyone anymore. There are sooo many other phones out there with better hardware for the same price or less. The limited internal space of the N1 is a huge downfall. Granted, that can be alleviated a bit with various app2sdext options out there, but that is a hassle. Also, as hogg2500 mentioned, the powerbutton and touchscreen issues are really problematic.
Save yourself the money and get a more modern phone. The N1 is almost 2 years old, and while it was an awesome phone for its time (and it still holds up fairly well the newer competition), for the current price and the specs of the device, I just don't think it is worth it to buy.

lifehijack said:
Hi guys, I m buying a Nexus One. I just have a few queries regarding the phone.
1: The N1 is running on OS 2.3.6 but the Quadrant scores are around 1100. Is it because its not rooted? Any good custom kernels available?
2: How's the performance of the phone? I mean HD gaming, 3D, etc. I own a Galaxy S and its variant from T-Mobile (Vibrant) and do not want to get disappointed by the performance of N1.
3: Any known issues/checks that I need to do before buying the phone?
Last question: Any hardware/software bugs?
Comments much appreciated.
Thanks,
Dinesh.
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1. quadrant scores mean nothing. i mean.. literally.. nothing. dont worry about it..
2. the n1 runs games very smoothly.. havent had any problems as long as you dont have 424252534 apps running at once lol
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- the problem of low internal storage means nothing when you have a class 6 microsd with a2sd or s2e
- some people have a power button problem. ive never faced this.
- the touchscreen works. the problem is, sometimes it gets a little weird thinking youre pushing buttons youre not close to lol. on certain kernels it happens often, but on others it rarely ever happens. also, multitouch has the axis crossing problem like most phones from its time. even my buddys nexus s sort of has that problem.
theres not much more i could ask for. (a slide-out qwerty woulda been nice ) although its almost reaching 2 years of age i can still use this phone for a few years. theres nothing new that has caught my attention in both hardware features and design.. theyre just little upgrades here and there. nothing to WOW me..
btw, there are 2 versions. AMOLED and SLCD.. the amoled has very clean looking colours..blacks are BLACK you know but with slcd you get a sharper crisper picture though.

Agree with bass and grimey,
But if you are paying 250.00 or more, actually more than 199.00, I would wait for the Nexus Prime
But, as bass said there are some awesome phones out there, many have Sense which some don't like
I am waiting for the Prime and ICS
Also, depends on your needs and expectations of your next phone--there are two big issues with N1 as mentioned--Pwr Button and Touchscreen are BIG. I also think Signal Strength sucks--IMHO

Go for the desire S,better hardware for the same price,and it looks better!

One of the nicest features of the N1 is the illuminated trackball.

raymond555 said:
Go for the desire S,better hardware for the same price,and it looks better!
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i really REALLY wanted this phone but it didnt support AWS (1700mhz/2100mhz) .. but atleast i get a very useful colourful trackball

I just bought a N1 today off craigslist. Glad you asked these questions so i knew what to look for when i was buying. I followed all the advice of the other posters and i didn't find any problems at the time of purchase or after. Granted i've only had it for a few hours but just heed the advice given above check for the problems noted.

My N1 is still going strong. No power button issues, never really had any touch screen issues. Internal storage is a bit small. I think it really depends on what you want it for. As a PHONE (which all these devices really are first and foremost), it is one of the best call quality phones around. I always have a great conversation. Never dropped a call, and no static either, or any issues with voice at all. The earpiece may be a bit low for some, but it's fine for me. All current day apps run silky smooth. I Haven't found one that doesn't work. I haven't rooted it, but I have used "SetInstallLocation 2", so apps that aren't meant to be on the SD I now have there, so room really isn't an issue. I love the trackball notifications. All in all it's a great phone that still holds its own today. The look, feel, and finish makes it 1st class all the way.

bobbyphoenix said:
My N1 is still going strong. No power button issues, never really had any touch screen issues. Internal storage is a bit small. I think it really depends on what you want it for. As a PHONE (which all these devices really are first and foremost), it is one of the best call quality phones around. I always have a great conversation. Never dropped a call, and no static either, or any issues with voice at all. The earpiece may be a bit low for some, but it's fine for me. All current day apps run silky smooth. I Haven't found one that doesn't work. I haven't rooted it, but I have used "SetInstallLocation 2", so apps that aren't meant to be on the SD I now have there, so room really isn't an issue. I love the trackball notifications. All in all it's a great phone that still holds its own today. The look, feel, and finish makes it 1st class all the way.
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What notifications app do you use?

bobbyphoenix said:
I haven't rooted it, but I have used "SetInstallLocation 2", so apps that aren't meant to be on the SD I now have there, so room really isn't an issue.
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OMG, thank you for this. Had never heard about it (and have remained unrooted). Just gave myself a pile of extra space. Phone seems speedier now, too.

bkrill said:
What notifications app do you use?
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None. The stock notifications work well enough for me. White=Call, Blue=Text, Green=Message. I may have them mixed up, but they flash different for each instance.

bobbyphoenix said:
None. The stock notifications work well enough for me. White=Call, Blue=Text, Green=Message. I may have them mixed up, but they flash different for each instance.
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AFAIK stock notifications were all white! (until they stopped working)

geemaan said:
AFAIK stock notifications were all white! (until they stopped working)
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It used to be all white until I think FroYo. They definitely change colors now on stock Gingerbread.