sorry guys but i had to share this and show you how dumb people can be. and will buy anything with an apple on it. sheep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Hey at least they left the dinosaur and finally put 4g on it.. like every other phone in the world... >.> idiots
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Read these posts here... I think it covers everything there is to know about Apple's yet greatest achievement [NOT] lol :laugh: Thanks EViL
-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
IPhone 5 = identical to every other iPhone with a few new apps. Same size screen, same stupid glass case that's designed to break as soon as u drop it, and isn't covered under warranty. Still no 4g. The only new innovation is throwing some new apps on a device changing the internal specs(barely) slapping a 5 on the end of the name and reselling the iFans the same crap they already own for the upteenth time.
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-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
Samsung holds the patents to 90% of the LTE technology and they haven't been able to come to a licensing agreement with apple, without that agreement the iPhone will never have LTE. And every android device stomps any iPhone hands down we already have screens ranging from 4"-5"+ we have quadcore processors, 2gb ram, expandable storage. Tell me what exactly apple has to compete with Android again oh yeah nothing that's why they keep suing Google and every device manufacturer trying to slow them down and quell the competition, cause they can't keep up. Oh and SIRI? Samsung holds the patent on the technology, and has filed suit to block the import and sales of iPhones and iPads in the US. You know their junk is made in china with slave labor right? If you support apple you support inhumane working conditions for both adults and children who are forced to work in Chinese sweatshops, and a large portion of the workers are political prisoners, even the children who are deemed regime dissidents because of their parents political beliefs and are then used as slave labor in factories and work camps. And they charge ridiculous amounts of money for products that cost them less than $50 per device to have manufactured and that includes the parts and labor :thumbdown: apple is a complete fail, and I would never support a company like that financially or otherwise. Sorry I'd use a 1992 Zach Morris brick phone before I'd ever use and iPhone. You couldn't pay me all the money in the world to be caught dead with their junk.
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The glass case isn't covered under warranty when you drop it and shatter the case. And iPhone may not even be sold in the US its already been pulled from shelves in south Korea and the jury is returning verdict on US injunction today. And no as of now apple has no license to use LTE radios, Samsung hasn't been able to come to an arrangement with them and Samsung holds the patent on 90% of LTE radio technology. Without getting the license the will be no LTE. That's if they can even import anymore devices into the US after the verdict in court today. Waiting now to see what the jury said, they already found apple guilty of infringement of samsungs wireless tech patents, now its down to the import injunction to see if they have to stop importing devices into the US and pull the iPad and iPhones that are here off of shelves
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That's sad.
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Evo Shift: cm7 or jellybean
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Im not a iphone fan nor android im in beween. OK I'm really confuse with iiPhone 5 running Lte. Because from what u stating that Samsung owns 90% lte pat. So why on other news i read saying iPhone 5 have 4 lte connection.
Here is link to site i read
http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/09/heres-the-price-list-for-an-unlocked-iphone-5/
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people always want the latest and greatest. it doesn't matter if the improvements are slim or nonexistent. it is all about being the one with the newest device regardless of the quality. that is why they can get away with charging such a ridiculous amount for a device with minimal improvements.
This is a perfect example of consumer idiocy. Fanboys are truly brainwashed...
http://youtu.be/rdIWKytq_q4
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culua said:
Im not a iphone fan nor android im in beween. OK I'm really confuse with iiPhone 5 running Lte. Because from what u stating that Samsung owns 90% lte pat. So why on other news i read saying iPhone 5 have 4 lte connection.
Here is link to site i read
http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/09/heres-the-price-list-for-an-unlocked-iphone-5/
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They came to an agreement to allow apple to use the lte radios, at a cost of 65$ per radio per device. Compare that to the $15 they charge other manufacturers to lease the radios for their devices. That's why the new off contract price for a 64gb iFail 5 is 600$ and the 128gb is 800$ and the only difference between the 4s and 5 is a 4" screen vs 3.5" adding a 5th row of icons and the lte radio. Big win, :thumbdown: its SoC was barely upgraded, and 70% of the hardware in the phone is made by Samsung, SoC, radios, screen and logic board the only thing not made by Samsung in the housing, and the device is assembled in factories whose conditions violate international labor standards and are akin to slavery. Apple is taking alot of heat in the international market over their labor practices, south Korea and several European countries have outright banned the import and sale of any apple products, meaning you can't even buy one online because they will be seized at the import point. If the Google/Motorola patent suit against apple goes thru the same will happen here in the US and they won't be able to import the devices from the Chinese sweatshop/slave labor camps where that crap is assembled
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It's very hard to explain to iphone fans why the iphone 5 sucks. They haven't got a clue what NFC really is, and only think it is used to make contactless payments......... :silly:
They forget about the other useful stuff NFC can do.
Same goes for DLNA, they think only Apple can stream wireless video via airplay as they have no F-ing clue what DLNA :silly:
And to top it off, they think that reversible plug is a gods gift and think microUSB is only used for charging....... LOL
culua said:
Im not a iphone fan nor android im in beween. OK I'm really confuse with iiPhone 5 running Lte. Because from what u stating that Samsung owns 90% lte pat. So why on other news i read saying iPhone 5 have 4 lte connection.
Here is link to site i read
http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/09/heres-the-price-list-for-an-unlocked-iphone-5/
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It's because that claim of Samsung owning 90% of LTE patents simply isn't accurate. If you look at the report here from 2011 Samsung had amassed about 284 patents or about 9% of the total. According to this article dated earlier this month Samsung is up to 819 but that's still only about 12% of the total. As you can see if that second link, Apple hasn't let itself out in the cold on LTE patents, developing or acquiring 434. We'll have to wait and see if it's enough to fight off a suit from Samsung, if Samsung ever actually files it.
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They came to an agreement to allow apple to use the lte radios, at a cost of 65$ per radio per device. Compare that to the $15 they charge other manufacturers to lease the radios for their devices.
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Do you have a source for this? I've found no evidence of any agreement and I can't really see any regulators in any country allowing such a wide price discrimination on such licenses.
its SoC was barely upgraded, and 70% of the hardware in the phone is made by Samsung, SoC, radios, screen and logic board the only thing not made by Samsung in the housing
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As there have been no tear downs for the iPhone 5 as of yet, there is no way to know any of this. I've seen speculation that A6 is based on a Cortex A15, which would put it in the same class as the S4 Snapdragon that powers the Evo 4G LTE and the US version of the Galaxy SIII. But that's still just speculation until it's actually torn down.
and the device is assembled in factories whose conditions violate international labor standards and are akin to slavery. Apple is taking alot of heat in the international market over their labor practices, south Korea and several European countries have outright banned the import and sale of any apple products, meaning you can't even buy one online because they will be seized at the import point. If the Google/Motorola patent suit against apple goes thru the same will happen here in the US and they won't be able to import the devices from the Chinese sweatshop/slave labor camps where that crap is assembled
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That same factory is used by Motorola, Amazon, Dell, HP and others, including Samsung. Chances are, if you have an Android phone, it was probably made in China.
That South Korea ban may still be in place but I can't imagine it's any more complicated than appeasing Samsung in their home country. As for the European one, that was a suit in Germany where Motorola won an injunction against Apple last December, but that injunction lifted and dismissed in February.
Best line ever: "Apple: Doing Nothing and Calling It Innovation!"
You know what fails apple fanboys whorship them like they are god here's a link to show how low they go.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57513782-71/apple-fanboys-fight-back-against-samsung/
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Sprint CEO Sidesteps Question About iPhone
We posed the question regarding Sprint and the iPhone a while back and reported on a Sprint announcement coming February 7th, wondering if this was going to be an announcement for the Sprint iPhone. Now it appears there is more information about this being reported than we expected and that rumor about Sprint getting the iPhone might have more life to it than first thought.
In an interview last week in Detroit, Sprint CEO Dan Hesse was asked about a Sprint iPhone as reported by AppleInsider. In the past, he has been very candid with the press and in this situation, he said he had no comment. He does not discuss conversations Sprint is having with 3rd parties. Does that mean they are in conversations with Apple to get the iPhone? That would seem logical based on several things.
Apple is facing a tidal wave of Android phones in the US and recently has been overshadowed by them in several different reports at the end of 2010. To stem that tide in 2011, Apple is going to have to do several things. The first is to increase distribution, which they have started on with the iPhone coming to Verizon and they are expected to increase their sales that way. The other thing they will need to do is make the iPhone 5 a 4G capable phone.
By having the iPhone 5 be a 4G phone, it opens up many other options for them. Most carriers in the US will have some form of a 4G network up by the end of 2011. Sprint is one of those US carriers who is moving in that direction. There is nothing to stop Apple from producing a chip which will allow the iPhone to function on multiple networks and therefore increase the potential number of companies who can sell the iPhone.
Sprint would be the next logic carrier in the US to sell the iPhone, being the 3rd largest carrier. Having a similar CDMA network to Verizon, makes it a much easier situation for Apple. The best case situation we can see is for Sprint to get the iPhone when the next version is released, which would be June at the earliest. We do expect to see more information about this surfacing in a few months as the iPhone 5 release comes closer. In the mean time, this is just a rumor and speculation.
source: http://www.techieinsider.com/news/5822
Why invite all the android news sources to that?
Plus, the only way it would be an "industry first" is if Apple withheld respective competing 4G technologies from other carriers.
don't care about the iphone. probably first wp7 4g or a 4.5" phone.
Just give us the EVO 2 with wimax 2 / lte support and call it a day please
Yeah iPhone is def not the announcement...
My guess is Android 3 + WiMax. Ultimately I expect the announcement to also not be all that. Probably a tablet.
there have been comments/rummors/speculations that all the changes on price and upgrades are in preparation for the coming iphone. That is why Verizon and Sprint have been making same moves/changes...
i dont see myself changing to an iphone.... to much I can not personally stand about apple.
I do know..
that if my prices and benefits have changed for the worse, because of the iphone!
that I will be getting less network throughput because of heavier demand...
we (the android) users have to pay for the iphone demands.
it will be a very very sad day... there will be a huge backlash from android / blackberry /webOS / win7 users.
Sprint is a terrible marketing machine. they will make this situation worse.
Feb 7 ... better be huge ...
fine they will annouce the iphone...
but they better throw out there a huge bone for other OS users. or they will see a huge migration too... TMobile.
I think I'm one the few that welcomes the iphone to sprint. Why? Well right now I'm on sprint with the EVO, and my wife is on at&t iphone because as she puts it "its so user friendly". If sprint gets the iphone, she can finally join me and save us a ton of money.
I'd welcome the iPhone to Sprint, don't see the problem with it.
It would be great to get the iPhone. It would put pressure on android phone makers to create better phones and generally up the overall quality of Android phones on the market. Its happening on AT&T now that the exclusivity has ended and we will begin to see it with everyone else who carries the iPhone.
Love competition in the marketplace.
How is iPhone introduction revolutionary, unique, never-been-done?
iitreatedii said:
Sprint CEO Sidesteps Question About iPhone
We posed the question regarding Sprint and the iPhone a while back and reported on a Sprint announcement coming February 7th, wondering if this was going to be an announcement for the Sprint iPhone. Now it appears there is more information about this being reported than we expected and that rumor about Sprint getting the iPhone might have more life to it than first thought.
In an interview last week in Detroit, Sprint CEO Dan Hesse was asked about a Sprint iPhone as reported by AppleInsider. In the past, he has been very candid with the press and in this situation, he said he had no comment. He does not discuss conversations Sprint is having with 3rd parties. Does that mean they are in conversations with Apple to get the iPhone? That would seem logical based on several things.
Apple is facing a tidal wave of Android phones in the US and recently has been overshadowed by them in several different reports at the end of 2010. To stem that tide in 2011, Apple is going to have to do several things. The first is to increase distribution, which they have started on with the iPhone coming to Verizon and they are expected to increase their sales that way. The other thing they will need to do is make the iPhone 5 a 4G capable phone.
By having the iPhone 5 be a 4G phone, it opens up many other options for them. Most carriers in the US will have some form of a 4G network up by the end of 2011. Sprint is one of those US carriers who is moving in that direction. There is nothing to stop Apple from producing a chip which will allow the iPhone to function on multiple networks and therefore increase the potential number of companies who can sell the iPhone.
Sprint would be the next logic carrier in the US to sell the iPhone, being the 3rd largest carrier. Having a similar CDMA network to Verizon, makes it a much easier situation for Apple. The best case situation we can see is for Sprint to get the iPhone when the next version is released, which would be June at the earliest. We do expect to see more information about this surfacing in a few months as the iPhone 5 release comes closer. In the mean time, this is just a rumor and speculation.
source: http://www.techieinsider.com/news/5822
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uniquenameevo said:
Why invite all the android news sources to that?
Plus, the only way it would be an "industry first" is if Apple withheld respective competing 4G technologies from other carriers.
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^ This
it isnt that the iphone might be coming to sprint.
it is the fact.. that sprint has to do all these changes to get the iphone.. to support the iphone..
sprint hads to jump through all these hoops and raise profit margin.. so that they can afford the extra cost to get the iphone. payback to apple... steve has to get his share.
mean while...
non-iphone / smartphone users... get taxed so that sprint can have the iphone.
tax = lost in upgrade yearly... every smartphone gets charged the $10 fee (not just 4G phones)... etc....
i am fine.. with these changes if it is .. inflatioin.. cost of doing business... cost of getting better services/speeds for my account!
if it for sprint to cover iphone cost!!!!! then it sucks!!!
Same boat here. Although my wife uses different excuses, I know ultimately it is because she does'nt want to give up the iPhone.
bwcorvus said:
I think I'm one the few that welcomes the iphone to sprint. Why? Well right now I'm on sprint with the EVO, and my wife is on at&t iphone because as she puts it "its so user friendly". If sprint gets the iphone, she can finally join me and save us a ton of money.
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I LOVE my Evo, but I don't really see how having a Sprint iPhone is a bad idea. if Sprint is losing customers the way it's reported every quarter, having even more choice regarding devices is a great thing for a carrier and its customers.
meh i don't care if they get it or not. I REALLY hope thats not the announcement though..
I don't care if it's the iPhone. My wife would be happy but I'm just hoping we can get Wimax coverage in or near my area.
So I guess I'm hoping it's a wimax tablet or something and that they are pushing out more cities for wimax coverage
It's only speculations, Dan Jesse did not give a comment on anything useless tech story
jxr94 said:
Just give us the EVO 2 with wimax 2 / lte support and call it a day please
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Its funny how little people know about this stuff. Everyone saying its gonna be the iphone5 or even an iphone with 4g is plain clueless. Apple NEVER has a carrier do a release of a major product for them. Verizon did the iphone the other week bc all it is is an iphone4 with cdma chip instead of only gsm. Any and all hardware revisions like adding 4g and iphone5 will always be done at apples own event every year.
Now if this is an iphone4 same as verizon sprint is completely clueless as how to conduct themselves.
They may announce it but id expect more than that like wimax2 or announce lte/wimax plan bc its supposed to be something new no one else has.
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I'm sure this has been posted and I may get flamed for it but I don't really care, I don't have lots of time at work to check my bases before posting and only get to view XDA intermittently.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903327904576526690675657466.html
While this at first glance appears to be more Apple happy news, I think this is great news for all Sprint users as it will drive more business Sprint's way. As they grow and become more competitive in the market prices will stabilize across the board for all carriers and drive the US Cell Market away from the Duopoly that it is headed for. If this report proves true it's a huge win for Sprint and I say thumbs up to Hesse.
Well...assuming Sprint will get the next Nexus, this means they'll be releasing the iPhone, SGS2, and Nexus Prime all within (possibly) a month of each other. Worst case...3 months.
If this is the case, this may crush my dream of Google buying Sprint
hayzooos said:
Well...assuming Sprint will get the next Nexus, this means they'll be releasing the iPhone, SGS2, and Nexus Prime all within (possibly) a month of each other. Worst case...3 months.
If this is the case, this may crush my dream of Google buying Sprint
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Lol. I don't think sprint will ever sell. The company is growing more and more and if this is the case a lot of Verizon and att customers will come to sprint IF sprint keeps the prices they have now.
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hayzooos said:
Well...assuming Sprint will get the next Nexus, this means they'll be releasing the iPhone, SGS2, and Nexus Prime all within (possibly) a month of each other. Worst case...3 months.
If this is the case, this may crush my dream of Google buying Sprint
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Or they may do it to piss apple off...
Kidding.
But this would be a great thing for sprint...maybe not the customers...I don't think they're network can handle this. We would all get slow data speeds/crappy call quality...and the giant amount of att/verizon users who want unlimited data is even worse.
hayzooos said:
Well...assuming Sprint will get the next Nexus, this means they'll be releasing the iPhone, SGS2, and Nexus Prime all within (possibly) a month of each other. Worst case...3 months.
If this is the case, this may crush my dream of Google buying Sprint
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Doubt google will buy sprint just to have to pay sprint's debt off right after
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This made my wife's day...
Of course, I told her that I don't support iPhones...
There's been scuttlebutt about this for a while. I agree with other posters...if it helps Sprint, great, but I have zero interest in it and don't like the potential effects it may have on the rest of Sprint's network. Also hope it's not bad for their other partnerships.
It would be hilarious if they kept it at 3G though. And the Appleheads or Jobs dickriders or whatever you call them wouldn't even care...many of them think AT&T and Verizon iPhones already ARE 4G. (chortle)
I would be tempted to buy the iphone5 but i'm in love with the android now, and any iphone app looks 100x better on the ipad.
I don't usually post more than once from work but this article needs to be added here.
http://www.mobiledia.com/news/104313.html
Maybe Sprint getting the iPhone is a sign that Apple is becoming frustrated with poor network and unresponsive customer service from AT&T.
As for the overload of the network with an influx of iPhone users, it won't hit Sprint for several years, especially considering how many iTards are stuck in contracts still, and don't have the money to cough up 300-400 per device every couple of years. ALSO this may speed the roll out of LTE as I am sure that Apple wants a 4G device, but would not likely settle for WiMax as producing not only CDMA/GSM but LTE/WiMax as well would strain their manufacturing and cut into their all important profit margin. WiMax is the obvious odd man out.
This is mostly very good news for us. It'll keep the people who want an iPhone from leaving Sprint and bolster Sprint's marketshare which can only help us. Also it may drive Google to ensure the next Nexus phone launches on every network that has an iPhone, making the Nexus Prime (or whatever it's called) more likely for us. And since that's essentially what I'm waiting on to replace my Epic, I like my odds better now.
Only downside: the iPhone has been said to be the cause of AT&T's network troubles and did have an effect on Verizon as well. I'm concerned that it may force Sprint to reconsider their data plans which may hurt us, or the additional traffic may cause problems for us. But still, I'd say the former benefits outweigh these risks.
iPhone 5 with unlimited data plan will be quite a sell for Sprint.
I bought Sprint stock two days ago.
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I am now quite bullish on Sprint. Evo 4G was the best-selling Android phone of Q2 2011. Evo 3D started selling in July.
There have been news that Sprint is buying out the rest of Clearwire and integrating them into Network Vision. The best scenario is that a group of cable providers (Cox, Comcast, etc.) are investing in Sprint, which will then use the money to directly buy Clearwire.
Thus, Clearwire's lack-of-money build-out issue and LTE transition will be resolved. Sprint will have a huge spectrum advantage over ATT and Verizon. And it will have an infusion of cash and outside support for its Network Vision and leveraging of iPhone 5 sales.
AND...
since Sprint also announced today that it would begin offering the new Blackberry Curve 95-something-or-other (who really cares about RIM?) I decided to check Sprint stock and if you own any, I hope you enjoyed the 10.12% jump in value, and an additional .84% after hours. 11% in a day? Not bad for the girls we go with...
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since Sprint also announced today that it would begin offering the new Blackberry Curve 95-something-or-other (who really cares about RIM?) I decided to check Sprint stock and if you own any, I hope you enjoyed the 10.12% jump in value, and an additional .84% after hours. 11% in a day? Not bad for the girls we go with...
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I bought some stock a week ago. We'll see how it goes.
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.....only to make an already overburdened 3G network even worse. I shudder at the mere thought of it. Another reason I'm seriously tempted to bolt for big red.
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Just playing devil's advocate here. The arguement about network performance degradation isn't necessarily relevant here, as network footprint doesn't have as much to do with it as available spectrum does. And sprint has more than any other carrier. Think of it as width versus length debate. As far as how many users and how much data they consume is concerned, it's more about the spread of spectrum than the strength.
EDIT: and while yes it is true that a single tower can only handle so much and this is where the footprint arguement grounds itself in, this is also a much easier solved problem than the complex one of spreading out your spectrum. The cost is more fixed: increasing footprint means increasing tower count. Increasing spectrum, however, is a different beast. This problem means having to acquire spectrum off of those who own it. And the cost of that can vary greatly and isn't as easily obtained.
Plus, sprint already has a ton of money invested in network vision, and has a deadline of 2014. Rest assured, with the amount of money at risk, they will most definitely be hitting that deadline
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excuse my french but idgaf what anyone says about apple and the iphone. if the iphone 5 is a winner then ill jump ship in a heartbeat even without wimax. after all the problems my epic has given me i will never buy another samsung
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squshy 7 said:
Just playing devil's advocate here. The arguement about network performance degradation isn't necessarily relevant here, as network footprint doesn't have as much to do with it as available spectrum does. And sprint has more than any other carrier. Think of it as width versus length debate. As far as how many users and how much data they consume is concerned, it's more about the spread of spectrum than the strength.
EDIT: and while yes it is true that a single tower can only handle so much and this is where the footprint arguement grounds itself in, this is also a much easier solved problem than the complex one of spreading out your spectrum. The cost is more fixed: increasing footprint means increasing tower count. Increasing spectrum, however, is a different beast. This problem means having to acquire spectrum off of those who own it. And the cost of that can vary greatly and isn't as easily obtained. Plus, both the frequency and voice technology sprint and verizon employ are much more accomodating to high volumes of traffic than what att has. Hence, why verizon dealt well with it.
Plus, sprint already has a ton of money invested in network vision, and has a deadline of 2014. Rest assured, with the amount of money at risk, they will most definitely be hitting that deadline
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Overstew said:
I bought some stock a week ago. We'll see how it goes.
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Same here.
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Win-Win for Sprint definitely! I prefer Android, but this will most definitely make my mom happy as she's been wanting an iPhone since they first came out. Sprint can definitely compete now & IMO they will have the best phone lineup to offer.
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Just what we need apple fan boys at sprint stores. And bye bye unlimited data....
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Samsung has started rolling JB update for the LTE version of Note in South Korea.
Slight correction Samsung is not rolling out JB update but LTE Tablet with JB by default in Korea with voice calling feature
Please see this article
http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-lte-gets-jelly-bean-plus-volte-19257512/
Thats what I would have expected, first.
I think Samsung is making a mistake not having JB rolled out by this weekend. As shoppers start buying for the holidays and compare devices not having JB will be a deterrent to sales. Especially as consumers do research to scan reviews and status of updates and see Samsung history.
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I think Samsung is making a mistake not having JB rolled out by this weekend. As shoppers start buying for the holidays and compare devices not having JB will be a deterrent to sales. Especially as consumers do research to scan reviews and status of updates and see Samsung history.
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If consumers listen to reviews they wont but the note 10.1 JB or no JB - most of the reviews were (incorrectly) terrible - they all ran down the note.
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If consumers listen to reviews they wont but the note 10.1 JB or no JB - most of the reviews were (incorrectly) terrible - they all ran down the note.
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It isn't quite a straight forward was that. The Note 10.1 definitely is a niche device exclusively for those who need a stylus for input. for everyone else other tablets deliver better value. And that is a pretty fair conclusion
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I think Samsung is making a mistake not having JB rolled out by this weekend. As shoppers start buying for the holidays and compare devices not having JB will be a deterrent to sales. Especially as consumers do research to scan reviews and status of updates and see Samsung history.
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Other than those on XDA, most people won't know the difference between ICS and JB and won't hold off buying for that reason.
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Other than those on XDA, most people won't know the difference between ICS and JB and won't hold off buying for that reason.
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They will because when they type in a google search posts like this will come up.
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No, he has a point. The average consumer doesn't think like we do.
Our minds: "Does it have JB? Did Samsung state it would? When? How much ram? What's the processor? Screen res.." Etc..
Humans: "ooh this one has a cool pen you can write with and it's cheaper than the iPad. I like the white one."
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I agree most of the people wont even know what is the difference between various processor or the screen resolution they will check the size and they will check may be for a retina display though most of them wont even know what it is they will only check bec of the marketing hype created by apple. Some may have herd about JB, ICS, GB but very few of them actually would know what they are.
Thats one of the reasons IPAD sells in so many numbers
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It isn't quite a straight forward was that. The Note 10.1 definitely is a niche device exclusively for those who need a stylus for input. for everyone else other tablets deliver better value. And that is a pretty fair conclusion
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I agree up to the point of "exclusively need a stylus for input." The multitasking capabilities of the Note and it's role as a creativity and creation device set it apart from all the rest of the tablets that are primarily for consumption. I'd be far less enthused about the pen if it weren't for the other features centered around those things. And things like Quick Gestures, Air View, handwriting recognition (much improved in JB) and hover aren't enough on their own to separate the Note from other tablets but being included do make the Note special. What makes it a niche device is that the average person won't understand those benefits (or possibly even care) and the drones at Staples, Walmart, and Best Buy won't either to help sell the uniqueness of the Note. But it came out in Samsung's Q3 earnings that it sold 2MM units in two months which is the same run rate Asus declared for the N7. So if that pace keeps up it'll be a pretty big niche that needed filling.
Yes I think even Samsung are thrilled with the sales figures and hence the LTE boost which should increase the numbers even more because apart from Ipad I think very few tablets that support LTE dont n10 does that
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But it came out in Samsung's Q3 earnings that it sold 2MM units in two months which is the same run rate Asus declared for the N7. So if that pace keeps up it'll be a pretty big niche that needed filling.
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Careful with the Numbers, they can be misleading. On a few countries, mine included, Samsung gave 30% discount on selected top range devices including the note on september 30. That gave a huge boost to Sales but does not reflect what the consumers actually prefere. I was going for a Asus TF300 when i heard about this and for the same amount i went for the note.
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Careful with the Numbers, they can be misleading. On a few countries, mine included, Samsung gave 30% discount on selected top range devices including the note on september 30. That gave a huge boost to Sales but does not reflect what the consumers actually prefere. I was going for a Asus TF300 when i heard about this and for the same amount i went for the note.
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Huh? Q3 is July, August, and September. So 2MM were sold in August and September. And price is arbitrary. If you were looking at another $299+ tablet and bought a Note you still bought a Note. You're actually contradicting yourself. You said it was a "niche" product but you bought it instead of a mid-level mainstream product because of price. If because of market conditions the 16GB Wi-Fi Note ends up being permanently priced at $399 and sells well against other tablets there's no asterisk to be added to the sales volume numbers. People buying a Note can only come from two places. People buying their first tablet or people with another tablet attracted to the Note because of its unique features. Either way (just like you) they are picking the Note out of sea of competitors including iOS and now W8. A sale is a sale regardless of how it happens. The question about whether that volume will continue is a good one though. Products tend to sell better when their launched so we'll have to see what Q4's numbers look like to see if the Note's initial success is sustained; especially with more competition (W8 RT and the N10).
Here's a chart of Q3 2012 tablet market share. Look at Samsung's year-over-year growth. They grew 325% with the high-end Note while Asus grew 243% pushing the low-end N7. Even if the Note sells 2MM a quarter that's almost three times their combined tablet sales for Q3 2011. So it would appear that they've created another (big) niche like they did with the introduction of the "phablet" last year.
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Huh? Q3 is July, August, and September. So 2MM were sold in August and September. And price is arbitrary. If you were looking at another $299+ tablet and bought a Note you still bought a Note. You're actually contradicting yourself. You said it was a "niche" product but you bought it instead of a mid-level mainstream product because of price. If because of market conditions the 16GB Wi-Fi Note ends up being permanently priced at $399 and sells well against other tablets there's no asterisk to be added to the sales volume numbers. People buying a Note can only come from two places. People buying their first tablet or people with another tablet attracted to the Note because of its unique features. Either way (just like you) they are picking the Note out of sea of competitors including iOS and now W8. A sale is a sale regardless of how it happens. The question about whether that volume will continue is a good one though. Products tend to sell better when their launched so we'll have to see what Q4's numbers look like to see if the Note's initial success is sustained; especially with more competition (W8 RT and the N10).
Here's a chart of Q3 2012 tablet market share. Look at Samsung's year-over-year growth. They grew 325% with the high-end Note while Asus grew 243% pushing the low-end N7. Even if the Note sells 2MM a quarter that's almost three times their combined tablet sales for Q3 2011. So it would appear that they've created another (big) niche like they did with the introduction of the "phablet"
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I see your point. And i agree. Nevertheless what i meant was if that promotion didn't happen i would not go for the note which was priced at 699€. Neither many of the people i know who did the same. People who couldn't afford it otherwise, bought it, expanding the niche further than it was supposed to. Only the Q4 sales will tell us if the promotion had any impact. On a side note i have no knowledge of economics and markets, this is just my opinion as customer and observing person. Might just be a lot of nonsense.
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Those in US should expect the LTE version by year end as per some reports. Thats good new for them.
For countries like India where I am it is irrelevent as there is no LTE network and in few places where it is it is way expensive
http://androidheadlines.com/2013/06/htc-one-taking-third-spot-in-smartphone-sales.html
Very exciting news. I sure hope HTC continues this trend because they make great devices and deserve the respect and recognition. I think the HTC One's sales should be on the top but then again I cannot say I am not biased.
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Ok, but to clarify, that's hearsay from US carriers about smartphone sales. Hardly concrete research.
True, but the US sales make a large percentage of the smartphone industry and if that's true, then that's a very good sign.
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Ok, but to clarify, that's hearsay from US carriers about smartphone sales. Hardly concrete research.
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Do people really honestly care about any market outside of the USA? What makes you think the phone won't take third place outside of the USA market?
Third place? That means nothing. The phone has 3 competitors anyway: iPhone 5, Samsung GS4 and Sony Xperia Z. This just means that One only surpassed Xperia Z, which is hardly good news.
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Third place? That means nothing. The phone has 3 competitors anyway: iPhone 5, Samsung GS4 and Sony Xperia Z. This just means that One only surpassed Xperia Z, which is hardly good news.
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The "survey's" pretty light in terms of value. An analyst called a bunch of individual carrier strores and said "hey, what's selling?" The answer could be different in large markets vs. small and in different parts of the U.S. The biggest difference between the One and the SGS4/iPhone is that the latter are available on pretty much every U.S. carrier where the One's only (currently) offered on three. The only numbers that matter are what HTC reports monthly and quarterly in terms of revenue and what their guidance is.
Here's their revenue through May. They've yet to match last year's numbers.
Here's how they did in Q1.
Here's their guidance for Q2. If they make those number they'll be down 28% in revenue compared to last year for the first half of 2013.
I guess this is relevant if you work for htc. I have always used their phones but I've never understood people who relate quality to numbers sold.
It's like the radio market in the us. You couldn't pay me to listen to that over produced garbage they call music. Yet those musicians make the most money. Are they the most creative? Not even close. If you want to own a phone from a juggernaut because sales are so important then buy a Samsung.
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I guess this is relevant if you work for htc. I have always used their phones but I've never understood people who relate quality to numbers sold.
If you want to own a phone from a juggernaut because sales are so important then buy a Samsung.
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I don't really care about that (I don't own HTC stock) but I like HTC phones, I love sense and I would love HTC to be around for me to buy a new HTC phone with sense and I would love to receive uodates on my One for the foreseeable future and for that to happen the One must sell....
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I don't really care about that (I don't own HTC stock) but I like HTC phones, I love sense and I would love HTC to be around for me to buy a new HTC phone with sense and I would love to receive uodates on my One for the foreseeable future and for that to happen the One must sell....
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It is selling. And it is putting pressure on Samsung. How many tech sites rate it above the s4? Quite a few actually.
The tech world is fickle.
Also they have made an incredible amount of stupid mistakes the last two years. That's what I'm talking about. I'm not about to take that on.
But If they continue to build the one brand I believe they will be successful. I don't care how many Samsung fan boys come out of the woodwork and deny it. The One is a premium phone and its good enough to build a loyal following in my opinion.
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Do people really honestly care about any market outside of the USA? What makes you think the phone won't take third place outside of the USA market?
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You're just trolling, right?
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You're just trolling, right?
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I has never trolled in my entire life.
Troll is as troll does.
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Do people really honestly care about any market outside of the USA? What makes you think the phone won't take third place outside of the USA market?
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Which conversation are you guys having? A discussion about "smartphones" or "high-end smartphones?" Because they are different.
Here are smartphone sales projections from 2013-2017. Japan, the UK, and the U.S., three mature markets, show the least amount of growth. Emerging markets are where the opportunity is. In emerging markets low-end smartphones are the vast majority of what's sold. 30% of the smartphones sold in India last year were $100-130; only 2% were over $400. I'm sure China's the same way. Samsung's recent stock fall was caused by analysts reforecasting the market for high-end smartphones downward because of market maturity in places like the US, Japan, and the EU. And the concern isn't sales volume, it's the impact on profit because there's less margin in lower-end devices. Samsung's expected to sell 330MM mobile devices in 2013. Only 60MM (18%) of them are SGS4's. But the SGS4's probably responsible for 1/3 of their profit (WAG). The same thing applies to HTC and other device manufacturers.
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On the subject of emerging markets, HTC's late entry leaves them vulnerable. Just this past quarter Samsung became the largest selling manufacturer in China.
As well as Samsung and Apple, HTC faces pressure from the Chinese giants Huawei and ZTE, which are both ramping up their plans to become major consumer brands. Despite this, HTC said it will target the lower end of the market in China. Chief Financial Officer Chang Chia-Lin said HTC, which has tended to rely on developed markets for most of its revenue and in China has focused on mid- to high-end models, was now ready to offer smartphones priced less than 1,999 yuan (about £200/$308) - currently its cheapest phone in China. "We're going to go down, but not below 1,000 (£106/$163) ," he said. "We see there's still room to play" in 1,000 to 2,000 yuan phones. Samsung recently warned that the growth of the smartphone market in the West was slowing down and that it too was looking to the developing world. Apple is meanwhile still rumored to be preparing a lower-cost version of the iPhone for China.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo.../HTC-turns-to-China-as-decline-continues.html
HTC Corp. maintained a 3.1 percent share of the global smartphone market in the first quarter, as its share gains in North America were offset by losses in other regions, according to U.S. brokerage Morgan Stanley. The brokerage firm said HTC's market share rose slightly to 4.2 percent in the quarter in North America from 3.5 percent in the fourth quarter of last year, thanks to the launch of the 5-inch HTC Droid DNA phone, which went on sale in November through U.S. carrier Verizon Wireless. But the company was not able to drive up its global market share, given ongoing share losses in the European, the Middle East and African (EMEA) markets and slow progress in the Asia-Pacific region -- especially in China, Morgan Stanley said in a report dated May 3. The report detailed how HTC's market share in the EMEA markets fell to 3.7 percent from 4.2 percent in the fourth quarter, with market share in the Asia-Pacific region shrinking to 2.7 percent from 3 percent. Meanwhile, the top four Chinese handset makers (Huawei Technologies Co., ZTE Corp., Lenovo Group Ltd. and Coolpad) increased their share to 28 percent in the first quarter, compared with 21 percent in the same period of 2012, at the expense of international brands including Apple Inc., Morgan Stanley analysts said.http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aall/201305050014.aspx
But staying competitive is increasingly difficult as the field has become crowded with competitors, including lower-price Chinese rivals. HTC's global smartphone market share fell to 2.5% in the first quarter of this year from 9.3% in first quarter of 2011, according to market-research firm Gartner.http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323836504578553051806977448.html
“We expect HTC shipments to peak in May, stay at a similar level in June and start to decline in July,” Citigroup Global Markets Inc analyst Kevin Chang (張凱偉) said in a note on Wednesday. Chang’s forecast came after HTC on Tuesday reported its consolidated revenue for last month increased to NT$29 billion (US$969.4 million), up 48.03 percent from April, thanks to better-than-expected sales of its flagship HTC One smartphone. “We estimate that HTC One accounted for around half of HTC’s May sales,” Chang said, adding that the company might have shipped around 1.2 million units of the phone last month, up 100 percent from April. Citigroup originally forecast HTC would ship only 1 million HTC Ones last month before ramping it up further this month. Chang said he revised his shipment forecast upward because HTC’s component yield rate had improved faster than expected, which in turn had enabled it to push some shipments to last month from this month. However, “with One volume peaking and other models still weak, we believe May will be the peak of near-term sales,” he said in the note. HTC may experience a similar scenario as last year, when sales also peaked in May and June, he added. The Taoyuan-based company could also face headwinds from the generally slow market demand in the high-end smartphone segment, according to Citigroup. Chang attributed the slow demand to a combination of saturation in developed markets and demand being delayed to next year as consumers wait for the launch of the big-screen iPhone.http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2013/06/07/2003564143
So the One being "number three" is likely in a lot of mature markets and hopefully will help HTC's profitability. But there's little demand for devices like the One (or SGS4) in emerging markets which isn't going to help their sales. But HTC's lack of penetration and having fewer low to mid-range phones to offer in those markets is going to hurt them overall.
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It would take a troll showing his roms and **** to know one huh
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Do people really honestly care about any market outside of the USA? What makes you think the phone won't take third place outside of the USA market?
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Because Europe is by far the largest smartphone market they do care. But you are just dumb.
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Because Europe is by far the largest smartphone market they do care. But you are just dumb.
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+1. EU is where it's at.
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Because Europe is by far the largest smartphone market they do care.
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I hope for your sake that you know that Europe is not one country but a continent with over 750 million people.
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I hope for your sake that you know that Europe is not one country but a continent with over 750 million people.
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I suspect even in total it would not equal the US or China. Or maybe just barely equal.
EDIT: It is indeed a continent, but most people equate Europe with the EU.
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I hope for your sake that you know that Europe is not one country but a continent with over 750 million people.
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And even with that, it doesn't change a thing as it relates to the stats in the chart you mocked or the one a couple of posts before it. Any European country not shown is because it's not in the top ten in terms of smartphone usage while the ones on the list are the most populated which is how they made the list in the first place. And with so many EU countries with double-digit unemployment I'd bet a shiny new smartphone isn't tops on a lot of people's list this year.
If you add up the countries in the chart by region this is the distribution.
Asia (including India) = 299MM
North America = 245MM
Europe = 111MM
Russia = 19MM
Brazil = 19MM
Cant say Im surprised. Its gonna get much worse if they keep their new Apple-wannabe design.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/26/9402621/samsung-promotion-galaxy-s6-note-5-discount
Samsung is not giving $120 off the price of the Note5. You need to get your facts straight.
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Samsung is not giving $120 off the price of the Note5. You need to get your facts straight.
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Ok. Discount. Is that a better word choice?
http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/26/9402621/samsung-promotion-galaxy-s6-note-5-discount
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Ok. Discount. Is that a better word choice?
http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/26/9402621/samsung-promotion-galaxy-s6-note-5-discount
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No, because it's a potential rebate of future payments due, not a discounted sale price. From Samsung's website:
Buy a Samsung Galaxy S6, Galaxy S6 edge, Galaxy S6 edge+ or Galaxy Note5 on an installment plan or lease and get a rebate of all monthly device payments up to $120 following valid online claim.
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And the thread title and OP are still misleading. You make it sound like this move is being made because the Note5 is an inferior device. I get from your post history that you're quite disappointed with it, but obviously the Note5 is not the focus of this promotion. Samsung timed it with the release of the iPhone 6s and 6s+, and all the devices in the promotion compete directly with the 6s & 6s+. It's much more likely that they're just trying to keep a few people from buying iPhones. It has nothing to do with the Note5's "Apple-wannabe design."
No non-Apple smartphone OEM sold more of a single high-end device than they did last year. Samsung will sell fewer S6/S6+/Note 5's than it did last year. The market's changed and high-end non-Apple smartphones are tanking. Primarily due to the Western markets being saturated and highish-end phones being sold at 1/3 to 1/2 the price of big brand flagships in emerging markets. Flagships help sell lower tier phones like Samsung’s A-series which they're pushing the hell out of. Samsung sold more smartphones in Q2 this year than they did last year. But with selling price and margin down because they make less on lower tier phones they posted declines in revenue and profit. The latter for the year is $5+B. The only other OEM that turned a profit was LG who made $173K (thousand isn't a typo) last quarter. The rest lost hundreds of millions of dollars. This is the new reality and no single flagship is going to change that; for Samsung or anyone else.
Sooo, @BarryH_GEG, are you saying that this has nothing to do with Samsung ditching SD cards and removable batteries while apeing iPhone design language? If not, it must be that the iPhone can open Angry Birds faster
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Samsung got irritated with people saying that Samsung made cheap plasticity build phones. ..lag laden touch wiz and bloated features and gimmicks that no one used. ..those who were loyal to samsung bought them still bit for others who didn't. .that was their reasons
So they said enough. ..if that's what people want. ..well we will give it to them and they did a great job with that. ..
For 1...I am not complaining. ..and they have been slowly changing their design language with the note every year. ..and what they did now with note 5 was an eventual change
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Early buyers always pay more. End of story.
Rebates and discounts are bound to happen. For all companies.
Apple themselves will barely offer promotions like this because they make so much money and have a very loyal fanbase. They don't need to.
However, retailers, carriers and other outlets will have promotions and discounts for iPhone's.
Apple sells two versions of 1 phone (previous models too), they have a much easier time maintaining and controlling things (hardware/software) as opposed to Android or Windows Phone OEM's.
The Note 5 will never sell as much as the iPhone 6s Plus, because there are so many other variants/models at that "phablet" size in the Android market.
While for Apple, the Plus is the ONLY model at that size. Whether that be the 6 or 6s.
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Sooo, @BarryH_GEG, are you saying that this has nothing to do with Samsung ditching SD cards and removable batteries while apeing iPhone design language? If not, it must be that the iPhone can open Angry Birds faster
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Expandable storage and removable batteries aren't even in the top ten features purchasers consider when buying a smartphone. Design is. Does anyone here think a Note 5 that followed Samsung's earlier formula of a peel off plastic back cover and the design that relegates them to would have sold better? If they went that way instead of people *****ing about batteries and storage they'd be *****ing about another in a series of carry over designs.
They needed to do something major and I for one am pleased with the result.
This isnt a deal you can take if your phone is from a AT&T. They also have a $100 Google Play credit for some carries, also not AT&T. I think this is more of a play to get the other carriers sales of the device is all. Its a solid phone. I never thought I would like a Samsung device and I love this phone more than any of the previous HTC or Nexus devices I have had.
What an ignorant post. how is the note 5 anything like the iPhone design? Just because it doesn't have removable back and sdcard?
Obviously you don't need an android device. If you think having no sdcard is the end of the world then you need to go elsewhere. I can find at least 1 easy way to extend my storage to 96gb
I must admit I have a bit of a problem with samsung's desperation. They want to get that Apple recipe for success so bad. Instead of looking at what makes apple so successful and generates such brand loyalty they try to get apple sheep to switch. As if...
Apple is one of the only companies in the world that can make you buy the same thing twice. There's a reason for that. Design language was a step in the right direction. Focusing on getting people away from apple rather than making your own customers experience better is a fail in my opinion. Because while and if they succeed at luring a few clients away from apple, they are losing the same amount if not more to them.
Why don't they take care of the clients they do have? Just thinking out loud guys...
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I must admit I have a bit of a problem with samsung's desperation. They want to get that Apple recipe for success so bad. Instead of looking at what makes apple so successful and generates such brand loyalty they try to get apple sheep to switch. As if...
Apple is one of the only companies in the world that can make you buy the same thing twice. There's a reason for that. Design language was a step in the right direction. Focusing on getting people away from apple rather than making your own customers experience better is a fail in my opinion. Because while and if they succeed at luring a few clients away from apple, they are losing the same amount if not more to them.
Why don't they take care of the clients they do have? Just thinking out loud guys...
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I dont think Apple gain any customer from Samsung at all. If anything its the other way around, it just so happen Samsung is being competing with other Company that also have Android i.e HTC, Miezu, Huawei, LG and One plus. Why would people pay for an 800 device when a 400 device is just as good and have more "options". Apple just so happen to stay at the top because they are a monopoly, they dont release their OS to any other company therefore making them the only company to buy Apple product ,it should be illegal really but hey when you have money you can pay off the judge right? If you combine all Android device in the world, it would substantially killed the Apple phone sales stats.
Apple is a company that will always be second to someone, they lose to Microsoft and now they lose to Google. They only stay afloat by making themselves a monopoly. Blackberry could have save themselves too but they join the android game too late, honestly their CEO should be fire, what an idiot! He obviously dint study the mobile market and just try to release more BB product. Blackberry Market is facing extinction, even if they switch to android, its too little too late, but I digress.
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Because you can't grow with a dwindling number of loyal existing customers. Two cases in point. HTC had larger market share than Samsung in 2011. Through a series of product and marketing missteps on their part teamed with great competition their customer base began to dwindle. The M7/8/9 are highly regarded phones and have won critical acclaim. Each sold fewer units than the last. All that's left of HTC's customers are a shrinking group of loyalists. Net result is HTC is on its death bed. Saab is another good example. They were the anti-BMW at their peak and sold an enormous amount of cars. Saab owner loyalty was incredible. There just weren't enough of them to keep sales going and, like HTC, a series of product missteps and increased competition sealed their fate.
Existing customer support is critical but not at the expense of responding to changing demographic and market conditions. And that statement is broader than just Samsung's situation.
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Because you can't grow with a dwindling number of loyal existing customers. Two cases in point. HTC had larger market share than Samsung in 2011. Through a series of product and marketing missteps on their part teamed with great competition their customer base began to dwindle. The M7/8/9 are highly regarded phones and have won critical acclaim. Each sold fewer units than the last. All that's left of HTC's customers are a shrinking group of loyalists. Net result is HTC is on its death bed. Saab is another good example. They were the anti-BMW at their peak and sold an enormous amount of cars. Saab owner loyalty was incredible. There just weren't enough of them to keep sales going and, like HTC, a series of product missteps and increased competition sealed their fate.
Existing customer support is critical but not at the expense of responding to changing demographic and market conditions. And that statement is broader than just Samsung's situation.
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Makes sense. From a business perspective you are absolutely right. My comment was coming from an emotional place though. I can't help but feel that samsung should actually listen to people like us. I don't know about you but I've owned every single iteration of the galaxy family s and note since the s2. They almost lost me a few times but I keep coming back. That screen though... Best screen on any phone. Keeps me coming back, Lol.
The hate continues.
I see they are now on ebay for 579. Unbelievable. I paid 200 more for this.
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I see they are now on ebay for 579. Unbelievable. I paid 200 more for this.
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I guess it depends on how you look at it. For $579 you're getting a Singaporean 32GB Note 5 with no warranty and no support available from Samsung U.S. even if you're willing to pay for it. Unlike the past you can't use Odin to run Western (EG: Europe) ROMs because with different model numbers assigned it'll fail in Odin. It won't work with Samsung Pay and may not work with Android Pay depending on what Google's using to validate the device's market applicability.
There's been posts from people with Asian phones complaining about missing features and settings so that's something to consider. Rooting will fix it for those inclined and with no warranty anyway that's an option. But with root you loose multimedia features (EG: AllShare) unless root cloaks can help get it back. You're also relying on Monoprice (the eBay seller) to satisfy you if there's out-of-box issues like screen imperfections or less than perfect build quality. I'd imagine if any follow-on support was needed upon receipt of the device you're looking at a bunch of back-and-forth and out of pocket expense for return shipment plus the time that'll take. Certainly not support like you'd get from a carrier who has an invested interest in you beyond just selling you a device.
I don't know what carrier you're with but I'm on AT&T's Next 18 which allows me to get a new phone every year. The forgiven balance from my Note 4 was $400. So I overpaid getting it originally at $800ish but actually paid $400ish with the forgiveness factored in. The caveat being $400 high-end phones every year only works if I continue with AT&T.
So I guess whether or not $579 is a good deal depends on how you look at what you're getting and what you're giving up as well. Especially taking the comparative net of any benefit from carrier subsidy/financing programs in to account. Like so many things discussed here value is a big YMMV.
P.S. - My Note 12 is Singaporean and I've owned about a half-dozen grey market devices. So I know the drill.
Am on att, and very happy with the device! Best device I have ever owned.
And it's quite interesting to look over the threads and see how few complaints, if any, there are about this device. Everything works. No issues.
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BarryH_GEG said:
I guess it depends on how you look at it. For $579 you're getting a Singaporean 32GB Note 5 with no warranty and no support available from Samsung U.S. even if you're willing to pay for it. Unlike the past you can't use Odin to run Western (EG: Europe) ROMs because with different model numbers assigned it'll fail in Odin. It won't work with Samsung Pay and may not work with Android Pay depending on what Google's using to validate the device's market applicability.
There's been posts from people with Asian phones complaining about missing features and settings so that's something to consider. Rooting will fix it for those inclined and with no warranty anyway that's an option. But with root you loose multimedia features (EG: AllShare) unless root cloaks can help get it back. You're also relying on Monoprice (the eBay seller) to satisfy you if there's out-of-box issues like screen imperfections or less than perfect build quality. I'd imagine if any follow-on support was needed upon receipt of the device you're looking at a bunch of back-and-forth and out of pocket expense for return shipment plus the time that'll take. Certainly not support like you'd get from a carrier who has an invested interest in you beyond just selling you a device.
I don't know what carrier you're with but I'm on AT&T's Next 18 which allows me to get a new phone every year. The forgiven balance from my Note 4 was $400. So I overpaid getting it originally at $800ish but actually paid $400ish with the forgiveness factored in. The caveat being $400 high-end phones every year only works if I continue with AT&T.
So I guess whether or not $579 is a good deal depends on how you look at what you're getting and what you're giving up as well. Especially taking the comparative net of any benefit from carrier subsidy/financing programs in to account. Like so many things discussed here value is a big YMMV.
P.S. - My Note 12 is Singaporean and I've owned about a half-dozen grey market devices. So I know the drill.
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Yup, pros and cons to owning each.
Here's my take:
Personally, I don't see it as that big of a risk. I've never received a device that was malfunctioning or broken in any way. If so, in most cases, the seller has to give you a replacement or refund. As as warranty goes, in a worse come to worse scenario, I can always get it fixed at a local repair shop. Plenty of those around now a days. Me personally, I have a friend who operates one in Philadelphia.
Android Pay is installed and works fine.
I'm not sure about any missing features or settings, haven't come across anything I'm missing aside from carrier bloatware.
Purchasing a phone at $580 is a great deal, in my opinion. I paid $750 by the way only a few weeks ago for mine. Think about it like this, you said you're paying around $400 every year on AT&T Next. Just to upgrade to a newer phone. If you buy that model you referenced above for $580, after a year you could easily sell it for at least $400 (judging by what I got for my Note 4 after one year). So in the end you only paid $180 to upgrade to the latest and greatest.
AT&T, in my opinion, is known for ripping you off on Next upgrades. You end up paying more (total) than you would on T-Mobile or Verizon.
My experience so far with the international model has been excellent. Super fast speeds on AT&T, no carrier bloatware or control over updates. Beautiful gold color, which stands out in a see of black and white phones. No dependence on a carrier known for late updates or anything else.
I called Samsung inquiring about Samsung Pay on this phone. They said once it rolls out to Singapore. It should be able to work in any participating country. That being said, the list of participating U.S. banks is minimal at the moment so it doesn't really interest me anymore.
After my call with their support specialist, I really thought about Samsung Pay, mobile payments as a whole right now in America. With the transition to chip and pay in this country, mobile payment systems from Apple, Samsung and others in the early stages. It didn't make sense for me to wait. I'm going to update my phone again in a year or maybe earlier. So I'd rather wait until mobile payments is more broadly supported.
I rooted my phone immediately after that call. Lol. In the end, I think mobile payments still have another year+ more to go before they're really any good and useful enough to replace my wallet.
After rooting, my phone is even better than before! So much more I can customize and do. My phone feels quicker, battery life seems better and much more. Granted I just rooted recently, so I want to test it more. Aside from T-Mobile, that's something the U.S. carrier Note 5's can never do.
As you said in your post "YMMV". I think this 100% true. Everyone's miles vary. For me the international gold Note 5 rooted is the best Note 5 for me personally.
Just my two cents.