I am COMPLETELY fed up with SPRINT and their HORRIBLE customer Service.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVED my rooted EVO, but it broke.. I was forced to get an Insurance phone, and i Lost my root. The ONLINE Sprint REP told me he would waive my $100 fee, But when i went into a brick and mortar Sprint store, The rep told me that no REP would ever say that, They have never done that and never will waive an insurance fee and that he has NO way of checking that. I told him that the online rep told me that he will post it on my account so that and REP could see it and he said that basically i'm lying and that never happened. So i was sent the insurance phone, i had it for 48 hours and the screen died. I could still turn the phone on, it would still ring and i could still answer by knowing where to touch from memory, but the screen was just black. I took it in, they argued to that i would need to pay anotehr $100 for a new phone for an hour before giving me what they said was a 'brand new' EVO.. Well i've had it for 2 days.. I put in on the charger for 8 hours yesterday, took it off and 45 minutes later my phone was dead. I put it back on the charger last night.. When i woke up this morning, it wont charge or turn on. and they're telling me yet again, I would need to pay another $100 to get a new phone. This is absurd and ridiculous and I HATE SPRINT AND THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE!
Anyway, I'm going to leave sprint, So if you could have ANY PHONE, from ANY Network
Which phone would you choose? I HATE slide out keyboards, so one of those is not an option.
The Samsung Galaxy S II looks like the perfect phone, but it has a Keyboard
The HTC Thunderbolt i have heard alot of problems about, but I also Like it alot?
What is the current Best phone with the BEST SPECS, and also, Are their any phones coming out in the next month or two that are worth waiting for?
Personally I really like the HTC EVO 4G, but I'm biased since this is in the EVO section.
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You don't have to pay the $100 again if the phone came defective, the insurance offers a warranty to all phones I believe is 1 or 3 months. The only way you would have to pay the $100 again is if you broke the replacement or lost it.
Also when you get your new phone try to calibrate the battery, Charge and discharge around 3 times so you break it in.
As for the best phone, you won't find your answer here since most of us including myself are biased towards the evo.
Are you still biased towards the EVO even though you cannot root it? Would you rather not have an HTC Inspire that's indentical to the EVO but can be rooted? Or an HTC Thunderburd? or even an HTC EVO 3D? How can you say you'd rather have an unrooted EVO over any of those phones? I'm asking for the BEST phone available, the EVO has been out over a year, there are plenty of better phones that have came out.. Sure i loved my ROOTED EVO too, but not my unrooted EVO, and the EVO WAS THE BEST when it first came out, but there are numerous phones that beat it's specs and have updated sense now, so it's no longer THE BEST, catch my drift?
Id stay with Sprint you cant beat there Rates ..and unlimited data
Rates don't matter if you can't get a working phone, or a phone that allows you to do what you want.. I've been running MIUI for months, so to go back to SENSE make me feel like my insurance replacement was a downgrade.. Why pay for insurance if you can't be given the same phone that you purcahsed, I didn't purcahse a 2.3 Gingerbread EVO i purchased a 2.2 FROYO EVO that allowed me complete customization, not a 2.3 EVO that is locked boring a bland and i cannot customize whatsoever, and to give me 2 EVO's within 1 week that break is bull****, Plus the insurance one came with a screen cover, and when i had to get it repalced, the store REFUSED to give me another screen cover for the new phone, just refused! What bull****, they probably have 1000s of them, mark it down as making the customer happy for gods sake, why would you be that cheap an upset a customer after all the hassle he's had to go through.. Ridiculous, No store should ever treat customers like that if they expect to keep them.
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Are you still biased towards the EVO even though you cannot root it? Would you rather not have an HTC Inspire that's indentical to the EVO but can be rooted? Or an HTC Thunderburd? or even an HTC EVO 3D? How can you say you'd rather have an unrooted EVO over any of those phones? I'm asking for the BEST phone available, the EVO has been out over a year, there are plenty of better phones that have came out.. Sure i loved my ROOTED EVO too, but not my unrooted EVO, and the EVO WAS THE BEST when it first came out, but there are numerous phones that beat it's specs and have updated sense now, so it's no longer THE BEST, catch my drift?
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Then leave, the evo can do 99% of the things other phones on the market do. Sure there are dual core phones but that's all just hype since there are a few apps optimized for them.
If you just plain hate the evo because of root, the only phone I would suggest is the 3d since the motorola photon is locked and the Nexus has radio problems.
Just remember that when you switch carriers...
You will pay more.
You won't have unlimited data.(I rather be stock forever without root before having a data cap or having my speeds throttled.)
Also to compare, my friends t-mobile G2 had a screen issue, do you know what t-mobile did? they told him its htc's problem not theirs so he had to ship the phone and stay without service for a week.
Even without TEP, the local sprint store I go to services phones that are under the 1 year warranty and sometimes they even replace them without charging a dime.
It's not plain hate for the EVO it's the fact that i've had 3 EVO's in 1 week, and apparently they just keep giving me faulty refurbished phones at my local sprint store, and all the reps on the floor are extremely unknowledable, the one rep didn't even know what froyo was.. I said i asked for a 2.2 Froyo, and he said that phone must be on another network because we dont sell a phone called a froyo. I absolutely loved my EVO which i purchased back in February, LOVED IT! But it stopped being able to receive text messages, and a week later stopped being able to charge which forced me to get a replacement, and now i'll be going back for a 4th replacement this week alone. It's rather frustrating that I've gotten 3 new phones and each time i have to re-download all my apps, i have to re-set up all my accounts and spend hours upon hours setting everything back up, and then 24 hours it's broken, I dont have a phone all day, and i have to make yet another trip to a Sprint Store that has HORRIBLE Service.
And on top of it, I have NO 4G in my area, Youngstown, OH -- I had Verizon for over 10 years and never ever dropped calls.. Now i drop multiple calls a day, I hardly ever have service anywhere i go.. My download speeds are atrocious.. I max out at around 50kb/s downloads -- and that's IF I EVEN get internet service. I'm just fed up with all the trips to sprint, multiple defective phones and the horrible support i've received. I obviously Don't want to have to go buy a new phone, pay more for service, and pay an early cancellation fee unless i was EXTREMELY fed up.. Just getting ridiculous now, I cannot afford to not have a phone for over a week with my job. To wake up this morning and find that my phone wont turn was the last straw.. 3 phones in 1 week is insane.
In my ever so humble opinion, the best phone you could get right now is the iPhone 4. A lot of people will grumble about how it's a walled garden environment and you can't mess around with the OS much (Jailbreaking will only get you so far), but if you're looking for a solid out-of-the-box experience, you would be hard-pressed to find something better.
If you were to go this route, Verizon and AT&T are pretty much equal as far as I can tell, although I hated AT&T's customer service (which is why I am with Sprint now). I loved my iPhone, though, and had great coverage everywhere except at my house. If you're not a heavy data user then the unlimited data really doesn't mean that much; I never went over 5GB on my iPhone, and I used the hell out of that thing.
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It's not plain hate for the EVO it's the fact that i've had 3 EVO's in 1 week, and apparently they just keep giving me faulty refurbished phones at my local sprint store, and all the reps on the floor are extremely unknowledable, the one rep didn't even know what froyo was.. I said i asked for a 2.2 Froyo, and he said that phone must be on another network because we dont sell a phone called a froyo.
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Maybe you just need a different local Sprint store
I hear the Thunderbolt is nice
Why don't you try the T-Mob Sensation?
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In my ever so humble opinion, the best phone you could get right now is the iPhone 4. A lot of people will grumble about how it's a walled garden environment and you can't mess around with the OS much (Jailbreaking will only get you so far), but if you're looking for a solid out-of-the-box experience, you would be hard-pressed to find something better.
If you were to go this route, Verizon and AT&T are pretty much equal as far as I can tell, although I hated AT&T's customer service (which is why I am with Sprint now). I loved my iPhone, though, and had great coverage everywhere except at my house. If you're not a heavy data user then the unlimited data really doesn't mean that much; I never went over 5GB on my iPhone, and I used the hell out of that thing.
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get ooooooutta here with that bull. The Evo right now is still one of the best phones out there, even though the specs aren't quite on par with some of the newest phones (dual core blah blah blah), you're not gonna find much better. Basically Sprint Evo=Verizon Thunderbolt=AT&T Inspire and i don't know about other carriers. The Galaxy S II is going to be top of the line when it is released, and the only one with a physical keyboard is the AT&T model, so if you don't want sprint, you should go with verizon for that (due out sometime this month). I recently sampled all of the newest android devices from every carrier, and i personally don't think any of the motorola's come even close to matching up with the HTC and Samsung. Samsungs screens are amazing and so are their cameras, but touchwiz is god awful. I'm a huge HTC Sense fan, so i take preference to any HTC phone. The thunderbolt i have heard not too great things about. If i had to pick a phone on a carrier other than sprint, i think i would say the Incredible 2 on verizon or the Galaxy S II on verizon. AT&T service is not too great, but the inspire is really nice, and if you can handle a 4.5 inch screen, the samsung infuse isn't awful. So back to the iPhone fanboy, iPhone 4 will be obsolete within 3 months, when the iPhone 5 comes out, and the iPhone 5 will still not be on par with the new android devices. Apple puts out 1 phone a year from 1 manufacturer, and then sues because they can't keep up with the android phones that are constantly being improved. iPhone=Apple App store and that is it. If all you want is the apps from apples store, go ahead and get an iPhone but if you really want a truly customizable, top-of-the-line phone experience, you'd be an idiot to go with anything but android
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In my ever so humble opinion, the best phone you could get right now is the iPhone 4. A lot of people will grumble about how it's a walled garden environment and you can't mess around with the OS much (Jailbreaking will only get you so far), but if you're looking for a solid out-of-the-box experience, you would be hard-pressed to find something better.
If you were to go this route, Verizon and AT&T are pretty much equal as far as I can tell, although I hated AT&T's customer service (which is why I am with Sprint now). I loved my iPhone, though, and had great coverage everywhere except at my house. If you're not a heavy data user then the unlimited data really doesn't mean that much; I never went over 5GB on my iPhone, and I used the hell out of that thing.
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I'm gonna have to agree with MaxCarnage. It looks like you want an out of the box experience with no hassles. Apple will provide you with all of that for the time being.
As far as rates, You're going to be paying a lot for this service through At&t or Verizon, but it's better than being phoneless.
Also, I would suggest you find a new local store, some stores aren't REAL stores. Go to your nearest corporate store.
Also, anytime you have a conversation with an online rep, your conversation is saved and emailed to you. I don't understand how you couldn't just produce that document to the rep. So, I wouldn't bash on Sprint until you've exhausted all the appropriate options. Also, sprint would most likely reimburse you for the money you spent and the trouble you've had with them.
So far, my experience with Sprint has been great.
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get ooooooutta here with that bull. The Evo right now is still one of the best phones out there, even though the specs aren't quite on par with some of the newest phones (dual core blah blah blah), you're not gonna find much better. Basically Sprint Evo=Verizon Thunderbolt=AT&T Inspire and i don't know about other carriers. The Galaxy S II is going to be top of the line when it is released, and the only one with a physical keyboard is the AT&T model, so if you don't want sprint, you should go with verizon for that (due out sometime this month). I recently sampled all of the newest android devices from every carrier, and i personally don't think any of the motorola's come even close to matching up with the HTC and Samsung. Samsungs screens are amazing and so are their cameras, but touchwiz is god awful. I'm a huge HTC Sense fan, so i take preference to any HTC phone. The thunderbolt i have heard not too great things about. If i had to pick a phone on a carrier other than sprint, i think i would say the Incredible 2 on verizon or the Galaxy S II on verizon. AT&T service is not too great, but the inspire is really nice, and if you can handle a 4.5 inch screen, the samsung infuse isn't awful. So back to the iPhone fanboy, iPhone 4 will be obsolete within 3 months, when the iPhone 5 comes out, and the iPhone 5 will still not be on par with the new android devices. Apple puts out 1 phone a year from 1 manufacturer, and then sues because they can't keep up with the android phones that are constantly being improved. iPhone=Apple App store and that is it. If all you want is the apps from apples store, go ahead and get an iPhone but if you really want a truly customizable, top-of-the-line phone experience, you'd be an idiot to go with anything but android
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get ooooooutta here with that bull [...] So back to the iPhone fanboy, iPhone 4 will be obsolete within 3 months, when the iPhone 5 comes out, and the iPhone 5 will still not be on par with the new android devices. Apple puts out 1 phone a year from 1 manufacturer, and then sues because they can't keep up with the android phones that are constantly being improved. iPhone=Apple App store and that is it. If all you want is the apps from apples store, go ahead and get an iPhone but if you really want a truly customizable, top-of-the-line phone experience, you'd be an idiot to go with anything but android
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Call it bull if you want; I was sharing my opinion. Calling me names/insulting me doesn't bolster your arguments.
Yes a new iPhone is coming out. How you can say that it won't be on par with new Android devices I'm not sure; you must have some secret sources that have fed you the specs for the as-yet announced Apple device. Either that or your psychic.
It's true that Android phones are constantly being released and often with marginal improvements, but what this has created is a fractured environment where apps only work on small groups of phones and other phones are left in the dust. You can't even be sure that your Android phone will get the next OS update when you buy it. Android's hectic release cycle has made fragmentation a serious issue rather than just a buzzword for Apple "fanboys".
When you buy an iPhone you have a pretty good idea that it will be the premier iOS device for at least a year. Apple has been very good at backwards compatibility, so you can easily get two years out of an iPhone with all the latest software updates and features. No Android phone can offer that today.
There are pros and cons to the iPhone and iOS, but what it really comes down to is what you as a user are looking for. The iPhone is a reliable device that provides an exceptional experience as long as you don't want to mess around with the behind-the-scenes pieces of your phone. To say that anyone would be "an idiot" for going with the iPhone is clearly biased and wants to play elitist. I have had both kinds of phones, currently have an Android phone, and I can tell you that if you want to leave Sprint you would not go wrong by seriously considering an iPhone.
You should be an optimistprime, not a negatron. =P
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I'm gonna have to agree with MaxCarnage. It looks like you want an out of the box experience with no hassles. Apple will provide you with all of that for the time being.
As far as rates, You're going to be paying a lot for this service through At&t or Verizon, but it's better than being phoneless.
Also, I would suggest you find a new local store, some stores aren't REAL stores. Go to your nearest corporate store.
Also, anytime you have a conversation with an online rep, your conversation is saved and emailed to you. I don't understand how you couldn't just produce that document to the rep. So, I wouldn't bash on Sprint until you've exhausted all the appropriate options. Also, sprint would most likely reimburse you for the money you spent and the trouble you've had with them.
So far, my experience with Sprint has been great.
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They dont reimburse you with cash or anything besidea crediting your account
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MaxCarnage said:
Call it bull if you want; I was sharing my opinion. Calling me names/insulting me don't bolster your arguments.
Yes a new iPhone is coming out. How you can say that it won't be on par with new Android devices I'm not sure; you must have some secret sources that have fed you the specs for the as-yet announced Apple device. Either that or your psychic.
It's true that Android phones are constantly being released and often with marginal improvements, but what this has created is a fractured environment where apps only work on small groups of phones and other phones are left in the dust. You can't even be sure that your Android phone will get the next OS update when you buy it. Android's hectic release cycle has made fragmentation a serious issue rather than just a buzzword for Apple "fanboys".
When you buy an iPhone you have a pretty good idea that it will be the premier iOS device for at least a year. Apple has been very good at backwards compatibility, so you can easily get two years out of an iPhone with all the latest software updates and features. No Android phone can offer that today.
There are pros and cons to the iPhone and iOS, but what it really comes down to is what you as a user are looking for. The iPhone is a reliable device that provides an exceptional experience as long as you don't want to mess around with the behind-the-scenes pieces of your phone. To say that anyone would be "an idiot" for going with the iPhone is clearly biased and wants to play elitist. I have had both kinds of phones, currently have an Android phone, and I can tell you that if you want to leave Sprint you would not go wrong by seriously considering an iPhone.
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The Evo has been out for over a year, and is still on par with the newly released phones, and has the most recent software. You can root it any put any software you like on it, so there goes the two years argument because i guarantee next june the Evo will still be able to run the most recent updates and features, whether through official releases or custom ROMs (which btw you can't run on iOS).
There is absolutely nothing that an iPhone can do that any of the newer (and by newer i mean within a year or so, evo included) android phones cannot. Nothing at all. Look at it the other way, and it's a different story. Custom ROMs, kernels, launchers, widgets, 4G, video chatting over 3G/4G, hardware options: physical keyboards, various screen sizes and phone shapes, features like 8 megapixel cameras, 1080p video recording, 3D video recording, kickstands, battery upgrades, fingerprint scanners, there is just so much more that android has to offer.
If you want to get sucked into apple's mind controlling dictatorship, be my guest, but an educated consumer would research the options and find that while the iPhone does have a lot to offer, android has much, much more, and if you don't want the same generic smartphone experience that comes with every iPhone, then there is just no comparison.
Also to consolidate phone recommendations from before, if you want a phone that is almost the same as the evo but a different carrier, AT&T HTC Inspire. If you want something a little bit smaller but newer and not on AT&T, Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 2. And if you want the newest technology, but no physical keyboard, Verizon Samsung Galaxy S II.
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On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"
When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.
I was extremely excited about this Galaxy Tab, but in reality, the price is kind of a dealbreaker, and as far as I can tell, there is no wi-fi only version. I am not paying for another device on the network.
But as far as why T-mobile doesn't step up: it is just like mmalott says. Contracts have so many intricacies, so many things that have to get ironed out.
But for what it's worth, you don't know that they won't make it available for T-mobile yet. Maybe Samsung will go to all 4 carriers with it, you never know. We'll have to wait and see.
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On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"
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I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.
The price is way to high for what is. For that price I can get a small fully functioning laptop that folds into a touch tablet.
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I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.
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I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.
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So true...
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When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.
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that. plus there's the fcc approvals needed for each band/network it supports.
I've seen websites saying Verizon is getting it to, it's not unlikely that they are just releasing on all the carriers like they have with the Galaxy S series. They aren't even out of here yet are they? Didn't this happen before with the Galaxy S series, one company said we are getting it then the others followed?
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I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.
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My man/girl where on earth did you get the notion that I was Sprint fan? I have been with Tmo for 7+ years and would not even think about switching services!!! My original point being is why doesn't Tmo "make a play" for things such as the Tablet or even a good , better, best smartphone, even if we do not get them?
Granted given the response by "mmalot" looking at it that way I completely see why Tmo has taken the path it has.
I am happy with Tmo no doubt but I just wish their aggressiveness would equate to a better selection of phone choices, granted the Vibrant which I love is no slouch even with it shortcomings is still a great phone in its own rights.
Regarding a phone such as the G2 which has not come out yet I am sure it will be a worthy opponent I am NOT bashing Tmo I am suggesting that they become slightly more aggressive.
Make sure you have a valid point or even comprehend the statement that is in front of you before you go "bumping your gums" and comment such as you have done.
And in closing I do not have a problem with Tmo as I stated have been a loyal customer for 7+ years (when they were voicestream wireless)and will remain a customer but I like everyone else am entitled to their opinion and I will exercise it at will "heygrl", so please do not try and come at me like I am coming from left field, it was a "freedom of speech" moment.
I do know that a lot of the times the carriers have to bid on the phones/devices that they get. Depending on the manufacturer/device. Would you rather have a g2, mytouch hd, and possibly 2-3 other big devices by the end of the year, or would you rather have a galaxy S that is a little bit larger, without the Super amoled? Do remember that T-Mobile is dropping a ton of funds on rocking out the HSPA+ across the country super fast, and they're the 4th largest carrier. They have to choose a lot more carefully about where to invest then the others.
If someone has a vibrant now, the g2 wil be irrelevant by the time they have to upgrade again. Should not be releasing phones so fast, imo.
Also I may etf my contact and move off android because the fragmentation and slow updates/buggy devices are unbearable.
Almost regret not staying on at&t and getting am iphone. This is ridiculous.
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Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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AT&T doesn't release an iPhone every year? T-Mobile releases 2 high-end devices within a few months and suddenly they need to slow down... according to other people they need MORE.. just stfu already.
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Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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If you like locked down fancy looking feature phones and a barely working network then ATT is for you, and they'll gladly take your money, enjoy you iPhone 4, we don't care, it's your money
At the end of the day the real reason we're all with tmobile (don't lie) is because of their great plans/ pricing and awesome customer service. If that wasn't the case we'd be all on verizon. I think their approach with the vibrant/g2/faster network this year will play out very well for them.
I hate when people get offended if you tell your opinion about a company. Heygrl the way you reacted on the last page was childish. Grow up, I dont understand why people pledge loyalty to a company then act like blinded fanboys if you tell the truth about them.
T-Mobile obviously needs to step up. Whether they get this tablet or not isn't a dealbreaker for me. Especially if there is no wifi only version. However they need more phones, more high end state of the art phones. Verizon and Sprint are rumored to release 1.5 Ghz phones this year, they are not slouching. The G2's hardware will be completely obsolete by 2011, it will be a new generation of hardware. People seem to think this phone is the best ever because of HSPA+. What happens when you never reach those plateaus of speed and the first dual-core devices drop this year? Gonna feel buyers remorse huh.
It's also rumored that Samsung is working on the Galaxy S2 phone with a 2Ghz processor, 4gb of rom, 1gb ram, super amoled2 and 340ppi. Now THAT'S a revolution, but you ignorant fanboys would never see that because your devoted loyalty to a company makes you think the G2 will be the best phone ever. Such a joke...
HTC has a conference in a week or so, you think their best announcement will be the G2? Come on now. They are working on 1.5-2ghz phones, new battery and screen tech, and dual core devices.
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Even though I don't always agree with Tmobile's business sense I do like their more conservative nature. I don't need 3-5 phones with 2ghz cpus and the latest greatest iPhone at the cost dealing with the stereotypical corporate giant. All I ask for is at least 1 -2 comparable smartphones (MyTouch Slide & Vibrant delivered beautifully), good customer service, and keep your hands out of my pockets. I think T-Mobile has done an outstanding job at doing this. Dealing with Tmo has been a personal experience as compared to dealing with AT&T which was the usual your-the-little-guy thing.
Tmo has left me in wonder plenty of times. Where I live just got 3g but they were trying to sell me a 3G phone prior to that? Why are you guys selling the MyTouch Slide for only $20 less then the Vibrant? Am I missing something there? You guys are rolling out 4G!? But... there's plenty of places that don't even have coverage, EDGE, or 3G yet? Just some of the things that make me scratch my head sometimes but in the end, AT&T and Verizon don't leave me with the satisfaction that T-Mobile does.
Personally I don't want or need 20 smartphones to choose from. Too many problems for the network, the consumer, and the manufactures which will leave more often then not unhappy under the quantity over quality method of thinking.
At the end of the day its your choice based on your experiences and opinion. And this is a forum where people voice experiences and opinion. Just wish people could be more civilized about it so that others can hear/read them without the annoying gibberish.
I guess the real reason that people are so upset with T-mobile is because T-mobile was the first with an android phone and the first with the Google Nexus One phone, and they have lost that crown.
After Sprint got the HTC Hero, T-mobile wasn't the only android carrier anymore, and when Verizon got the Droid, they decided to buy up 95% of the high-end android smart-phones for the next 1.5 years.
AT&T rode iPhone popularity to the top. T-mobile failed to do this with Android. Looking at Android growth & popularity, locking up a few high end exclusives over the next 2-3 years could have propelled T-mobile into 3rd place in terms of subscribers. If I were to guess, then I would say that this is the reason why the CEO got the boot.
T-mobile is not doing that bad...what they aren't doing is beating out the competition with any of their handsets. Everything they release is done bigger or better by another carrier.
Its not as exciting as a 4G release, or a heavily marketed branded line of android phones like Verizon does... but clear away the smoke and mirrors and you'll have to admit that T-mobile is probably tied for 2nd at best (with Sprint), or at worst 3rd overall on android handsets.
The only thing they are missing is a 4.3" high end device to be the definitive 2nd place android carrier.
As for being #1... it won't ever happen. Verizon has 3x the subscribers and charges 20% more for service. They have the cash to burn to stay on top in terms of handset selection.... which they pretty much have to because iPhone lovers will never leave AT&T until the handset is available elsewhere
For my Sprint 30 day guarantee. Tomorrow is the last day I can return my Evo and walk away without a termination fee. Im coming from Tmobile and have used just about all their phones and all iphones, and the Evo holds its own. I love the screen size, and its build quality. But the main thing ive liked is the 3g coverage, its no where near as fast as Tmobile in my area, but i do alot of highway driving and get 1mb plus everywhere. With Tmobile once i started getting away from the city it would drop to edge. I guess ill go play with tmobiles new Mytouch 4g and make my decision there. I just sold the g2 i had which i hated, but I still own my Vibrant and iphone 4 so i could always go back.
But so far what I Like:
Screen size!!!!!
Build quality!
Dual Flash
3g Coverage
Development support.
What I dont like:
Super amoled looks wayy better.
3g is slower but still fine (Evo= 1mb+ to Vibrant=5mb downloads)
Graphics Suck. Live wallpaper slows it down, and 3d gaming is barely playable
Sprints Customer service is no where near as good as Tmobiles.
Oh yeah after a talk with sprints retention departmnet, They waived my actication fee, and provided me with a credit of $50 since I mentioned the Evo could be acquired online for $150, just in order to keep my service. And right at the end when I mentioned I would continue to think about it, the rep offered me a $10 credit every month for the rest of the contract (24months). This would kick in on my next billing cycle.
My 27% discount would also kick in next bill, making my total bill $50 plus tax which is still a little more than if id return to tmobile
Kinda hard to argue with those discounts, not a bad deal right there.
But I can't understand how you like AMOLED screens more, YUCK! They always look odd to me, too blue or too vibrant and kind of pixel-y? They are more readable in some situations but still I think they look awful.
Not gonna lie... i really like the new myTouch. I am a fan of sense... also, hspa+ rocks in my area, and gsm is easier on battery than cdma. Add to that our wimax radios... lol, still love my evo though...
Is say they earned your business, man that makes me think I need to complain more..lol
The ten dollars off every month would more then compensate for the cost of the phone its self.
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After having the Evo I just dont see how i can ever own anything smaller than a 4.3in screen. Ill more than likely stick with The evo untill sprint or another carrier releases a highend 4.3in that isnt lock down. I do love the phone, just wished it could handle graphics better.
With the discounts im getting and the coolness of the Evo ill probably stick to Sprint for now unless the mytouch4g blows me away, which at 3.8in I dont think it will.
Now the Nexus S/2 could be interesting.
I was happy getting a 23% discount from --removed by mod--
I am also of the opinion that you have way too much time on your hands. For someone who is trying to drive their price down to nothing, you sure have a lot of the more recent phones, that you clearly could have sold to make up for any cost of having a phone in general.
While I am also a former T-mo customer, I gave them my money for 10 years, but honestly I don't think they are offering the best phones this year. As for plans, everyone I know can't touch my 4G speeds. As for customer service, I think Sprint has done a pretty good job with you.
If your just here to get attention, then I'd recommend moving on to the (Insert Next Best Phone Name) forum. The EVO on Sprint 4G clearly is the winner. If you don't have 4G then I can understand your dilemma, but still I highly doubt that you have a T-mo Talk/Text/Data for less than $50. Hell, its probably not less than $70 if your including insurance on your phones.
Good luck.
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I was happy getting a 23% discount from --removed--.
I am also of the opinion that you have way too much time on your hands. For someone who is trying to drive their price down to nothing, you sure have a lot of the more recent phones, that you clearly could have sold to make up for any cost of having a phone in general.
While I am also a former T-mo customer, I gave them my money for 10 years, but honestly I don't think they are offering the best phones this year. As for plans, everyone I know can't touch my 4G speeds. As for customer service, I think Sprint has done a pretty good job with you.
If your just here to get attention, then I'd recommend moving on to the (Insert Next Best Phone Name) forum. The EVO on Sprint 4G clearly is the winner. If you don't have 4G then I can understand your dilemma, but still I highly doubt that you have a T-mo Talk/Text/Data for less than $50. Hell, its probably not less than $70 if your including insurance on your phones.
Good luck.
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First off, nothing wrong with having all the latest and greatest phones out, it's by far the best way to find out which phone you personally like best. If I could afford it I'd do it too.
Second, evo is hardly the winner. All phones have their downfalls and can be considered better than others in their own right.
My nexus can be considered better than your evo for a number of reasons.
1. Google owns android. Nexus is google's baby. It is also a developers phone.when android releases froyo, gingerbread, etc. who is the first to get it? Me. Have fun waiting months for yours to update, or for some samsung owners, possibly never.
2. I'm hitting 60 fps, enjoy your 30 fps. You may have a bigger screen but can't fully enjoy it. Playing 3d games on the evo is atrocious.
3. Sprints 4g service had been highly touted this I know. But recent testing done by cnet, which I consider highly reliable and non bias; shows in NY sprints 4g getting 2-3mb whereas tmobiles hspa+ getting 5-6mb and it's not even considered true 4g lol but it doubled sprints. Now of course mileage will very.
Don't get me wrong, evo is a great phone. it's like having a portable theater in your pocket. It took me about three weeks of intense research comparing top phones on all carriers to reach a decision. I was hesitant to get the nexus considering how old it is, released in january. But it still using the same processor as many off the newer phones including evo, the 1ghz snapdragon. Yes your chip has been updated but mines still faster lol. And I like using a developer phone and getting updates before anyone else. Some may consider updates not that big of deal but froyo increased browser speed up to 30%, not something I'd want to wait months for to enjoy.
Oh and I have to say I love the trackball. Comes in handy for selecting text or other tight spots while browsing. I can also have it blink different colors: red for missed text, blue for missed call, green for voicemail, orange for email, purple for low battery, works for notifications as well.
It's nice having all this information without even turning on my phone.
This is officially by far the longest thing I've typed out on my nexus, got to love swype lol.
The nexus one is outdated. No matter what you say. Gingerbread is rumored to come out Nov 11 and its main feature is an integtrated video chat app. Nexi don't have a front facing camera. So right there goggles baby will be handicapped with that feature. I love the nexus a year ago when it came out but data speeds aren't nothing to brag about especially if its a matter of seconds. I think the mytouch 4G is ugly, it has to much bezeling on the side. A trackball is not needed when you have a big a$$ screen. And super amoled screens have been known to burn-in the screens. All the features there's no other phone that has what the evo can offer.
Front facing camera
Kickstand
Unlockable
Sense (which is the next best thing to vanilla)
4g capable
Capacitive buttons
Skinny
Sexy looking phone
Your making a rant in the evo section , in perfectly happy with my evo. Of all the phones I've owned this is by the far the best. With features and functionality in account.
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The nexus one is outdated. No matter what you say. Gingerbread is rumored to come out Nov 11 and its main feature is an integtrated video chat app. Nexi don't have a front facing camera. So right there goggles baby will be handicapped with that feature. I love the nexus a year ago when it came out but data speeds aren't nothing to brag about especially if its a matter of seconds. I think the mytouch 4G is ugly, it has to much bezeling on the side. A trackball is not needed when you have a big a$$ screen. And super amoled screens have been known to burn-in the screens. All the features there's no other phone that has what the evo can offer.
Front facing camera
Kickstand
Unlockable
Sense (which is the next best thing to vanilla)
4g capable
Capacitive buttons
Skinny
Sexy looking phone
Your making a rant in the evo section , in perfectly happy with my evo. Of all the phones I've owned this is by the far the best. With features and functionality in account.
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Calm down no need to get your panties in a bunch. Only one ranting is yourself.
Yes the nexus has been out since jan that's already been stated. Thanks for that bit of info. But it still has the same processor as the evo, though an older version. Yet it is still overclocked much faster than your evo.
Front facing camera, unlockable (lol did you really list that?), htc sense (lol? Anyone can flash that), 4g, skinny (hardly, compared to other smart phones it's quiet bulky, hence the pocket theater)... All these features can be found on many phones...front facing camera is over rated I can do without. How many video calls have you made in the past month?
Trackball great for alerts I don't even have to turn on my phone to get notifications.
With that being said, I'm glad you are happy with your evo, enjoy
I actually use the front facing camera a lot. I chat with other evo and iPhone 4 users. Given the ratio its pretty thin. And what's wrong with using the same processor. You want a better processor then go to Samsung galaxy s series. Good luck with the gps on there tho. Humming bird processor blows everyone out of the water. When I mean unlockable I mean the boot loader is not on lock down. And not everyone phone can flash sense, DX or D2 can't. Which are the newer phones comparable to the evo. You were seriously contemplating leaving Sprint to go with t-mobile cause of data speeds in a restricted area. Kinda of ironic cause the only thing that you sound to be proud of on the nexus is the processor speed. Processor speed don't mean **** if you don't got 3G or WiFi connection. Edge sucks on tmo and ill take Sprints 3G even tho I have the same processor as your sexi Nexi.
Scoobasteves: Evo is just as fps unlocked as nexus, that's old news.
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I was happy getting a 23% discount from --evil site removed by mod --
I am also of the opinion that you have way too much time on your hands. For someone who is trying to drive their price down to nothing, you sure have a lot of the more recent phones, that you clearly could have sold to make up for any cost of having a phone in general.
While I am also a former T-mo customer, I gave them my money for 10 years, but honestly I don't think they are offering the best phones this year. As for plans, everyone I know can't touch my 4G speeds. As for customer service, I think Sprint has done a pretty good job with you.
If your just here to get attention, then I'd recommend moving on to the (Insert Next Best Phone Name) forum. The EVO on Sprint 4G clearly is the winner. If you don't have 4G then I can understand your dilemma, but still I highly doubt that you have a T-mo Talk/Text/Data for less than $50. Hell, its probably not less than $70 if your including insurance on your phones.
Good luck.
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Are you in a bad mood man? Geez.
First I never tried driving their price down, I called about possibly porting my number and what the process is. The rep was the one asking questions and was being cool about wanting me to stay. So he offered me a discount.
And yes it's cheaper for me to go back to tmobile even with my 27% sprint discount. We have had a family plan with tmobile for 8 years, so adding my line back would only be $5 and an additional $30 for Internet.
Maybe I do have to much time in my hands, but I've never complained about prices or tried to brag about my phone being the best. I understand there are always new phones coming out and thankfully I have had the ability to try out a lot of them. I just like phones and the evo is among the best I have liked, but far from being a clear cut winner. I'm not one of those guys that think my phone is the best in the world and out down every other phone, i like to try out a lot of different phones if I'm able to, and enjoy it.
I guess I'll just enjoy my Evo and it's awesome screen size.
T-Mobile is a dying company I think, they gotta step up their game. They have lost 25% of revenue compared to last year.
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T-Mobile is a dying company I think, they gotta step up their game. They have lost 25% of revenue compared to last year.
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Could be dying, maybe sprint will be dying too but if they keep releasing bad ass phones they should be fine
2 year xda member and finally... reached my 100th post
Yeah I love the Evo probably one of the best phones I have used. I hear people complain that t-mo coverage is not that good in my area so that would be reason alone for me to stick with Sprint.
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Calm down no need to get your panties in a bunch. Only one ranting is yourself.
Yes the nexus has been out since jan that's already been stated. Thanks for that bit of info. But it still has the same processor as the evo, though an older version. Yet it is still overclocked much faster than your evo.
Front facing camera, unlockable (lol did you really list that?), htc sense (lol? Anyone can flash that), 4g, skinny (hardly, compared to other smart phones it's quiet bulky, hence the pocket theater)... All these features can be found on many phones...front facing camera is over rated I can do without. How many video calls have you made in the past month?
Trackball great for alerts I don't even have to turn on my phone to get notifications.
With that being said, I'm glad you are happy with your evo, enjoy
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Evo isn't restricted to 30fps anymore either
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Could be dying, maybe sprint will be dying too but if they keep releasing bad ass phones they should be fine
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Never, they have free mobile to mobile any company, unlimited web and text for great price, sprint rocks
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I was not trying to badger the OP. As a matter of fact I am a former T-mo customer and was very happy with it.
Is the reason your plan a T-mo is cheaper because you are on a family plan there and not a family plan at Sprint? If thats the case then its apples to oranges.
To the Nexus Guy. It was a very good phone and I was seriously considering it when it finally became available on a plan rate. But that didn't happen till AFTER the Evo came out. I was on the phone with T-mo monthly to find out when that would happen. They could never give me an answer. So I took the plunge and got the EVO and never looked back.
T-mo's HSPA in my area is garbage. Seven guys I work (in Tampa) with have the Galaxy, and all of them claim 2-4Mbps. I get regularly 6.5Mbps. It may get better, but it isn't right now.
Processor? Seriously dude? if thats all you got with the Nexus, then you need to sit down. Developers phone? Seriously? Ever heard of Root? Oh yeah... all of T-mo's new phones are getting lock down. FPS? Spend more time on XDA preeze. Sprint unlocked it about 2 months ago. XDA did it even longer.
Nexus is a beautiful thing. But I am sorry, it is inferior to the EVO in about every possible way.
http://m.examiner.com/exSanFrancisco/pm_75809/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=WzckuLg6
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I can accept that story or some other form it. I mean, it is out in Europe and has been for some time. And they have been dropping new phones with 2.2 for a while now. Why wouldn't these A-holes release it in the States. Can't imagine they have been testing the firmware for the past 7 months.
I have the epic and our update got delayed too. I knew it had something to do some bs like this but why would they delay the epic update because it already has sprint 4g in it. They could be upgrading their wimax to lte or coming out with the bidder screen model with the super amoled plus screen and they will launch that with froyo and leave ours in the dust. I guess we will find out on the 3rd of feb at sprints special event
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I thought maybe Samsung was going to just skip 2.2 and release a 2.3 update because Samsung is already running 2.3 on their Nexus S.
I was actually going to buy an Epic tomorrow.
But, if this article is true, I am going to "devalue" Samsung and not buy their product.
[email protected] them if they are making existing customers suffer because of their greed.
Honestly, this is probably true. I know this sucks, but companies like this value their earnings more than their customers. Those of us who have been eagerly awaiting Froyo are in the minority, and they know that most of the people who own these devices couldn't care less about it.
This will probably be the last Samsung phone that I will ever buy, I'd rather give my money to a company which values their customers and provides customers with timely information regarding updates and the like.
This reminds me of the initial warnings about previous samsung devices and the lack of updates when the epic first came out. Although this is the best sprint phone I have owned to date I still wonder if I should have taken those warnings a little more seriously!
Yes I heard complaints in the past about Samsung's poor phone support but I still got the Epic. Mostly because my old phone (HTC Touch) died and it was going to cost $100 for a replacement (thanks lame Sprint insurance). So I just decided to get a new phone and compared to the Evo, the Epic seemed like the much better option. After experiencing Samsung's greed and lack of support for their existing products, I'm going back to HTC next go round.
Let's kill!
Agree. This most likely would've been the last Samsung phone I bought. This pretty much seals the deal.
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For my next phone I'm going to do exactly what I did with this phone. Find out what the best phone is.. check the phones out.. and go with the one that is the best. Right now, even after the Evo 4G Shift was released, the Epic and other Galaxy S phones are still the best phone. I have friends with the Evo, Droid X, MyTouch.. and I can safely say that I have the best phone. Those phones have 2.2, but I wouldn't THINK about switching to them. Do I want 2.2? Of course. I have it now thanks to custom roms but of course it kinda aggravates me that there is no official release of 2.2 yet. But that is ok. If I had a choice between a laptop with a Intel i3 running Windows 7 and a Intel i7 running Windows Vista (or even XP), I would take the i7.
In my opinion, company tactics will forever aggravate us users. Throwing around other company names like HTC as the company that will be this "knight in shining armor" will only dissappoint you in the future. I have had 3 HTC phones previously and without a doubt, I can say that they are definitely not beyond screwing their customers over. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is right, but I'm saying that it is not uncommon. The day that these companies become non-profit organizations is the day you will see them put customers first.. I'm not holding my breath.
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For my next phone I'm going to do exactly what I did with this phone. Find out what the best phone is.. check the phones out.. and go with the one that is the best. Right now, even after the Evo 4G Shift was released, the Epic and other Galaxy S phones are still the best phone. I have friends with the Evo, Droid X, MyTouch.. and I can safely say that I have the best phone. Those phones have 2.2, but I wouldn't THINK about switching to them. Do I want 2.2? Of course. I have it now thanks to custom roms but of course it kinda aggravates me that there is no official release of 2.2 yet. But that is ok. If I had a choice between a laptop with a Intel i3 running Windows 7 and a Intel i7 running Windows Vista (or even XP), I would take the i7.
In my opinion, company tactics will forever aggravate us users. Throwing around other company names like HTC as the company that will be this "knight in shining armor" will only dissappoint you in the future. I have had 3 HTC phones previously and without a doubt, I can say that they are definitely not beyond screwing their customers over. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is right, but I'm saying that it is not uncommon. The day that these companies become non-profit organizations is the day you will see them put customers first.. I'm not holding my breath.
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I couldn't have said this better. I had debated typing this up earlier but you beat me to it. Great minds think alike
JD
As Lee Corso would say, 'not so fast my friend.' Before I scooped my Epic, I had the HTC Touch (the original way old Vogue) and the ppc6700 (the silver brick) before that. I never had any issues with software other than crappy windows mobile but when it came to updates and/or support, I was happy. Hardware was on point as well. Samsung Galaxy has been a major disappointment for me having owner various Samsung products and knowing that their hardware is excellent. Still think the Epic is terrific. Just disappointed at all the troubles that customers have experienced across the entire Galaxy lineup.
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I couldn't have said this better. I had debated typing this up earlier but you beat me to it. Great minds think alike
JD
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This page has more detailed information on the T-Mobile leaked rumor:
...Trust me when I tell you, we had an update for the original G1, and HTC begged us not to. In 75% of the cases known to me in my [time] here and my [time] dealing with Android I will say that honestly most upgrade hold offs were the Manufacturer and NOT us as some believe. But we catch the flack.
I am tired. [redacted] I am up to here with Samsung. They pulled the same thing with the Behold 2 that I MYSELF had to clean up and caught wind over. The update to 2.1 update 1 is existant...
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If true, this shows how completely and utterly out of touch Samsung's executives are with reality.
First of all, the whole theory that a 2.2-Vibrant(non-4G) would "devalue" the 4G. EVEN IF the only difference between the old and new Vibrant were the front camera and 4G, how many users likely to notice or care about whether or not the current Vibrant has 2.2 would *honestly* choose to buy the old model instead of the new one, even if it were a $50 difference between the two? People who buy $50 phones or wait months to get an old model on closeout for "free" with 2-year contract aren't the people who buy phones like the Epic, Vibrant, and the rest of the Galaxy S family. People in "our" category might ******* about a $50 difference... but we'll pay it anyway, because we know that if we don't, we'll be miserable and regret it daily for the next year or two.
Ditto, for customers who already own a Vibrant. In the entire United f***ing States, there *might* be 10,000 Vibrant owners who'll dump one and buy a Vibrant4G at full retail just to get 4G and/or the front camera. And I'll bet that a hefty subset of that group are T-Mobile employees whose "full" cost (after employee discount) is roughly what the rest of us would pay for a subsidized phone with contract, anyway. Now, having satisfied that group... how many more existing Vibrant customers do they REALLY think they're going to get by withholding 2.2 from owners of older Vibrants? Especially considering the abundance of custom ROMs.
The rationale becomes even more absurd when you consider the case of withholding 2.2 from Epic4G owners. I'm sure if you combed America hard enough, you might find a few Epic4G owners who'd dump it, pay the ETF to Sprint, switch to T-Mobile, and buy a Vibrant4G... but scratch a bit deeper, and I'd bet a major body part that the overwhelming majority of THAT group consists of users who probably wanted to switch anyway, and the existence of the Vibrant4G was more of an enabling excuse and rationale than an actual *reason*.
Companies like Samsung just don't seem to "get it". Consumers might chuck a $25 mp3 player to buy a newer, cooler one in 4 months. Statistically NOBODY chucks an expensive pocket computer whose marginal replacement cost exceeds $400 for an incremental improvement 4-6 months down the line. The closest ANY phone has probably come to motivating early switching was the Evo, and that was basically because the Evo was roughly twice as good as the Hero in almost every meaningful way, and worse in basically none. Users MIGHT be induced to switch early for 10x faster data, twice the cpu speed, 50% more resolution on a screen nearly twice the size, and a lot more ram. Users are NOT going to casually switch because one has 2.2 and one is officially stuck at 2.1... they're just going to root, reflash, and promise their deity of choice that they'll never buy another Samsung phone again.
If anything, T-Mobile is the biggest loser, because if true, this means that Samsung is effectively doing its best to devalue T-Mobile's inventory of existing unsold Vibrants. Now, if T-Mobile charges $10/month more for 4G service, that might merit trying harder to induce otherwise-indifferent new purchasers to go with the 4G model instead of the old model... but if it's the same price per month for service, it's to T-Mobile's own advantage to all but encourage new customers who are indifferent between the two to go with the old one... it's one less phone for T-Mobile to write off as a loss and send to a spare parts warehouse to gather dust until it ends up in a landfill or gets dumped on a new penny-pinching customer who only cares that it's "free" with 2-year contract, and one fewer customer who'll start abusing youtube as a source of free in-car music on demand (soaking up lots of bandwidth in the process).
This is the kind of logic that leaves me wondering how some big corporations can even stay in business. I worked for one a couple of years ago where we were ordered to *immediately* dispose of a hundred or so old laptops -- at a cost of $250 apiece -- instead of keeping them piled on a few shelves in a storage room in case we came up with a good use for them someday (like using them as thin clients for call center operators... something we had, in fact, done before). The executive rationale? The accountants complained that they were "costing" us $5,000/month to store based on the square-foot value of the space they were taking up in the closet, and somebody's wet dream fantasies about the value of that space. The thing is, we were about ~15 employees in a warehouse-like facility almost a square city block in size that was 95% empty (built during the dotcom boom, then the company was stuck with it due to a glut of similar buildings nearby). So, we burned $25,000 in the name of emptying off a 4x6 foot steel shelving unit, basically to humor the delusional fantasies of a faceless borg more concerned with a checklist item than getting actual work done and bringing in revenue. Madness. Pure, faceless, bureaucratically-driven out of control insanity.
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For my next phone I'm going to do exactly what I did with this phone. Find out what the best phone is.. check the phones out.. and go with the one that is the best. Right now, even after the Evo 4G Shift was released, the Epic and other Galaxy S phones are still the best phone. I have friends with the Evo, Droid X, MyTouch.. and I can safely say that I have the best phone. Those phones have 2.2, but I wouldn't THINK about switching to them. Do I want 2.2? Of course. I have it now thanks to custom roms but of course it kinda aggravates me that there is no official release of 2.2 yet. But that is ok. If I had a choice between a laptop with a Intel i3 running Windows 7 and a Intel i7 running Windows Vista (or even XP), I would take the i7.
In my opinion, company tactics will forever aggravate us users. Throwing around other company names like HTC as the company that will be this "knight in shining armor" will only dissappoint you in the future. I have had 3 HTC phones previously and without a doubt, I can say that they are definitely not beyond screwing their customers over. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is right, but I'm saying that it is not uncommon. The day that these companies become non-profit organizations is the day you will see them put customers first.. I'm not holding my breath.
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I agree with you and I really love my Epic BUT.... I can't help wondering how much better the phone would be with the upgrade.
Also Im sure this has been posted but this is an interesting read rating carriers and manufacturers on their upgrade rate.
looks to be true. This is on the front page of yahoo news.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/216716/samsung_blocking_ota_update_on_tmobile.html
Also made it to Slashdot!
http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/01/13/2334213/Is-Samsung-Blocking-Updates-To-Froyo
And PC World:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/216716/samsung_blocking_ota_update_on_tmobile.html
I have a feeling some people at Samsung are having a very bad day indeed.
Nexus S reboot problem:
Google Nexus S, google's second handset is in the limelight for wrong reasons this time. Looks like, the nexus S handsets are randomly rebooting atleast once every 48 hours, usually during a voice call! Google has officially confirmed this bug in their support forum. All the handsets that has been updated to the latest version of gingerbread (Android 2.3.1/GRH78) are affected by this bug.
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User's post from Slashdot story:
The real reason they are stonewalling on the 2.2 update for Vibrant is this: When they released the 2.2 update for the Vibrant in Canada, the update worked fine for a week or two, and then like clockwork bricked a huge percentage of the phones that updated. And when I say bricked, I'm not being liberal with that word, after a week or so running the Samsung 2.2 update, the SD card would become corrupt, and recovery mode would be unable to format it. My wife and I both have Vibrants, and it happened to them both one day apart. Samsung has been silent on the matter. Not surprising they'd avoid moving sending the 2.2 update out to US Vibrant owners, and also not surprising that they're refusing to explain why. Bell at least is fixing them, but lots of people on the XDA forum are saying their "repaired" phones are bricking again in short order.
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Samsung's official response to CNET's query about the rumor:
Samsung Mobile does not comment on rumors or speculation. With regard to the Froyo update, we recently issued the following statement: "Samsung feels it is important to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available only after we feel that we can give the millions of U.S. Galaxy S owners a simple and reliable upgrade experience. Due to the complexity and unique functionality of each Galaxy S device, we are performing additional testing and are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all U.S. Galaxy S owners, including the Samsung Vibrant, as soon as possible.
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Just to add to this conversation --> Just got off a chat with Sprint and I kept asking them about Froyo for the Epic. Everytime I mentioned it, the Sprint rep would direct me to Samsung and it's their fault. I think they got mad that I kept asking and pushing the subject, that they said they could no longer help me on the chat and gave me Samsung's number to call.
Looking at Samsung's facebook account, there a bunch of people complaining about this issue. Hopefully all this pressure will make Samsung cave in. *crosses fingers*
I call bull****.
Having come from the Crackberry world, this sort of stuff happens all the time. A supposed "reliable source" will leak some sort of story, the fringe enthusiast sites get wind of it and generates chatter and it eventually gets picked up by a naive journalist with a lazy editor and it gets put up as "legit" news which then causes a feedback loop which causes the internet to explore.
The example that comes to mind is the OS 4.7.0.113 update for the Blackberry Storm 9530 on Verizon, a leaked OS that "reliable sources" claimed was going to be the next official update but wasn't. It made it to PC World as well:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/163056/blackberry_storm_to_get_firmware_update.html
And it was 100% bull****. So I wouldn't give this rumor much credence.
The explanation of not wanting to take the wind out of the sails of the Vibrant 4G is irrelevant to other Galaxy S models where there is no similar Osbourne effect - such as with the Epic 4G.
My guess is that the actual explanation is much more mundane. Given the problem with Froyo bricking Vibrants, I would bet dollars to donuts that Samsung got super gunshy and their slow approach to Froyo updates to smaller markets is nothing more than a widespread, low-risk beta test to make sure their code is up to snuff before risking releasing an unstable update to the larger, litigious American Galaxy S userbases.
http://www.phonedog.com/2011/06/08/sprint-iphone-currently-undergoing-advanced-testing/
We've heard a couple of rumblings in the past month or so suggesting that a Sprint iPhone may be on the horizon, and tonight the mythical device is back in the news. According to unnamed sources speaking with 9to5Mac, a version of the iPhone similar to the iPhone 4, possibly the iPhone 4S, is currently being testing by both Apple and Sprint. The tipsters claim that Apple ordered Sprint cell towers for their campus in late 2010 in order to test the device, which is similar to the process Apple went through while prepping the Verizon iPhone. The device that's currently in testing is said to be 3G-only, although it's said that talks of producing a 4G Sprint iPhone are underway. However, those negotiations may cause the device to be pushed to late next year, meaning that if we see a Sprint iPhone this year, it likely will not be 4G-enabled.
A separate report from Talk Android reiterates one analyst's claim that the iPhone 4S will be made available to both Sprint and T-Mobile. The site claims that AT&T/Verizon and Sprint/T-Mobile will alternate getting a new iPhone each year, with AT&T/Verizon getting first dibs on the iPhone 5. Additionally, it's said that if and when the Sprint iPhone does arrive, its users will need to pay $89.99 per month for a data plan rather than the $69.99 Everything Data plan that Sprint currently offers. In the same report, Talk Android claims that Sprint is planning to begin using an LTE network, a rumor that has surfaced several times in the past.
Rumors about a possible Sprint iPhone have been around for some time, but they've been getting a tad more frequent and more detailed as of late. The possibility of such a device existing does seem a bit more plausible since the arrival of the Verizon iPhone, and it could make sense for Apple to make a Sprint iPhone available in order to bring even more iOS users into the fold. That said, all of this information is still firmly in the rumor category for the time being, so it'd probably be wise to keep a grain or two of salt nearby. What do you all make of the latest round of Sprint iPhone scuttlebutt? Is the iPhone nearing release on the Now Network?
90 bucks ugh no thank you. If I want an iPhone ill just flash miui LOL.
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It will have to be a iphone9 to compete with the samsung sg2 releasing in july and the sg3 in the near future not to mention what the other manufactures have coming. If ICS is implemented in the 4th quarter/1st quarter 2012 to most phones and tabs to cure fragmentation Apple will be a pimple on Androids ass
Not to mention phonedog is so far up apple ass its hard to tell where one starts and the other one ends...just more of apples propaganda to brainwash the isheep
hah what both you said was very true=)
so are you guys going to get the 10.1 tab?
$90 a month? Are you freaking serious? No thanks... But if it is any consolation, I do think Sprint will be getting the iPhone in the near future.
I have trouble paying for my current bill haha. Can't even imagine paying more........
The galaxy tab is pretty 'meh' on my view. Limited/proprietary ports are the biggest thing holding me back from being interested in it. The 'Thrive' tablet that was shown at E3 lately was appealing, and then I found this:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/08/exclusive-dells-prototype-7-inch-tablet-touts-slide-out-split/
For me, a physical keyboard is a requirement (one reason I got the epic over the evo and others). Seeing a keyboard built into a tablet is awesome - it can be used when needed but doesn't require a battery draining weight adding bluetooth keyboard/case combo to pull it off. I've always been of the opinion that to add a keyboard in that fashion you've effectively made yourself a dumbed down laptop with a cell modem inside. That built-in slider keyboard is sexy though because it's out of the way when you can get by with touch-screen keyboard, but convenient and useable when needed for physical typing (when the virtual keyboard's screen real-estate useage is a pain in the ass).
I can't wait to see this tablet down the road.
More for less don't think so. The iphone lol what a joke the epic blows the iphone away. And with the evo3d and sgs2 coming soon why would anyone be intrested in an iphone. 3g at that. But hey that's just ppl on here. The uneducated masses who cant get enough of apple because its an iphone will proboblly still be intrested in this and raise sprints customer base so potentially a good move for sprint. But I wish sprint would turn away apple. And use all its energy too focus on android
Yup cant wait to place it along side my wifes ipad. Shes a 1st grade teacher and the school gave it to her and she thinks its a POS. Next school year theyre going to dump Apple and try Google Cromebooks and link the district through the cloud.
castro I hope your the 1st person on the planet to get the ota of gingerbread because the EC05 thread you started was truly epic
Best thread ever lol lol lol lol lol lol
what i think..................
android=freedom apple=ummmmm yeah
booooooo
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I have trouble paying for my current bill haha. Can't even imagine paying more........
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not to mention who would take the how to reins if you defect
(pwr button vol down camera button till the bottom back light keys light up)
haha iam a A$$ but you all laughed admit it
no harm just humor
I read an article on Engadget yesterday about how T-mo is planning to roll out LTE in 2013 but that they also have lost just under a million customers in the last quarter. About 50% of the comments were people saying how much they love T-Mo, the other T-Mo haters explaining why they left or are leaving. One of the most common complaints I read was "lack of a decent phone line-up". Many pointed to Verizon as having the best Android line up, quality devices, best service, coverage blah blah blah. After reading this I realized something. The more devices a carrier releases in a short amount of time the quicker the devices become obsolete and left behind. Not just by the OEM and carrier, but the dev community as well. Case in point: A good friend of mine called me earlier in the month and was complaining about the bloatware on his new Droid Bionic. Another friend was complaining about his Droid X not working properly. Both of these friends wanted my help rooting and installing a custom ROM. When I pulled up the development page for both phones I was surprised at how quiet it was and how so few decent ROMS there were available. Eclipse and Liberty looked like the only two decent ones but both had not been updated in quite a while. The Droid X was a very popular phone, why so little support? Then I looked at my Vibrant running ICS Euphoria, remembered all of the ROMS & kernels I had flashed before that, Trigger, T.W. Bionix, Bi-Winning, Bullet, Tiger's Blood, Destroyer of Worlds, Overstock, the list goes on and on! There is still enthusiastic development for the Vibrant which by today's standards should be an obsolete device! Its still chugging along! I picked up the SGS2 on the "free phone day" and was pleasantly surprised to see several of the same people supporting that phone too, like Eugene, Roman, Whitehawkx. Wow!
So maybe a lack of selection is not always a bad thing? There seems to be a genuine "community" around T-Mo and that is a good thing. Just makes me wish more people would learn to root and tap into their phone's full potential instead of complaining and jumping ship because of "poor selection". I know we are in the minority, not many people care to root their devices or even know what that means, too bad they are missing out on a great community!
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I read an article on Engadget yesterday about how T-mo is planning to roll out LTE in 2013 but that they also have lost just under a million customers in the last quarter. About 50% of the comments were people saying how much they love T-Mo, the other T-Mo haters explaining why they left or are leaving. One of the most common complaints I read was "lack of a decent phone line-up". Many pointed to Verizon as having the best Android line up, quality devices, best service, coverage blah blah blah. After reading this I realized something. The more devices a carrier releases in a short amount of time the quicker the devices become obsolete and left behind. Not just by the OEM and carrier, but the dev community as well. Case in point: A good friend of mine called me earlier in the month and was complaining about the bloatware on his new Droid Bionic. Another friend was complaining about his Droid X not working properly. Both of these friends wanted my help rooting and installing a custom ROM. When I pulled up the development page for both phones I was surprised at how quiet it was and how so few decent ROMS there were available. Eclipse and Liberty looked like the only two decent ones but both had not been updated in quite a while. The Droid X was a very popular phone, why so little support? Then I looked at my Vibrant running ICS Euphoria, remembered all of the ROMS & kernels I had flashed before that, Trigger, T.W. Bionix, Bi-Winning, Bullet, Tiger's Blood, Destroyer of Worlds, Overstock, the list goes on and on! There is still enthusiastic development for the Vibrant which by today's standards should be an obsolete device! Its still chugging along! I picked up the SGS2 on the "free phone day" and was pleasantly surprised to see several of the same people supporting that phone too, like Eugene, Roman, Whitehawkx. Wow!
So maybe a lack of selection is not always a bad thing? There seems to be a genuine "community" around T-Mo and that is a good thing. Just makes me wish more people would learn to root and tap into their phone's full potential instead of complaining and jumping ship because of "poor selection". I know we are in the minority, not many people care to root their devices or even know what that means, too bad they are missing out on a great community!
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You know. I agree. I have been looking at the new phones coming out and my fingers are itching to pick something else up. But instead of buying something new I picked up a second and third Vibrant. Mainly because I actually bricked my first one the other day. Got these other two cheap on Craigslist. Put Euphoria on it with KISS 2.2 on it and I actually have working GPS!
Going to send my bricked one into Josh at MobileTechVideos.com and have him jtag it to life again. Then I will have 3 of them. Add some new bezel because the two I got had some issues with them. Install the FFC on it and then sell them on Ebay or something for a small profit.
Well. I just want to THANK our awesome dev community and supporters. You are awesome! Not to mention those old Devs who have left the Vibrant but was a big part of the initial making the Vibrant one of the greatest phones out there.
Hello, I just wanted to say that I just recently bought my 1st smartphone, which is of course the Vibrant. Im really in love with this phone, Im just a little dissapointed that T-Mobile is not really giving support to the phone anymore (after Froyo), but like you said, I'm very happy that a lot of people is still paying attention to the phone, developing stuff.
T-Mo does have a ****ty phone selection. Top tier phones at T-Mo are what? Sensation loaded down with carrier iq, and ridiculously poor battery. And the SGSII, from Samsung, who has proven time and again that support for older phones is not worth their effort, and its just plain too big for the resolution. Sure it has great devs, but they can't add ppi. Not to mention it will never see an official ics release, so no matter how good the devs are, there will always be bugs. I'm about to give up on T-Mo myself...just can't bring myself to accept AT&T as my new overlord yet...
Damn you Swype!
T-mobile lost many customer is mostly younger people who want to go with Iphone 4s. This is why T mobile dont carry Iphone. The only thing I like T mobile is that they have a better price on service rate plan.Rest of the other cell phone provider dont have a better plan than t mobile have. Like I can call long distance any time any day and other provider have time limited are only after 7pm to 10pm. T Mobile do have crappy phone selection right now but their main popular phone is SGS2 they have sell more phone than other cell phone provider sell. T mobile will have a better phone selection there many new phone are coming this year. I bet you there will be alot of good phone by the end of 2012 before christmas they going to sell tons of new phone and good deal to buy.
the only reason im still on TMO is because of the cheap plans they have.
No way in hell would I go to ATT for the same plan but twice the money.
I do think about switching to Verizon or Sprint. Verizon seems to have quality phones, not just quantity of it.
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the only reason im still on TMO is because of the cheap plans they have.
No way in hell would I go to ATT for the same plan but twice the money.
I do think about switching to Verizon or Sprint. Verizon seems to have quality phones, not just quantity of it.
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I'll never own another CDMA phone if I can avoid it. Not to mention the ridiculous prices for Verizon plans, I don't care if they drop the GSX with hyper threading 24 core processor and a 3600mAh battery in a 1mm thick chassis with the Hubble telescope for a camera for $99 on two year contract tomorrow, I wouldn't switch to them. Sprint, maybe, but like I said, I would rather not ever own a cdma phone again.
Sent from my rough sketch of a Vibrant on a brick.