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[Q] Signal / attenuation issue on the M?

Just wondering if anybody has had any of the issues mentioned in these threads:
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/5fb46833c0?page=1
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-razr-m/224018-razr-m-antennagate.html
Mine has been solid, and more solid than the S3 I tested. But it has had a few quirks as well, and I live in a strong 4G area. Makes me wonder if my area wasn't as strong if I would be seeing these issues as well.

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I am also very interested in reports of radio/signal performance issues with this phone. I don't have mine yet, but I live and work in an area with extremely poor 3g only coverage and I will be very disappointed if the RF performance is not significantly improved from the first generation chip sets we have on current models.

cellzealot said:
I am also very interested in reports of radio/signal performance issues with this phone. I don't have mine yet, but I live and work in an area with extremely poor 3g only coverage and I will be very disappointed if the RF performance is not significantly improved from the first generation chip sets we have on current models.
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Exactly - that was one of the big reasons I opted for this over something like the Maxx. Heck, wasn't that one of the perks, supposedly, of the S4 chipset? Better and more efficient handling of LTE/3G signals? Obviously that doesn't help with the actual strength/quality of the antenna, but still...

I would appreciate it if more people could weigh in on this. I'm still on the fence about moving to big red for this phone, and if it is confirmed to have signal issues that will make my decision easier. Would especially love to hear from people who already had Verizon : better or worse signal with the M than with your previous phone?
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phositadc said:
I would appreciate it if more people could weigh in on this. I'm still on the fence about moving to big red for this phone, and if it is confirmed to have signal issues that will make my decision easier. Would especially love to hear from people who already had Verizon : better or worse signal with the M than with your previous phone?
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Who are you with currently?
And the fact that nobody is responding much in this thread (or the other linked threads) is probably because #1, not many people have the phone yet, or #2, it's an isolated issue.

jntdroid said:
Who are you with currently?
And the fact that nobody is responding much in this thread (or the other linked threads) is probably because #1, not many people have the phone yet, or #2, it's an isolated issue.
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Hoping for #2.
Currently with att. Been waiting forever for a high end phone that's got a small form factor, and I'm not confident we will see any others any time soon. So if this phone simply works as experience expected and isn't plagued with bugs, I will happily jump ship back to big red.
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I used to carry an HTC Thunderbolt and this phone actually pulls better signal than it and the data is faster as well. Signal is no issue at all. Hope that helps
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phositadc said:
Hoping for #2.
Currently with att. Been waiting forever for a high end phone that's got a small form factor, and I'm not confident we will see any others any time soon. So if this phone simply works as experience expected and isn't plagued with bugs, I will happily jump ship back to big red.
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Yeah I guess the inherent problem with a thread like this is you won't hear the other side represented. For the most part my signal has been flawless, but I live in a very solid 4G area. I was talking with my wife this morning and the call was very "crackly" - but honestly, her iPhone 4S has been acting funny lately anyway (external speaker randomly not working), so who knows where the problem lied.... lay... whatever.

jntdroid said:
Yeah I guess the inherent problem with a thread like this is you won't hear the other side represented. For the most part my signal has been flawless, but I live in a very solid 4G area. I was talking with my wife this morning and the call was very "crackly" - but honestly, her iPhone 4S has been acting funny lately anyway (external speaker randomly not working), so who knows where the problem lied.... lay... whatever.
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And how does the signal compare to your last phone or your wife's phone in dbm?
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phositadc said:
And how does the signal compare to your last phone or your wife's phone in dbm?
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Haven't tried to compare that specifically to her iphone, and I don't have my previous phone to compare with. However, it might not be the most accurate test anyway, unless I carried her phone around with me all day, b/c we have a water tower about 100 yards from our house that looks like it has "antennas" for just about every carrier, so my signal strength at home is always top notch.

I'm in the NYC Metro area with strong 4G signal. My prior phone was the RAZR MAXX. I really don't pay much attention to the 3G/4G reading or even the signal bars. That said, I would say this phone spends more time on 3G than I noticed on my prior phone. The Maxx would get hot without use, just in my shirt pocket, as I'd be walking through Manhattan and the battery would show it. It seems that it was continuously searching for or trying to hold a weaker 4G signal - only my guess. I have yet to experience that problem with this phone.
I haven't had any problem making calls with the M, the sound is very loud and clear.

I can chime in with my findings a bit. I just picked up 3 of these phones for our business. Side by side with my Galaxy nexus, the razr m has a couple less bars. If I run a speed test the razr m always has less download speed, but it has a higher upload speed. The ping time is higher on the Razr also. I can't say about call quality till after today though. Now one thing to keep in mind, my gnex has a aosp version of JB and this razr m has the stock ICS. That could make a difference right now. I will try to chime in today on call quality and such later tonight.

scarydecoy said:
I can chime in with my findings a bit. I just picked up 3 of these phones for our business. Side by side with my Galaxy nexus, the razr m has a couple less bars. If I run a speed test the razr m always has less download speed, but it has a higher upload speed. The ping time is higher on the Razr also. I can't say about call quality till after today though. Now one thing to keep in mind, my gnex has a aosp version of JB and this razr m has the stock ICS. That could make a difference right now. I will try to chime in today on call quality and such later tonight.
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From what I've read about the radios between the devices, the Gnex should have the ability to hit higher speeds than Moto's radios, but the stability/strength is another issue. Interesting that the Gnex is showing more bars, though!

scarydecoy said:
I can chime in with my findings a bit. I just picked up 3 of these phones for our business. Side by side with my Galaxy nexus, the razr m has a couple less bars. If I run a speed test the razr m always has less download speed, but it has a higher upload speed. The ping time is higher on the Razr also. I can't say about call quality till after today though. Now one thing to keep in mind, my gnex has a aosp version of JB and this razr m has the stock ICS. That could make a difference right now. I will try to chime in today on call quality and such later tonight.
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bars don't mean anything. Samsung could set 80dBm to mean 5 bars while Motorola could choose 80dBm to mean 3 bars. Please go into settings and compare the actual signal dBm reading of the M and the gnex!
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and on a side note, wasn't the gnex on Verizon notorious for having a terrible signal? If so, scary that the gnex signal may be better than the M.
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phositadc said:
and on a side note, wasn't the gnex on Verizon notorious for having a terrible signal? If so, scary that the gnex signal may be better than the M.
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Yes, and I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the M is better. The Gnex greatly improved after 4.0.4, and then Jelly Bean - but the M is still much better. The Gnex would actually drop data often, the M's main problem (if you want to even call it a problem yet) is switching to 3G - not dropping data altogether.

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Yes, and I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the M is better. The Gnex greatly improved after 4.0.4, and then Jelly Bean - but the M is still much better. The Gnex would actually drop data often, the M's main problem (if you want to even call it a problem yet) is switching to 3G - not dropping data altogether.
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I'd definitely like to see someone compare actual dBm numbers between the two then.
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phositadc said:
I'd definitely like to see someone compare actual dBm numbers between the two then.
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Well the data drop issue was more of a software problem than a dbm issue, if I remember right. Obviously dbm's play a part in what the software is going to do, but still. Software tweaks clearly helped out the Gnex and Bionic in that regard.

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Well the data drop issue was more of a software problem than a dbm issue, if I remember right. Obviously dbm's play a part in what the software is going to do, but still. Software tweaks clearly helped out the Gnex and Bionic in that regard.
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I was limited on time. The razr m doesnt show signal strength in the phone status. I grabbed a app and the M is anywhere from -81 to -70 and the gnex is -86 to -84. I havent had any signal issues on this gnex.. I went through a couple of them though.

From Gnex to Maxx HD...

Thinking about picking up a Maxx HD because I am starting to dislike the Gnex battery life. Its a tough decision since I would have to buy the Maxx HD off contract. Has anyone done this? Do they feel like they have given anything up (besides the ROMS). I feel with the JB leak and forthcoming official OTA it seems like the software is catching up. I know 4.2 is out there but it seems like the changes are more modular (Google Now being an update to Google Search, keyboard can be updated with root, camera can be updated with root, etc.) and am not sure 4.2 will be that critical. It seems the under the hood improvements are done in 4.1. So anyone have any thoughts on if its worth it to spend that much for the battery?

Well, I didn't come directly from Gnex to Maxx HD, but after 6 replacement Gnexes VzW let me swap out my Gnex for a Maxx. Loved the Gnex as a device, but for me it fell way short as a phone... I had constant call quality issues. I had been running mostly stock ROM's on my Gnex anyway, so flashing and modding weren't high on my priority list - I just wanted a phone that worked as a PHONE!
Right away I loved the Maxx - far superior call quality and, of course, insane batter life. All I wanted was call quality as charging my Gnex never really bothered me. That is until I got spoiled by the Maxx LOL. Not having to constantly monitor your usage in order to preserve battery was a (great) added benefit of making the switch.
Anyway, I decided to go ahead and get the Maxx HD at full retail. As much as I loved my Maxx I really missed my on screen navigation keys (as silly as that sounds). I thought I would return after the 14 days cuz $650 for on screen keys is crazy LOL. Well, today is day 15! This device is truly amazing IMO ... JB will make it that much better (so tempting to flash that leak, but I am trying to hold out for OTA).
My advice is this: if you got the cash and are on the market for a new device I'd definitely recommend the MAXX HD! Great battery, build and radios.
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Thanks for the advice. What really is putting me over the edge is I had this Android night class a couple of weeks ago. I would go into the 3.5 hour class with 100% battery or maybe less since it was at the end of the day. The room killed my reception, I had maybe a bar if I pointed it the right direction. I kid you not, the battery would be done by the end of that 3.5 hours. And I maybe sent a text or two or checked an ebay auction but it was basically unusable without the signal. So its not really about the radio, its more about the battery. Now I have times where I let it sit over night then wake up with maybe 90% if i am lucky and then its a while till I get to a power source. At work I can have it plugged in all the time if I want and in the car I can plug it it. But its starting to become a "wired" device instead of wireless since I have it plugged in all the time so I have 100% when I go somewhere. I hate having to turn this and that off to get a days worth of a charge.

I hear ya... I am not a heavy user (by my definition of the phrase), but I have been averaging about 1 day / 15 to 17 hours on my MAXX HD. Around 2-3 hours screen time, 1.5 - 2 hours of calls, about an hour or so on Pandora and sometimes there's GPS in the mix as well on a single charge.
Bad reception will kill any phone's battery, but at least with the Maxx you've got a big reservoir ...
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Coming from an Inc4G to the Maxx HD its like night and day. While I did like the Inc this phone blows it out of the water in pretty much every department, and seeing as this is my first Moto phone I am very impressed with the quality. As everyone's saying once JB comes and perhaps we get a few good devs supporting this new Razr line (read: roms and mods lol), this phone will be a BEAST
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I also went from gnex to HD Maxx. Got it first weekend of release.
I love it. It's really in a different class in terms of build quality, design, and audio. It's got the best speakerphone that I've ever heard in a cell. The battery of course is great and with our extended post-Sandy outage it's been very useful.
I had the giant extended battery on the gnex and the HD Max gets longer life.
Sure it's a drag with no JB at launch, but the leak is already out and hopefully the dev community will latch on to the phone. The HD is a serious device with a pro-quality feel to it. I haven't looked back.
John

If you have to buy off contract check out the HD dev edition.. It is unlockable just like the Gnex. I get over a days worth of battery with moderate use.

GoClifGo05 said:
If you have to buy off contract check out the HD dev edition.. It is unlockable just like the Gnex. I get over a days worth of battery with moderate use.
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I thought about that but I would love to just have so much battery I don't know what to do with it. I am kind of tired of turning all this stuff off in regards to saving battery. I am kind of done with ROMS, I hate flashing over and over, I just like to keep my set up. And with ICS and JB, Android is at a pretty sweet spot with Google Now being the one thing that is missing from the Razr HD a the moment. But with a leak or officially soon that will be fixed. I am getting bored with the hardware now, and I think from what I have read, the radios and call quality might be better than the Gnex. I had a Bionic for a short time and liked it.

There is a general consensus on the build quality and radios of the Moto phones... hard to beat.
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I am in the exact same boat. Using a Verizon Gnex with unlimited data plan, means I have to buy at full retail to keep it. I was set to to switch to TMO when the Nexus 4 was announced, but I found its tiny storage and no LTE underwhelming. And the Gnex/JB battery life is atrocious. ~5hrs with heavy use and moderate signal strength. And thats with the ext battery.
The HD Maxx is about the only Vzw phone I can consider though.
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this is the perfect pick for you, unbeatable battery life, even on the RazrHD, the MaxxHD is in its own league. Plus awesome build, and aosp inspired moto ui

check this out, from the other day... my Gnex couldn't touch it, so glad I switched
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Bateluer said:
I am in the exact same boat. Using a Verizon Gnex with unlimited data plan, means I have to buy at full retail to keep it. I was set to to switch to TMO when the Nexus 4 was announced, but I found its tiny storage and no LTE underwhelming. And the Gnex/JB battery life is atrocious. ~5hrs with heavy use and moderate signal strength. And thats with the ext battery.
The HD Maxx is about the only Vzw phone I can consider though.
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5 hours with extended battery!?!? that is insane

I came from a vzw gnex. Battery life was just too horrible for me to mess with anymore. My razr maxx hd is averaging 1 day 17 hours with 4.5 hrs on screen time. My gnex never got 2hrs on screen time. For these reasons im glad i switched.
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5 hours with extended battery!?!? that is insane
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OEM extended battery was only 2100mah. :-/ Hardly worthy of the name.
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Also with Team Maxx HD
I have the Maxx HD too. Signed a two year contract to get it. But all of you guys boasting about the battery, i'll need some advice. I havent really noticed the rave. i mean it's better than my epic but not by a lot. I heard after the first few charges of any new battery it reaches it's potential..Could that be it??? Also ive been using it every day for pretty much of the day but no heavy use...could that be it as well??
Last question is i wanted to put the JB leak but was afraid since it's not official from Verizon i could start seeing battery drainage..Has anyone else considered putting the JB leak on their phone?

I've had the Verizon g nex, SGSIII, Rezound, dinc 2, Droid X (lol) and the iPhone 4s. Now I have the Maxx HD and this phone smokes all of them IMO. My wife and daughter both have the SGSIII and my son has the Razr Maxx. I've done side by side with all of them and the Maxx HD wins in every department.
Some of you may say "well of course chef is gonna say this he owns a Maxx HD now!". I've had em all (except the Note 2 ) and this phone is my personal favorite.
The Note 2 is around the corner too. So maybe wait a couple weeks and play with the Maxx HD and note 2 and see which you like better if you're going to pay off contract pricing. I'm hearing reports that the Note 2 has great battery life also.
Hope that info helps ya.
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The Max HD is hands down my favorite android device. Here is how I came upon owning one.
First and foremost, I am an att customer. I have been on my family plan for years and I am always trying out new phones,whether they are att released phones or internationally released phones. I like apple's products and currently own an iPhone 5 and an iPad. I also really like a lot of thibgs about android devices and feel they are coming closer and closer to the polish that ios carries. I most recently tested out an international note 2 (good device).
For work my company uses Verizon and I have a company provided blackberry to handle my work emails and calls etc.
Anyway I live in the suburbs of new jersey, outside of art lte coverage, so lte has never really been an important feature for me. Sure I could hop on it when I work in new York city but for the most part I'm on hspa+
When hurricane sandy hit, we lost power and basically all att service. Our phones would not call out,receive calls, send texts,emails, NOTHING. on the other hand, my Verizon blackberry was our window to the world phone call wise- at this time the blackberry screen decided to **** the bed.
Then our devices (my current iPhone 5) began dying. All and all the situation was extremely frustrating. Having no cell or data service at a time where there is nothing else to do but sit in the dark and drink was a huge bummer.
This week, I caught up with one of our office administrators to discuss how we were going to replace my broken blackberry. During our discussion she brought up how it is an option to buy your own phone, and use it as one business/personal device since our service is unlimited (and it was definitely annoying to have to carry around two phones at all times)
So here I am. I walked into Verizon yesterday and purchased the Max HD. I have unlimited late everywhere I have gone so far (I have yet to see the 3g symbol). I am pulling down speeds averaging around 18mbps, and have yet to even switch wifi on. The phone is plenty snappy for everyday usage and then some. Call quality and reception are phenominal thanks to motos awesome radios
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Last night I downloaded an episode of a show I had missed via torrents. That is simply stuff you just can't do in iOS.
Tldr :
I love this phone. Build quality and performance as well as practicality and use ability as a phone is second to none.
The note 2 does have a big battery,but then again I was using the GSM international version. I haven't paid attention to any reviews of the us lte version. The quad core does run some higher end games better than the Max, but that is nit important to me. I don't have the time or the energy to play games other than casual stuff like scramble, doodle jump and rayman jungle run - all of which run fine on the Max. If you're a power user this probably is your better bet. I however am a casual user, that uses their phone heavily. This device is perfect for that. Also, motos skin is much nicer than touchwiz. The build quality is also much nicer.
Max HD, best phone you could get, and paired with my iPad for tablet use, graphically intensive games and couch use, it is the best of both worlds. I'm siked on my current setup.
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I am currently a Verizon GNex User. However after a rash of replacements I am now approved for a "Replacement Device" after comparing all the features of the Gnex I am pushing for a Maxx HD as it offers the battery life and storage capacity I am looking for plus the option for a micro SD has me excited. I have been using JB for a while so to downgrade back down to ICS will be a challenge however I know of the JB Leak and as long as it's Stock and preforms I am going to be very happy I believe. I am currently awaiting the call back from VZW Tech Support to give me the recommended replacement options. It should be noted I bought the extended life battery and Otterbox. I will be happy to toss the otterbox.
I will update when I "hopefully" get the good news.
Update ** -- They offered a Original RAZR - I indicated that I use NFC and have 32GB of storage and have an extended batter with a 4.7 inch screen. I paid 400.00 with a 2 year at launch so I would not accept anything less then a RAZR HD 16GB.
2nd Update ** -- They have now offered me a Galaxy S3 with Extended Life Battery. The Razr HD is not on the table because it is a "Iconic" premotional device.But at least I will get a great replacement with data now.

DeadPhoenix said:
I am currently a Verizon GNex User. However after a rash of replacements I am now approved for a "Replacement Device" after comparing all the features of the Gnex I am pushing for a Maxx HD as it offers the battery life and storage capacity I am looking for plus the option for a micro SD has me excited. I have been using JB for a while so to downgrade back down to ICS will be a challenge however I know of the JB Leak and as long as it's Stock and preforms I am going to be very happy I believe. I am currently awaiting the call back from VZW Tech Support to give me the recommended replacement options. It should be noted I bought the extended life battery and Otterbox. I will be happy to toss the otterbox.
I will update when I "hopefully" get the good news.
Update ** -- They offered a Original RAZR - I indicated that I use NFC and have 32GB of storage and have an extended batter with a 4.7 inch screen. I paid 400.00 with a 2 year at launch so I would not accept anything less then a RAZR HD 16GB.
2nd Update ** -- They have now offered me a Galaxy S3 with Extended Life Battery. The Razr HD is not on the table because it is a "Iconic" premotional device.But at least I will get a great replacement with data now.
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Iconic promotional device? Or do they just have a bunch if gs3 refurbs laying around? Are they giving you a new phone?
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Droid razr HD vs Droid DNA

I currently have a rooted verizon galaxy nexus lte and i am eledgible for an upgrade and have narrowed my choices down to the razr hd and dna so id like to know some pro about the Droid RAZR HD and how is the verizon signal because the nexus can barely hold on to a 4G signal so can this phone hold on to Verizo 4G signal well?
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I just recently went from the galaxy nexus to the RAZR maxx HD and wow night and day difference between signal reliability. I've never even seen the 3g signal icon on my phone until I was messing with it and put it in CDMA only mode. And because the maxx version has a massive battery I can go 2.5-3 days on a single charge with 5-6 hours of on screen time.
Best phone I've purchased so far as signal strength and battery life goes.
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Thanks that seems like enough to make me buy a razr hd soon because my signal goes from 4G to 3G alot and it sucks on the Nexus.
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I love my maxx hd lol the best phone ever. Using it on t-mobile not verizon, but the signal still great. Highly recommend
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So the verizon razr HD is sim unlocked for tmobile and at&t or are you using the gsm version of the phone?
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Yeaup..definitely go for a RAZR HD,if you want strong battery,strong signal,stronger quality and at the same time have the same look and feel of stock android since your coming from a nexus then definently go for a RAZR HD. Nothing the droid DNA has that can out shine the RAZR HD besides a quadcore and 1080p resolution which you can barely even tell the difference from a dualcore and 720p resolution

Glad to see this thread, because I"m in the same boat...but I've never had any trouble "holding on to an LTE signal" on my GNex. The battery in the MAXX HD makes me giddy like a schoolgirl. 1080p on the DNA is hot, though.

I had the DNA for almost two weeks before i returned it for the Razr MAxx HD.
why did i return it? the DNA battery was crap, would barely last a work day. the screen looked nice, but the phone itself was slightly uncomfortably large. lots of incompatible apps/games due to new resolution (this will all be fixed eventually).
i love the maxx hd because of the battery life. i regularly get 2.5-3 days before i have to charge.

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I had the DNA for almost two weeks before i returned it for the Razr MAxx HD.
why did i return it? the DNA battery was crap, would barely last a work day. the screen looked nice, but the phone itself was slightly uncomfortably large. lots of incompatible apps/games due to new resolution (this will all be fixed eventually).
i love the maxx hd because of the battery life. i regularly get 2.5-3 days before i have to charge.
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Not to mention the DNA only has 11g of usable storage, nonexpandable. Pretty much a deal breaker for me.

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Not to mention the DNA only has 11g of usable storage, nonexpandable. Pretty much a deal breaker for me.
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Non removable storage is a deal breaker for me also.
Razr Hd or Razr Maxx HD.
I had a regular Razr Maxx but traded for a Razr HD. IMHO the Razr HD is better than the OG Razr Maxx.

I Had the DNA as my upgrade, I was torn between Razr HD and DNA
I chose the DNA because it was more "future proof" with a 1080p display and quad core
well I only owned it 2 days, because the battery didnt last very well for me and also the gorilla glass has tons of little scratches on it (im VERY careful with my phones...so I decided to get Razr HD and pay the $35 restocking fee.
now I will say it takes about 2 days for your battery to be "trained" so until that 2 days or so of charging cycles, the battery isnt the best, but after your battery is "trained" it can easily last 14 hours with decent use
but performance wise, the DNA wins hands down.
all im going to say about that is the quad core coupled with the 2GB of ram is amazing
and HTC sense (not my fav either) isnt laggy or slow with it, its pretty much project butter at its best
and I have noticed with the Razr HD some lag in the app drawer, but besides that its a great device.
Now my final answer is this:
google owns motorola, so I would think this phone will get android 4.2 and maybe the next version or 2 of android
the DNA is an HTC phone, and as much as I loved HTC...I am a owner of the T-bolt and I can say updates are almost non-existant so only expect to get android 4.2 by end of 2013
TO SUM IT UP
Droid DNA if your a performance person, and near a charger all the time
Droid RAZR HD if you want a "stock-nexus" feel with UI and pretty good battery life and hopefully updates for the next 2 years

Yeah go with the Razr its the bomb. I have yet to see 3g also.

If you want to make phone calls in places you never dreamed possible and have reliable data connections then go with the RAZR HD. The signal strength and quality is quite literally unparalleled. Its a phone first and then a (damn good!) Smartphone second. I forgot how much I appreciated that since most other smartphones suck at being phones.

I have owned and used both phones., coming from a Droid RAZR
The benefits of the Droid DNA are the high revolution 1080p screen, and quad core processor. However, the battery life was unacceptably short (would not last a full work day with several hours of use). The device is also uncomfortably large in your pocket.
I ultimately purchased a Droid RAZR HD Maxx. The 720p screen and faster dual-core processor are still a very noticeable upgrade from my previous phone. The build quality of Motorola phones is great, and the battery life is untouchable (I can go 2 full days of heavy data, GPS, and video use on one battery charge).
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GS3 VS Droid Razr HD

Hi- I currently have the Galaxy S III on Verizon and have grown to hate it with a passion. The reception is horrid no matter where I go and it's the same story no matter what. When I first got the phone, it wasn't a problem. Somehow, even with three replacements, it's the same issues over and over. I've tried changing radios, etc. and it never fixes it. The phone cannot be kept in my pocket.
Verizon offered allow me to swap the GS3 for a Droid Razr HD and I said okay. It hasn't gotten here yet, but I'm already a little cautious. I'm willing to go back to a locked bootloader if it means having a phone that works, but.... I just noticed it only has 1Gb of RAM.
How smooth is the phone? Is battery life acceptible even without a removable battery on the HD?
Anybody go from a GS3 to a Razr HD? I'm sure Motorola makes a perfectly decent phone, but I'm wondering if I would have been better selling the GS3 outright and buying something else. The rep tried to swap it out for an OG Razr and I laughed in his face. Seems the HD is the best they can do... not even the Maxx HD. Errrrr.

If your having reception issues the the RAZR HD is your best choice,Motorola is known for having really good data connection.I to went from an s3 to a RAZR HD and you can't even notice a difference.RAZR HD is still as smooth,even better the battery life can last for at least a full day or day in a half depending how its used maybe even longer I've seen screenshots posted on here from ppl getting 2-3 days without a charge. The only thing I kinda miss while having the s3 is the dev community/ROMs.the RAZR HD has a locked boot loader making the ROMs for this phone harder and slower,this only about 5 ROMs that you can use for this phone

Thanks for the 411! I'm trying to stay optimistic.
I've never owned a Motorola, but if the reception is as good as everybody says, I think I'll be content.

I've had the s3,iPhone5,note2 and now the RAZR HD . Thank god for Motorola phones it easily has the best build quality signal strength and screen out of all android phones and it beats the iPhone 5 well because iOS is very stale. Mine is rooted and I'm using stock jrllybean browser instead of chrome and stock camera and gallery instead of moto's loving this phone.

I was on an airplane two nights ago with my RAZR HD and switched it out of Airplane mode while in flight 20 minutes after takeoff... I got signal, even EVDO at one point.
Of course we were flying a Dash 8, not a jet. Still, it was between two and full bars of signal. :laugh:

Silly22 said:
I was on an airplane two nights ago with my RAZR HD and switched it out of Airplane mode while in flight 20 minutes after takeoff... I got signal, even EVDO at one point.
Of course we were flying a Dash 8, not a jet. Still, it was between two and full bars of signal. :laugh:
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The S3 has more RAM but the Razr HD has a bigger battery and way better design and build quality IMO. People say reception is better with Motorola as well. With the S3 you get better custom ROMs though and a bigger screen with more usable area due to the on-screen keys on the Razr HD.
A friend of mine has the S3 and I personally much preferred my Razr HD after comparing the two side-by-side. I really don't like the "button" on the front of the S3 and it just felt too junky to be a high end phone.

They accidentally sent me another S3 so now I won't get the Razr HD until Monday. Luckily, when I called they allowed me to switch the color from white to black. The first rep would only send white. Yuck.
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I've had the s3,iPhone5,note2 and now the RAZR HD . Thank god for Motorola phones it easily has the best build quality signal strength and screen out of all android phones and it beats the iPhone 5 well because iOS is very stale. Mine is rooted and I'm using stock jrllybean browser instead of chrome and stock camera and gallery instead of moto's loving this phone.
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I def. want to use the stock browser instead of chrome. I plan on rooting, but I'm rather over custom ROMs for the most part. I'll just need to find me something as an alternative to Allshare Play. I like having one app for dlna and remote access that offers the privacy of not having to share everything with my entire network.

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They accidentally sent me another S3 so now I won't get the Razr HD until Monday. Luckily, when I called they allowed me to switch the color from white to black. The first rep would only send white. Yuck.
I def. want to use the stock browser instead of chrome. I plan on rooting, but I'm rather over custom ROMs for the most part. I'll just need to find me something as an alternative to Allshare Play. I like having one app for dlna and remote access that offers the privacy of not having to share everything with my entire network.
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I have had an Atrix, Razr, and now the Razr HD. Love them all. Just got the HD to replace an S3 so far i really like it. Great speed and reception. its only been a day so battery life, while good so far today we've only just begun.

I got my Droid Razr HD today and well.... So far, the reception in my house is a bit better. I'll have to do some real world tests tomorrow and see if it keeps reception going in and around town where the GS3 fails.
I must say though, it's on ICS still, but it does lag a tad. Hmmmmmm. I'll have to update and then check it out.
I must say, hot holy hell, the build quality of this phone though. Freakin' amazing! It actually feels like I'm holding a well made item in my hands. This is no comparison to any other Samsung or HTC products I've had. Also, the camera doesn't really seem that bad. I'm not a fan of stock Android.... so this may take some getting used to or some creative changes, but I can definitely see tons of appeal for this product.

bbeelzebub said:
I got my Droid Razr HD today and well.... So far, the reception in my house is a bit better. I'll have to do some real world tests tomorrow and see if it keeps reception going in and around town where the GS3 fails.
I must say though, it's on ICS still, but it does lag a tad. Hmmmmmm. I'll have to update and then check it out.
I must say, hot holy hell, the build quality of this phone though. Freakin' amazing! It actually feels like I'm holding a well made item in my hands. This is no comparison to any other Samsung or HTC products I've had. Also, the camera doesn't really seem that bad. I'm not a fan of stock Android.... so this may take some getting used to or some creative changes, but I can definitely see tons of appeal for this product.
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The build quality, reception and battery life are leaps and bounds above the rest. I really like where Motorola is heading with their phones. I'm also coming from 2 previous Samsung phones with horrible reception aka Verizon galaxy nexus.
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Verizon G2 signal

I've had my Verizon LG G2 for four days. It seems that the phone data signal mostly stays at 1-2 bars. It's mainly on 4G, but there are times that it drops to 3G, even 1X. I have run side by side tests with an S4 where its signal icon is at least a bar higher and is always on 4G.
Does the G2 have a weaker antenna than the S4? Or could I have a faulty phone?
Here's another thing, MMS messages seems to take between 30-45 seconds to send. I am a new Verizon subscriber, but when I was on Sprint my phones rarely took this long to send an MMS. Is the length of time my phone takes to send an MMS normal for Verizon?
Lastly, my phone heats up to the point of getting hot whenever I'm on a call for more than 5 minutes or whenever I send multiple MMS messages. If I took the phone back to the Verizon corp store where it was purchases, would it qualify for a new replacement?
Thanks in advance.

I don't see any of that on mine and the signal is much better than my old GNEX.
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My G2 gets 2-3 bars indoors where I work, where my GNex would struggle just to keep one bar. If I go outside, it gets a full 4-5 bars and good speed too (I hit 43.8 mbps just this afternoon on Speed Test). Granted, the GNex's radio hardware sucked, but I don't find the G2's to be a disappointment at all.
For a better comparison than number of bars, you can go to Settings -> About Phone -> Network -> Network Type and Strength. It breaks it down by 4G (data) and 1X (voice) signals. Numbers closer to zero are better, so for instance -50 dBm is a much better signal than -100 dBm. Not sure where this is on the S4, but it should be in a similar place.

Well I got mine on Wednesday, came from the RAZR maxx HD. I an day mine is much better than the maxx hg. The interior of my building at work I couldn't get a signal with my HD, it would drop to 1x and sometimes no signal. This phone keeps 4g in the same spot. My office with the HD was OK, slow internet but kept 4g. This phone works perfect there too.
I think you have a faulty one.

Be careful comparing different UI's. When I was swapping back and forth between sense and aosp sense showed 5 bars and aosp showed 2 >_>. Artificial Inflation!!!
I actually haven't even made a call or sent an MMS on my G2, so I can't comment on those

Verizon signal on mine seems better than my gs4. I've dropped to 3g only once in the weeks I've had this and that's because there was a huge verizon outage in NJ
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Ya where I work I would get 3g in the middle of the building on the s4 but now on the g2 it is always 4g
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Gnex has 2 bars of 4g, G2 has 3 bars of 3g. Sitting next to each other.
Only bad thing for me.
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Gnex has 2 bars of 4g, G2 has 3 bars of 3g. Sitting next to each other.
Only bad thing for me.
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same network?
also the artificial inflation above. If the 5 bars were more accurate then the 2 bars were off. And thats not just ui, its modem ,rom, phone, tied into circumstances and networks lol. On previous phones I noticed that itsnot as straight forward.
For me reception/in call quality/network speeds on g2 has gotten better then on all previous phones.

On Verizon curently have razr hd and note2. Thinking of G2. So you guys that have had them for awhile how is data reception? My Razr is top notch there but a little slow on everything else. My note2 is fast as lightining but lacks a bit compared to Razr in data reception. Im in a poor coverage area for about 7 months out of the year and need good 3G 4G reception. So how about it how good is the G2? Thanks

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On Verizon curently have razr hd and note2. Thinking of G2. So you guys that have had them for awhile how is data reception? My Razr is top notch there but a little slow on everything else. My note2 is fast as lightining but lacks a bit compared to Razr in data reception. Im in a poor coverage area for about 7 months out of the year and need good 3G 4G reception. So how about it how good is the G2? Thanks
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Just came from a razr, the difference is night and day. In addition, the razr doesn't give accurate measurements of signal. The G2 has been more accurate, has a better signal, and is faster.

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Just came from a razr, the difference is night and day. In addition, the razr doesn't give accurate measurements of signal. The G2 has been more accurate, has a better signal, and is faster.
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That's really good to here my HD is really good for signal its just hasn't got the power or I should say processor to do the job. I'm unlocked rooted and over clocked to 1890. It works but its really struggling. If the G2 will give me good signal strength its twice the phone my HD is out the box. Thanks.

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That's really good to here my HD is really good for signal its just hasn't got the power or I should say processor to do the job. I'm unlocked rooted and over clocked to 1890. It works but its really struggling. If the G2 will give me good signal strength its twice the phone my HD is out the box. Thanks.
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I thought the signal on my razr was good also, until I got the G2. I have been going to a doctor's office for the last 4 months. My razr would always have 1 bar of 4G, but the speeds were more like evdo. I would always have to jump on the free wifi. My G2 on the other hand has 4G when it says 4G. I don't use the wifi anymore because it's actually slower than 4G.
As for the power, it has easily run everything I've thrown at it. Even programs that slowed my razr almost to a stop. Night and day.
My only real problem with the G2 was the phone call quality. I think it is something that is really skimmed over in most reviews, when it should be a priority. I mean, after all, it is a phone. On the razr, phone calls were clean and clear like I was in the same room or at worst, 1 over. On the G2, calls are more bassy and it sounds like there is some distance between me and the caller, if that makes any sense. I actually feel like I'm on a phone. I do have to ask people to repeat themselves more often, but not so much that it's a hassle. Most of the time call quality is actually pretty good, but after using Motorolas since the OG droid, it just doesn't feel right at times. One good thing, is I occasionally hold the phone between my head and shoulder with very little problems. On the razr, I just couldn't do that comfortably because the callers on the other side wouldn't be able to hear me. Hasn't happened yet with the G2.

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I thought the signal on my razr was good also, until I got the G2. I have been going to a doctor's office for the last 4 months. My razr would always have 1 bar of 4G, but the speeds were more like evdo. I would always have to jump on the free wifi. My G2 on the other hand has 4G when it says 4G. I don't use the wifi anymore because it's actually slower than 4G.
As for the power, it has easily run everything I've thrown at it. Even programs that slowed my razr almost to a stop. Night and day.
My only real problem with the G2 was the phone call quality. I think it is something that is really skimmed over in most reviews, when it should be a priority. I mean, after all, it is a phone. On the razr, phone calls were clean and clear like I was in the same room or at worst, 1 over. On the G2, calls are more bassy and it sounds like there is some distance between me and the caller, if that makes any sense. I actually feel like I'm on a phone. I do have to ask people to repeat themselves more often, but not so much that it's a hassle. Most of the time call quality is actually pretty good, but after using Motorolas since the OG droid, it just doesn't feel right at times. One good thing, is I occasionally hold the phone between my head and shoulder with very little problems. On the razr, I just couldn't do that comfortably because the callers on the other side wouldn't be able to hear me. Hasn't happened yet with the G2.
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Your really selling me but that's what I like to here not how many KB download I got but where I get 4G now that I didn't get before. That is more of a test of how the phone is working than what it says on a gauge. Going to start getting one tomorrow I don't have an upgrade coming up and it wouldn't matter because I'm on u.limited and font want to loose it so it's full price or probably find a new in box on eBay and save the tx and a bit more. Should be able to pick one up for about $475. Thanks Again.

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On Verizon curently have razr hd and note2. Thinking of G2. So you guys that have had them for awhile how is data reception? My Razr is top notch there but a little slow on everything else. My note2 is fast as lightining but lacks a bit compared to Razr in data reception. Im in a poor coverage area for about 7 months out of the year and need good 3G 4G reception. So how about it how good is the G2? Thanks
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My wife has the razr maxx, I'm coming from the maxx hd. On fringe areas, it's almost the same. This last week, where I was, I could kinda make phone calls, texts are in and out with the G2. I was in the same place a few weeks ago with the maxx hd and it was the exact same. About 2 weeks ago I was in the same place as my wife and hers kept the signal a little longer on the maxx than my G2. And the dbs were a little lower on hers, maybe 5db, indicating a little better service. The G2 does a little better than the maxx hd inside a building tho, it keeps 4g where my maxx didn't at one place at work.
Overall I would say it's a wash I'm my experience. But I use a Bluetooth and the Bluetooth connection is a little better.

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Your really selling me but that's what I like to here not how many KB download I got but where I get 4G now that I didn't get before. That is more of a test of how the phone is working than what it says on a gauge. Going to start getting one tomorrow I don't have an upgrade coming up and it wouldn't matter because I'm on u.limited and font want to loose it so it's full price or probably find a new in box on eBay and save the tx and a bit more. Should be able to pick one up for about $475. Thanks Again.
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I was in the same boat. I got mine on ebay for $508 with the quick window case and screen protectors. Mine was listed as used, but it was better condition than a lot of the so called new ones. Less than an hour of use, compared to new auctions with less than a week of use.

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I was in the same boat. I got mine on ebay for $508 with the quick window case and screen protectors. Mine was listed as used, but it was better condition than a lot of the so called new ones. Less than an hour of use, compared to new auctions with less than a week of use.
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Thanks for your reply started shopping last night. Maybe I can find a good buy it now deal like you font mind paying for it long as its good.
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My wife has the razr maxx, I'm coming from the maxx hd. On fringe areas, it's almost the same. This last week, where I was, I could kinda make phone calls, texts are in and out with the G2. I was in the same place a few weeks ago with the maxx hd and it was the exact same. About 2 weeks ago I was in the same place as my wife and hers kept the signal a little longer on the maxx than my G2. And the dbs were a little lower on hers, maybe 5db, indicating a little better service. The G2 does a little better than the maxx hd inside a building tho, it keeps 4g where my maxx didn't at one place at work.
Overall I would say it's a wash I'm my experience. But I use a Bluetooth and the Bluetooth connection is a little better.
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Thanks started shopping last night if its as good as RAZR that's about all a guy could ask for. I would guess from the specs she should be pretty fast that's one hell of a processor.

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Thanks for your reply started shopping last night. Maybe I can find a good buy it now deal like you font mind paying for it long as its good.
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Actually, I sniped an auction. I have the timing down perfect on the mobile app.

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I've had my Verizon LG G2 for four days. It seems that the phone data signal mostly stays at 1-2 bars. It's mainly on 4G, but there are times that it drops to 3G, even 1X. I have run side by side tests with an S4 where its signal icon is at least a bar higher and is always on 4G.
Does the G2 have a weaker antenna than the S4? Or could I have a faulty phone?
Here's another thing, MMS messages seems to take between 30-45 seconds to send. I am a new Verizon subscriber, but when I was on Sprint my phones rarely took this long to send an MMS. Is the length of time my phone takes to send an MMS normal for Verizon?
Lastly, my phone heats up to the point of getting hot whenever I'm on a call for more than 5 minutes or whenever I send multiple MMS messages. If I took the phone back to the Verizon corp store where it was purchases, would it qualify for a new replacement?
Thanks in advance.
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I have had the same issue as you all did. I have an old sims card that was in my old droid 4 phone. My coverage kept losing 4g and no matter what I did no 4g in sight. I have a sims card that came with the lg g2 and after a long time of suffering with this problem I called tech support. He tracked down the problem to the sims card I had in the phone. Long story short the problem lies in the old sims card. The old card was primary a 3g card so the device would try to go to 4g and it did on a temp basis but after a 2 to 3 minute period it would never go back to 4g without the reboot. I had tech support check it out and after we activated the proper sims card...poof... all better! The problem lies in the sims card. Call tech support and it will fix your problem. Hope this helps everyone by offering a solution and exposing the problem so everyone understands the issue..