So let's match up the latest contender against the current king of "pocketables" (our beloved Tab 7.7) in terms of hardware:
Specs of the main rivals (as of Nov 2012):
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Galaxy Tab 7.7 iPad Mini Nexus 7 Kindle Fire HD
Dimensions 196.7 x 133 x 7.9 mm 200 x 134.7 x 7.2 mm 198.5 x 120 x 10.5 mm 193 x 137 x 10.3 mm
Weight 340 g 308 g 340 g 395 g
Resolution 1280 x 800 1024 x 768 1280 x 800 1280 x 800
Screen 7.7" 196 ppi 7.9" 162 ppi 7.0" 216 ppi 7.0" 216 ppi
Cams 3.15 & 2 MP 5 & 1 MP 1.2 MP 1.3 MP
Micro-SD yes no no no
CPU Dual-core 1.4 GHz A9 Dual-core 1 Ghz A9 Quad-core 1.3 GHz A9 Dual-core 1.2 GHz A9
GPU Mali-400MP PowerVR SGX MP4+ GeForce PowerVR SGX540
RAM 1 GB 512 MB 1 GB 512 MB
GPS yes no yes no
Misc voice call support NFC
Verdict:
Dimensions: draw
Weight: iPad Mini
Resolution: Tab 7.7
Screen: Tab 7.7
Cams: draw
Micro-SD: Tab 7.7
CPU: Tab 7.7
GPU: Tab 7.7
RAM: Tab 7.7
GPS: Tab 7.7
Looking at the hardware it looks like a clear win for the Tab 7.7.
For those looking for LTE data: supported by both Verizon's Tab 7.7 and iPad Mini LTE version
So, to summarize the iPad Mini:
The Good: light weight, good back cam
The Bad: front cam, no expandable memory, no USB peripheral connectivity, no GPS
The Ugly: 162ppi (in 2012) is going to be pushing it when reading full size PDFs, non-uniform bezel not really great design choice
What do you guys think?
The only good thing here, is that there will be a lot of accessories for the ipad mini and there is a slight chance that some of these might fit the 7.7 .
I do feel that samsung might come out with another amoled tab in january at CES but I could be wrong.
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The only good thing here, is that there will be a lot of accessories for the ipad mini and there is a slight chance that some of these might fit the 7.7 .
I do feel that samsung might come out with another amoled tab in january at CES but I could be wrong.
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I hope so too. A 7.7 successor with stylus, 1920x1080 (286 ppi) screen and wireless charging would be a game changer.
Accessories wise I'm pretty happy handling the device without any bulky covers; and the screen protectors won't be compatible, not sure what the Mini could contribute..
I'll pass on the Mini, if only to have it just play with. One dealbreaker too many -- no microsd slot. End of story.
I might jump ship for a Asus padphone 2
Tab 7.7 definitely wins here. The iPad mini isn't worth it.
Tab 7.7 has the native Voice Call !!!!!
Absolutely the must-have feature.
7.7 original innovation. Ipad Mini same as ipad 2 but smaller no innovation. And waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to expensive for it to compete with anything else. Sure the 7.7 was over $600 US but I would gladly pay that anytime over a shrunken down version of an old product
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While the hardware of the 7.7 is great and the fact that Samsung got it right on the size (a fraction of an inch really does matter in the 7inch tablet market) -- Apple's advantage is it's ecosystem. It is a fact that their tablets will be upgraded to iOS7 and iOS8. Until Android and/or Samsung get down to a good software support model we won't win. Give me a 7.7 Nexus that has an annual software update and isn't discontinued and I think I'll be happy.
Agreed the Gtab 7.7 is superior, and it was a device announced in 2011!
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While the hardware of the 7.7 is great and the fact that Samsung got it right on the size (a fraction of an inch really does matter in the 7inch tablet market) -- Apple's advantage is it's ecosystem. It is a fact that their tablets will be upgraded to iOS7 and iOS8. Until Android and/or Samsung get down to a good software support model we won't win. Give me a 7.7 Nexus that has an annual software update and isn't discontinued and I think I'll be happy.
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As long as some people from Team Hacksung don't jump ship, we'll have newer OSs. The 7.7 is mostly the same as a Galaxy SII, and almost the same as a Note. Both devices are being worked on by people from the Team, and most of the Exynos 4212's stupidities are known and somewhat understood. Although our device isn't as well supported as the Note, we will get whatever CM version the Note gets; right now locerra is working to avoid the rough edges, but if he stops doing so someone from the community will step up. We won't get a TouchWiz Android 4.2+, but we will get it (and future versions) on AOSP.
A 1024x768 4:3 screen vs 1280x800 SAMOLED+? It's not even fair.
Apparently the Mini doesn't include a GPS either, whereas the Tab7.7 comes out of the box with GPS enabled Google Maps. Then add (compass enabled) Streetview and Google Earth (and compare it to Apple maps w/o GPS) and it's not even a contest in this category.
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I hope so too. A 7.7 successor with stylus, 1920x1080 (286 ppi) screen and wireless charging would be a game changer.
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+1 to that. My wish
I would say the nexus 7 is better based on the specs I do not like apple products at all but will probably buy the iPad mini when available to test it out and see how good the screen is compared to the nexus
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I just bought a gtab 7.7 and am well within my 14 day return period. Here are the reasons I am not going to get the ipad mini:
- GPS. How can apple not include this? Unbelievable.
- screen quality. While I have not seen the ipad mini, I love the display on the gtab 7.7. It is the best I've seen on any device.
- build quality. Better than any android device and at least as good as the ipad.
- expandable memory.
- haptic feedback. I love to use this while typing. It amazes me that apple, amazon and Asus do not include this on their devices and nobody complains.
The primary advantages for apple in my eyes include :
- great app eco system and developer support.
- warranty and service are Lexus like... at least in my experience.
So I'm keeping my gtab 7.7. This replaces my old school gtab 7 that I've had for two years.
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besides the app ecosystem, the tab 7.7 wins on everything to me.
to get an equivalent cellular model, with 64gb space (to compensate for no microsd slot) you'd be paying 600 bucks for the mini.
the tab 7.7 is a year old as well and it still kicks the llama's ass. samsung nailed it, was ahead of the game, but somehow didn't know how to market the best tab in this size range.
i really wish that android apps would catch up on the tablet-optimized space. the apps taht are tablet optimized are a much better experience than blown up phone app interfaces.
i personally wish google would put some android specifications that all manufacturers have to follow. enough so it is easier to develop for without affecting the different choices we can get.
idiotekniQues said:
besides the app ecosystem, the tab 7.7 wins on everything to me.
to get an equivalent cellular model, with 64gb space (to compensate for no microsd slot) you'd be paying 600 bucks for the mini.
the tab 7.7 is a year old as well and it still kicks the llama's ass. samsung nailed it, was ahead of the game, but somehow didn't know how to market the best tab in this size range.
i really wish that android apps would catch up on the tablet-optimized space. the apps taht are tablet optimized are a much better experience than blown up phone app interfaces.
i personally wish google would put some android specifications that all manufacturers have to follow. enough so it is easier to develop for without affecting the different choices we can get.
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That's why he have Paranoid Android - to change per app DPI.
I just installed Paranoid Android v2.5. It's a very good ROM. You can change the looks from tablet mode to phone mode, or hybrid mode - phanblet mode.
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That's why he have Paranoid Android - to change per app DPI.
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i am sure you all remember after the release of Samsung Galaxy S, a Russian site disclosed information about proposed Samsung Galaxy S2 with following specs.
4.3” 1280x720px Super AMOLED 2 display
2GHz CPU,
1GB RAM/4GB ROM
32GB of built-in flash memory, +32GB microSD card slot
8 megapixel camera with FullHD video recording
A-GPS, Bluetooth 3.0, Wi-Fi b/g/n
3.5 mm headset jack
Accelerometer, gyroscope, proximity and ambient light sensors
OS GingerBread
Many thought that its fake or fan-boy gone crazy...well they must think again cuz samsung has announced some amazing news last day.
A "DUAL CORE A9 1ghz Processor"
The system-on-a-chip (SoC) is codenamed Orion, it is based on the dual-core Cortex-A9 architecture from ARM, and will have the cores running at 1GHz. Samsung claims it will be 5 times faster in graphics rendering than its current Hummingbird.
Full HD video recording and decoding at 30fps, support for cameras up to 18MP, and support for up to three displays simultaneously - two on the device itself, and one external HDTV, for example, via HDMI-out. The Cortex-A9 chipsets also should deliver 30% reduction in power consumption.
have a look at following sites:
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/09/0...-a9-1080p-encodedecode-triple-screen-support/
http://www.tcmagazine.com/tcm/news/...g-tegra-2-orion-dual-core-1ghz-cortex-a9-chip
http://newsblaze.com/story/2010090622341800001.bw/topstory.html
http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-1g...lash-and-5mp14-6mp-cmos-chips-outed-07100868/
specs are just the max of what we could imagine. That's why I am skeptical. Talking about 3.0 when 2.2 is not final on the I9000 - that's a rather bad sign.
they will for sure give up on some specs when releasing the phone. and it will also depend on competitors product.
gingerbread is reality. android has already started spreading rumors abt Honeycomb (next version after gingerbread).
Whether the source is legit or not... I wouldn't be surprised if most of those specs are true.
We haven't heard of a "Super AMOLED 2" yet, but it would be a damn fine screen if it say, fixes the color banding on current pentile amoled (maybe use the RGBW I've heard about, that'd be awesome xD) and other issues (improve battery?)
Personally I think the current SGS size is perfect, so a 4.3" screen.. well they better have absolutely no wasted space around the screen lol.
It would also have to have hdmi out, either micro-hdmi or more likely the same connector as the galaxy tab.. and on that note, these specs sound very similar to the tab on steroids (tab already has confirmed gingerbread update + 1280x720 screen iirc).
If they release it (assuming it exists) in <6 months though, I think most of us would be a little mad though.. lol.
EDIT: OMG. maybe "Super AMOLED 2" could one of those foldable AMOLED screens... that would be pretty sweet haha!
dark_sith said:
specs are just the max of what we could imagine. That's why I am skeptical. Talking about 3.0 when 2.2 is not final on the I9000 - that's a rather bad sign.
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If they can achieve the screen then nothing else listed is really that mindblowing, particularly if OPs sources are accurate (OP, I didn't read them, too busy). @Froyo/gingerbread, Froyo is supposedly ready in a fashion that they can use it (and have put lots of work into getting apps to scale) for the tab. It's fairly apparent that the Galaxy Tab has been the focus of their software department for the better part of a month, but we will reap part of those rewards even if it has partially delayed our Froyo...it's definitely not too early to talk about Gingerbread, particularly if Samsung can work with Google (Google might be very interested if they like the Galaxy tab) to become the next Google-Experience Device.
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Personally I think the current SGS size is perfect, so a 4.3" screen.. well they better have absolutely no wasted space around the screen lol.
If they release it (assuming it exists) in <6 months though, I think most of us would be a little mad though.. lol.
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I agree on 4.0" being the sweet spot, then again, before big devices become in vogue I wanted the 5.0" Streak until SGS was announced.
In the other thread about this topic a user said, 4.3" makes the rumors less likely because why would Samsung switch sizes (I know that's not what you said but I'll paraphrase my reply to him anyways). ...'I completely disagree. First, perhaps it was too hard for them to fabricate 4.3" in a device that they expect to sell like the SGS. 2nd, what percentage of Samsung's customers will upgrade from a 4.0" to a 4.3" 6 months later, they are trying to hit a different niche that perhaps opted for the Evo or would prefer a 4.3" if they were out of contract.'
As far as the progression of smartphones go, the faster the better, make my device obsolete tomorrow and that means the newest ones are nearly literally mini-laptops...I wouldn't need one for the duration of my contract. I'd only be jealous of the screen, and that is a jealousy I can live with (and probably pay a premium to switch devices for). Everything else, I'd be able to live without, and I bought this device thinking "This is the one I won't worry about for a year." Shorten that to 6 months and touche Samsung, you've done your job and done it well. The way the smartphone market is these days if they don't do it someone else will (well, they prob cant do screens like these for at least 12 months).
wonder if sammy will have fixed the GPS on the current model by the time that S2 releases
Holly Crap!
What will the I10000 have?
5" 1080p Super Super AMOLED
5 Ghz quad-core CPU
4 GB Ram/32 GB ROM
128GB of flash
12 megapixel camera with 1080 recording
???????????????????????
If they can make a dock for it, there is no reason to have a PC or a laptop anymore!
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4.3” 1280x720px Super AMOLED 2 display
2GHz CPU,
1GB RAM/4GB ROM
32GB of built-in flash memory, +32GB microSD card slot
8 megapixel camera with FullHD video recording
A-GPS, Bluetooth 3.0, Wi-Fi b/g/n
3.5 mm headset jack
Accelerometer, gyroscope, proximity and ambient light sensors
OS GingerBread
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Even If it's true, you won't see it until q4 of 2011.
any update on this?
a samsung insider should be asked, anyone know such a person?
Looks pretty awesome to me. I absolutely agree, 4" screen is perfect. 4"3 is a bit too wide, not as easy to hold in one hand.
But i mean, let's be real, all of this depends on the software they'll put in it. Samsung is getting much better at supporting their smartphones but still...
If this thing gets a good OS / support then it will kick ass (look at the X10 still on 1.6...)
AND, who knows what competition will have out by then. Maybe a new iphone 6 with even less buttons
I9200 or I9020 ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=816893
necro a dead thread about a false rumor
good job
4.3” 1280x720px Super AMOLED 2 display
2GHz CPU,
1GB RAM/4GB ROM
32GB of built-in flash memory, +32GB microSD card slot
8 megapixel camera with FullHD video recording
A-GPS, Bluetooth 3.0, Wi-Fi b/g/n
3.5 mm headset jack
Accelerometer, gyroscope, proximity and ambient light sensors
OS GingerBread
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And battery on nucelar-polymer technology 10.000 mAh ,standby 2600 hours, talk time 1300 min....Will be ideal gadget
Dream, only dream...
The Viewsonic 10 inch "G-Tablet" discussed in the link below ($349 from Sears) has the Nividia dual core 1ghz Tegra 2 processor. It sounds like it has pretty decent hardware but lacking in software due to not being an official Google product and having a poor performing UI.
http://androidandme.com/2010/11/tablet/viewsonics-tegra-2-tablet-on-sale-now-at-sears-for-379/
Viewsonic G-Tablet specs include:
NVIDIA Tegra 2 Dual ARM cortex (1Ghz)
Capacitive Multi-Touch/Multi Tasking panel
10.1” 1024 X 600 TFI LCD Screen
512 MB RAM, Mass Memory 16 GB
Mini USB x 1; Full size USB x 1
1.3MP Front –Facing Webcam
Earphone x 1
Micro SD card slot
2 x 1 W speaker
Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n
G sensor/Light sensor
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR
3500mAh/7.4V Li-polymer Battery Life 8-10 Hours
Slim design (267 x 173 x 14.3mm) Wt. 820 Grams
Buttons: Home/Back/Menu/Volume/Power
OS / Android 2.2
Headphone Jack
Built in Microphone
"Original information out of Viewsonic said this device would cost over $500, but Sears is selling a WiFi-only version that lacks the sim-card slot of the more expensive model. Some overseas models were also reported to include 1 GB of RAM, but the Sears unit is shipping with 512 MB RAM."
"The good news is that this tablet comes with Android 2.2, but that might be there the fun ends. This tablet was not certified by Google so it lacks all the Google Mobile Services including the official Android Market. Thankfully you can still sideload apps and alternative markets like SlideME."
You can buy the "G-tablet" here: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00382001000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1 Use the zoom feature on the picture to get a really good close up of the device buttons and LEDs etc. I like the clean and simple look. Three buttons is nice too and the Wifi only will work perfectly with a tethering Nexus One (see it's not OT). At $380 it is ~$120 cheaper than the equivalent iPad.
I think this would be a good candidate for dev support to take advantage of the hardware to root and optimize for 10" display. If developers are interested in rocking this device I am definitely picking one up.
Do you think developers would work with this device?
At the pricepoint they are selling it for, this device would be appealing if we have developer support.
Let's face it, developer support will be the deciding factor for a lot of people, almost (but not completely) regardless of the hardware...
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Let's also face it; it has nothing to do with the Nexus. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=824804
I might pick one up the next time I'm in there browsing the lawn mowers
Archos 101 for 299 is more appealing no ?
So after owning a SGS2, would you consider a 7" version of it? HELL THE FRAK YEAH I WOULD! Esp for videos. I have to re-encode my MKV's just to be able to watch them on my TF101, so being able to watch movies w/o re-encoding is a big plus for me. Of course there are other methods to watch movies on a Tegra2 device but I prefer natively.
If you're like me then read below for more info.
http://androidcommunity.com/samsung-galaxy-tab-7-coming-this-fall-but-with-gingerbread-20110615/
http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/06/15/galaxy-tab-seven-will-run-gingerbread-2-3-4/
* Exynos 1.2 GHz dual-core processor
* 1GB RAM, 2GB ROM
* Android 2.3.4 Gingerbread w/ TouchWiz 4.0
* 16GB of internal memory
* Micro SD slot
* Tab proprietary connector with USB Host capabilities (via adapter)
* 7 inch WSVGA IPS display
* Ability to call, video call and send SMS messages
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But then again, Tegra3 is hopefully coming out at the end of the year & that has me considering if I should of not but at least with a 7" tablet, it's easier to carry around than a 10" tablet on the go.
haha! i WOULD LOVE ONE!! But not that one!
It appears that's going to be a "medium" device.
Just my opinion, but if I'm going to be paying that much (that being a very high price) I want the best, compared to what's in the market.
If I was getting something this fall, I'd either wait till next year to get a quad-core GPU, ultra-high resolution display (MAYBE Super AMOLED ultra high res)
Plus I'd want it to have Ice Cream.
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haha! i WOULD LOVE ONE!! But not that one!
It appears that's going to be a "medium" device.
Just my opinion, but if I'm going to be paying that much (that being a very high price) I want the best, compared to what's in the market.
If I was getting something this fall, I'd either wait till next year to get a quad-core GPU, ultra-high resolution display (MAYBE Super AMOLED ultra high res)
Plus I'd want it to have Ice Cream.
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True. if the price is too much then I won't consider getting one. If it's affordable then I would consider it.
I'll be getting a Quad Core tablet when it comes out but having a smaller tablet has it's advantages too.
I believe you could run ICE CREAM on that hardware down the road.
With this, it will keep me busy until the Quad Cores come out in the winter time. Of course, this is based on if it does come out during the fall as speculated.
i hope u werent talking about using it as a phone, like some have with the 1st gen galaxy tab....
but using it as a tab, then yes, of course.
I have both 7" galaxy tab and sgs2 (was sgs til a few days ago)
If they have the spec of the sgs2 with a 7" screen it would be awesome! The tab only lacks the super amoled screen against the sgs, but run a duel core processor and amoled and it would be the best tablet IMO
Oh and those questioning the tab being overpriced, carphone are selling em sim free for £250 to clear (limited stock in stores only)
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for 250 pounds I'd buy one but atm for tablets you can't beat the ipad2 (hw/price wise), those ipads are so cheep and the android tablets so expensive
google should give part of it revenue from the market to the hw manufacturer, so they can lower their prices and be competitive with the ipads
I would get one only if it supported NTFS. What is the point being able to play full res videos/movies when you are limited to only 4GB on FAT32.
wish it were a 5 inch screen
I've already got one, it's called a Samsung Galaxy Tab.
Unless you want to play high-end games it does everything just fine including playing any media I throw at it.
Hi guys
Need a little help if u can...
On a local pricerunner like site I can find different specs on different versions of the Note 10.1 and the Note 8.0 in terms of processor.
For the 10.1 I can find two set of specs: One with a 1.4 GHz quad-core Exynos processor and one with a 1.4 GHz Cortex-A9 processor. Both called Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 (one is grey the other is white).
For the 8.0 I can only find a 1.6 GHz Cortex-A9 processor.
I guess what I'm asking is what's the difference in performance? Cuz' theres only about 20 USD between the 8.0 and the Exynos 10.1...
If anyone has some input it would be much appreciated
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Hi guys
Need a little help if u can...
On a local pricerunner like site I can find different specs on different versions of the Note 10.1 and the Note 8.0 in terms of processor.
For the 10.1 I can find two set of specs: One with a 1.4 GHz quad-core Exynos processor and one with a 1.4 GHz Cortex-A9 processor. Both called Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 (one is grey the other is white).
For the 8.0 I can only find a 1.6 GHz Cortex-A9 processor.
I guess what I'm asking is what's the difference in performance? Cuz' theres only about 20 USD between the 8.0 and the Exynos 10.1...
If anyone has some input it would be much appreciated
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In real world usage you won't see a difference. The only time it may make a difference is when using benchmark tests. I would choose the tablet on which size is better suited to you rather than the cpu. ln the electronics game, they will always try to increase the number, whether it be ram, cpu clock speed, number of cores, resolution, or mega pixels. The consumer is led to believe that if it has a higher number it must be better. Usually it's just an incremental increase which doesn't really make a difference when using the device.
The 8.0, does have a the same screen resolution but on a smaller physical screen, so it'll look a little bit sharper. Personally I like the larger size, but some people prefer the sharper image. Especially when using the s-pen, I think the extra screen real estate helps. It is also beneficial when using multiview windows.
How much is the Note 10.1 going for nowadays? Last time I checked Costco was selling it for $429 with a free zipper case.
So I shouldn't worry about getting an Exynos or Cortex-A9 processor?
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How much is the Note 10.1 going for nowadays? Last time I checked Costco was selling it for $429 with a free zipper case.
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Well here in Denmark the best price for the 10.1 is the grey Exynos edition selling at around $550 :-/ No case included. The Cortex-A9 edition is about $50 more.
I bought my Note 10.1 (16gig, wifi) on sale, for 385 Euros ($535) here in Norway two weeks ago, may 10'th, but they are back at 515 Euros ($715) again
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So I shouldn't worry about getting an Exynos or Cortex-A9 processor.
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Like he said he can't tell u directly which is for you. You can't come online and ask for which processor to get because like he said during use probably 95% of users can't and won't detect a diff.
Get a tablet based on size and functionality that's suited best for you.
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I got my Note 10.1 (16gb, wifi) for about $380 (taxes included) because of some SD sale a couple months ago. I don't think it's ever been that low since . Honestly though, I think you should choose the tablet based on the size. Personally, the only reason I'd upgrade my tablet now is if I could purchase something similar to the Note, but bigger (13"-15"). Otherwise, I love my Note for everything I'm trying to do with it.
I have both, grey note 10.1 since it was released, note 8 about 1 month.
Here are some opinions and other considerations
Performance - for me both are fine once bloat is removed - 8 has the edge.
I can overclock note8 stably to 1.8, but don't bother since it works fine at the default
Battery life - (my usage pattern is a couple of hours per day) - note10.1 wins - my charge was 1 per week,
Note8 about 3-4 days, not sure yet whether software or display.
Weight - note 8 is my preferred carry to work
Screen view comfort - note 10.1 wins with size of display
Spen writing, if you are holding the tablet while writing, 8 would win. If your normal placement was on a desk the 10.1 would win.
Charging - note8 much quicker (3.5 vs 6 hrs).
Accessories: consideration for cost if you already have accessories like otg-usb or mhl-hdmi adapters, the 10.1 has samsung 30 pin adapter, so previous 30-pin hdmi, usb etc work fine. The 8 has 11-pin micro-usb, which works with some old otg-usb adapters (eg for S2) but needs a newer vintage HDMI adapter. (The 30-pin adapter looks way more robust than the micro-usb).
Just to clarify things all note 10.1 and note 8 use same processor exynos 4 quad (but with different clock speed 1.4vs 1.6) the cortex a9 is the type of the processor architecture not a processor brand so there is no exynos note 10.1 and cortex a9 note 10.1 both white and gray use cortex a9 exynos 4 quad , good luck with your choice
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I got my Note 10.1 (16gb, wifi) for about $380 (taxes included) because of some SD sale a couple months ago. I don't think it's ever been that low since . Honestly though, I think you should choose the tablet based on the size. Personally, the only reason I'd upgrade my tablet now is if I could purchase something similar to the Note, but bigger (13"-15"). Otherwise, I love my Note for everything I'm trying to do with it.
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That's the cheapest I've ever seen it. For some reason the Note 10.1 doesn't go on sale as often as the Tab in either size.
If you're in the U.S. you might want to wait till "Black Friday". I got mine just last year at Best Buy during Black Friday and it was $50 off( and no I did not have to wait in line). A lot of online retailers also had it in their sale.
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Just to clarify things all note 10.1 and note 8 use same processor exynos 4 quad (but with different clock speed 1.4vs 1.6) the cortex a9 is the type of the processor architecture not a processor brand so there is no exynos note 10.1 and cortex a9 note 10.1 both white and gray use cortex a9 exynos 4 quad , good luck with your choice
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Exactly, Galaxy Note 8.0 and 10.1 share almost the same hardware. The Exynos is just clocked higher like the Note II. You only need a Kernel to reach the same clock (if you need it, I don't).
Furthermore the Galaxy Note is quite expensive at the moment. Last week when I checked prices at amazon Germany the price for the 3G Versions the Note 10.1 was 10 Euros below the 8.0! :silly: (440 vs 450 Euros)
I give you a tip:
If you are writing a lot (like me as a student) buy the Note 10.1.
If you can wait for a special offer (maybe 2 weeks, maybe 3 months, you never know) and like to have a more handy tablet, then buy the Note 8.0.
I previously owned Note 8.0 and I really liked it but it had it flaws... which eventually made me to change to Note 10.1. Things that bothered me on Note 8.0:
- Heat. While gaming and even in browsing the device sometimes tended to heat about just too much. Still usable but definetely bit annoying.
- Battery life. I use tablet thru whole day for work. Note 8.0 run out of juice just bit too early whereas Note 10.1 still can join me for games and movies after work with single charge.
- Screen issues. Excessive backlight bleeding. I checked several and all suffered from this. But I have read some people reporting not having any. So I guess you just need some luck. Also I see stucked pixels in some.
- Camera. Much worse than Note 10.1. I just want to take at least fairly ok pics and Note 8.0 just can't deliver.
Anyway, some of these maybe fixable (heat?) with firmware update. But my Note 10.1 just works better for my needs and can push easilly thru the day.
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..........Charging - note8 much quicker (3.5 vs 6 hrs)...............(The 30-pin adapter looks way more robust than the micro-usb).
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My Note 10.1 charges much faster, from 10% battery mine consistently charges in 4hrs 25min. (See attachment from 5%)
I also like the 30-pin connector because over the last 6 months I have seen literally 100's of tablets of various brands for sale on ebay with damage micro USB charging ports.
As far as price goes, deals can always be found on ebay from reportable sellers. I got my new Note 10.1 Dec. 20th 2012 for $385.00 delivered.
Currently on ebay ........
Dark gray 16gb - Buy me now $399.00 delivered
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kkretch said:
My Note 10.1 charges much faster, from 10% battery mine consistently charges in 4hrs 25min.
I also like the 30-pin connector because over the last 6 months I have seen literally 100's of tablets of various brands for sale on ebay with damage micro USB charging ports.
As far as price goes, deals can always be found on ebay from reportable sellers. I got my new Note 10.1 Dec. 20th 2012 for $385.00 delivered.
Currently on ebay ........
Dark gray 16gb - Buy me now $399.00 delivered
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About the same charging time for me. About 1h more than 8.0 in my experience.
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hmmm...maybe I've mixed up my plug-packs/cables for the 10.1, thanks
So, for my birthday, I've wanted a Samsung Galaxy Note 8, but because of the release of the new nexus 7, I'm starting to think that the nexus 7 might be the better choice.
I've mainly wanted the Galaxy note 8 because of that extra inch, and the spen of course.
I think the specs are better in the nexus 7 slightly.
Galaxy note 8 vs Nexus 7 (2013)
189 ppi - 323 ppi (1080p)
338 g - 290g
4600 mAh - 3950 mAh
NA - Wireless charging built-in
Samsung Exynos 4 Quad core, 1600 MHz - Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro, 1.5GHz
ARM Mali-400 MP4 - Adreno 320
Micro SD slot - NA
Both have Bluetooth and wifi
Both have same cameras (front and back)
Both have 2 gigs of ram
$330 (Varying) - $229
Specs are mixed between the two, better screen on Nexus 7, better processor on Galaxy note 8, Better battery on note 8.
I'm currently hooked on the Galaxy note 8 because of the spen, better battery, and bigger screen. but the new nexus 7 is lighter, better screen, price, and it's pure Google, updates first, easier to root.
So from your experience with the nexus 7, please tell me weather I should get it for my birthday, I really don't want to make the wrong choice.
189 ppi on Note is meagre. If the device will be used for viewing media, e.g books and videos than better screen is critical.
I doubt the processor is actually better on the note and the screen is that bad on the note? Really? Nexus all the way
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I doubt the processor is actually better on the note and the screen is that bad on the note? Really? Nexus all the way
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In fact, the processor in the Nexus is FAR better than the one on Note 8 -> it uses 4x cores of Krait A15 instead of the older A9 present in the Note.
Not that the Note's CPU is bad, but you can see this in the many benchmarks popping out these days.
True. The new nexus 7 trumps note 8 processor. Which was discovered to have Krait 300 cores. So although they call it S4 pro, its a variant that's really a lower clocked/lower binned snapdragon 600. Like other poster said, most all new benchmarks popping up are showing that nexus7 is top notch in processing power compared to other android devices and ipad4/mini. Plus it has Andreno 320 GPU.
Clearly.new nexus 7 brings the best bang for buck. If you really into the Spen, note is what u want. For everything else, Nexus7 beats it out.
I have a galaxy note 10.1. Although a nice.feature, I rarely use.the pen. Its a great tablet even.without.the pen. Its your choice though. IMO, I'd say.save the extra cash and get the new nexus7.
I have both and have just started to compare. First impressions in reading this forum with the dark theme (white type on black)
and large font on the nexus and normal font on the note, the black background is dark black on the note and grayish black on the nexus with same brightness level.
The font is just as easy to read and clear on the note. Practically speaking they read the same. But the real black background on the note is more pleasing to my eyes.
Holding each with one hand while reading, the note is more comfortable and feels lighter probably because of the size and balance.
So I this use case I prefer the note.
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In fact, the processor in the Nexus is FAR better than the one on Note 8 -> it uses 4x cores of Krait A15 instead of the older A9 present in the Note.
Not that the Note's CPU is bad, but you can see this in the many benchmarks popping out these days.
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I searched the interwebs for these bench marks, both on quadrant.
The only place where the note 8 is bad in is the freeze issues, because of the touch-whiz lagging it.
I'm not sure if what you were talking about (Krait A15, A9) makes a difference to the benchmarks on quadrant, I believe that the nexus 7 is .1 GHz lower than the Note 8, that may not make a big difference.
Scores:
Nexus 7 (2013): 5501
Note 8: 6848
There's many other benchmarks out there which may vary, but I thought that quadrant would be the best to look at.
I could be noobing out here about processing power and benchmarks, if I am, please correct me.
GreatLachlan said:
I searched the interwebs for these bench marks, both on quadrant.
The only place where the note 8 is bad in is the freeze issues, because of the touch-whiz lagging it.
I'm not sure if what you were talking about (Krait A15, A9) makes a difference to the benchmarks on quadrant, I believe that the nexus 7 is .1 GHz lower than the Note 8, that may not make a big difference.
Scores:
Nexus 7 (2013): 5501
Note 8: 6848
There's many other benchmarks out there which may vary, but I thought that quadrant would be the best to look at.
I could be noobing out here about processing power and benchmarks, if I am, please correct me.
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Just taking one benchmark won't guage power best. Just look at anandtech mini review. He did a very thorough benchmarking. It's enough different benchmarks to show a wider range of where nexus7 power lies at. Actually anandtech has done the most thorough benching yet.
Quadrant alone varies from test to test.
I can tell.you're on.the fence about which one to get. Ask yourself, how badly.do you want that Spen? If new n7 wasn't out, the note8 would be the small tablet to get. I.wanted one..lol
I had this same dilemma when I was in bestbuy but I got the Nexus because there is much more development for the N7 over the samsung tablet. Last year when I was buying the original N7 and the galaxy tab was out also there wasnt much development going on so I went with the N7. Both are great though :good: Just not as much development with the galaxy tabs like the phones
If neither has an sd slot, seems a 32gb N7 2 is the better buy.
I have both right now, and I'm having a really hard time deciding which one to keep. The N7 definitely has better specs, and the Anandtech mini-review removed any doubt about which processor is superior, but the overall experience I'm getting on the Note is the same, if not better. The bigger screen makes the Note really feel like a tablet, whereas to me the N7 just feels like a giant phone. The screen on the N7 is noticeably better when looking at them side by side, but when using the Note by itself it's easy to forget that it's only a 1200x800 display. In terms of weight, the Note is a tad heavier but the difference is negligible. The expandable storage on the Note is also a huge bonus. I'm still trying to decide if I'll use the S-pen; I took it to class the other day and tried to take notes, and while that worked, I'm not sure I won't get sick of it after awhile. My biggest issue with the Note is the price. If they dropped the price on the Note, I would probably keep it, but as of right now the $150 savings I would get by choosing the N7 is really tempting. The N7 also has NFC, wireless charging, and better support from Google. But I hate the N7 form factor, so I don't know what I'm going to do. As I said earlier, I'm having a great experience with the Note, so if price isn't an issue for you, and you could see yourself using the S-pen a lot, then I would recommend the Note.
1280*800 on a 8"? that's pretty bad. the gen1 N7 has the same resolution and you can see some pixelation.
plus the n7 is cheaper. this should be a no brainer unless you REALLY like spen.
Thanks for the detailed post, I'm most likely going to get the note 8 now.
I am 13 years old (yeah, I know, a kid...on XDA) meaning I will be getting the tablet from my parents, if they tell me that the note 8 is a tad to expensive, I will definitely ask them to get the new N7.
I'm not really looking for a whole ton of speed anyway, I will root the device I get, but will mostly be using YouTube, flip board, and possibly other note features if I get it.
Again, thanks for all posts helping me decide which one to get.
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The big thing here is the Nexus 7 will get lots of updates. With KeyLime Pie right around the corner... the Note will lose its luster fast. Plus the Note has a Pen.
Big things to leave out.
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If you plan to use the pen for drawing, note taking, filling out and signing PDF documents, etc. the pen outweighs the higher resolution. As for performance, the Note 10.1 I had was very responsive while the Note 8 is even better. If you don't plan to use the pen then it's a toss-up between the two best 7 to 8" tablets on the market.
For work = Note 8
For Home = Nexus 7
I love the Idea of the S Pen (Have have a Note II currently), I've been wanting and smaller tablet to complement my 10.1" tablet (that currently works but needs a screen replacement, due a crack is making the touch interface very wacky). Like the Idea of an 8" S Pen enabled device and been keeping an enye on the new Nexus 7 recently.
Here are my thoughts on the subject after looking at both:
Galaxy Note 8:
+ S pen (comes in handy though I really don't use it very often on my Note II)
+ 8" screen is a nice size (but makes it a little less portable vs a 7" tablet)
+ Samsung has some nice multi-window features and other customizations on the devices
+ expendable memory with microSD
- Too big with a thick bezel all the way around making for a harder one hand hold.
- Performance is not competitive with newer devices
- More expensive
- lower resolution on a larger screen (not bad but doesn't compare to the new Nexus 7)
- Android update is always slow.
Nexus 7 (2013)
+ Performance best in class in the small tablet form factor at the moment
+ Thinner bezel on the sides makes it easy to hold in portrait mode and bigger bezel on top and bottom gives you a place for you hands in two handed landscape mode.
+ Beautiful 1920x1200 screen that is just AWESOME
+ Fast updates straight from Google
- Smaller 7" display (I do like the size of the 8-inchers)
- No S-pen (though I don't use it as often as I thought, still nice to have)
- No cool multi-window functionality like Samsung adds
- No MicroSD card slot
In the end I decided the I could live without the S Pen, larger display and Samsung added features. The new Nexus 7s display, performance and updates made it an easy choice for me. I already have an S pen enabled phone anyway. I do miss the MicroSD card, where I usually store music, photos and videos, but I never come close to using all the space. I figure 32 GB will suffice.
Today I walked out of Best Buy with a Nexus 7, and no regrets. I love the screen, the resolution is fantastic, and is much smaller than I expected (in a good way). So far it has been FAST and SMOOTH.
Bottom like, if you need or REALLY want the S Pen get the Note 8.... If not the Nexus seven is the best small Android tablet currently available.
GreatLachlan said:
So, for my birthday, I've wanted a Samsung Galaxy Note 8, but because of the release of the new nexus 7, I'm starting to think that the nexus 7 might be the better choice.
I've mainly wanted the Galaxy note 8 because of that extra inch, and the spen of course.
I think the specs are better in the nexus 7 slightly.
Galaxy note 8 vs Nexus 7 (2013)
189 ppi - 323 ppi (1080p)
338 g - 290g
4600 mAh - 3950 mAh
NA - Wireless charging built-in
Samsung Exynos 4 Quad core, 1600 MHz - Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro, 1.5GHz
ARM Mali-400 MP4 - Adreno 320
Micro SD slot - NA
Both have Bluetooth and wifi
Both have same cameras (front and back)
Both have 2 gigs of ram
$330 (Varying) - $229
Specs are mixed between the two, better screen on Nexus 7, better processor on Galaxy note 8, Better battery on note 8.
I'm currently hooked on the Galaxy note 8 because of the spen, better battery, and bigger screen. but the new nexus 7 is lighter, better screen, price, and it's pure Google, updates first, easier to root.
So from your experience with the nexus 7, please tell me weather I should get it for my birthday, I really don't want to make the wrong choice.
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Grab the Note 8...it's a no brainer..don't let anyone tell you differently!
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GreatLachlan said:
So, for my birthday, I've wanted a Samsung Galaxy Note 8, but because of the release of the new nexus 7, I'm starting to think that the nexus 7 might be the better choice.
I've mainly wanted the Galaxy note 8 because of that extra inch, and the spen of course.
I think the specs are better in the nexus 7 slightly.
Galaxy note 8 vs Nexus 7 (2013)
189 ppi - 323 ppi (1080p)
338 g - 290g
4600 mAh - 3950 mAh
NA - Wireless charging built-in
Samsung Exynos 4 Quad core, 1600 MHz - Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro, 1.5GHz
ARM Mali-400 MP4 - Adreno 320
Micro SD slot - NA
Both have Bluetooth and wifi
Both have same cameras (front and back)
Both have 2 gigs of ram
$330 (Varying) - $229
Specs are mixed between the two, better screen on Nexus 7, better processor on Galaxy note 8, Better battery on note 8.
I'm currently hooked on the Galaxy note 8 because of the spen, better battery, and bigger screen. but the new nexus 7 is lighter, better screen, price, and it's pure Google, updates first, easier to root.
So from your experience with the nexus 7, please tell me weather I should get it for my birthday, I really don't want to make the wrong choice.
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I actually returned my note 8 for the nexus 7
I miss the SD card, the extra inch and that's about it
I mostly use tablets for reading and video. Hence, having more dpi was important to me. Plus this thing is super smooth compared with the note 8.
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Oh and, why do you need the sPen so bad? I have never found a good use for it other than being able to scroll while hand were messy, so as not to worry about getting oil on the screen from eating, etc
I hated the resolution in the note 8, this became very evident while trying to read and zooming in on stuff
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Also, the note 8 felt cheap and I already have the s4. It just felt like a bigger s4 with a crappier screen.
I guess i went with nexus 7 becuase I wanted to have a new device that worked differently and wasn't just a bigger screen twin of my s4
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I had the note 8. Returned it for the nexus 7 2013.
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