So, for my birthday, I've wanted a Samsung Galaxy Note 8, but because of the release of the new nexus 7, I'm starting to think that the nexus 7 might be the better choice.
I've mainly wanted the Galaxy note 8 because of that extra inch, and the spen of course.
I think the specs are better in the nexus 7 slightly.
Galaxy note 8 vs Nexus 7 (2013)
189 ppi - 323 ppi (1080p)
338 g - 290g
4600 mAh - 3950 mAh
NA - Wireless charging built-in
Samsung Exynos 4 Quad core, 1600 MHz - Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro, 1.5GHz
ARM Mali-400 MP4 - Adreno 320
Micro SD slot - NA
Both have Bluetooth and wifi
Both have same cameras (front and back)
Both have 2 gigs of ram
$330 (Varying) - $229
Specs are mixed between the two, better screen on Nexus 7, better processor on Galaxy note 8, Better battery on note 8.
I'm currently hooked on the Galaxy note 8 because of the spen, better battery, and bigger screen. but the new nexus 7 is lighter, better screen, price, and it's pure Google, updates first, easier to root.
So from your experience with the nexus 7, please tell me weather I should get it for my birthday, I really don't want to make the wrong choice.
189 ppi on Note is meagre. If the device will be used for viewing media, e.g books and videos than better screen is critical.
I doubt the processor is actually better on the note and the screen is that bad on the note? Really? Nexus all the way
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I doubt the processor is actually better on the note and the screen is that bad on the note? Really? Nexus all the way
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In fact, the processor in the Nexus is FAR better than the one on Note 8 -> it uses 4x cores of Krait A15 instead of the older A9 present in the Note.
Not that the Note's CPU is bad, but you can see this in the many benchmarks popping out these days.
True. The new nexus 7 trumps note 8 processor. Which was discovered to have Krait 300 cores. So although they call it S4 pro, its a variant that's really a lower clocked/lower binned snapdragon 600. Like other poster said, most all new benchmarks popping up are showing that nexus7 is top notch in processing power compared to other android devices and ipad4/mini. Plus it has Andreno 320 GPU.
Clearly.new nexus 7 brings the best bang for buck. If you really into the Spen, note is what u want. For everything else, Nexus7 beats it out.
I have a galaxy note 10.1. Although a nice.feature, I rarely use.the pen. Its a great tablet even.without.the pen. Its your choice though. IMO, I'd say.save the extra cash and get the new nexus7.
I have both and have just started to compare. First impressions in reading this forum with the dark theme (white type on black)
and large font on the nexus and normal font on the note, the black background is dark black on the note and grayish black on the nexus with same brightness level.
The font is just as easy to read and clear on the note. Practically speaking they read the same. But the real black background on the note is more pleasing to my eyes.
Holding each with one hand while reading, the note is more comfortable and feels lighter probably because of the size and balance.
So I this use case I prefer the note.
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In fact, the processor in the Nexus is FAR better than the one on Note 8 -> it uses 4x cores of Krait A15 instead of the older A9 present in the Note.
Not that the Note's CPU is bad, but you can see this in the many benchmarks popping out these days.
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I searched the interwebs for these bench marks, both on quadrant.
The only place where the note 8 is bad in is the freeze issues, because of the touch-whiz lagging it.
I'm not sure if what you were talking about (Krait A15, A9) makes a difference to the benchmarks on quadrant, I believe that the nexus 7 is .1 GHz lower than the Note 8, that may not make a big difference.
Scores:
Nexus 7 (2013): 5501
Note 8: 6848
There's many other benchmarks out there which may vary, but I thought that quadrant would be the best to look at.
I could be noobing out here about processing power and benchmarks, if I am, please correct me.
GreatLachlan said:
I searched the interwebs for these bench marks, both on quadrant.
The only place where the note 8 is bad in is the freeze issues, because of the touch-whiz lagging it.
I'm not sure if what you were talking about (Krait A15, A9) makes a difference to the benchmarks on quadrant, I believe that the nexus 7 is .1 GHz lower than the Note 8, that may not make a big difference.
Scores:
Nexus 7 (2013): 5501
Note 8: 6848
There's many other benchmarks out there which may vary, but I thought that quadrant would be the best to look at.
I could be noobing out here about processing power and benchmarks, if I am, please correct me.
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Just taking one benchmark won't guage power best. Just look at anandtech mini review. He did a very thorough benchmarking. It's enough different benchmarks to show a wider range of where nexus7 power lies at. Actually anandtech has done the most thorough benching yet.
Quadrant alone varies from test to test.
I can tell.you're on.the fence about which one to get. Ask yourself, how badly.do you want that Spen? If new n7 wasn't out, the note8 would be the small tablet to get. I.wanted one..lol
I had this same dilemma when I was in bestbuy but I got the Nexus because there is much more development for the N7 over the samsung tablet. Last year when I was buying the original N7 and the galaxy tab was out also there wasnt much development going on so I went with the N7. Both are great though :good: Just not as much development with the galaxy tabs like the phones
If neither has an sd slot, seems a 32gb N7 2 is the better buy.
I have both right now, and I'm having a really hard time deciding which one to keep. The N7 definitely has better specs, and the Anandtech mini-review removed any doubt about which processor is superior, but the overall experience I'm getting on the Note is the same, if not better. The bigger screen makes the Note really feel like a tablet, whereas to me the N7 just feels like a giant phone. The screen on the N7 is noticeably better when looking at them side by side, but when using the Note by itself it's easy to forget that it's only a 1200x800 display. In terms of weight, the Note is a tad heavier but the difference is negligible. The expandable storage on the Note is also a huge bonus. I'm still trying to decide if I'll use the S-pen; I took it to class the other day and tried to take notes, and while that worked, I'm not sure I won't get sick of it after awhile. My biggest issue with the Note is the price. If they dropped the price on the Note, I would probably keep it, but as of right now the $150 savings I would get by choosing the N7 is really tempting. The N7 also has NFC, wireless charging, and better support from Google. But I hate the N7 form factor, so I don't know what I'm going to do. As I said earlier, I'm having a great experience with the Note, so if price isn't an issue for you, and you could see yourself using the S-pen a lot, then I would recommend the Note.
1280*800 on a 8"? that's pretty bad. the gen1 N7 has the same resolution and you can see some pixelation.
plus the n7 is cheaper. this should be a no brainer unless you REALLY like spen.
Thanks for the detailed post, I'm most likely going to get the note 8 now.
I am 13 years old (yeah, I know, a kid...on XDA) meaning I will be getting the tablet from my parents, if they tell me that the note 8 is a tad to expensive, I will definitely ask them to get the new N7.
I'm not really looking for a whole ton of speed anyway, I will root the device I get, but will mostly be using YouTube, flip board, and possibly other note features if I get it.
Again, thanks for all posts helping me decide which one to get.
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The big thing here is the Nexus 7 will get lots of updates. With KeyLime Pie right around the corner... the Note will lose its luster fast. Plus the Note has a Pen.
Big things to leave out.
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If you plan to use the pen for drawing, note taking, filling out and signing PDF documents, etc. the pen outweighs the higher resolution. As for performance, the Note 10.1 I had was very responsive while the Note 8 is even better. If you don't plan to use the pen then it's a toss-up between the two best 7 to 8" tablets on the market.
For work = Note 8
For Home = Nexus 7
I love the Idea of the S Pen (Have have a Note II currently), I've been wanting and smaller tablet to complement my 10.1" tablet (that currently works but needs a screen replacement, due a crack is making the touch interface very wacky). Like the Idea of an 8" S Pen enabled device and been keeping an enye on the new Nexus 7 recently.
Here are my thoughts on the subject after looking at both:
Galaxy Note 8:
+ S pen (comes in handy though I really don't use it very often on my Note II)
+ 8" screen is a nice size (but makes it a little less portable vs a 7" tablet)
+ Samsung has some nice multi-window features and other customizations on the devices
+ expendable memory with microSD
- Too big with a thick bezel all the way around making for a harder one hand hold.
- Performance is not competitive with newer devices
- More expensive
- lower resolution on a larger screen (not bad but doesn't compare to the new Nexus 7)
- Android update is always slow.
Nexus 7 (2013)
+ Performance best in class in the small tablet form factor at the moment
+ Thinner bezel on the sides makes it easy to hold in portrait mode and bigger bezel on top and bottom gives you a place for you hands in two handed landscape mode.
+ Beautiful 1920x1200 screen that is just AWESOME
+ Fast updates straight from Google
- Smaller 7" display (I do like the size of the 8-inchers)
- No S-pen (though I don't use it as often as I thought, still nice to have)
- No cool multi-window functionality like Samsung adds
- No MicroSD card slot
In the end I decided the I could live without the S Pen, larger display and Samsung added features. The new Nexus 7s display, performance and updates made it an easy choice for me. I already have an S pen enabled phone anyway. I do miss the MicroSD card, where I usually store music, photos and videos, but I never come close to using all the space. I figure 32 GB will suffice.
Today I walked out of Best Buy with a Nexus 7, and no regrets. I love the screen, the resolution is fantastic, and is much smaller than I expected (in a good way). So far it has been FAST and SMOOTH.
Bottom like, if you need or REALLY want the S Pen get the Note 8.... If not the Nexus seven is the best small Android tablet currently available.
GreatLachlan said:
So, for my birthday, I've wanted a Samsung Galaxy Note 8, but because of the release of the new nexus 7, I'm starting to think that the nexus 7 might be the better choice.
I've mainly wanted the Galaxy note 8 because of that extra inch, and the spen of course.
I think the specs are better in the nexus 7 slightly.
Galaxy note 8 vs Nexus 7 (2013)
189 ppi - 323 ppi (1080p)
338 g - 290g
4600 mAh - 3950 mAh
NA - Wireless charging built-in
Samsung Exynos 4 Quad core, 1600 MHz - Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro, 1.5GHz
ARM Mali-400 MP4 - Adreno 320
Micro SD slot - NA
Both have Bluetooth and wifi
Both have same cameras (front and back)
Both have 2 gigs of ram
$330 (Varying) - $229
Specs are mixed between the two, better screen on Nexus 7, better processor on Galaxy note 8, Better battery on note 8.
I'm currently hooked on the Galaxy note 8 because of the spen, better battery, and bigger screen. but the new nexus 7 is lighter, better screen, price, and it's pure Google, updates first, easier to root.
So from your experience with the nexus 7, please tell me weather I should get it for my birthday, I really don't want to make the wrong choice.
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Grab the Note 8...it's a no brainer..don't let anyone tell you differently!
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GreatLachlan said:
So, for my birthday, I've wanted a Samsung Galaxy Note 8, but because of the release of the new nexus 7, I'm starting to think that the nexus 7 might be the better choice.
I've mainly wanted the Galaxy note 8 because of that extra inch, and the spen of course.
I think the specs are better in the nexus 7 slightly.
Galaxy note 8 vs Nexus 7 (2013)
189 ppi - 323 ppi (1080p)
338 g - 290g
4600 mAh - 3950 mAh
NA - Wireless charging built-in
Samsung Exynos 4 Quad core, 1600 MHz - Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro, 1.5GHz
ARM Mali-400 MP4 - Adreno 320
Micro SD slot - NA
Both have Bluetooth and wifi
Both have same cameras (front and back)
Both have 2 gigs of ram
$330 (Varying) - $229
Specs are mixed between the two, better screen on Nexus 7, better processor on Galaxy note 8, Better battery on note 8.
I'm currently hooked on the Galaxy note 8 because of the spen, better battery, and bigger screen. but the new nexus 7 is lighter, better screen, price, and it's pure Google, updates first, easier to root.
So from your experience with the nexus 7, please tell me weather I should get it for my birthday, I really don't want to make the wrong choice.
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I actually returned my note 8 for the nexus 7
I miss the SD card, the extra inch and that's about it
I mostly use tablets for reading and video. Hence, having more dpi was important to me. Plus this thing is super smooth compared with the note 8.
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Oh and, why do you need the sPen so bad? I have never found a good use for it other than being able to scroll while hand were messy, so as not to worry about getting oil on the screen from eating, etc
I hated the resolution in the note 8, this became very evident while trying to read and zooming in on stuff
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Also, the note 8 felt cheap and I already have the s4. It just felt like a bigger s4 with a crappier screen.
I guess i went with nexus 7 becuase I wanted to have a new device that worked differently and wasn't just a bigger screen twin of my s4
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I had the note 8. Returned it for the nexus 7 2013.
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According to an article in Korea times ...s4 will be released in Feb 2013...so most of us who did not upgrade to galaxy s3 should wait about 6 more months to get the most powerful beast in our hands...
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2012/09/133_120024.html
This is to destroy the so fana iphone 5 benchmark im sure ,! But please not too big Samsung !
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If they go for anything larger than the S3 they can forget about me buying that.
S3's size is utterly ridiculous (can't find many people who can 100% interact with it with only one hand), anything larger that that will be just sad.
Only thing left is to pray to the electronics god that Google makes their next Nexus in the size of the current one / S2's! can't imagine a better phone size, bigger than the tiny iPhone (yea, talking about the new fella) but easy to play with using one hand only.
if only the'll be able to also make it Super AMOLED Plus (like the S2's non-PenTile, but with S3's resolution).
S4 might not have a screen larger than S3 since the current size distinction gives proper difference between the S and Note lines. If size goes beyond 4.8 will impact sales of either of them.
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The more I use my S2..the more I feel it's the perfect size. I had a GNex for a bit and it was just a tad too wide. I think something the size of the s2 with a edge to edge screen would be great.
Yeah then we wait for the S5 next year :banghead: and S6 the year after that
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S4? U kidding they have to dump a huge number of S3 into market.. After huge success of this they ll plan for S3 with Dual sim then when competitors move to hexa core or jump into 2GB RAM then they start S4 may be,,
My wishlist for S4-
1. Quad core 2GHZ preferably Tegra 3 .
2. 2GB RAM with nVidia GPU.
3. 4.3" Super AMOLED HD display with 720*1280 res (Enough )
4. Design of S2 is must( Best designed phone)
5. Aluminum casing for back cover with S logo.
6. 12 MP camera carl zeiss.. (Nokia Fan)
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Prashanthme said:
S4? U kidding they have to dump a huge number of S3 into market.. After huge success of this they ll plan for S3 with Dual sim then when competitors move to hexa core or jump into 2GB RAM then they start S4 may be,,
My wishlist for S4-
1. Quad core 2GHZ preferably Tegra 3 .
2. 2GB RAM with nVidia GPU.
3. 4.3" Super AMOLED HD display with 720*1280 res (Enough )
4. Design of S2 is must( Best designed phone)
5. Aluminum casing for back cover with S logo.
6. 12 MP camera carl zeiss.. (Nokia Fan)
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May I ask, why Nvidia GPU? I should say that most benchmarks say that our mali-400mp4 clocked at 266mhz is just as powerful as the full clocked tegra 3 gpu variant, plus we have a much lower resolution screen than any tegra 3 powered deice I have ever seen, meaning our device can end up playing better games that quite a few of the devices with the tegra chip in it. Like with full effects enabled on dead trigger, it is so much smoother than my nexus 7 with it's gpu overclocked from 416mhz to 520mhz. Personally I would take the overclocked 440mhz mali-400mp4 in the s3 anyday over any nividia GPU. Althoug, the gpu going to be used in some of the new exynos 5 chips which should power the s4, looks incredible.
Prashanthme said:
My wishlist for S4-
1. Quad core 2GHZ preferably Tegra 3 .
2. 2GB RAM with nVidia GPU.
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Pfff......The exynos 4212 and MALI 400MP still kicks tegra 3 a** and the S4 will have a exynos 5250 with mali t604 which is a total BEAST.
sahibunlimited said:
Pfff......The exynos 4212 and MALI 400MP still kicks tegra 3 a** and the S4 will have a exynos 5250 with mali t604 which is a total BEAST.
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Because I saw my friends Nexus 7 which played dead trigger more finely and smoother(Even mine was smoother ) so i thought tegra would be nice. Is S4 confirmed?
Like I give a ****.
Seriously, the longer I wait for Jelly Bean, the more I want a Nexus.
Besides that I hope they won't make the screen any bigger. Otherwise we'll run around with 11" smartphones and 17" tablets very soon.
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Prashanthme said:
Because I saw my friends Nexus 7 which played dead trigger more finely and smoother(Even mine was smoother ) so i thought tegra would be nice. Is S4 confirmed?
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Dead trigger is optimized from tegra 3 and the mali400 in s2 is a bit weaker from terga 3's gpu
TheSniperFan said:
Like I give a ****.
Seriously, the longer I wait for Jelly Bean, the more I want a Nexus.
Besides that I hope they won't make the screen any bigger. Otherwise we'll run around with 11" smartphones and 17" tablets very soon.
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Ya ur rite S2 is the Best screen size which fits perfectly in hand.. mainly robust Tablets max 10"
well samsung wants to keep a one year product schedule so its not news,but this reports states the phone will be 5 inches from 4.8, i wonder if the note will be bigger
According to Sammobile latest news, Samsung denied an S IV release in february or march. Link from source: http://sammyhub.com/2012/09/18/samsung-debunks-galaxy-s-iv-rumor/. Another link is http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_responds_to_galaxy_s_iv_rumors_debunks_them-news-4819.php
If someone released a 4inch Nexus with good hardware and a solid build I'd be all over it like a rash.
Instead the phones are getting too big and too ugly. I've never had an iPhone but I can see the appeal. You invest in an iPhone 5 now and you're guaranteed long term software support and your device maintains its value. I'm sick of all these phones coming out that feel outdated and forgotten in 6 - 12 months. Who do you hear saying "don't buy an iphone 5 the iphone 6 is coming out next year".
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If someone released a 4inch Nexus with good hardware and a solid build I'd be all over it like a rash.
Instead the phones are getting too big and too ugly. I've never had an iPhone but I can see the appeal. You invest in an iPhone 5 now and you're guaranteed long term software support and your device maintains its value. I'm sick of all these phones coming out that feel outdated and forgotten in 6 - 12 months. Who do you hear saying "don't buy an iphone 5 the iphone 6 is coming out next year".
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Sadly you're kinda right.
I've already made my decision. My next phone will be a Nexus, period.
I could forgive the longer wait for updates, if I'd actually use them. At the moment the only reason I'm waiting for updates is because the cm team can make a proper one with those.
There is only one manufacturer that does great modifications to android, but those phones aren't available here. :'(
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So let's match up the latest contender against the current king of "pocketables" (our beloved Tab 7.7) in terms of hardware:
Specs of the main rivals (as of Nov 2012):
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Galaxy Tab 7.7 iPad Mini Nexus 7 Kindle Fire HD
Dimensions 196.7 x 133 x 7.9 mm 200 x 134.7 x 7.2 mm 198.5 x 120 x 10.5 mm 193 x 137 x 10.3 mm
Weight 340 g 308 g 340 g 395 g
Resolution 1280 x 800 1024 x 768 1280 x 800 1280 x 800
Screen 7.7" 196 ppi 7.9" 162 ppi 7.0" 216 ppi 7.0" 216 ppi
Cams 3.15 & 2 MP 5 & 1 MP 1.2 MP 1.3 MP
Micro-SD yes no no no
CPU Dual-core 1.4 GHz A9 Dual-core 1 Ghz A9 Quad-core 1.3 GHz A9 Dual-core 1.2 GHz A9
GPU Mali-400MP PowerVR SGX MP4+ GeForce PowerVR SGX540
RAM 1 GB 512 MB 1 GB 512 MB
GPS yes no yes no
Misc voice call support NFC
Verdict:
Dimensions: draw
Weight: iPad Mini
Resolution: Tab 7.7
Screen: Tab 7.7
Cams: draw
Micro-SD: Tab 7.7
CPU: Tab 7.7
GPU: Tab 7.7
RAM: Tab 7.7
GPS: Tab 7.7
Looking at the hardware it looks like a clear win for the Tab 7.7.
For those looking for LTE data: supported by both Verizon's Tab 7.7 and iPad Mini LTE version
So, to summarize the iPad Mini:
The Good: light weight, good back cam
The Bad: front cam, no expandable memory, no USB peripheral connectivity, no GPS
The Ugly: 162ppi (in 2012) is going to be pushing it when reading full size PDFs, non-uniform bezel not really great design choice
What do you guys think?
The only good thing here, is that there will be a lot of accessories for the ipad mini and there is a slight chance that some of these might fit the 7.7 .
I do feel that samsung might come out with another amoled tab in january at CES but I could be wrong.
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The only good thing here, is that there will be a lot of accessories for the ipad mini and there is a slight chance that some of these might fit the 7.7 .
I do feel that samsung might come out with another amoled tab in january at CES but I could be wrong.
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I hope so too. A 7.7 successor with stylus, 1920x1080 (286 ppi) screen and wireless charging would be a game changer.
Accessories wise I'm pretty happy handling the device without any bulky covers; and the screen protectors won't be compatible, not sure what the Mini could contribute..
I'll pass on the Mini, if only to have it just play with. One dealbreaker too many -- no microsd slot. End of story.
I might jump ship for a Asus padphone 2
Tab 7.7 definitely wins here. The iPad mini isn't worth it.
Tab 7.7 has the native Voice Call !!!!!
Absolutely the must-have feature.
7.7 original innovation. Ipad Mini same as ipad 2 but smaller no innovation. And waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to expensive for it to compete with anything else. Sure the 7.7 was over $600 US but I would gladly pay that anytime over a shrunken down version of an old product
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While the hardware of the 7.7 is great and the fact that Samsung got it right on the size (a fraction of an inch really does matter in the 7inch tablet market) -- Apple's advantage is it's ecosystem. It is a fact that their tablets will be upgraded to iOS7 and iOS8. Until Android and/or Samsung get down to a good software support model we won't win. Give me a 7.7 Nexus that has an annual software update and isn't discontinued and I think I'll be happy.
Agreed the Gtab 7.7 is superior, and it was a device announced in 2011!
FrostByte1906 said:
While the hardware of the 7.7 is great and the fact that Samsung got it right on the size (a fraction of an inch really does matter in the 7inch tablet market) -- Apple's advantage is it's ecosystem. It is a fact that their tablets will be upgraded to iOS7 and iOS8. Until Android and/or Samsung get down to a good software support model we won't win. Give me a 7.7 Nexus that has an annual software update and isn't discontinued and I think I'll be happy.
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As long as some people from Team Hacksung don't jump ship, we'll have newer OSs. The 7.7 is mostly the same as a Galaxy SII, and almost the same as a Note. Both devices are being worked on by people from the Team, and most of the Exynos 4212's stupidities are known and somewhat understood. Although our device isn't as well supported as the Note, we will get whatever CM version the Note gets; right now locerra is working to avoid the rough edges, but if he stops doing so someone from the community will step up. We won't get a TouchWiz Android 4.2+, but we will get it (and future versions) on AOSP.
A 1024x768 4:3 screen vs 1280x800 SAMOLED+? It's not even fair.
Apparently the Mini doesn't include a GPS either, whereas the Tab7.7 comes out of the box with GPS enabled Google Maps. Then add (compass enabled) Streetview and Google Earth (and compare it to Apple maps w/o GPS) and it's not even a contest in this category.
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nephridium said:
I hope so too. A 7.7 successor with stylus, 1920x1080 (286 ppi) screen and wireless charging would be a game changer.
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+1 to that. My wish
I would say the nexus 7 is better based on the specs I do not like apple products at all but will probably buy the iPad mini when available to test it out and see how good the screen is compared to the nexus
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I just bought a gtab 7.7 and am well within my 14 day return period. Here are the reasons I am not going to get the ipad mini:
- GPS. How can apple not include this? Unbelievable.
- screen quality. While I have not seen the ipad mini, I love the display on the gtab 7.7. It is the best I've seen on any device.
- build quality. Better than any android device and at least as good as the ipad.
- expandable memory.
- haptic feedback. I love to use this while typing. It amazes me that apple, amazon and Asus do not include this on their devices and nobody complains.
The primary advantages for apple in my eyes include :
- great app eco system and developer support.
- warranty and service are Lexus like... at least in my experience.
So I'm keeping my gtab 7.7. This replaces my old school gtab 7 that I've had for two years.
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besides the app ecosystem, the tab 7.7 wins on everything to me.
to get an equivalent cellular model, with 64gb space (to compensate for no microsd slot) you'd be paying 600 bucks for the mini.
the tab 7.7 is a year old as well and it still kicks the llama's ass. samsung nailed it, was ahead of the game, but somehow didn't know how to market the best tab in this size range.
i really wish that android apps would catch up on the tablet-optimized space. the apps taht are tablet optimized are a much better experience than blown up phone app interfaces.
i personally wish google would put some android specifications that all manufacturers have to follow. enough so it is easier to develop for without affecting the different choices we can get.
idiotekniQues said:
besides the app ecosystem, the tab 7.7 wins on everything to me.
to get an equivalent cellular model, with 64gb space (to compensate for no microsd slot) you'd be paying 600 bucks for the mini.
the tab 7.7 is a year old as well and it still kicks the llama's ass. samsung nailed it, was ahead of the game, but somehow didn't know how to market the best tab in this size range.
i really wish that android apps would catch up on the tablet-optimized space. the apps taht are tablet optimized are a much better experience than blown up phone app interfaces.
i personally wish google would put some android specifications that all manufacturers have to follow. enough so it is easier to develop for without affecting the different choices we can get.
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That's why he have Paranoid Android - to change per app DPI.
I just installed Paranoid Android v2.5. It's a very good ROM. You can change the looks from tablet mode to phone mode, or hybrid mode - phanblet mode.
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That's why he have Paranoid Android - to change per app DPI.
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totally agree
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Hi guys
Need a little help if u can...
On a local pricerunner like site I can find different specs on different versions of the Note 10.1 and the Note 8.0 in terms of processor.
For the 10.1 I can find two set of specs: One with a 1.4 GHz quad-core Exynos processor and one with a 1.4 GHz Cortex-A9 processor. Both called Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 (one is grey the other is white).
For the 8.0 I can only find a 1.6 GHz Cortex-A9 processor.
I guess what I'm asking is what's the difference in performance? Cuz' theres only about 20 USD between the 8.0 and the Exynos 10.1...
If anyone has some input it would be much appreciated
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Hi guys
Need a little help if u can...
On a local pricerunner like site I can find different specs on different versions of the Note 10.1 and the Note 8.0 in terms of processor.
For the 10.1 I can find two set of specs: One with a 1.4 GHz quad-core Exynos processor and one with a 1.4 GHz Cortex-A9 processor. Both called Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 (one is grey the other is white).
For the 8.0 I can only find a 1.6 GHz Cortex-A9 processor.
I guess what I'm asking is what's the difference in performance? Cuz' theres only about 20 USD between the 8.0 and the Exynos 10.1...
If anyone has some input it would be much appreciated
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In real world usage you won't see a difference. The only time it may make a difference is when using benchmark tests. I would choose the tablet on which size is better suited to you rather than the cpu. ln the electronics game, they will always try to increase the number, whether it be ram, cpu clock speed, number of cores, resolution, or mega pixels. The consumer is led to believe that if it has a higher number it must be better. Usually it's just an incremental increase which doesn't really make a difference when using the device.
The 8.0, does have a the same screen resolution but on a smaller physical screen, so it'll look a little bit sharper. Personally I like the larger size, but some people prefer the sharper image. Especially when using the s-pen, I think the extra screen real estate helps. It is also beneficial when using multiview windows.
How much is the Note 10.1 going for nowadays? Last time I checked Costco was selling it for $429 with a free zipper case.
So I shouldn't worry about getting an Exynos or Cortex-A9 processor?
rtan73 said:
How much is the Note 10.1 going for nowadays? Last time I checked Costco was selling it for $429 with a free zipper case.
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Well here in Denmark the best price for the 10.1 is the grey Exynos edition selling at around $550 :-/ No case included. The Cortex-A9 edition is about $50 more.
I bought my Note 10.1 (16gig, wifi) on sale, for 385 Euros ($535) here in Norway two weeks ago, may 10'th, but they are back at 515 Euros ($715) again
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So I shouldn't worry about getting an Exynos or Cortex-A9 processor.
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Like he said he can't tell u directly which is for you. You can't come online and ask for which processor to get because like he said during use probably 95% of users can't and won't detect a diff.
Get a tablet based on size and functionality that's suited best for you.
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I got my Note 10.1 (16gb, wifi) for about $380 (taxes included) because of some SD sale a couple months ago. I don't think it's ever been that low since . Honestly though, I think you should choose the tablet based on the size. Personally, the only reason I'd upgrade my tablet now is if I could purchase something similar to the Note, but bigger (13"-15"). Otherwise, I love my Note for everything I'm trying to do with it.
I have both, grey note 10.1 since it was released, note 8 about 1 month.
Here are some opinions and other considerations
Performance - for me both are fine once bloat is removed - 8 has the edge.
I can overclock note8 stably to 1.8, but don't bother since it works fine at the default
Battery life - (my usage pattern is a couple of hours per day) - note10.1 wins - my charge was 1 per week,
Note8 about 3-4 days, not sure yet whether software or display.
Weight - note 8 is my preferred carry to work
Screen view comfort - note 10.1 wins with size of display
Spen writing, if you are holding the tablet while writing, 8 would win. If your normal placement was on a desk the 10.1 would win.
Charging - note8 much quicker (3.5 vs 6 hrs).
Accessories: consideration for cost if you already have accessories like otg-usb or mhl-hdmi adapters, the 10.1 has samsung 30 pin adapter, so previous 30-pin hdmi, usb etc work fine. The 8 has 11-pin micro-usb, which works with some old otg-usb adapters (eg for S2) but needs a newer vintage HDMI adapter. (The 30-pin adapter looks way more robust than the micro-usb).
Just to clarify things all note 10.1 and note 8 use same processor exynos 4 quad (but with different clock speed 1.4vs 1.6) the cortex a9 is the type of the processor architecture not a processor brand so there is no exynos note 10.1 and cortex a9 note 10.1 both white and gray use cortex a9 exynos 4 quad , good luck with your choice
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I got my Note 10.1 (16gb, wifi) for about $380 (taxes included) because of some SD sale a couple months ago. I don't think it's ever been that low since . Honestly though, I think you should choose the tablet based on the size. Personally, the only reason I'd upgrade my tablet now is if I could purchase something similar to the Note, but bigger (13"-15"). Otherwise, I love my Note for everything I'm trying to do with it.
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That's the cheapest I've ever seen it. For some reason the Note 10.1 doesn't go on sale as often as the Tab in either size.
If you're in the U.S. you might want to wait till "Black Friday". I got mine just last year at Best Buy during Black Friday and it was $50 off( and no I did not have to wait in line). A lot of online retailers also had it in their sale.
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Just to clarify things all note 10.1 and note 8 use same processor exynos 4 quad (but with different clock speed 1.4vs 1.6) the cortex a9 is the type of the processor architecture not a processor brand so there is no exynos note 10.1 and cortex a9 note 10.1 both white and gray use cortex a9 exynos 4 quad , good luck with your choice
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Exactly, Galaxy Note 8.0 and 10.1 share almost the same hardware. The Exynos is just clocked higher like the Note II. You only need a Kernel to reach the same clock (if you need it, I don't).
Furthermore the Galaxy Note is quite expensive at the moment. Last week when I checked prices at amazon Germany the price for the 3G Versions the Note 10.1 was 10 Euros below the 8.0! :silly: (440 vs 450 Euros)
I give you a tip:
If you are writing a lot (like me as a student) buy the Note 10.1.
If you can wait for a special offer (maybe 2 weeks, maybe 3 months, you never know) and like to have a more handy tablet, then buy the Note 8.0.
I previously owned Note 8.0 and I really liked it but it had it flaws... which eventually made me to change to Note 10.1. Things that bothered me on Note 8.0:
- Heat. While gaming and even in browsing the device sometimes tended to heat about just too much. Still usable but definetely bit annoying.
- Battery life. I use tablet thru whole day for work. Note 8.0 run out of juice just bit too early whereas Note 10.1 still can join me for games and movies after work with single charge.
- Screen issues. Excessive backlight bleeding. I checked several and all suffered from this. But I have read some people reporting not having any. So I guess you just need some luck. Also I see stucked pixels in some.
- Camera. Much worse than Note 10.1. I just want to take at least fairly ok pics and Note 8.0 just can't deliver.
Anyway, some of these maybe fixable (heat?) with firmware update. But my Note 10.1 just works better for my needs and can push easilly thru the day.
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..........Charging - note8 much quicker (3.5 vs 6 hrs)...............(The 30-pin adapter looks way more robust than the micro-usb).
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My Note 10.1 charges much faster, from 10% battery mine consistently charges in 4hrs 25min. (See attachment from 5%)
I also like the 30-pin connector because over the last 6 months I have seen literally 100's of tablets of various brands for sale on ebay with damage micro USB charging ports.
As far as price goes, deals can always be found on ebay from reportable sellers. I got my new Note 10.1 Dec. 20th 2012 for $385.00 delivered.
Currently on ebay ........
Dark gray 16gb - Buy me now $399.00 delivered
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kkretch said:
My Note 10.1 charges much faster, from 10% battery mine consistently charges in 4hrs 25min.
I also like the 30-pin connector because over the last 6 months I have seen literally 100's of tablets of various brands for sale on ebay with damage micro USB charging ports.
As far as price goes, deals can always be found on ebay from reportable sellers. I got my new Note 10.1 Dec. 20th 2012 for $385.00 delivered.
Currently on ebay ........
Dark gray 16gb - Buy me now $399.00 delivered
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About the same charging time for me. About 1h more than 8.0 in my experience.
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hmmm...maybe I've mixed up my plug-packs/cables for the 10.1, thanks
Xolo is launching tegra note powered by tegra 4 in my country for Rs18000 and N7 2013 is available for Rs21000
Tegra 4 has 4 cortex a-15 @1.8Ghz and I don't know much about GPU, but tegra note has 1280x800 pixels
I would prefer better gaming but I don't know much about the GPU frequency, 72 cores doesn't matter as those are not real cores, they all are not used i think ?
which one is better according to you?
Anandtech did a detailed review of the EVGA tegra Note.
Have a look... Might help you..
I'd personally stay away mostly because of Xolo
I think the tegra note has just 1gb of ram, it is useful for note taking though I presume, since the galaxy note tab with the spen works flawlessly for note taking, while my nexus 7 with a $2 stylus isn't that functional. I would only buy the tegra if you need you tab for note taking, drawing, etc. Just my opinion.
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I think the tegra note has just 1gb of ram, it is useful for note taking though I presume, since the galaxy note tab with the spen works flawlessly for note taking, while my nexus 7 with a $2 stylus isn't that functional. I would only buy the tegra if you need you tab for note taking, drawing, etc. Just my opinion.
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I bought an Advent Tegra Note yesterday. The screen is the weakest point so far. It looks very washed out and bland. Whites look kind of yellow, while colours are very muted. I spent some time looking at the Tegra Note and the 2013 Nexus 7 side by side and the Nexus screen is vastly superior, partly due to the extra resolution, but also due to its colour reproduction.
The reasons I bought the Note in spite of the poor screen are: It's very very quick indeed. My first benchmark run in Antutu beat the Note 3. Secondly I wanted an expansion slot so I can store a reasonable amount of music locally rather than in the cloud. Thirdly, I wanted to be able ton mirror the screen to a TV and use USB OTG at the same time - having a separate HDMI output allows this in theory (Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 8" can also do this by way of an adapter).
Did I mention how quick it is?
So Ive had my Note 4 for a nice bit, but now its time to stack it up against its in house brothers. Ive got in my stock an AT&T Samsung Galaxy S5 and a Wifi only Note 10.1 2014.
Both are the newest in their segments from Samsung, both packing some pretty great hardware. Lets break down how they compare with a few benchmarks. The two of which I decided to use was 3D Mark and Vellamo.
First I want to go over a brief overview of the specs for the unfamiliar.
Note 10.1 -Wifi only
Screen: 10.1" WQXGA Clear LCD (2560 x 1600), 299 ppi
CPU: Exynos® 5 Octa (1.9GHz Quadcore + 1.3 GHz Quadcore)
GPU: ARM Mali T628MP6 (6 Core)
RAM: 3Gb
Memory: 16GB with 32Gb Class 10 Micro SD
Sprint Note 4
Screen: 5.7” Quad HD Super AMOLED (2560 x1440), 515 ppi
CPU: Snapdragon 805 Quadcore 2.7GHz
GPU: Adreno 420
RAM: 3Gb
Memory: 16Gb with 16Gb Class 10 Micro SD
Galaxy S5
Screen: 5.1” FHD Super AMOLED (1920 x 1080), 432 ppi
CPU: Snapdragon 801 2.5 GHz
GPU: Adreno 330
RAM: 2Gb
Memory: 16Gb with Class 10 Micro SD
I would like to note that all of these devices are stock, used often, and not enhanced from their factory setting in any way.
LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!
3D Mark:
Note 10.1 This unit scored a number of 13513. I do want to make note that 3D mark has removed the device from caparisons as it was flagged for unfair modification to boost benchmark results. That being said, this turned out to be the runt of the litter despite the Octa-Core CPU in this benchmark.
Note 4 This device scored a whopping 20159 on this benchmark. With superior hardware to its brothers it bests even the iPhone 6 Plus which is scored at a modest 17843 and the iPhone 6 which is ranked even lower at 17307 on 3D Marks comparison charts.
Galaxy S5 This device ranked at a nice 18217. Besting both of Apples newest attempts and bumping along just short of Note 4.
Vellamo
This benchmark measures things a little differently, which I like. It has Browser benchmark, obviously for the borwser(For this I measured the stock Samsung browser and Chrome). It has Multicore which is exactly as it suggests, an advanced multicore benchmark. Lastly, it also has Metal, which measures maximum power of the device.
Note 10.1
Browser:
Samsung Browser: 3524
Chrome: 3214
The Note 10.1 seemed to really blaze along here, both results coming in with hot numbers ranking above HTC's M8.
Multicore The Device ranked a very nice 1570, it show up short of the G3 at 1711 and ahead of the nexus 5 at 1525.
Metal Once again, no disappointment. The device ranked in at 1374 beating out the Nexus 5 (1271) and coming in below the LG G3 (1497).
Galaxy S5
Browser:
Samsung Browser: 3278
Chrome: 2908
Bumping along a little slower than the Note 10.1, still scoring in with some nice results. This however was my daily driver for quite some time so cache and cookies may be hindering some performance here.
Multicore This device scoring a nice 1701, which is just ahead of Vellamo's score for the GS5 at 1647. Chugging along ahead of the Note 10.1 as with the 3D Mark, but not crushing it quite as bad. The Device ranks in just below the G3 as well, and has some significant distance ahead of the Nexus 5.
Metal Scoring an impressive 1518 this device is once again besting Vellamo's score for the GS5 at 1464. It tops everything on their comparison list except for the OnePlus One which ranks at 1653.
Note 4
Browser:
Samsung Browser: 3546
Chrome: 3377
Crushing the competition here, the Note 4 is the clear winner.
Multicore Dropping it like its hot at 1870, this bad boy is killing everything on their list.
Metal Going in for the finishing blow (Que mortal combat announcers "Finish Him") the Note 4 is sitting at staggering 1823. Surpassing the Galaxy S5 by over 300 points in this segment, and the top chart comparison the OnePlus One by 170 points.
With that out of the way, I do want to say benchmarks are not the end all be all. The devices are all great and id recommend all of them to anyone, but I figured this was interesting to see on a numbers game just how they matched up. I recommend reading up into the two benchmarks I used if your interested in testing things out for yourselves. I find them both interesting and they both seem to keep interest in accurate results. Hope you guys enjoyed this! Let me know what you think and feel free to share input you've found along the way!
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Interesting, Chrome is slower on each device. I wish I actually liked the stock browser...
On a side note: is the Quadrant benchmark still a thing? Looks like it hasn't been updated since 2002
I'm torn between getting a Note 4 or the Tablet (Note 10.1). The screen seems to be so much better on the 4 with its almost double ppi. I just think the Tablet would be more useful for the S Pen. Man can't decide lol.
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chevyhighrider said:
I'm torn between getting a Note 4 or the Tablet (Note 10.1). The screen seems to be so much better on the 4 with its almost double ppi. I just think the Tablet would be more useful for the S Pen. Man can't decide lol.
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I had a choice of brand spankin new Note 5 or a mildy used Note 4 from swappa, Note 4 hands down, Its not as pretty as Note 5 but I always slap a case on my phone anyways. The 64 bit processor in Note 5 is awesome gd investment for future but the Note 4 being 32 bit will be supported till 2020 at least. Removable battery is always required for me, sd slot, ir blaster....I have this thing tweaked every which way...thanks to awesome devs on xda.
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I'm torn between getting a Note 4 or the Tablet (Note 10.1). The screen seems to be so much better on the 4 with its almost double ppi. I just think the Tablet would be more useful for the S Pen. Man can't decide lol.
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Lollipop brightens the screen and makes it clearer as well. Got both the T-Mobile Note 4 and Note 10.1 2014 and Lollipop looks amazing on my tablet, downloaded a beach picture from a website in 2560x1600, and it looks clear. Definitely use the tablet with the spen more than the spen in my phone
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Thanks for the input. Ya pretty sure now that I'm going to use my money for a tablet not a phone. I just wish Samsung had or will have something to replace my Note 8.
what's a good benchmarking test aside from quadrant?