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I am COMPLETELY fed up with SPRINT and their HORRIBLE customer Service.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVED my rooted EVO, but it broke.. I was forced to get an Insurance phone, and i Lost my root. The ONLINE Sprint REP told me he would waive my $100 fee, But when i went into a brick and mortar Sprint store, The rep told me that no REP would ever say that, They have never done that and never will waive an insurance fee and that he has NO way of checking that. I told him that the online rep told me that he will post it on my account so that and REP could see it and he said that basically i'm lying and that never happened. So i was sent the insurance phone, i had it for 48 hours and the screen died. I could still turn the phone on, it would still ring and i could still answer by knowing where to touch from memory, but the screen was just black. I took it in, they argued to that i would need to pay anotehr $100 for a new phone for an hour before giving me what they said was a 'brand new' EVO.. Well i've had it for 2 days.. I put in on the charger for 8 hours yesterday, took it off and 45 minutes later my phone was dead. I put it back on the charger last night.. When i woke up this morning, it wont charge or turn on. and they're telling me yet again, I would need to pay another $100 to get a new phone. This is absurd and ridiculous and I HATE SPRINT AND THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE!
Anyway, I'm going to leave sprint, So if you could have ANY PHONE, from ANY Network
Which phone would you choose? I HATE slide out keyboards, so one of those is not an option.
The Samsung Galaxy S II looks like the perfect phone, but it has a Keyboard
The HTC Thunderbolt i have heard alot of problems about, but I also Like it alot?
What is the current Best phone with the BEST SPECS, and also, Are their any phones coming out in the next month or two that are worth waiting for?
Personally I really like the HTC EVO 4G, but I'm biased since this is in the EVO section.
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You don't have to pay the $100 again if the phone came defective, the insurance offers a warranty to all phones I believe is 1 or 3 months. The only way you would have to pay the $100 again is if you broke the replacement or lost it.
Also when you get your new phone try to calibrate the battery, Charge and discharge around 3 times so you break it in.
As for the best phone, you won't find your answer here since most of us including myself are biased towards the evo.
Are you still biased towards the EVO even though you cannot root it? Would you rather not have an HTC Inspire that's indentical to the EVO but can be rooted? Or an HTC Thunderburd? or even an HTC EVO 3D? How can you say you'd rather have an unrooted EVO over any of those phones? I'm asking for the BEST phone available, the EVO has been out over a year, there are plenty of better phones that have came out.. Sure i loved my ROOTED EVO too, but not my unrooted EVO, and the EVO WAS THE BEST when it first came out, but there are numerous phones that beat it's specs and have updated sense now, so it's no longer THE BEST, catch my drift?
Id stay with Sprint you cant beat there Rates ..and unlimited data
Rates don't matter if you can't get a working phone, or a phone that allows you to do what you want.. I've been running MIUI for months, so to go back to SENSE make me feel like my insurance replacement was a downgrade.. Why pay for insurance if you can't be given the same phone that you purcahsed, I didn't purcahse a 2.3 Gingerbread EVO i purchased a 2.2 FROYO EVO that allowed me complete customization, not a 2.3 EVO that is locked boring a bland and i cannot customize whatsoever, and to give me 2 EVO's within 1 week that break is bull****, Plus the insurance one came with a screen cover, and when i had to get it repalced, the store REFUSED to give me another screen cover for the new phone, just refused! What bull****, they probably have 1000s of them, mark it down as making the customer happy for gods sake, why would you be that cheap an upset a customer after all the hassle he's had to go through.. Ridiculous, No store should ever treat customers like that if they expect to keep them.
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Are you still biased towards the EVO even though you cannot root it? Would you rather not have an HTC Inspire that's indentical to the EVO but can be rooted? Or an HTC Thunderburd? or even an HTC EVO 3D? How can you say you'd rather have an unrooted EVO over any of those phones? I'm asking for the BEST phone available, the EVO has been out over a year, there are plenty of better phones that have came out.. Sure i loved my ROOTED EVO too, but not my unrooted EVO, and the EVO WAS THE BEST when it first came out, but there are numerous phones that beat it's specs and have updated sense now, so it's no longer THE BEST, catch my drift?
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Then leave, the evo can do 99% of the things other phones on the market do. Sure there are dual core phones but that's all just hype since there are a few apps optimized for them.
If you just plain hate the evo because of root, the only phone I would suggest is the 3d since the motorola photon is locked and the Nexus has radio problems.
Just remember that when you switch carriers...
You will pay more.
You won't have unlimited data.(I rather be stock forever without root before having a data cap or having my speeds throttled.)
Also to compare, my friends t-mobile G2 had a screen issue, do you know what t-mobile did? they told him its htc's problem not theirs so he had to ship the phone and stay without service for a week.
Even without TEP, the local sprint store I go to services phones that are under the 1 year warranty and sometimes they even replace them without charging a dime.
It's not plain hate for the EVO it's the fact that i've had 3 EVO's in 1 week, and apparently they just keep giving me faulty refurbished phones at my local sprint store, and all the reps on the floor are extremely unknowledable, the one rep didn't even know what froyo was.. I said i asked for a 2.2 Froyo, and he said that phone must be on another network because we dont sell a phone called a froyo. I absolutely loved my EVO which i purchased back in February, LOVED IT! But it stopped being able to receive text messages, and a week later stopped being able to charge which forced me to get a replacement, and now i'll be going back for a 4th replacement this week alone. It's rather frustrating that I've gotten 3 new phones and each time i have to re-download all my apps, i have to re-set up all my accounts and spend hours upon hours setting everything back up, and then 24 hours it's broken, I dont have a phone all day, and i have to make yet another trip to a Sprint Store that has HORRIBLE Service.
And on top of it, I have NO 4G in my area, Youngstown, OH -- I had Verizon for over 10 years and never ever dropped calls.. Now i drop multiple calls a day, I hardly ever have service anywhere i go.. My download speeds are atrocious.. I max out at around 50kb/s downloads -- and that's IF I EVEN get internet service. I'm just fed up with all the trips to sprint, multiple defective phones and the horrible support i've received. I obviously Don't want to have to go buy a new phone, pay more for service, and pay an early cancellation fee unless i was EXTREMELY fed up.. Just getting ridiculous now, I cannot afford to not have a phone for over a week with my job. To wake up this morning and find that my phone wont turn was the last straw.. 3 phones in 1 week is insane.
In my ever so humble opinion, the best phone you could get right now is the iPhone 4. A lot of people will grumble about how it's a walled garden environment and you can't mess around with the OS much (Jailbreaking will only get you so far), but if you're looking for a solid out-of-the-box experience, you would be hard-pressed to find something better.
If you were to go this route, Verizon and AT&T are pretty much equal as far as I can tell, although I hated AT&T's customer service (which is why I am with Sprint now). I loved my iPhone, though, and had great coverage everywhere except at my house. If you're not a heavy data user then the unlimited data really doesn't mean that much; I never went over 5GB on my iPhone, and I used the hell out of that thing.
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It's not plain hate for the EVO it's the fact that i've had 3 EVO's in 1 week, and apparently they just keep giving me faulty refurbished phones at my local sprint store, and all the reps on the floor are extremely unknowledable, the one rep didn't even know what froyo was.. I said i asked for a 2.2 Froyo, and he said that phone must be on another network because we dont sell a phone called a froyo.
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Maybe you just need a different local Sprint store
I hear the Thunderbolt is nice
Why don't you try the T-Mob Sensation?
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In my ever so humble opinion, the best phone you could get right now is the iPhone 4. A lot of people will grumble about how it's a walled garden environment and you can't mess around with the OS much (Jailbreaking will only get you so far), but if you're looking for a solid out-of-the-box experience, you would be hard-pressed to find something better.
If you were to go this route, Verizon and AT&T are pretty much equal as far as I can tell, although I hated AT&T's customer service (which is why I am with Sprint now). I loved my iPhone, though, and had great coverage everywhere except at my house. If you're not a heavy data user then the unlimited data really doesn't mean that much; I never went over 5GB on my iPhone, and I used the hell out of that thing.
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get ooooooutta here with that bull. The Evo right now is still one of the best phones out there, even though the specs aren't quite on par with some of the newest phones (dual core blah blah blah), you're not gonna find much better. Basically Sprint Evo=Verizon Thunderbolt=AT&T Inspire and i don't know about other carriers. The Galaxy S II is going to be top of the line when it is released, and the only one with a physical keyboard is the AT&T model, so if you don't want sprint, you should go with verizon for that (due out sometime this month). I recently sampled all of the newest android devices from every carrier, and i personally don't think any of the motorola's come even close to matching up with the HTC and Samsung. Samsungs screens are amazing and so are their cameras, but touchwiz is god awful. I'm a huge HTC Sense fan, so i take preference to any HTC phone. The thunderbolt i have heard not too great things about. If i had to pick a phone on a carrier other than sprint, i think i would say the Incredible 2 on verizon or the Galaxy S II on verizon. AT&T service is not too great, but the inspire is really nice, and if you can handle a 4.5 inch screen, the samsung infuse isn't awful. So back to the iPhone fanboy, iPhone 4 will be obsolete within 3 months, when the iPhone 5 comes out, and the iPhone 5 will still not be on par with the new android devices. Apple puts out 1 phone a year from 1 manufacturer, and then sues because they can't keep up with the android phones that are constantly being improved. iPhone=Apple App store and that is it. If all you want is the apps from apples store, go ahead and get an iPhone but if you really want a truly customizable, top-of-the-line phone experience, you'd be an idiot to go with anything but android
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In my ever so humble opinion, the best phone you could get right now is the iPhone 4. A lot of people will grumble about how it's a walled garden environment and you can't mess around with the OS much (Jailbreaking will only get you so far), but if you're looking for a solid out-of-the-box experience, you would be hard-pressed to find something better.
If you were to go this route, Verizon and AT&T are pretty much equal as far as I can tell, although I hated AT&T's customer service (which is why I am with Sprint now). I loved my iPhone, though, and had great coverage everywhere except at my house. If you're not a heavy data user then the unlimited data really doesn't mean that much; I never went over 5GB on my iPhone, and I used the hell out of that thing.
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I'm gonna have to agree with MaxCarnage. It looks like you want an out of the box experience with no hassles. Apple will provide you with all of that for the time being.
As far as rates, You're going to be paying a lot for this service through At&t or Verizon, but it's better than being phoneless.
Also, I would suggest you find a new local store, some stores aren't REAL stores. Go to your nearest corporate store.
Also, anytime you have a conversation with an online rep, your conversation is saved and emailed to you. I don't understand how you couldn't just produce that document to the rep. So, I wouldn't bash on Sprint until you've exhausted all the appropriate options. Also, sprint would most likely reimburse you for the money you spent and the trouble you've had with them.
So far, my experience with Sprint has been great.
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get ooooooutta here with that bull. The Evo right now is still one of the best phones out there, even though the specs aren't quite on par with some of the newest phones (dual core blah blah blah), you're not gonna find much better. Basically Sprint Evo=Verizon Thunderbolt=AT&T Inspire and i don't know about other carriers. The Galaxy S II is going to be top of the line when it is released, and the only one with a physical keyboard is the AT&T model, so if you don't want sprint, you should go with verizon for that (due out sometime this month). I recently sampled all of the newest android devices from every carrier, and i personally don't think any of the motorola's come even close to matching up with the HTC and Samsung. Samsungs screens are amazing and so are their cameras, but touchwiz is god awful. I'm a huge HTC Sense fan, so i take preference to any HTC phone. The thunderbolt i have heard not too great things about. If i had to pick a phone on a carrier other than sprint, i think i would say the Incredible 2 on verizon or the Galaxy S II on verizon. AT&T service is not too great, but the inspire is really nice, and if you can handle a 4.5 inch screen, the samsung infuse isn't awful. So back to the iPhone fanboy, iPhone 4 will be obsolete within 3 months, when the iPhone 5 comes out, and the iPhone 5 will still not be on par with the new android devices. Apple puts out 1 phone a year from 1 manufacturer, and then sues because they can't keep up with the android phones that are constantly being improved. iPhone=Apple App store and that is it. If all you want is the apps from apples store, go ahead and get an iPhone but if you really want a truly customizable, top-of-the-line phone experience, you'd be an idiot to go with anything but android
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get ooooooutta here with that bull [...] So back to the iPhone fanboy, iPhone 4 will be obsolete within 3 months, when the iPhone 5 comes out, and the iPhone 5 will still not be on par with the new android devices. Apple puts out 1 phone a year from 1 manufacturer, and then sues because they can't keep up with the android phones that are constantly being improved. iPhone=Apple App store and that is it. If all you want is the apps from apples store, go ahead and get an iPhone but if you really want a truly customizable, top-of-the-line phone experience, you'd be an idiot to go with anything but android
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Call it bull if you want; I was sharing my opinion. Calling me names/insulting me doesn't bolster your arguments.
Yes a new iPhone is coming out. How you can say that it won't be on par with new Android devices I'm not sure; you must have some secret sources that have fed you the specs for the as-yet announced Apple device. Either that or your psychic.
It's true that Android phones are constantly being released and often with marginal improvements, but what this has created is a fractured environment where apps only work on small groups of phones and other phones are left in the dust. You can't even be sure that your Android phone will get the next OS update when you buy it. Android's hectic release cycle has made fragmentation a serious issue rather than just a buzzword for Apple "fanboys".
When you buy an iPhone you have a pretty good idea that it will be the premier iOS device for at least a year. Apple has been very good at backwards compatibility, so you can easily get two years out of an iPhone with all the latest software updates and features. No Android phone can offer that today.
There are pros and cons to the iPhone and iOS, but what it really comes down to is what you as a user are looking for. The iPhone is a reliable device that provides an exceptional experience as long as you don't want to mess around with the behind-the-scenes pieces of your phone. To say that anyone would be "an idiot" for going with the iPhone is clearly biased and wants to play elitist. I have had both kinds of phones, currently have an Android phone, and I can tell you that if you want to leave Sprint you would not go wrong by seriously considering an iPhone.
You should be an optimistprime, not a negatron. =P
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I'm gonna have to agree with MaxCarnage. It looks like you want an out of the box experience with no hassles. Apple will provide you with all of that for the time being.
As far as rates, You're going to be paying a lot for this service through At&t or Verizon, but it's better than being phoneless.
Also, I would suggest you find a new local store, some stores aren't REAL stores. Go to your nearest corporate store.
Also, anytime you have a conversation with an online rep, your conversation is saved and emailed to you. I don't understand how you couldn't just produce that document to the rep. So, I wouldn't bash on Sprint until you've exhausted all the appropriate options. Also, sprint would most likely reimburse you for the money you spent and the trouble you've had with them.
So far, my experience with Sprint has been great.
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They dont reimburse you with cash or anything besidea crediting your account
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Call it bull if you want; I was sharing my opinion. Calling me names/insulting me don't bolster your arguments.
Yes a new iPhone is coming out. How you can say that it won't be on par with new Android devices I'm not sure; you must have some secret sources that have fed you the specs for the as-yet announced Apple device. Either that or your psychic.
It's true that Android phones are constantly being released and often with marginal improvements, but what this has created is a fractured environment where apps only work on small groups of phones and other phones are left in the dust. You can't even be sure that your Android phone will get the next OS update when you buy it. Android's hectic release cycle has made fragmentation a serious issue rather than just a buzzword for Apple "fanboys".
When you buy an iPhone you have a pretty good idea that it will be the premier iOS device for at least a year. Apple has been very good at backwards compatibility, so you can easily get two years out of an iPhone with all the latest software updates and features. No Android phone can offer that today.
There are pros and cons to the iPhone and iOS, but what it really comes down to is what you as a user are looking for. The iPhone is a reliable device that provides an exceptional experience as long as you don't want to mess around with the behind-the-scenes pieces of your phone. To say that anyone would be "an idiot" for going with the iPhone is clearly biased and wants to play elitist. I have had both kinds of phones, currently have an Android phone, and I can tell you that if you want to leave Sprint you would not go wrong by seriously considering an iPhone.
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The Evo has been out for over a year, and is still on par with the newly released phones, and has the most recent software. You can root it any put any software you like on it, so there goes the two years argument because i guarantee next june the Evo will still be able to run the most recent updates and features, whether through official releases or custom ROMs (which btw you can't run on iOS).
There is absolutely nothing that an iPhone can do that any of the newer (and by newer i mean within a year or so, evo included) android phones cannot. Nothing at all. Look at it the other way, and it's a different story. Custom ROMs, kernels, launchers, widgets, 4G, video chatting over 3G/4G, hardware options: physical keyboards, various screen sizes and phone shapes, features like 8 megapixel cameras, 1080p video recording, 3D video recording, kickstands, battery upgrades, fingerprint scanners, there is just so much more that android has to offer.
If you want to get sucked into apple's mind controlling dictatorship, be my guest, but an educated consumer would research the options and find that while the iPhone does have a lot to offer, android has much, much more, and if you don't want the same generic smartphone experience that comes with every iPhone, then there is just no comparison.
Also to consolidate phone recommendations from before, if you want a phone that is almost the same as the evo but a different carrier, AT&T HTC Inspire. If you want something a little bit smaller but newer and not on AT&T, Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 2. And if you want the newest technology, but no physical keyboard, Verizon Samsung Galaxy S II.
I'm sure this has been posted and I may get flamed for it but I don't really care, I don't have lots of time at work to check my bases before posting and only get to view XDA intermittently.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903327904576526690675657466.html
While this at first glance appears to be more Apple happy news, I think this is great news for all Sprint users as it will drive more business Sprint's way. As they grow and become more competitive in the market prices will stabilize across the board for all carriers and drive the US Cell Market away from the Duopoly that it is headed for. If this report proves true it's a huge win for Sprint and I say thumbs up to Hesse.
Well...assuming Sprint will get the next Nexus, this means they'll be releasing the iPhone, SGS2, and Nexus Prime all within (possibly) a month of each other. Worst case...3 months.
If this is the case, this may crush my dream of Google buying Sprint
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Well...assuming Sprint will get the next Nexus, this means they'll be releasing the iPhone, SGS2, and Nexus Prime all within (possibly) a month of each other. Worst case...3 months.
If this is the case, this may crush my dream of Google buying Sprint
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Lol. I don't think sprint will ever sell. The company is growing more and more and if this is the case a lot of Verizon and att customers will come to sprint IF sprint keeps the prices they have now.
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hayzooos said:
Well...assuming Sprint will get the next Nexus, this means they'll be releasing the iPhone, SGS2, and Nexus Prime all within (possibly) a month of each other. Worst case...3 months.
If this is the case, this may crush my dream of Google buying Sprint
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Or they may do it to piss apple off...
Kidding.
But this would be a great thing for sprint...maybe not the customers...I don't think they're network can handle this. We would all get slow data speeds/crappy call quality...and the giant amount of att/verizon users who want unlimited data is even worse.
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Well...assuming Sprint will get the next Nexus, this means they'll be releasing the iPhone, SGS2, and Nexus Prime all within (possibly) a month of each other. Worst case...3 months.
If this is the case, this may crush my dream of Google buying Sprint
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Doubt google will buy sprint just to have to pay sprint's debt off right after
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This made my wife's day...
Of course, I told her that I don't support iPhones...
There's been scuttlebutt about this for a while. I agree with other posters...if it helps Sprint, great, but I have zero interest in it and don't like the potential effects it may have on the rest of Sprint's network. Also hope it's not bad for their other partnerships.
It would be hilarious if they kept it at 3G though. And the Appleheads or Jobs dickriders or whatever you call them wouldn't even care...many of them think AT&T and Verizon iPhones already ARE 4G. (chortle)
I would be tempted to buy the iphone5 but i'm in love with the android now, and any iphone app looks 100x better on the ipad.
I don't usually post more than once from work but this article needs to be added here.
http://www.mobiledia.com/news/104313.html
Maybe Sprint getting the iPhone is a sign that Apple is becoming frustrated with poor network and unresponsive customer service from AT&T.
As for the overload of the network with an influx of iPhone users, it won't hit Sprint for several years, especially considering how many iTards are stuck in contracts still, and don't have the money to cough up 300-400 per device every couple of years. ALSO this may speed the roll out of LTE as I am sure that Apple wants a 4G device, but would not likely settle for WiMax as producing not only CDMA/GSM but LTE/WiMax as well would strain their manufacturing and cut into their all important profit margin. WiMax is the obvious odd man out.
This is mostly very good news for us. It'll keep the people who want an iPhone from leaving Sprint and bolster Sprint's marketshare which can only help us. Also it may drive Google to ensure the next Nexus phone launches on every network that has an iPhone, making the Nexus Prime (or whatever it's called) more likely for us. And since that's essentially what I'm waiting on to replace my Epic, I like my odds better now.
Only downside: the iPhone has been said to be the cause of AT&T's network troubles and did have an effect on Verizon as well. I'm concerned that it may force Sprint to reconsider their data plans which may hurt us, or the additional traffic may cause problems for us. But still, I'd say the former benefits outweigh these risks.
iPhone 5 with unlimited data plan will be quite a sell for Sprint.
I bought Sprint stock two days ago.
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I am now quite bullish on Sprint. Evo 4G was the best-selling Android phone of Q2 2011. Evo 3D started selling in July.
There have been news that Sprint is buying out the rest of Clearwire and integrating them into Network Vision. The best scenario is that a group of cable providers (Cox, Comcast, etc.) are investing in Sprint, which will then use the money to directly buy Clearwire.
Thus, Clearwire's lack-of-money build-out issue and LTE transition will be resolved. Sprint will have a huge spectrum advantage over ATT and Verizon. And it will have an infusion of cash and outside support for its Network Vision and leveraging of iPhone 5 sales.
AND...
since Sprint also announced today that it would begin offering the new Blackberry Curve 95-something-or-other (who really cares about RIM?) I decided to check Sprint stock and if you own any, I hope you enjoyed the 10.12% jump in value, and an additional .84% after hours. 11% in a day? Not bad for the girls we go with...
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since Sprint also announced today that it would begin offering the new Blackberry Curve 95-something-or-other (who really cares about RIM?) I decided to check Sprint stock and if you own any, I hope you enjoyed the 10.12% jump in value, and an additional .84% after hours. 11% in a day? Not bad for the girls we go with...
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I bought some stock a week ago. We'll see how it goes.
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.....only to make an already overburdened 3G network even worse. I shudder at the mere thought of it. Another reason I'm seriously tempted to bolt for big red.
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Just playing devil's advocate here. The arguement about network performance degradation isn't necessarily relevant here, as network footprint doesn't have as much to do with it as available spectrum does. And sprint has more than any other carrier. Think of it as width versus length debate. As far as how many users and how much data they consume is concerned, it's more about the spread of spectrum than the strength.
EDIT: and while yes it is true that a single tower can only handle so much and this is where the footprint arguement grounds itself in, this is also a much easier solved problem than the complex one of spreading out your spectrum. The cost is more fixed: increasing footprint means increasing tower count. Increasing spectrum, however, is a different beast. This problem means having to acquire spectrum off of those who own it. And the cost of that can vary greatly and isn't as easily obtained.
Plus, sprint already has a ton of money invested in network vision, and has a deadline of 2014. Rest assured, with the amount of money at risk, they will most definitely be hitting that deadline
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excuse my french but idgaf what anyone says about apple and the iphone. if the iphone 5 is a winner then ill jump ship in a heartbeat even without wimax. after all the problems my epic has given me i will never buy another samsung
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Just playing devil's advocate here. The arguement about network performance degradation isn't necessarily relevant here, as network footprint doesn't have as much to do with it as available spectrum does. And sprint has more than any other carrier. Think of it as width versus length debate. As far as how many users and how much data they consume is concerned, it's more about the spread of spectrum than the strength.
EDIT: and while yes it is true that a single tower can only handle so much and this is where the footprint arguement grounds itself in, this is also a much easier solved problem than the complex one of spreading out your spectrum. The cost is more fixed: increasing footprint means increasing tower count. Increasing spectrum, however, is a different beast. This problem means having to acquire spectrum off of those who own it. And the cost of that can vary greatly and isn't as easily obtained. Plus, both the frequency and voice technology sprint and verizon employ are much more accomodating to high volumes of traffic than what att has. Hence, why verizon dealt well with it.
Plus, sprint already has a ton of money invested in network vision, and has a deadline of 2014. Rest assured, with the amount of money at risk, they will most definitely be hitting that deadline
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I bought some stock a week ago. We'll see how it goes.
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Same here.
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Win-Win for Sprint definitely! I prefer Android, but this will most definitely make my mom happy as she's been wanting an iPhone since they first came out. Sprint can definitely compete now & IMO they will have the best phone lineup to offer.
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Just what we need apple fan boys at sprint stores. And bye bye unlimited data....
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* Doubled their ETF to $350, and the activation fee to $36; removed activation fee promos.
* Cut the trail period in half to 14 days (from 30).
* Canned annual phone upgrades.
* Killed off the Sprint Premiere Rewards program.
Next up is no more discounts on family plans (already cut from all lines to the first two), and data throttling.
And they're basically scrapping Wi-Max to start building out their LTE network...2 years behind everyone else.
They just went from okay-for-the-price, to worse than AT&T/Verizon within a week. I've had it with 25k-150k 3G speeds and shi*ty ass 4G that's the same fing speed as AT&T's 3G, and that's if I'm within eye sight of the tower.
they also went from this...
sprint said:
Overview
Rooting a phone (or getting root) is the process of modifying the operating system on a
device to obtain complete control over it. By rooting a device, the user can then alter certain
built-in functionality of the device. Rooting is strongly discouraged by Sprint and device
manufacturers.
If the customer is experiencing issues that are suspect to be caused by rooting the device
Step Action
1
Educate the customer on the risks involved in rooting their device:
• Rooting can cause irreparable damage to the device.
• Rooting can result in an inoperable device.
• Rooting may result in all customer data and customizations being lost.
2
Open and eTicket and exchange the device per standard Advanced Exchange
procedures.
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We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason. For example, we can suspend or terminate any Service for the following: (i) modifying a Device from its manufacturer specifications (for example, rooting the device); or (l) if we believe the action protects our interests, any customer's interests, or our networks.
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if you don't like it, jump ship and go away. what do you think complaining on a hacker forum is going to do?
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* Doubled their ETF to $350, and the activation fee to $36; removed activation fee promos.
* Cut the trail period in half to 14 days (from 30).
* Canned annual phone upgrades.
* Killed off the Sprint Premiere Rewards program.
Next up is no more discounts on family plans (already cut from all lines to the first two), and data throttling.
And they're basically scrapping Wi-Max to start building out their LTE network...2 years behind everyone else.
They just went from okay-for-the-price, to worse than AT&T/Verizon within a week. I've had it with 25k-150k 3G speeds and shi*ty ass 4G that's the same fing speed as AT&T's 3G, and that's if I'm within eye sight of the tower.
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I must agree with you. I'm just waiting for the iPhone or nexus prime to come out.
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if you don't like it, jump ship and go away. what do you think complaining on a hacker forum is going to do?
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Agreed, we already have multiple threads on these topics as well.
[email protected] forum. i know a lot of yous guys think "u r leet haxor", but it aint real.
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[email protected] forum. i know a lot of yous guys think "u r leet haxor", but it aint real.
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I'm not elite at anything, but this is a hacker forum not desperate housewives of sprint. hacker (hobbyist) = who makes innovative customizations or combinations of retail electronic and computer equipment.
I also know the origins of elite, which most kids don't
The guy was venting. If someone venting on a public forum really disrupt your life than wow to you all. Op i personally feel you but I'm with Sprint for the long haul.
*Edit*
Things to look forward too.
It looks like Sprint might be upgrading the existing EVDO Rev A network to Rev B.
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?fo...rk to Rev B.&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13161314229133
There is also a new video on network vision
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp_jpIdr_uw
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The guy was venting. If someone venting on a public forum really disrupt your life than wow to you all.
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OP posted the same thread in the 3D general AND on Engadget's Facebook post about this topic.
Its fine, he's upset.
So am I.
But there are already threads on this topic and in complete truth its not going to do any good to complain here.
Contact [email protected].
Post on their Facebook.
Post on the Sprint forums.
Or just move to a different carrier.
Those are much more productive ways of handling this.
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OP posted the same thread in the 3D general AND on Engadget's Facebook post about this topic.
Its fine, he's upset.
So am I.
But there are already threads on this topic and in complete truth its not going to do any good to complain here.
Contact [email protected].
Post on their Facebook.
Post on the Sprint forums.
Or just move to a different carrier.
Those are much more productive ways of handling this.
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Yeah, I've done that; talked to Tamera in Dan's office, who opened an advance support ticket for me, where I was told the tower by my house (50k 3G for over a year now) would be upgraded by Sept 17th. On the first Friday of Aug., at 8:30PM, from a guy called and said that they weren't going to be able to get it fixed until Dec 31st...and I'm sure Dec 31st will turn into May 27st, and that'll turn into October 2015. :|
Sprint is really, really good at lying and getting absolutely nothing done. They need to take a few pages out of Apple's book.
And as far as this whole Network Vision goes, it sounds great, and I'm excited about it, but 3 years to complete it? The world went from 3G to 4G within 3 year's time! Wayyy too long to roll it out. Verizon will have LTE in 90% of America within 3 years. :|
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Sprint is really, really good at lying and getting absolutely nothing done. They need to take a few pages out of Apple's book.
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Everyone I know with an iPhone loves it and AT&T's service. And I'd like to see HTC exchange my EVO 2 times within the first month, like Apple did for my new MacBook Air.
[QUOTE="Hrshycro, post: 17589122, m...ike Apple did for my new MacBook Air.[/QUOTE]
I was with at&t for six years. Service was horrible the last year and a half. Plus, who wants to pay extra for data usage? Idk about you guys but I am averaging 5-6gb a month. And HTC wont replace your evo twice in a month...mainly because they make quality products that don't break, unlike apple.
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And as far as this whole Network Vision goes, it sounds great, and I'm excited about it, but 3 years to complete it? The world went from 3G to 4G within 3 year's time! Wayyy too long to roll it out. Verizon will have LTE in 90% of America within 3 years. :|
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That's how long it is going to take.
Verizon started on their LTE network in 2008.
Also, Verizon may have LTE like that in 3 years but that's exactly what Sprint Vision is. All towers will have "4g"
Granted, Verizon has several years headstart in implementing LTE, but unless I misunderstood what you wrote, Sprint's 4G is definitely not LTE. Sprint is using the inferior Clearwire WiMAX format, so they'll be starting from scratch when moving to LTE. If Sprint handles the move to LTE with all of the efficiency that they've handled the addition of WiMAX, Sprint will have it nation-wide in maybe 2023.
I had also read quite some time ago that Sprint would start marketing phones that support both WiMAX and LTE to help with that transition, but I just cannot see them doing that. I forsee that they're going to sell WiMAX phones right up until the day they move to LTE and then say, "Sorry, you'll have to purchase a new phone to use the 4G in your area...well, one day...when we get it to your area...maybe".
It amuses me that Sprint isn't interested in providing its customers with the highest quality, most powerful, daily user devices like the Evo 4G+ (Evo 3D - 3D + 1080p/8mp camera) or even any of the newer, high-end single-core devices. Its all marketing and they are only interested in being "First".
"Proud to introduce the FIRST 4G phone on the market (even though 90% of Evo 4G customers will be on their next phone before we'll have 4G anywhere near them)".
"The FIRST phone with a built in WiFi hotspot (no, there isn't one built into the Android OS! Its..an illusion! Only we have it! Only we have it!)".
"The FIRST 3D phone on the market (even though this is a mostly useless gimmick on a phone and just enabling the 3D-mode will eat your battery so fast you can see the inidcator moving, but we're playing on the fact that MARKETING has US consumers on a 3D kick via 3D TV's & BluRay players which unlike a 3D cellphone, are practical, useable devices)."
As others have pointed out, over the last several months Sprint has gotten rid of every reason to be with Sprint except one, and that it they're not throttling or limiting badwidth...officially...yet. Unofficially, I wonder what is the purpose for the http & rtsp data proxy servers all unmodified Sprint phones go through.
Sprint's story when we got our Evo 4G's was that the $10 per-line charge was, "... to cover the cost of the premium 4G data". I was told this on the phone. "Well, we don't have 4G here and won't have it anytime soon." "Oh, we just meant the premium data plan. We're charging the $10 instead of limiting data usage like other carriers do."
For those not old enough to recall how Sprint made their name in the cellphone industry, it was by a huge ad campaign making fun of all the other companys having daytime and nighttime minutes. Then one day, after Sprint was an established player in the market, all of those advertisements went away. A year or two later, all new Sprint cellphone plans had daytime and nighttime minutes. I wonder when they'll start limiting or throttling bandwidth...its only a matter of time.
This doesn't single out Sprint. They're just like any other piece of crap corporation that would slit our throats in a New York moment if it would improve their quarterly statement 1/100 of a percent.
As for Sprint Reps or any other character that would generally give someone crap because they post generally critical information regarding the carrier that they got their Evo 4G from, for folks like AbsolutZeroGI, I have another thought. Those same rights that enable folks like Hrshycro, austin420 and me to post our thoughts in this General forum setup just for such non-specific topics, also gives you rights.
You didn't have to click the link to this thread, to read it, to agree with it or to comment on it. It doesn't matter if there have been 100 threads on this or similar topics posted before this one. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Hrshycro beginning this thread, or with anyone else contributing to it.
The sad end result of all of this is that the only reason that you even stayed on this thread after reading the OP was to post some smartass, insulting remark. That is your entire purpose for being here. So, I'd like to thank you for setting yet another example of what is killing the xda-developers forums. This is why people stop posting helpful thoughts and information. This is why many awesome devs have left xda and only work off of their own websites, or have gone away entirely. I hope that you stand proud.
Thank you for your time.
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Granted, Verizon has several years headstart in implementing LTE, but unless I misunderstood what you wrote, Sprint's 4G is definitely not LTE. Sprint is using the inferior Clearwire WiMAX format, so they'll be starting from scratch when moving to LTE. If Sprint handles the move to LTE with all of the efficiency that they've handled the addition of WiMAX, Sprint will have it nation-wide in maybe 2023.
I had also read quite some time ago that Sprint would start marketing phones that support both WiMAX and LTE to help with that transition, but I just cannot see them doing that. I forsee that they're going to sell WiMAX phones right up until the day they move to LTE and then say, "Sorry, you'll have to purchase a new phone to use the 4G in your area...well, one day...when we get it to your area...maybe".
It amuses me that Sprint isn't interested in providing its customers with the highest quality, most powerful, daily user devices like the Evo 4G+ (Evo 3D - 3D + 1080p/8mp camera) or even any of the newer, high-end single-core devices. Its all marketing and they are only interested in being "First".
"Proud to introduce the FIRST 4G phone on the market (even though 90% of Evo 4G customers will be on their next phone before we'll have 4G anywhere near them)".
"The FIRST phone with a built in WiFi hotspot (no, there isn't one built into the Android OS! Its..an illusion! Only we have it! Only we have it!)".
"The FIRST 3D phone on the market (even though this is a mostly useless gimmick on a phone and just enabling the 3D-mode will eat your battery so fast you can see the inidcator moving, but we're playing on the fact that MARKETING has US consumers on a 3D kick via 3D TV's & BluRay players which unlike a 3D cellphone, are practical, useable devices)."
As others have pointed out, over the last several months Sprint has gotten rid of every reason to be with Sprint except one, and that it they're not throttling or limiting badwidth...officially...yet. Unofficially, I wonder what is the purpose for the http & rtsp data proxy servers all unmodified Sprint phones go through.
Sprint's story when we got our Evo 4G's was that the $10 per-line charge was, "... to cover the cost of the premium 4G data". I was told this on the phone. "Well, we don't have 4G here and won't have it anytime soon." "Oh, we just meant the premium data plan. We're charging the $10 instead of limiting data usage like other carriers do."
For those not old enough to recall how Sprint made their name in the cellphone industry, it was by a huge ad campaign making fun of all the other companys having daytime and nighttime minutes. Then one day, after Sprint was an established player in the market, all of those advertisements went away. A year or two later, all new Sprint cellphone plans had daytime and nighttime minutes. I wonder when they'll start limiting or throttling bandwidth...its only a matter of time.
This doesn't single out Sprint. They're just like any other piece of crap corporation that would slit our throats in a New York moment if it would improve their quarterly statement 1/100 of a percent.
As for Sprint Reps or any other character that would generally give someone crap because they post generally critical information regarding the carrier that they got their Evo 4G from, for folks like AbsolutZeroGI, I have another thought. Those same rights that enable folks like Hrshycro, austin420 and me to post our thoughts in this General forum setup just for such non-specific topics, also gives you rights.
You didn't have to click the link to this thread, to read it, to agree with it or to comment on it. It doesn't matter if there have been 100 threads on this or similar topics posted before this one. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Hrshycro beginning this thread, or with anyone else contributing to it.
The sad end result of all of this is that the only reason that you even stayed on this thread after reading the OP was to post some smartass, insulting remark. That is your entire purpose for being here. So, I'd like to thank you for setting yet another example of what is killing the xda-developers forums. This is why people stop posting helpful thoughts and information. This is why many awesome devs have left xda and only work off of their own websites, or have gone away entirely. I hope that you stand proud.
Thank you for your time.
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EXACTLY!!! Excellent post!!!
nYdGeo said:
Granted, Verizon has several years headstart in implementing LTE, but unless I misunderstood what you wrote, Sprint's 4G is definitely not LTE. Sprint is using the inferior Clearwire WiMAX format, so they'll be starting from scratch when moving to LTE. If Sprint handles the move to LTE with all of the efficiency that they've handled the addition of WiMAX, Sprint will have it nation-wide in maybe 2023.
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There's nothing inferior about WiMax.
They will certainly not be "starting from scratch" when it comes to LTE.
Sprint didn't do anything "wrong" when it comes to WiMax. Clearwire was in trouble and that caused the problems that we all suffer.
The only thing "wrong" Sprint did is not being able to predict the future in regards to Clearwire's financial future.
nYdGeo said:
I had also read quite some time ago that Sprint would start marketing phones that support both WiMAX and LTE to help with that transition, but I just cannot see them doing that. I forsee that they're going to sell WiMAX phones right up until the day they move to LTE and then say, "Sorry, you'll have to purchase a new phone to use the 4G in your area...well, one day...when we get it to your area...maybe".
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That's not going to happen. WiMax isn't going away and there's no reason for it to be shut down.
nYdGeo said:
It amuses me that Sprint isn't interested in providing its customers with the highest quality, most powerful, daily user devices like the Evo 4G+ (Evo 3D - 3D + 1080p/8mp camera) or even any of the newer, high-end single-core devices. Its all marketing and they are only interested in being "First".
"Proud to introduce the FIRST 4G phone on the market (even though 90% of Evo 4G customers will be on their next phone before we'll have 4G anywhere near them)".
"The FIRST phone with a built in WiFi hotspot (no, there isn't one built into the Android OS! Its..an illusion! Only we have it! Only we have it!)".
"The FIRST 3D phone on the market (even though this is a mostly useless gimmick on a phone and just enabling the 3D-mode will eat your battery so fast you can see the inidcator moving, but we're playing on the fact that MARKETING has US consumers on a 3D kick via 3D TV's & BluRay players which unlike a 3D cellphone, are practical, useable devices)."
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You're complaining about an added feature that can be turned off easily.
How silly, seriously.
Sprint is first to things because it's all they have. At&t and Verizon have 2 times the customers they have.
That's two times the money and two times the resources.
nYdGeo said:
As others have pointed out, over the last several months Sprint has gotten rid of every reason to be with Sprint except one, and that it they're not throttling or limiting badwidth...officially...yet. Unofficially, I wonder what is the purpose for the http & rtsp data proxy servers all unmodified Sprint phones go through.
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They don't throttle phones. I'm in love with this continuing insinuation from people that want to dump on them where there is no proof.
They go through a proxy so they throttle? No, prove it.
Moreover, the definition as it's being used for 'throttling' is limiting speed after a certain amount of usage.
Sprint doesn't do that.
nYdGeo said:
Sprint's story when we got our Evo 4G's was that the $10 per-line charge was, "... to cover the cost of the premium 4G data". I was told this on the phone. "Well, we don't have 4G here and won't have it anytime soon." "Oh, we just meant the premium data plan. We're charging the $10 instead of limiting data usage like other carriers do."
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That was NEVER stated. I don't care what some rep in a store said. It was never a 4g fee. So tired of this recycled argument.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=17592685#post17592685
If you're unhappy with Sprint, you are welcome to leave.
I don't know why that's so hard.
I was eligible for a premier annual upgrade on september 2011, back in February sprint said it would be on september 2012 due to changes in the program.
I *****ed on the chat for an hour because they were resetting my promised upgrade date for another year. Supervisor ended up giving me the credits for a full upgrade as of this month "Because I'm a loyal customer".
I've been with them for 11years with 5 lines and if they didn't budge on the upgrade, I would have jumped ship.
Now I'm tempted to get the SGS2 but I may wait for something better.
I agree with Hrschy. I signed up with Sprint because of their plans and what were initially benefits and now they are changing everything and not in the interest of the customer. Oh and the only housewife in here is the one that pointed it out.
Bravo78 said:
I agree with Hrschy. I signed up with Sprint because of their plans and what were initially benefits and now they are changing everything and not in the interest of the customer. Oh and the only housewife in here is the one that pointed it out.
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I agree
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http://androidheadlines.com/2013/06/htc-one-taking-third-spot-in-smartphone-sales.html
Very exciting news. I sure hope HTC continues this trend because they make great devices and deserve the respect and recognition. I think the HTC One's sales should be on the top but then again I cannot say I am not biased.
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Ok, but to clarify, that's hearsay from US carriers about smartphone sales. Hardly concrete research.
True, but the US sales make a large percentage of the smartphone industry and if that's true, then that's a very good sign.
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Ok, but to clarify, that's hearsay from US carriers about smartphone sales. Hardly concrete research.
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Do people really honestly care about any market outside of the USA? What makes you think the phone won't take third place outside of the USA market?
Third place? That means nothing. The phone has 3 competitors anyway: iPhone 5, Samsung GS4 and Sony Xperia Z. This just means that One only surpassed Xperia Z, which is hardly good news.
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Third place? That means nothing. The phone has 3 competitors anyway: iPhone 5, Samsung GS4 and Sony Xperia Z. This just means that One only surpassed Xperia Z, which is hardly good news.
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The "survey's" pretty light in terms of value. An analyst called a bunch of individual carrier strores and said "hey, what's selling?" The answer could be different in large markets vs. small and in different parts of the U.S. The biggest difference between the One and the SGS4/iPhone is that the latter are available on pretty much every U.S. carrier where the One's only (currently) offered on three. The only numbers that matter are what HTC reports monthly and quarterly in terms of revenue and what their guidance is.
Here's their revenue through May. They've yet to match last year's numbers.
Here's how they did in Q1.
Here's their guidance for Q2. If they make those number they'll be down 28% in revenue compared to last year for the first half of 2013.
I guess this is relevant if you work for htc. I have always used their phones but I've never understood people who relate quality to numbers sold.
It's like the radio market in the us. You couldn't pay me to listen to that over produced garbage they call music. Yet those musicians make the most money. Are they the most creative? Not even close. If you want to own a phone from a juggernaut because sales are so important then buy a Samsung.
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I guess this is relevant if you work for htc. I have always used their phones but I've never understood people who relate quality to numbers sold.
If you want to own a phone from a juggernaut because sales are so important then buy a Samsung.
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I don't really care about that (I don't own HTC stock) but I like HTC phones, I love sense and I would love HTC to be around for me to buy a new HTC phone with sense and I would love to receive uodates on my One for the foreseeable future and for that to happen the One must sell....
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I don't really care about that (I don't own HTC stock) but I like HTC phones, I love sense and I would love HTC to be around for me to buy a new HTC phone with sense and I would love to receive uodates on my One for the foreseeable future and for that to happen the One must sell....
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It is selling. And it is putting pressure on Samsung. How many tech sites rate it above the s4? Quite a few actually.
The tech world is fickle.
Also they have made an incredible amount of stupid mistakes the last two years. That's what I'm talking about. I'm not about to take that on.
But If they continue to build the one brand I believe they will be successful. I don't care how many Samsung fan boys come out of the woodwork and deny it. The One is a premium phone and its good enough to build a loyal following in my opinion.
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Do people really honestly care about any market outside of the USA? What makes you think the phone won't take third place outside of the USA market?
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You're just trolling, right?
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You're just trolling, right?
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I has never trolled in my entire life.
Troll is as troll does.
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Do people really honestly care about any market outside of the USA? What makes you think the phone won't take third place outside of the USA market?
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Which conversation are you guys having? A discussion about "smartphones" or "high-end smartphones?" Because they are different.
Here are smartphone sales projections from 2013-2017. Japan, the UK, and the U.S., three mature markets, show the least amount of growth. Emerging markets are where the opportunity is. In emerging markets low-end smartphones are the vast majority of what's sold. 30% of the smartphones sold in India last year were $100-130; only 2% were over $400. I'm sure China's the same way. Samsung's recent stock fall was caused by analysts reforecasting the market for high-end smartphones downward because of market maturity in places like the US, Japan, and the EU. And the concern isn't sales volume, it's the impact on profit because there's less margin in lower-end devices. Samsung's expected to sell 330MM mobile devices in 2013. Only 60MM (18%) of them are SGS4's. But the SGS4's probably responsible for 1/3 of their profit (WAG). The same thing applies to HTC and other device manufacturers.
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On the subject of emerging markets, HTC's late entry leaves them vulnerable. Just this past quarter Samsung became the largest selling manufacturer in China.
As well as Samsung and Apple, HTC faces pressure from the Chinese giants Huawei and ZTE, which are both ramping up their plans to become major consumer brands. Despite this, HTC said it will target the lower end of the market in China. Chief Financial Officer Chang Chia-Lin said HTC, which has tended to rely on developed markets for most of its revenue and in China has focused on mid- to high-end models, was now ready to offer smartphones priced less than 1,999 yuan (about £200/$308) - currently its cheapest phone in China. "We're going to go down, but not below 1,000 (£106/$163) ," he said. "We see there's still room to play" in 1,000 to 2,000 yuan phones. Samsung recently warned that the growth of the smartphone market in the West was slowing down and that it too was looking to the developing world. Apple is meanwhile still rumored to be preparing a lower-cost version of the iPhone for China.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo.../HTC-turns-to-China-as-decline-continues.html
HTC Corp. maintained a 3.1 percent share of the global smartphone market in the first quarter, as its share gains in North America were offset by losses in other regions, according to U.S. brokerage Morgan Stanley. The brokerage firm said HTC's market share rose slightly to 4.2 percent in the quarter in North America from 3.5 percent in the fourth quarter of last year, thanks to the launch of the 5-inch HTC Droid DNA phone, which went on sale in November through U.S. carrier Verizon Wireless. But the company was not able to drive up its global market share, given ongoing share losses in the European, the Middle East and African (EMEA) markets and slow progress in the Asia-Pacific region -- especially in China, Morgan Stanley said in a report dated May 3. The report detailed how HTC's market share in the EMEA markets fell to 3.7 percent from 4.2 percent in the fourth quarter, with market share in the Asia-Pacific region shrinking to 2.7 percent from 3 percent. Meanwhile, the top four Chinese handset makers (Huawei Technologies Co., ZTE Corp., Lenovo Group Ltd. and Coolpad) increased their share to 28 percent in the first quarter, compared with 21 percent in the same period of 2012, at the expense of international brands including Apple Inc., Morgan Stanley analysts said.http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aall/201305050014.aspx
But staying competitive is increasingly difficult as the field has become crowded with competitors, including lower-price Chinese rivals. HTC's global smartphone market share fell to 2.5% in the first quarter of this year from 9.3% in first quarter of 2011, according to market-research firm Gartner.http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323836504578553051806977448.html
“We expect HTC shipments to peak in May, stay at a similar level in June and start to decline in July,” Citigroup Global Markets Inc analyst Kevin Chang (張凱偉) said in a note on Wednesday. Chang’s forecast came after HTC on Tuesday reported its consolidated revenue for last month increased to NT$29 billion (US$969.4 million), up 48.03 percent from April, thanks to better-than-expected sales of its flagship HTC One smartphone. “We estimate that HTC One accounted for around half of HTC’s May sales,” Chang said, adding that the company might have shipped around 1.2 million units of the phone last month, up 100 percent from April. Citigroup originally forecast HTC would ship only 1 million HTC Ones last month before ramping it up further this month. Chang said he revised his shipment forecast upward because HTC’s component yield rate had improved faster than expected, which in turn had enabled it to push some shipments to last month from this month. However, “with One volume peaking and other models still weak, we believe May will be the peak of near-term sales,” he said in the note. HTC may experience a similar scenario as last year, when sales also peaked in May and June, he added. The Taoyuan-based company could also face headwinds from the generally slow market demand in the high-end smartphone segment, according to Citigroup. Chang attributed the slow demand to a combination of saturation in developed markets and demand being delayed to next year as consumers wait for the launch of the big-screen iPhone.http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2013/06/07/2003564143
So the One being "number three" is likely in a lot of mature markets and hopefully will help HTC's profitability. But there's little demand for devices like the One (or SGS4) in emerging markets which isn't going to help their sales. But HTC's lack of penetration and having fewer low to mid-range phones to offer in those markets is going to hurt them overall.
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Troll is as troll does.
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It would take a troll showing his roms and **** to know one huh
TrueYears said:
Do people really honestly care about any market outside of the USA? What makes you think the phone won't take third place outside of the USA market?
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Because Europe is by far the largest smartphone market they do care. But you are just dumb.
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pr0x2 said:
Because Europe is by far the largest smartphone market they do care. But you are just dumb.
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+1. EU is where it's at.
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Because Europe is by far the largest smartphone market they do care.
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I hope for your sake that you know that Europe is not one country but a continent with over 750 million people.
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I hope for your sake that you know that Europe is not one country but a continent with over 750 million people.
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I suspect even in total it would not equal the US or China. Or maybe just barely equal.
EDIT: It is indeed a continent, but most people equate Europe with the EU.
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I hope for your sake that you know that Europe is not one country but a continent with over 750 million people.
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And even with that, it doesn't change a thing as it relates to the stats in the chart you mocked or the one a couple of posts before it. Any European country not shown is because it's not in the top ten in terms of smartphone usage while the ones on the list are the most populated which is how they made the list in the first place. And with so many EU countries with double-digit unemployment I'd bet a shiny new smartphone isn't tops on a lot of people's list this year.
If you add up the countries in the chart by region this is the distribution.
Asia (including India) = 299MM
North America = 245MM
Europe = 111MM
Russia = 19MM
Brazil = 19MM
Cant say Im surprised. Its gonna get much worse if they keep their new Apple-wannabe design.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/26/9402621/samsung-promotion-galaxy-s6-note-5-discount
Samsung is not giving $120 off the price of the Note5. You need to get your facts straight.
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Samsung is not giving $120 off the price of the Note5. You need to get your facts straight.
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Ok. Discount. Is that a better word choice?
http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/26/9402621/samsung-promotion-galaxy-s6-note-5-discount
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Ok. Discount. Is that a better word choice?
http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/26/9402621/samsung-promotion-galaxy-s6-note-5-discount
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No, because it's a potential rebate of future payments due, not a discounted sale price. From Samsung's website:
Buy a Samsung Galaxy S6, Galaxy S6 edge, Galaxy S6 edge+ or Galaxy Note5 on an installment plan or lease and get a rebate of all monthly device payments up to $120 following valid online claim.
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And the thread title and OP are still misleading. You make it sound like this move is being made because the Note5 is an inferior device. I get from your post history that you're quite disappointed with it, but obviously the Note5 is not the focus of this promotion. Samsung timed it with the release of the iPhone 6s and 6s+, and all the devices in the promotion compete directly with the 6s & 6s+. It's much more likely that they're just trying to keep a few people from buying iPhones. It has nothing to do with the Note5's "Apple-wannabe design."
No non-Apple smartphone OEM sold more of a single high-end device than they did last year. Samsung will sell fewer S6/S6+/Note 5's than it did last year. The market's changed and high-end non-Apple smartphones are tanking. Primarily due to the Western markets being saturated and highish-end phones being sold at 1/3 to 1/2 the price of big brand flagships in emerging markets. Flagships help sell lower tier phones like Samsung’s A-series which they're pushing the hell out of. Samsung sold more smartphones in Q2 this year than they did last year. But with selling price and margin down because they make less on lower tier phones they posted declines in revenue and profit. The latter for the year is $5+B. The only other OEM that turned a profit was LG who made $173K (thousand isn't a typo) last quarter. The rest lost hundreds of millions of dollars. This is the new reality and no single flagship is going to change that; for Samsung or anyone else.
Sooo, @BarryH_GEG, are you saying that this has nothing to do with Samsung ditching SD cards and removable batteries while apeing iPhone design language? If not, it must be that the iPhone can open Angry Birds faster
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Samsung got irritated with people saying that Samsung made cheap plasticity build phones. ..lag laden touch wiz and bloated features and gimmicks that no one used. ..those who were loyal to samsung bought them still bit for others who didn't. .that was their reasons
So they said enough. ..if that's what people want. ..well we will give it to them and they did a great job with that. ..
For 1...I am not complaining. ..and they have been slowly changing their design language with the note every year. ..and what they did now with note 5 was an eventual change
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Early buyers always pay more. End of story.
Rebates and discounts are bound to happen. For all companies.
Apple themselves will barely offer promotions like this because they make so much money and have a very loyal fanbase. They don't need to.
However, retailers, carriers and other outlets will have promotions and discounts for iPhone's.
Apple sells two versions of 1 phone (previous models too), they have a much easier time maintaining and controlling things (hardware/software) as opposed to Android or Windows Phone OEM's.
The Note 5 will never sell as much as the iPhone 6s Plus, because there are so many other variants/models at that "phablet" size in the Android market.
While for Apple, the Plus is the ONLY model at that size. Whether that be the 6 or 6s.
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Sooo, @BarryH_GEG, are you saying that this has nothing to do with Samsung ditching SD cards and removable batteries while apeing iPhone design language? If not, it must be that the iPhone can open Angry Birds faster
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Expandable storage and removable batteries aren't even in the top ten features purchasers consider when buying a smartphone. Design is. Does anyone here think a Note 5 that followed Samsung's earlier formula of a peel off plastic back cover and the design that relegates them to would have sold better? If they went that way instead of people *****ing about batteries and storage they'd be *****ing about another in a series of carry over designs.
They needed to do something major and I for one am pleased with the result.
This isnt a deal you can take if your phone is from a AT&T. They also have a $100 Google Play credit for some carries, also not AT&T. I think this is more of a play to get the other carriers sales of the device is all. Its a solid phone. I never thought I would like a Samsung device and I love this phone more than any of the previous HTC or Nexus devices I have had.
What an ignorant post. how is the note 5 anything like the iPhone design? Just because it doesn't have removable back and sdcard?
Obviously you don't need an android device. If you think having no sdcard is the end of the world then you need to go elsewhere. I can find at least 1 easy way to extend my storage to 96gb
I must admit I have a bit of a problem with samsung's desperation. They want to get that Apple recipe for success so bad. Instead of looking at what makes apple so successful and generates such brand loyalty they try to get apple sheep to switch. As if...
Apple is one of the only companies in the world that can make you buy the same thing twice. There's a reason for that. Design language was a step in the right direction. Focusing on getting people away from apple rather than making your own customers experience better is a fail in my opinion. Because while and if they succeed at luring a few clients away from apple, they are losing the same amount if not more to them.
Why don't they take care of the clients they do have? Just thinking out loud guys...
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I must admit I have a bit of a problem with samsung's desperation. They want to get that Apple recipe for success so bad. Instead of looking at what makes apple so successful and generates such brand loyalty they try to get apple sheep to switch. As if...
Apple is one of the only companies in the world that can make you buy the same thing twice. There's a reason for that. Design language was a step in the right direction. Focusing on getting people away from apple rather than making your own customers experience better is a fail in my opinion. Because while and if they succeed at luring a few clients away from apple, they are losing the same amount if not more to them.
Why don't they take care of the clients they do have? Just thinking out loud guys...
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I dont think Apple gain any customer from Samsung at all. If anything its the other way around, it just so happen Samsung is being competing with other Company that also have Android i.e HTC, Miezu, Huawei, LG and One plus. Why would people pay for an 800 device when a 400 device is just as good and have more "options". Apple just so happen to stay at the top because they are a monopoly, they dont release their OS to any other company therefore making them the only company to buy Apple product ,it should be illegal really but hey when you have money you can pay off the judge right? If you combine all Android device in the world, it would substantially killed the Apple phone sales stats.
Apple is a company that will always be second to someone, they lose to Microsoft and now they lose to Google. They only stay afloat by making themselves a monopoly. Blackberry could have save themselves too but they join the android game too late, honestly their CEO should be fire, what an idiot! He obviously dint study the mobile market and just try to release more BB product. Blackberry Market is facing extinction, even if they switch to android, its too little too late, but I digress.
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Why don't they take care of the clients they do have? Just thinking out loud guys...
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Because you can't grow with a dwindling number of loyal existing customers. Two cases in point. HTC had larger market share than Samsung in 2011. Through a series of product and marketing missteps on their part teamed with great competition their customer base began to dwindle. The M7/8/9 are highly regarded phones and have won critical acclaim. Each sold fewer units than the last. All that's left of HTC's customers are a shrinking group of loyalists. Net result is HTC is on its death bed. Saab is another good example. They were the anti-BMW at their peak and sold an enormous amount of cars. Saab owner loyalty was incredible. There just weren't enough of them to keep sales going and, like HTC, a series of product missteps and increased competition sealed their fate.
Existing customer support is critical but not at the expense of responding to changing demographic and market conditions. And that statement is broader than just Samsung's situation.
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Because you can't grow with a dwindling number of loyal existing customers. Two cases in point. HTC had larger market share than Samsung in 2011. Through a series of product and marketing missteps on their part teamed with great competition their customer base began to dwindle. The M7/8/9 are highly regarded phones and have won critical acclaim. Each sold fewer units than the last. All that's left of HTC's customers are a shrinking group of loyalists. Net result is HTC is on its death bed. Saab is another good example. They were the anti-BMW at their peak and sold an enormous amount of cars. Saab owner loyalty was incredible. There just weren't enough of them to keep sales going and, like HTC, a series of product missteps and increased competition sealed their fate.
Existing customer support is critical but not at the expense of responding to changing demographic and market conditions. And that statement is broader than just Samsung's situation.
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Makes sense. From a business perspective you are absolutely right. My comment was coming from an emotional place though. I can't help but feel that samsung should actually listen to people like us. I don't know about you but I've owned every single iteration of the galaxy family s and note since the s2. They almost lost me a few times but I keep coming back. That screen though... Best screen on any phone. Keeps me coming back, Lol.
The hate continues.
I see they are now on ebay for 579. Unbelievable. I paid 200 more for this.
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I see they are now on ebay for 579. Unbelievable. I paid 200 more for this.
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I guess it depends on how you look at it. For $579 you're getting a Singaporean 32GB Note 5 with no warranty and no support available from Samsung U.S. even if you're willing to pay for it. Unlike the past you can't use Odin to run Western (EG: Europe) ROMs because with different model numbers assigned it'll fail in Odin. It won't work with Samsung Pay and may not work with Android Pay depending on what Google's using to validate the device's market applicability.
There's been posts from people with Asian phones complaining about missing features and settings so that's something to consider. Rooting will fix it for those inclined and with no warranty anyway that's an option. But with root you loose multimedia features (EG: AllShare) unless root cloaks can help get it back. You're also relying on Monoprice (the eBay seller) to satisfy you if there's out-of-box issues like screen imperfections or less than perfect build quality. I'd imagine if any follow-on support was needed upon receipt of the device you're looking at a bunch of back-and-forth and out of pocket expense for return shipment plus the time that'll take. Certainly not support like you'd get from a carrier who has an invested interest in you beyond just selling you a device.
I don't know what carrier you're with but I'm on AT&T's Next 18 which allows me to get a new phone every year. The forgiven balance from my Note 4 was $400. So I overpaid getting it originally at $800ish but actually paid $400ish with the forgiveness factored in. The caveat being $400 high-end phones every year only works if I continue with AT&T.
So I guess whether or not $579 is a good deal depends on how you look at what you're getting and what you're giving up as well. Especially taking the comparative net of any benefit from carrier subsidy/financing programs in to account. Like so many things discussed here value is a big YMMV.
P.S. - My Note 12 is Singaporean and I've owned about a half-dozen grey market devices. So I know the drill.
Am on att, and very happy with the device! Best device I have ever owned.
And it's quite interesting to look over the threads and see how few complaints, if any, there are about this device. Everything works. No issues.
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I guess it depends on how you look at it. For $579 you're getting a Singaporean 32GB Note 5 with no warranty and no support available from Samsung U.S. even if you're willing to pay for it. Unlike the past you can't use Odin to run Western (EG: Europe) ROMs because with different model numbers assigned it'll fail in Odin. It won't work with Samsung Pay and may not work with Android Pay depending on what Google's using to validate the device's market applicability.
There's been posts from people with Asian phones complaining about missing features and settings so that's something to consider. Rooting will fix it for those inclined and with no warranty anyway that's an option. But with root you loose multimedia features (EG: AllShare) unless root cloaks can help get it back. You're also relying on Monoprice (the eBay seller) to satisfy you if there's out-of-box issues like screen imperfections or less than perfect build quality. I'd imagine if any follow-on support was needed upon receipt of the device you're looking at a bunch of back-and-forth and out of pocket expense for return shipment plus the time that'll take. Certainly not support like you'd get from a carrier who has an invested interest in you beyond just selling you a device.
I don't know what carrier you're with but I'm on AT&T's Next 18 which allows me to get a new phone every year. The forgiven balance from my Note 4 was $400. So I overpaid getting it originally at $800ish but actually paid $400ish with the forgiveness factored in. The caveat being $400 high-end phones every year only works if I continue with AT&T.
So I guess whether or not $579 is a good deal depends on how you look at what you're getting and what you're giving up as well. Especially taking the comparative net of any benefit from carrier subsidy/financing programs in to account. Like so many things discussed here value is a big YMMV.
P.S. - My Note 12 is Singaporean and I've owned about a half-dozen grey market devices. So I know the drill.
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Yup, pros and cons to owning each.
Here's my take:
Personally, I don't see it as that big of a risk. I've never received a device that was malfunctioning or broken in any way. If so, in most cases, the seller has to give you a replacement or refund. As as warranty goes, in a worse come to worse scenario, I can always get it fixed at a local repair shop. Plenty of those around now a days. Me personally, I have a friend who operates one in Philadelphia.
Android Pay is installed and works fine.
I'm not sure about any missing features or settings, haven't come across anything I'm missing aside from carrier bloatware.
Purchasing a phone at $580 is a great deal, in my opinion. I paid $750 by the way only a few weeks ago for mine. Think about it like this, you said you're paying around $400 every year on AT&T Next. Just to upgrade to a newer phone. If you buy that model you referenced above for $580, after a year you could easily sell it for at least $400 (judging by what I got for my Note 4 after one year). So in the end you only paid $180 to upgrade to the latest and greatest.
AT&T, in my opinion, is known for ripping you off on Next upgrades. You end up paying more (total) than you would on T-Mobile or Verizon.
My experience so far with the international model has been excellent. Super fast speeds on AT&T, no carrier bloatware or control over updates. Beautiful gold color, which stands out in a see of black and white phones. No dependence on a carrier known for late updates or anything else.
I called Samsung inquiring about Samsung Pay on this phone. They said once it rolls out to Singapore. It should be able to work in any participating country. That being said, the list of participating U.S. banks is minimal at the moment so it doesn't really interest me anymore.
After my call with their support specialist, I really thought about Samsung Pay, mobile payments as a whole right now in America. With the transition to chip and pay in this country, mobile payment systems from Apple, Samsung and others in the early stages. It didn't make sense for me to wait. I'm going to update my phone again in a year or maybe earlier. So I'd rather wait until mobile payments is more broadly supported.
I rooted my phone immediately after that call. Lol. In the end, I think mobile payments still have another year+ more to go before they're really any good and useful enough to replace my wallet.
After rooting, my phone is even better than before! So much more I can customize and do. My phone feels quicker, battery life seems better and much more. Granted I just rooted recently, so I want to test it more. Aside from T-Mobile, that's something the U.S. carrier Note 5's can never do.
As you said in your post "YMMV". I think this 100% true. Everyone's miles vary. For me the international gold Note 5 rooted is the best Note 5 for me personally.
Just my two cents.