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I am speculating here....
I don't think we will see a preorder of Xoom this weekend and possibly not an actual release next week . The fact that no announcements have been made from Motorola on release is why I think this. If Motorola wanted to get people excited about this, they would have announced something today. That didn't happen.
I think that Motorola/Google/Verizon (yes Google too because this is the flagship tablet release for Honeycomb) are looking at pricing based on the overwhelming outrage at the $800 price point and are trying to do something to make this a huge launch in favor of Honeycomb. This can be many things. But I think the bottom line, $800 for launch will turn into a flop for the first Android approved tablet and that will not look good. The sales from the first real Android Tablet launch will be dismal at this price point. They may also decide to delay launch until the WiFi only tablets are available and/or a decent subsidized price is offered from Verizon.
keitht said:
I am speculating here....
I don't think we will see a preorder of Xoom this weekend and possibly not an actual release next week . The fact that no announcements have been made from Motorola on release is why I think this. If Motorola wanted to get people excited about this, they would have announced something today. That didn't happen.
I think that Motorola/Google/Verizon (yes Google too because this is the flagship tablet release for Honeycomb) are looking at pricing based on the overwhelming outrage at the $800 price point and are trying to do something to make this a huge launch in favor of Honeycomb. This can be many things. But I think the bottom line, $800 for launch will turn into a flop for the first Android approved tablet and that will not look good. The sales from the first real Android Tablet launch will be dismal at this price point. They may also decide to delay launch until the WiFi only tablets are available and/or a decent subsidized price is offered from Verizon.
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Some solid points here. I would further speculate that we will see some sort of Mail in Rebate for 100$. I base this on the rumor that Costco will have the device for 100$ less. The HTC EVO, IIRC, had 200$ subsidy and a 100$ Mail in Rebate which some retailers applied automatically. Though as I say this, I think this won't work as this device, being uncontracted, has no incentives for an in-store instant rebate.
I have been waiting for this device for a while now, and would hate to see it pushed. Your speculation about waiting for a wifi only device could be a good thing though, and at the end of the day I am a team player so I would grit my teeth for that. But only till the end of the month
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Some solid points here. I would further speculate that we will see some sort of Mail in Rebate for 100$. I base this on the rumor that Costco will have the device for 100$ less. The HTC EVO, IIRC, had 200$ subsidy and a 100$ Mail in Rebate which some retailers applied automatically. Though as I say this, I think this won't work as this device, being uncontracted, has no incentives for an in-store instant rebate.
I have been waiting for this device for a while now, and would hate to see it pushed. Your speculation about waiting for a wifi only device could be a good thing though, and at the end of the day I am a team player so I would grit my teeth for that. But only till the end of the month
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I am as anxious as you are trust me, but if you look at the overall picture from a general consumer point of view, $800, most people will walk on by and not even consider purchasing it. Add to that, a mandatory $35 activation fee plus minimum $20 one month data and on top of that, required to even get WiFi to work. With taxes, you will spend almost $900 without even buying an accessory. That is insane! And rumors that you cannot initially use the external microSD card slot for more storage without an update AND wait for a 4G upgrade, which we do not know if that is even OTA, wow, that is quite a bit to swallow.
They're running the ad for it this weekend in the sunday paper..it will be there on thursday
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They're running the ad for it this weekend in the sunday paper..it will be there on thursday
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We will see. But I can tell you that it will be a big flop at the current price point and needed additional costs for activating WiFi (mandatory $35 Verizon activation fee and $20 one month data). If that is true just to use it as a WiFi device, that would be one of the biggest greediest launches I have ever seen.
well the rumored preorder day is sunday which technically is next week. not much of a speculation by my book.
@keitht
Beside that Costco ad (which may be a Costco thing), there isn't anything out there from Verizon or Best Buy that states activation is required. The leaked best buy playbook from a few days ago didnt even say it was required.
The words were "If customer activates..."
Read the exact details of that Best Buy memo... it doesn't say its mandatory.
As for that leaked Best Buy ad from 10 days ago... that said "activative required" or something... plainly either a draft or hoax because of the spelling issues. On top of that, a self titled MOTO tester here on XDA said they skipped activation in testing and WiFI was fine.
I bet a beer that activation isn't required. Sorry, but I call bogus on this.
Anyhow, the price point worked for the iPad. That was $749 for the 32gb 3G and the Xoom is alot more advanced.
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Beside that Costco ad (which may be a Costco thing), there isn't anything out there from Verizon or Best Buy that states activation is required. The leaked best buy playbook from a few days ago didnt even say it was required.
The words were "If customer activates..."
Read the exact details of that Best Buy memo... it doesn't say its mandatory.
As for that leaked Best Buy ad from 10 days ago... that said "activative required" or something... plainly either a draft or hoax because of the spelling issues. On top of that, a self titled MOTO tester here on XDA said they skipped activation in testing and WiFI was fine.
I bet a beer that activation isn't required. Sorry, but I call bogus on this.
Anyhow, the price point worked for the iPad. That was $749 for the 32gb 3G and the Xoom is alot more advanced.
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True... we don't know the facts and that is why I am "speculating". Don't get me wrong here as I am in the crowd who has my money aside for this. I am speaking of the majority and from what I understand, the $750 iPad is not the big seller for Apple. $800 as the only option for the Xoom initially is not going to sell like hotcakes especially for an unproven device. And if there are any added costs, that will make matters worse.
arent you just paying for the xoom when you buy it? Isnt the activation fee and data plan charged to your verizon account? isnt that why you can cancel it within 72 hours because you arent actually charged the until after the 72 hours? i cant remember because its been awhile since i actually bought a phone from a store but i think thats how it goes. anyways i doubt its going to pushed back. moto is just being hush hush. Google doesnt need moto to sell alot just enough and then when more honeycomb tablets come out google gets more products out there. Im more suprised google hasnt released the sdk yet so devs can get ready to make apps in tablet form.
In addition, Apple made a big deal about the launch date for their device. Motorola has not officially announced anything about release. How will people get excited about this release when they do not know when to line up outside the store?
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True... we don't know the facts and that is why I am "speculating". Don't get me wrong here as I am in the crowd who has my money aside for this. I am speaking of the majority and from what I understand, the $750 iPad is not the big seller for Apple. $800 as the only option for the Xoom initially is not going to sell like hotcakes especially for an unproven device. And if there are any added costs, that will make matters worse.
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We're all speculating, I'm just trying to be an advocate against all the negative speculation. All these blog sites post in there headlines the same thing "Xoom + activate required = FAIL". You read the article and its always the same screenshot always the same links....etc...
I'm just trying to keep hope alive, haha... I feel bad for some of the readers here who "refuse" to buy the Xoom because <fill in the blank". I just want to push that it may not be true... its all speculation on media and opinions.
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In addition, Apple made a big deal about the launch date for their device. Motorola has not officially announced anything about release. How will people get excited about this release when they do not know when to line up outside the store?
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if theres one thing moto knows how to do is market and so does verizon. People will hear about it. The thunderbolt and xoom are already in the swimsuit edition of sports illustrated which is the highest selling copy of SI every year. I'm pretty sure it's coming. expect a release date when preorders go live
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if theres one thing moto knows how to do is market and so does verizon. People will hear about it. The thunderbolt and xoom are already in the swimsuit edition of sports illustrated which is the highest selling copy of SI every year. I'm pretty sure it's coming. expect a release date when preorders go live
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Still not feeling warm and fuzzy about the release of something new to compete with iPad at $800+. If $800 is the only option for the next couple months, we will see a lot of negative press for Honeycomb and I don't think that will be good for Google.
Imagine the headlines after 2 months... Only 100,000 Honeycomb tablets sold. Google's entry into the tablet market a complete failure.
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Still not feeling warm and fuzzy about the release of something new to compete with iPad at $800+. If $800 is the only option for the next couple months, we will see a lot of negative press for Honeycomb and I don't think that will be good for Google.
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the pressure will most likely be on moto for selling it that high. Google wont be taking any heat unless there are some big bugs in honeycomb. From what i have learned watching apple, they arent perfect they send patches just like any other company. i dont think moto expects to beat apple outright, they just want to take some of their share of the market. Yea releasing the $800 model by itself doesnt seem right but i doubt wifi xoom is far behind seeing as we saw it pass through the fcc. Its probably better just to watch and see what happens.
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the pressure will most likely be on moto for selling it that high. Google wont be taking any heat unless there are some big bugs in honeycomb. From what i have learned watching apple, they arent perfect they send patches just like any other company. i dont think moto expects to beat apple outright, they just want to take some of their share of the market. Yea releasing the $800 model by itself doesnt seem right but i doubt wifi xoom is far behind seeing as we saw it pass through the fcc. Its probably better just to watch and see what happens.
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I disagree. Google worked very closely with Moto on this as the flagship Honeycomb God of tablets. Just like Nexus phone. You better believe Google is interested in making this a successful launch.
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I disagree. Google worked very closely with Moto on this as the flagship Honeycomb God of tablets. Just like Nexus phone. You better believe Google is interested in making this a successful launch.
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yea i worded that wrong as not taking any heat but the benefit for google is that they dont have to worry about putting all their money on one OEM. If moto doesnt sell many xooms, they can go back to samsung or lg who are next in line. Samsung is one of companies who sold as much or more android phones as moto. Also 3D is a big thing lately so that means LG could see success. There's also the other companies who make more budget-friendly tablets like viewsonic. Google will probably take a small hit if inital xoom sales arent what is expected but they will be far from out of the game. The community is excited about honeycomb so there will be a demand for it. As for the average consumer, they will get to demo the xoom and see if its for them.
At least they got a bunch of hot chicks to attend the Xoom party:
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Well, the bestbuy.com/xoom page has been updated a little.. it used to say 'page requested not found'.. and now it finds a lengthy URL path, but nothing on the page. My guess is they will open the page when the stores open at 10am ET. Everything's a guess though. We'll see in 1 day and 30 minutes. Or at midnight tonight with an 'in-store only' note.
http://www.bestbuy.com/xoom
Xoom Release
I just talked to BestBuy and they said that the official release will be on the 24th for $799. I also asked about the WiFi only version but they didn't have any information on that. Does anyone know if they will be released close to each other?
I have a P6800.
I think it's a great tablet with many technical innovations.
I accept it wouldn't be to everyones taste.
I've worked in electronics in both retail, wholesale and manufacturing for a fair proportion of my working life.
Why haven't Samsung yet worked out that announcing a new product, then making the market wait months and months for shipment, while continuing to announce new products (which also won't ship for months) is undermining their impact in the market.
The new product announcements deter individuals and more importantly retailers (bricks and mortar not virtual) from carrying the product as they'll be concerned they'll either get left with stock or get hit with price drops.
Grey importing from the Far East destroys retailers willingness to carry a product with a RRP of £350 when it's available from Far East drop shippers for around 2/3 of that price.
This scattergun approach to product launches and lack of discipline in global pricing is seriously undermining Samsungs long term success in my opinion, someone somewhere high up in the organisation should really step back and make some hard decisions on strategy.
With so many products to support it takes a disproportionate amount of time to release updates (as we've seen with the P6800 6 months after ICS release) and the customer experience is therefore diminished.
Fanboiism only goes so far, a coherent, global, long term, production and marketing plan is what works in the market.
They also need to work on their pricing - I'd have bought one of these 7.7's long ago if they'd been realistically priced. As they are (in the UK) they're simply overpriced.
In general the Galaxy Tab range is just way too expensive - I know 2 people who bought iPad 3's instead as they were the same price as the 16GB Galaxy Tab 10.1!
You have to differentiate between lower price and diifferent price.
Personally I think the 7.7 is worth every penny and if Samsung did better marketing they could show the differences between the 7.7 and the IPad 3.
Instead they now have 5 different product ranges or 6 if you include the Galaxy Note....
7 Plus
7.7
8.9
10.1
7 v2
These, in theory, come in various memory sizes although I've never seen any memory size of more then 16gb on the 8.9, 7.7 or 7 plus ranges.
The average time between announcement and shipping seems to be 5 months and even today in the UK you cannot buy a UK sourced 7.7 3G as far as I know and it's 8 months since it was announced.
There are rumours of a 11.6? unit coming.
While I understand the desire to have a comprehensive range the reality is that Samsung are spreading themselves too thin and instead of launching 1 product in say 3 sizes they see each version as a totally new product. This means they themselves are confused about the offerings, this is reflected in the lack of marketing 'punch' in their message.
My suggestions for what could help.
1. Stop any new tablet announcements for 12 months.
2. Simplify the product range for an announcement in 12 months.
The range should be....
11.6 with no bezel (so same physical form factor as the current 10.1)
8.9 with no bezel
7 or 7.7
All should have Super Amoled Plus (or anything newer and better that's arrived by then)
The range should be technically identical except for the screen size (the specifics of the offerings would need to be worked out nearer to the launch)
Ship globally the full range within 4 weeks of the announcement, concentrate your marketing spend to this one 'product' in three size 'flavours'.
Sit back and reap the rewards.
In what regards consumer electronics, Samsung is being crushed by its own growth, "ungovernance" and lack of focus.
I've noticed this has been going on since, at least, 2007 year of my first interaction with them on account of the BDP-5000 combo player.
Like many Asian corporate giants, seen from the outside, Samsung seems like either (1) they don't have anyone at the helm or (2) they have too many people allowed at that very same helm, just giving the odd directional input, as they cluelessly seem fit.
When I see a photo of Gee-Sung Choi I don't think "Hey!...So that's the man behind all those incredible devices...".
Instead I think "...So, this is the guy behind that ugly mess..."
GK
(PS: Mine was 479 EUR at Dixons, in the Netherlands...excellent, excellent price)
You can buy a UK sourced 3G 7.7 from Clove Technology. Product code is GT-P6800LSAXEU. Price is an eye watering GBP478.80. When it gets to GBP350 I might get one. Current price is just too expensive for something which will be superseded in 6 months.
Yep!!
I am no marketing expert but even I can say that Samsung are continually missing out on opportunities for more sales, and more to the point getting themselves known. This isn't just the case with the P6800.
I know marketing/advertising is expensive but the rewards they would reap would be huge. Especially with the new budget Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 tablet, there are many people out there hungry for a capable tablet, but don't they want to shell out £500 for a tablet. An advertising campaign would make all the difference.
Look at the Galaxy Note! It took them 3 months to start TV adverts for it here. They really haven't a clue about marketing. Instead they are churning out products left, right and centre. Trying to cover all bases, it's an insane tactic.
The 7.7 is definitely over priced here, over £400 for the Wifi only model is just nuts. I don't own a 7.7 just yet, but I am very tempted. However, I don't have too much faith that ICS is actually coming to the 7.7.. also it's not been a very popular device for developers to play with, we can blame the price tag for that. It kinda feels like that even Samsung aren't really that interested in the 7.7. It's availability in general says something to me... then again Samsung are just a strange company.
Samsung have this frantic idea to push as many new products out the door, their business model is so wrong. They are shooting themselves in the foot.
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You can buy a UK sourced 3G 7.7 from Clove Technology. Product code is GT-P6800LSAXEU. Price is an eye watering GBP478.80. When it gets to GBP350 I might get one. Current price is just too expensive for something which will be superseded in 6 months.
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Yea, Expansys have them too (SAMP680016GBS) at GBP479.99. I agree that GBP350's more realistic, but I'm not holding my breath.
I've just checked and you can pick them up on Amazon.com for USD597 (GBP371). Yet again we pay through the nose in Europe - Amazon.de's selling them for EUR742 (GBP591) and Amazon.fr for EUR683 (GBP544)!
Samsung probably doesn't go by the same metrics and ideas as you. People here often refer to the 7.7 as Samsung's "flagship tablet". It's really not. It's certainly their nicest one, and one that probably is the most difficult to manufacture.
The 10.1 is their "flagship" since that's what's selling and that's the direct competitor to the iPad (or least it used to be). The 7.7 is more of a niche edge thing.
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Samsung probably doesn't go by the same metrics and ideas as you. People here often refer to the 7.7 as Samsung's "flagship tablet". It's really not. It's certainly their nicest one, and one that probably is the most difficult to manufacture.
The 10.1 is their "flagship" since that's what's selling and that's the direct competitor to the iPad (or least it used to be). The 7.7 is more of a niche edge thing.
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The 10.1 isn't selling in the UK or quite a few other parts of Europe.
My point isn't about this tablet or that tablet, it's about Samsungs lack of overall strategy.
Simplistically if you had 1 product in 3 size 'flavours' it allows you to price differentiate accordingly. Especially as the Internet means that your pricing strategy has to be global.
The current RRP pricing in the UK could work (and I know some people here will say it never would) if they concentrated their marketing spend and targetted it effectively, the reality is they're just spread way too thin with too many products and no clear strategy.
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I've just checked and you can pick them up on Amazon.com for USD597 (GBP371). Yet again we pay through the nose in Europe - Amazon.de's selling them for EUR742 (GBP591) and Amazon.fr for EUR683 (GBP544)!
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Here (austria) you can get the 7.7 for 499EUR. Shipping in EU is around 10EUR. Just wanted to state that because it seems to me that everybody thinks you can't get this device at a proper price. (german price is very overwhelmed because the tab 7.7 isn't officially available in germany!)
By the way I don't think the price is a huge problem as you get the device for "free" when signing a contract for mobile internet, and without that the tab is pretty much useless anyways.
Back to topic: I totally agree samsung is carrying a very strange marketing strategy. Also I think the idea of "unifying" the tabs, so that screen size is only technical difference and launch all of them with one big marketing campaign would be alot better and more efficient than just rolling out device after device after device. I can imagine some people don't want to buy a tab because you can be sure 2 or 3 months later the next, better model is announced. I think better support (ie releasing updates in time and for a longer period of time) would be much better than having slightly better hardware every few weeks.
OP actually listed marketing strategies of Apple. Unfortunately Samsung could not, and probably never will follow the very same strategies.
Samsung actually follows the best marketing strategy, only that strategy focuses on profit, rather than customers, like Apple does. That's why you think Samsung made a mess in marketing, from customer's perspective.
Also, price segmentation, wide variety of product line and hidden product roadmap is exactly most vendors do for decades, for profit maximization. Not that I believe these are the best strategies, Apple for one has proven them wrong.
In short Apple's marketing strategies must accompany with market-dominating products, which is a very risky marketing model for most corporations. (I think I should stop at this point, I found discussing marketing in tech forum boring indeed )
九千. said:
OP actually listed marketing strategies of Apple. Unfortunately Samsung could not, and probably never will follow the very same strategies.
Samsung actually follows the best marketing strategy, only that strategy focuses on profit, rather than customers, like Apple does. That's why you think Samsung made a mess in marketing, from customer's perspective.
Also, price segmentation, wide variety of product line and hidden product roadmap is exactly most vendors do for decades, for profit maximization. Not that I believe these are the best strategies, Apple for one has proven them wrong.
In short Apple's marketing strategies must accompany with market-dominating products, which is a very risky marketing model for most corporations. (I think I should stop at this point, I found discussing marketing in tech forum boring indeed )
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Errr...
I didn't quote use the marketing strategies of Apple. Apple have a very different value proposition which is based upon diverse revenue streams.
1. While they make good money on their hardware their tight control of their App and ITunes stores generate them substantial and very profitable secondary revenue streams.
2. They are single product focused (the continued sale of the IPad2 is to run down production lines in my opinion). They only have single products in a segment, albeit with different memory sizes.
3. While they present themselves as a technical leader they are in my opinion a very good marketing operation who package up others technical breakthroughs.
I met Steve Jobs back in about 1979, he was pretty good at pinching other peoples ideas even then.
I disagree with your assessment that Samsung focus on profit, frankly the marketing of their tablets in Europe has been non existent. Unless you're selling a product you're not making profits and allowing such large pricing differentials in markets just encourages grey imports and undermines your message to your stockists.
I know of at least two major UK retailers who carry Samsung tablets but don't carry the full range and don't have presentation units on display, when I asked them why they said "...because we don't know where their focus is...." (my paraphrase).
I'm glad that you are interesting in this boring topic.
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Errr...
I didn't quote use the marketing strategies of Apple. Apple have a very different value proposition which is based upon diverse revenue streams.
1. While they make good money on their hardware their tight control of their App and ITunes stores generate them substantial and very profitable secondary revenue streams.
2. They are single product focused (the continued sale of the IPad2 is to run down production lines in my opinion). They only have single products in a segment, albeit with different memory sizes.
3. While they present themselves as a technical leader they are in my opinion a very good marketing operation who package up others technical breakthroughs.
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Actually I think we were not discussing above three point before. Anyway, I agree with you except point 3, I have problems with Apple in their motives on crushing technological advancement, least honoring them with the title of technical leader.
pinsb said:
I met Steve Jobs back in about 1979, he was pretty good at pinching other peoples ideas even then.
I disagree with your assessment that Samsung focus on profit, frankly the marketing of their tablets in Europe has been non existent. Unless you're selling a product you're not making profits and allowing such large pricing differentials in markets just encourages grey imports and undermines your message to your stockists.
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It depends on regions. As liberal as they seem to be, many EU countries have strict imports restrictions that effectively repel foreign imports. I can't speak for Samsung, but in our case our electronics products have to go through complicated regulations on standards and safety measures, before being allowed to import, with applied period and quantity constraints. Also, EU has their own patent office, on the top of USPTO, which in effect erecting a huge import barrier to all import goods, especially electronics.
Given such a huge barrier, it makes sense for a large corporation cutting back budget in marketing. For example, delay in launching Galaxy Tabs in Germany as a result of on-going litigation causing them to lose the time-to-market, and you wouldn't be surprise when they retreat all the marketing campagin planned.
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I know of at least two major UK retailers who carry Samsung tablets but don't carry the full range and don't have presentation units on display, when I asked them why they said "...because we don't know where their focus is...." (my paraphrase).
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UK has a different story. I cannot detail that without offending British Government or people supporting them. So please let me pass on that. As to the reason why Samsung widely expands the product lines in Galaxy Tab, I think I have explained before. This is not about market-focusing, it is about market-segmentation.
I wish my above points reaching you.
I think Samsung have got the right strategy by offering a choice of different tablet sizes in the same way that laptops are offered in different sizes. A lot of the big laptop players such as Toshiba are now entering the market and offering a choice of 3 or 4 tablet sizes. People have become brain washed by the Apple one size fits all approach.
Crazy prices, and here is me, getting the tab for 499 Swiss Francs
Having seen the Sammie press release about 9m pre sales of SG3 handsets I now understand.......
Sammie see their route to market (In Europe at least) as via Carriers, they aren't really that interested in marketing products except as an adjunct to assist the Carriers sell handsets. As tablets are much more often a stand alone sale it's had no attention.
While I still think the P6800 is a great product I've come to the realisation that Sammie will never give it the attention it should have got, as a result sales will never reach their potential and therefore ROM development will always be restricted.
Hopefully the CM9 situation will accelerate when ICS Colonel Sauces are release, the developers have already done a fantastic job of getting a 90% working build.
Ho Hum.....
To sell the tablet and replace with the new Google (Asus) Nexus (depending on spec) or see what happens.
I'm feeling pretty let down by Sammie right now and to be honest it'll influence my decision about buying Sammie products in the future.
pinsb said:
You have to differentiate between lower price and diifferent price.
Personally I think the 7.7 is worth every penny and if Samsung did better marketing they could show the differences between the 7.7 and the IPad 3.
Instead they now have 5 different product ranges or 6 if you include the Galaxy Note....
7 Plus
7.7
8.9
10.1
7 v2
These, in theory, come in various memory sizes although I've never seen any memory size of more then 16gb on the 8.9, 7.7 or 7 plus ranges.
The average time between announcement and shipping seems to be 5 months and even today in the UK you cannot buy a UK sourced 7.7 3G as far as I know and it's 8 months since it was announced.
There are rumours of a 11.6? unit coming.
While I understand the desire to have a comprehensive range the reality is that Samsung are spreading themselves too thin and instead of launching 1 product in say 3 sizes they see each version as a totally new product. This means they themselves are confused about the offerings, this is reflected in the lack of marketing 'punch' in their message.
My suggestions for what could help.
1. Stop any new tablet announcements for 12 months.
2. Simplify the product range for an announcement in 12 months.
The range should be....
11.6 with no bezel (so same physical form factor as the current 10.1)
8.9 with no bezel
7 or 7.7
All should have Super Amoled Plus (or anything newer and better that's arrived by then)
The range should be technically identical except for the screen size (the specifics of the offerings would need to be worked out nearer to the launch)
Ship globally the full range within 4 weeks of the announcement, concentrate your marketing spend to this one 'product' in three size 'flavours'.
Sit back and reap the rewards.
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They should all have wacom digitizers. That's all I'll add. I dont care if its as much or more than an ipad. I HATE HATE HATE apple.
Samsung already offers a superior product. If they consildated their Note line-up into these specs, included gs3, gave the gTab 7.7 and gs3 wacom digitizers and launched them ALL with ICS at launch, let touchwiz be an opt-in with first FOTA, EVERYONE would be happy.
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Yep!!
I am no marketing expert but even I can say that Samsung are continually missing out on opportunities for more sales, and more to the point getting themselves known. This isn't just the case with the P6800.
I know marketing/advertising is expensive but the rewards they would reap would be huge. Especially with the new budget Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 tablet, there are many people out there hungry for a capable tablet, but don't they want to shell out £500 for a tablet. An advertising campaign would make all the difference.
Look at the Galaxy Note! It took them 3 months to start TV adverts for it here. They really haven't a clue about marketing. Instead they are churning out products left, right and centre. Trying to cover all bases, it's an insane tactic.
The 7.7 is definitely over priced here, over £400 for the Wifi only model is just nuts. I don't own a 7.7 just yet, but I am very tempted. However, I don't have too much faith that ICS is actually coming to the 7.7.. also it's not been a very popular device for developers to play with, we can blame the price tag for that. It kinda feels like that even Samsung aren't really that interested in the 7.7. It's availability in general says something to me... then again Samsung are just a strange company.
Samsung have this frantic idea to push as many new products out the door, their business model is so wrong. They are shooting themselves in the foot.
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Be more than tempted. This is the best device on the market. From what I understand, samsung is having a hard time supplying the screens. The production process is outrageously precise and there are only two factories producing them in the whole world. Those two factories are supplying htc, motorola, and what's the other 7" amoled tablet?
Its US$699 in the states and only offered under Verizon. They took out telephony hardware. So the only way to get the gsm version is through import. I got mine used for US$500 and is in excellent condition.
The sad thing is, in my personal opinion, this technology is the greatest innovation in mark-making since the invention of painting. PM me for more on that one.
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To me it looks a bit like Samsung is using a shotgun blast of models and sizes to look what the public wants.
If it becomes successful enough it gets an followup and else they try something different.
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To me it looks a bit like Samsung is using a shotgun blast of models and sizes to look what the public wants.
If it becomes successful enough it gets an followup and else they try something different.
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What the public want are good quality, speedy, reliable tablets, priced fairly. The first company to deliver on this will make a killing. Simple.
Samsung's trying to compete with Apple, which I now think they are close to in terms of hardware. Where they appear to be going wrong is in their pricing strategy - they are simply pricing themselves out of the market, and as long as their prices remain high they'll lose out on potentially massive sales.
sorry guys but i had to share this and show you how dumb people can be. and will buy anything with an apple on it. sheep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Hey at least they left the dinosaur and finally put 4g on it.. like every other phone in the world... >.> idiots
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Read these posts here... I think it covers everything there is to know about Apple's yet greatest achievement [NOT] lol :laugh: Thanks EViL
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IPhone 5 = identical to every other iPhone with a few new apps. Same size screen, same stupid glass case that's designed to break as soon as u drop it, and isn't covered under warranty. Still no 4g. The only new innovation is throwing some new apps on a device changing the internal specs(barely) slapping a 5 on the end of the name and reselling the iFans the same crap they already own for the upteenth time.
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Samsung holds the patents to 90% of the LTE technology and they haven't been able to come to a licensing agreement with apple, without that agreement the iPhone will never have LTE. And every android device stomps any iPhone hands down we already have screens ranging from 4"-5"+ we have quadcore processors, 2gb ram, expandable storage. Tell me what exactly apple has to compete with Android again oh yeah nothing that's why they keep suing Google and every device manufacturer trying to slow them down and quell the competition, cause they can't keep up. Oh and SIRI? Samsung holds the patent on the technology, and has filed suit to block the import and sales of iPhones and iPads in the US. You know their junk is made in china with slave labor right? If you support apple you support inhumane working conditions for both adults and children who are forced to work in Chinese sweatshops, and a large portion of the workers are political prisoners, even the children who are deemed regime dissidents because of their parents political beliefs and are then used as slave labor in factories and work camps. And they charge ridiculous amounts of money for products that cost them less than $50 per device to have manufactured and that includes the parts and labor :thumbdown: apple is a complete fail, and I would never support a company like that financially or otherwise. Sorry I'd use a 1992 Zach Morris brick phone before I'd ever use and iPhone. You couldn't pay me all the money in the world to be caught dead with their junk.
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The glass case isn't covered under warranty when you drop it and shatter the case. And iPhone may not even be sold in the US its already been pulled from shelves in south Korea and the jury is returning verdict on US injunction today. And no as of now apple has no license to use LTE radios, Samsung hasn't been able to come to an arrangement with them and Samsung holds the patent on 90% of LTE radio technology. Without getting the license the will be no LTE. That's if they can even import anymore devices into the US after the verdict in court today. Waiting now to see what the jury said, they already found apple guilty of infringement of samsungs wireless tech patents, now its down to the import injunction to see if they have to stop importing devices into the US and pull the iPad and iPhones that are here off of shelves
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Im not a iphone fan nor android im in beween. OK I'm really confuse with iiPhone 5 running Lte. Because from what u stating that Samsung owns 90% lte pat. So why on other news i read saying iPhone 5 have 4 lte connection.
Here is link to site i read
http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/09/heres-the-price-list-for-an-unlocked-iphone-5/
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people always want the latest and greatest. it doesn't matter if the improvements are slim or nonexistent. it is all about being the one with the newest device regardless of the quality. that is why they can get away with charging such a ridiculous amount for a device with minimal improvements.
This is a perfect example of consumer idiocy. Fanboys are truly brainwashed...
http://youtu.be/rdIWKytq_q4
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Im not a iphone fan nor android im in beween. OK I'm really confuse with iiPhone 5 running Lte. Because from what u stating that Samsung owns 90% lte pat. So why on other news i read saying iPhone 5 have 4 lte connection.
Here is link to site i read
http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/09/heres-the-price-list-for-an-unlocked-iphone-5/
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They came to an agreement to allow apple to use the lte radios, at a cost of 65$ per radio per device. Compare that to the $15 they charge other manufacturers to lease the radios for their devices. That's why the new off contract price for a 64gb iFail 5 is 600$ and the 128gb is 800$ and the only difference between the 4s and 5 is a 4" screen vs 3.5" adding a 5th row of icons and the lte radio. Big win, :thumbdown: its SoC was barely upgraded, and 70% of the hardware in the phone is made by Samsung, SoC, radios, screen and logic board the only thing not made by Samsung in the housing, and the device is assembled in factories whose conditions violate international labor standards and are akin to slavery. Apple is taking alot of heat in the international market over their labor practices, south Korea and several European countries have outright banned the import and sale of any apple products, meaning you can't even buy one online because they will be seized at the import point. If the Google/Motorola patent suit against apple goes thru the same will happen here in the US and they won't be able to import the devices from the Chinese sweatshop/slave labor camps where that crap is assembled
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Funny and true.
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It's very hard to explain to iphone fans why the iphone 5 sucks. They haven't got a clue what NFC really is, and only think it is used to make contactless payments......... :silly:
They forget about the other useful stuff NFC can do.
Same goes for DLNA, they think only Apple can stream wireless video via airplay as they have no F-ing clue what DLNA :silly:
And to top it off, they think that reversible plug is a gods gift and think microUSB is only used for charging....... LOL
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Im not a iphone fan nor android im in beween. OK I'm really confuse with iiPhone 5 running Lte. Because from what u stating that Samsung owns 90% lte pat. So why on other news i read saying iPhone 5 have 4 lte connection.
Here is link to site i read
http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/09/heres-the-price-list-for-an-unlocked-iphone-5/
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It's because that claim of Samsung owning 90% of LTE patents simply isn't accurate. If you look at the report here from 2011 Samsung had amassed about 284 patents or about 9% of the total. According to this article dated earlier this month Samsung is up to 819 but that's still only about 12% of the total. As you can see if that second link, Apple hasn't let itself out in the cold on LTE patents, developing or acquiring 434. We'll have to wait and see if it's enough to fight off a suit from Samsung, if Samsung ever actually files it.
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They came to an agreement to allow apple to use the lte radios, at a cost of 65$ per radio per device. Compare that to the $15 they charge other manufacturers to lease the radios for their devices.
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Do you have a source for this? I've found no evidence of any agreement and I can't really see any regulators in any country allowing such a wide price discrimination on such licenses.
its SoC was barely upgraded, and 70% of the hardware in the phone is made by Samsung, SoC, radios, screen and logic board the only thing not made by Samsung in the housing
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As there have been no tear downs for the iPhone 5 as of yet, there is no way to know any of this. I've seen speculation that A6 is based on a Cortex A15, which would put it in the same class as the S4 Snapdragon that powers the Evo 4G LTE and the US version of the Galaxy SIII. But that's still just speculation until it's actually torn down.
and the device is assembled in factories whose conditions violate international labor standards and are akin to slavery. Apple is taking alot of heat in the international market over their labor practices, south Korea and several European countries have outright banned the import and sale of any apple products, meaning you can't even buy one online because they will be seized at the import point. If the Google/Motorola patent suit against apple goes thru the same will happen here in the US and they won't be able to import the devices from the Chinese sweatshop/slave labor camps where that crap is assembled
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That same factory is used by Motorola, Amazon, Dell, HP and others, including Samsung. Chances are, if you have an Android phone, it was probably made in China.
That South Korea ban may still be in place but I can't imagine it's any more complicated than appeasing Samsung in their home country. As for the European one, that was a suit in Germany where Motorola won an injunction against Apple last December, but that injunction lifted and dismissed in February.
Best line ever: "Apple: Doing Nothing and Calling It Innovation!"
You know what fails apple fanboys whorship them like they are god here's a link to show how low they go.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57513782-71/apple-fanboys-fight-back-against-samsung/
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http://androidheadlines.com/2013/06/htc-one-taking-third-spot-in-smartphone-sales.html
Very exciting news. I sure hope HTC continues this trend because they make great devices and deserve the respect and recognition. I think the HTC One's sales should be on the top but then again I cannot say I am not biased.
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Ok, but to clarify, that's hearsay from US carriers about smartphone sales. Hardly concrete research.
True, but the US sales make a large percentage of the smartphone industry and if that's true, then that's a very good sign.
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Ok, but to clarify, that's hearsay from US carriers about smartphone sales. Hardly concrete research.
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Do people really honestly care about any market outside of the USA? What makes you think the phone won't take third place outside of the USA market?
Third place? That means nothing. The phone has 3 competitors anyway: iPhone 5, Samsung GS4 and Sony Xperia Z. This just means that One only surpassed Xperia Z, which is hardly good news.
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Third place? That means nothing. The phone has 3 competitors anyway: iPhone 5, Samsung GS4 and Sony Xperia Z. This just means that One only surpassed Xperia Z, which is hardly good news.
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The "survey's" pretty light in terms of value. An analyst called a bunch of individual carrier strores and said "hey, what's selling?" The answer could be different in large markets vs. small and in different parts of the U.S. The biggest difference between the One and the SGS4/iPhone is that the latter are available on pretty much every U.S. carrier where the One's only (currently) offered on three. The only numbers that matter are what HTC reports monthly and quarterly in terms of revenue and what their guidance is.
Here's their revenue through May. They've yet to match last year's numbers.
Here's how they did in Q1.
Here's their guidance for Q2. If they make those number they'll be down 28% in revenue compared to last year for the first half of 2013.
I guess this is relevant if you work for htc. I have always used their phones but I've never understood people who relate quality to numbers sold.
It's like the radio market in the us. You couldn't pay me to listen to that over produced garbage they call music. Yet those musicians make the most money. Are they the most creative? Not even close. If you want to own a phone from a juggernaut because sales are so important then buy a Samsung.
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I guess this is relevant if you work for htc. I have always used their phones but I've never understood people who relate quality to numbers sold.
If you want to own a phone from a juggernaut because sales are so important then buy a Samsung.
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I don't really care about that (I don't own HTC stock) but I like HTC phones, I love sense and I would love HTC to be around for me to buy a new HTC phone with sense and I would love to receive uodates on my One for the foreseeable future and for that to happen the One must sell....
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I don't really care about that (I don't own HTC stock) but I like HTC phones, I love sense and I would love HTC to be around for me to buy a new HTC phone with sense and I would love to receive uodates on my One for the foreseeable future and for that to happen the One must sell....
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It is selling. And it is putting pressure on Samsung. How many tech sites rate it above the s4? Quite a few actually.
The tech world is fickle.
Also they have made an incredible amount of stupid mistakes the last two years. That's what I'm talking about. I'm not about to take that on.
But If they continue to build the one brand I believe they will be successful. I don't care how many Samsung fan boys come out of the woodwork and deny it. The One is a premium phone and its good enough to build a loyal following in my opinion.
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Do people really honestly care about any market outside of the USA? What makes you think the phone won't take third place outside of the USA market?
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You're just trolling, right?
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You're just trolling, right?
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I has never trolled in my entire life.
Troll is as troll does.
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Do people really honestly care about any market outside of the USA? What makes you think the phone won't take third place outside of the USA market?
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Which conversation are you guys having? A discussion about "smartphones" or "high-end smartphones?" Because they are different.
Here are smartphone sales projections from 2013-2017. Japan, the UK, and the U.S., three mature markets, show the least amount of growth. Emerging markets are where the opportunity is. In emerging markets low-end smartphones are the vast majority of what's sold. 30% of the smartphones sold in India last year were $100-130; only 2% were over $400. I'm sure China's the same way. Samsung's recent stock fall was caused by analysts reforecasting the market for high-end smartphones downward because of market maturity in places like the US, Japan, and the EU. And the concern isn't sales volume, it's the impact on profit because there's less margin in lower-end devices. Samsung's expected to sell 330MM mobile devices in 2013. Only 60MM (18%) of them are SGS4's. But the SGS4's probably responsible for 1/3 of their profit (WAG). The same thing applies to HTC and other device manufacturers.
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On the subject of emerging markets, HTC's late entry leaves them vulnerable. Just this past quarter Samsung became the largest selling manufacturer in China.
As well as Samsung and Apple, HTC faces pressure from the Chinese giants Huawei and ZTE, which are both ramping up their plans to become major consumer brands. Despite this, HTC said it will target the lower end of the market in China. Chief Financial Officer Chang Chia-Lin said HTC, which has tended to rely on developed markets for most of its revenue and in China has focused on mid- to high-end models, was now ready to offer smartphones priced less than 1,999 yuan (about £200/$308) - currently its cheapest phone in China. "We're going to go down, but not below 1,000 (£106/$163) ," he said. "We see there's still room to play" in 1,000 to 2,000 yuan phones. Samsung recently warned that the growth of the smartphone market in the West was slowing down and that it too was looking to the developing world. Apple is meanwhile still rumored to be preparing a lower-cost version of the iPhone for China.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo.../HTC-turns-to-China-as-decline-continues.html
HTC Corp. maintained a 3.1 percent share of the global smartphone market in the first quarter, as its share gains in North America were offset by losses in other regions, according to U.S. brokerage Morgan Stanley. The brokerage firm said HTC's market share rose slightly to 4.2 percent in the quarter in North America from 3.5 percent in the fourth quarter of last year, thanks to the launch of the 5-inch HTC Droid DNA phone, which went on sale in November through U.S. carrier Verizon Wireless. But the company was not able to drive up its global market share, given ongoing share losses in the European, the Middle East and African (EMEA) markets and slow progress in the Asia-Pacific region -- especially in China, Morgan Stanley said in a report dated May 3. The report detailed how HTC's market share in the EMEA markets fell to 3.7 percent from 4.2 percent in the fourth quarter, with market share in the Asia-Pacific region shrinking to 2.7 percent from 3 percent. Meanwhile, the top four Chinese handset makers (Huawei Technologies Co., ZTE Corp., Lenovo Group Ltd. and Coolpad) increased their share to 28 percent in the first quarter, compared with 21 percent in the same period of 2012, at the expense of international brands including Apple Inc., Morgan Stanley analysts said.http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aall/201305050014.aspx
But staying competitive is increasingly difficult as the field has become crowded with competitors, including lower-price Chinese rivals. HTC's global smartphone market share fell to 2.5% in the first quarter of this year from 9.3% in first quarter of 2011, according to market-research firm Gartner.http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323836504578553051806977448.html
“We expect HTC shipments to peak in May, stay at a similar level in June and start to decline in July,” Citigroup Global Markets Inc analyst Kevin Chang (張凱偉) said in a note on Wednesday. Chang’s forecast came after HTC on Tuesday reported its consolidated revenue for last month increased to NT$29 billion (US$969.4 million), up 48.03 percent from April, thanks to better-than-expected sales of its flagship HTC One smartphone. “We estimate that HTC One accounted for around half of HTC’s May sales,” Chang said, adding that the company might have shipped around 1.2 million units of the phone last month, up 100 percent from April. Citigroup originally forecast HTC would ship only 1 million HTC Ones last month before ramping it up further this month. Chang said he revised his shipment forecast upward because HTC’s component yield rate had improved faster than expected, which in turn had enabled it to push some shipments to last month from this month. However, “with One volume peaking and other models still weak, we believe May will be the peak of near-term sales,” he said in the note. HTC may experience a similar scenario as last year, when sales also peaked in May and June, he added. The Taoyuan-based company could also face headwinds from the generally slow market demand in the high-end smartphone segment, according to Citigroup. Chang attributed the slow demand to a combination of saturation in developed markets and demand being delayed to next year as consumers wait for the launch of the big-screen iPhone.http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2013/06/07/2003564143
So the One being "number three" is likely in a lot of mature markets and hopefully will help HTC's profitability. But there's little demand for devices like the One (or SGS4) in emerging markets which isn't going to help their sales. But HTC's lack of penetration and having fewer low to mid-range phones to offer in those markets is going to hurt them overall.
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It would take a troll showing his roms and **** to know one huh
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Because Europe is by far the largest smartphone market they do care. But you are just dumb.
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Because Europe is by far the largest smartphone market they do care. But you are just dumb.
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+1. EU is where it's at.
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Because Europe is by far the largest smartphone market they do care.
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I hope for your sake that you know that Europe is not one country but a continent with over 750 million people.
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I hope for your sake that you know that Europe is not one country but a continent with over 750 million people.
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I suspect even in total it would not equal the US or China. Or maybe just barely equal.
EDIT: It is indeed a continent, but most people equate Europe with the EU.
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I hope for your sake that you know that Europe is not one country but a continent with over 750 million people.
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And even with that, it doesn't change a thing as it relates to the stats in the chart you mocked or the one a couple of posts before it. Any European country not shown is because it's not in the top ten in terms of smartphone usage while the ones on the list are the most populated which is how they made the list in the first place. And with so many EU countries with double-digit unemployment I'd bet a shiny new smartphone isn't tops on a lot of people's list this year.
If you add up the countries in the chart by region this is the distribution.
Asia (including India) = 299MM
North America = 245MM
Europe = 111MM
Russia = 19MM
Brazil = 19MM
Cant say Im surprised. Its gonna get much worse if they keep their new Apple-wannabe design.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/26/9402621/samsung-promotion-galaxy-s6-note-5-discount
Samsung is not giving $120 off the price of the Note5. You need to get your facts straight.
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Samsung is not giving $120 off the price of the Note5. You need to get your facts straight.
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Ok. Discount. Is that a better word choice?
http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/26/9402621/samsung-promotion-galaxy-s6-note-5-discount
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Ok. Discount. Is that a better word choice?
http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/26/9402621/samsung-promotion-galaxy-s6-note-5-discount
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No, because it's a potential rebate of future payments due, not a discounted sale price. From Samsung's website:
Buy a Samsung Galaxy S6, Galaxy S6 edge, Galaxy S6 edge+ or Galaxy Note5 on an installment plan or lease and get a rebate of all monthly device payments up to $120 following valid online claim.
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And the thread title and OP are still misleading. You make it sound like this move is being made because the Note5 is an inferior device. I get from your post history that you're quite disappointed with it, but obviously the Note5 is not the focus of this promotion. Samsung timed it with the release of the iPhone 6s and 6s+, and all the devices in the promotion compete directly with the 6s & 6s+. It's much more likely that they're just trying to keep a few people from buying iPhones. It has nothing to do with the Note5's "Apple-wannabe design."
No non-Apple smartphone OEM sold more of a single high-end device than they did last year. Samsung will sell fewer S6/S6+/Note 5's than it did last year. The market's changed and high-end non-Apple smartphones are tanking. Primarily due to the Western markets being saturated and highish-end phones being sold at 1/3 to 1/2 the price of big brand flagships in emerging markets. Flagships help sell lower tier phones like Samsung’s A-series which they're pushing the hell out of. Samsung sold more smartphones in Q2 this year than they did last year. But with selling price and margin down because they make less on lower tier phones they posted declines in revenue and profit. The latter for the year is $5+B. The only other OEM that turned a profit was LG who made $173K (thousand isn't a typo) last quarter. The rest lost hundreds of millions of dollars. This is the new reality and no single flagship is going to change that; for Samsung or anyone else.
Sooo, @BarryH_GEG, are you saying that this has nothing to do with Samsung ditching SD cards and removable batteries while apeing iPhone design language? If not, it must be that the iPhone can open Angry Birds faster
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Samsung got irritated with people saying that Samsung made cheap plasticity build phones. ..lag laden touch wiz and bloated features and gimmicks that no one used. ..those who were loyal to samsung bought them still bit for others who didn't. .that was their reasons
So they said enough. ..if that's what people want. ..well we will give it to them and they did a great job with that. ..
For 1...I am not complaining. ..and they have been slowly changing their design language with the note every year. ..and what they did now with note 5 was an eventual change
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Early buyers always pay more. End of story.
Rebates and discounts are bound to happen. For all companies.
Apple themselves will barely offer promotions like this because they make so much money and have a very loyal fanbase. They don't need to.
However, retailers, carriers and other outlets will have promotions and discounts for iPhone's.
Apple sells two versions of 1 phone (previous models too), they have a much easier time maintaining and controlling things (hardware/software) as opposed to Android or Windows Phone OEM's.
The Note 5 will never sell as much as the iPhone 6s Plus, because there are so many other variants/models at that "phablet" size in the Android market.
While for Apple, the Plus is the ONLY model at that size. Whether that be the 6 or 6s.
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Expandable storage and removable batteries aren't even in the top ten features purchasers consider when buying a smartphone. Design is. Does anyone here think a Note 5 that followed Samsung's earlier formula of a peel off plastic back cover and the design that relegates them to would have sold better? If they went that way instead of people *****ing about batteries and storage they'd be *****ing about another in a series of carry over designs.
They needed to do something major and I for one am pleased with the result.
This isnt a deal you can take if your phone is from a AT&T. They also have a $100 Google Play credit for some carries, also not AT&T. I think this is more of a play to get the other carriers sales of the device is all. Its a solid phone. I never thought I would like a Samsung device and I love this phone more than any of the previous HTC or Nexus devices I have had.
What an ignorant post. how is the note 5 anything like the iPhone design? Just because it doesn't have removable back and sdcard?
Obviously you don't need an android device. If you think having no sdcard is the end of the world then you need to go elsewhere. I can find at least 1 easy way to extend my storage to 96gb
I must admit I have a bit of a problem with samsung's desperation. They want to get that Apple recipe for success so bad. Instead of looking at what makes apple so successful and generates such brand loyalty they try to get apple sheep to switch. As if...
Apple is one of the only companies in the world that can make you buy the same thing twice. There's a reason for that. Design language was a step in the right direction. Focusing on getting people away from apple rather than making your own customers experience better is a fail in my opinion. Because while and if they succeed at luring a few clients away from apple, they are losing the same amount if not more to them.
Why don't they take care of the clients they do have? Just thinking out loud guys...
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I must admit I have a bit of a problem with samsung's desperation. They want to get that Apple recipe for success so bad. Instead of looking at what makes apple so successful and generates such brand loyalty they try to get apple sheep to switch. As if...
Apple is one of the only companies in the world that can make you buy the same thing twice. There's a reason for that. Design language was a step in the right direction. Focusing on getting people away from apple rather than making your own customers experience better is a fail in my opinion. Because while and if they succeed at luring a few clients away from apple, they are losing the same amount if not more to them.
Why don't they take care of the clients they do have? Just thinking out loud guys...
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I dont think Apple gain any customer from Samsung at all. If anything its the other way around, it just so happen Samsung is being competing with other Company that also have Android i.e HTC, Miezu, Huawei, LG and One plus. Why would people pay for an 800 device when a 400 device is just as good and have more "options". Apple just so happen to stay at the top because they are a monopoly, they dont release their OS to any other company therefore making them the only company to buy Apple product ,it should be illegal really but hey when you have money you can pay off the judge right? If you combine all Android device in the world, it would substantially killed the Apple phone sales stats.
Apple is a company that will always be second to someone, they lose to Microsoft and now they lose to Google. They only stay afloat by making themselves a monopoly. Blackberry could have save themselves too but they join the android game too late, honestly their CEO should be fire, what an idiot! He obviously dint study the mobile market and just try to release more BB product. Blackberry Market is facing extinction, even if they switch to android, its too little too late, but I digress.
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Why don't they take care of the clients they do have? Just thinking out loud guys...
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Because you can't grow with a dwindling number of loyal existing customers. Two cases in point. HTC had larger market share than Samsung in 2011. Through a series of product and marketing missteps on their part teamed with great competition their customer base began to dwindle. The M7/8/9 are highly regarded phones and have won critical acclaim. Each sold fewer units than the last. All that's left of HTC's customers are a shrinking group of loyalists. Net result is HTC is on its death bed. Saab is another good example. They were the anti-BMW at their peak and sold an enormous amount of cars. Saab owner loyalty was incredible. There just weren't enough of them to keep sales going and, like HTC, a series of product missteps and increased competition sealed their fate.
Existing customer support is critical but not at the expense of responding to changing demographic and market conditions. And that statement is broader than just Samsung's situation.
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Because you can't grow with a dwindling number of loyal existing customers. Two cases in point. HTC had larger market share than Samsung in 2011. Through a series of product and marketing missteps on their part teamed with great competition their customer base began to dwindle. The M7/8/9 are highly regarded phones and have won critical acclaim. Each sold fewer units than the last. All that's left of HTC's customers are a shrinking group of loyalists. Net result is HTC is on its death bed. Saab is another good example. They were the anti-BMW at their peak and sold an enormous amount of cars. Saab owner loyalty was incredible. There just weren't enough of them to keep sales going and, like HTC, a series of product missteps and increased competition sealed their fate.
Existing customer support is critical but not at the expense of responding to changing demographic and market conditions. And that statement is broader than just Samsung's situation.
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Makes sense. From a business perspective you are absolutely right. My comment was coming from an emotional place though. I can't help but feel that samsung should actually listen to people like us. I don't know about you but I've owned every single iteration of the galaxy family s and note since the s2. They almost lost me a few times but I keep coming back. That screen though... Best screen on any phone. Keeps me coming back, Lol.
The hate continues.
I see they are now on ebay for 579. Unbelievable. I paid 200 more for this.
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I see they are now on ebay for 579. Unbelievable. I paid 200 more for this.
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I guess it depends on how you look at it. For $579 you're getting a Singaporean 32GB Note 5 with no warranty and no support available from Samsung U.S. even if you're willing to pay for it. Unlike the past you can't use Odin to run Western (EG: Europe) ROMs because with different model numbers assigned it'll fail in Odin. It won't work with Samsung Pay and may not work with Android Pay depending on what Google's using to validate the device's market applicability.
There's been posts from people with Asian phones complaining about missing features and settings so that's something to consider. Rooting will fix it for those inclined and with no warranty anyway that's an option. But with root you loose multimedia features (EG: AllShare) unless root cloaks can help get it back. You're also relying on Monoprice (the eBay seller) to satisfy you if there's out-of-box issues like screen imperfections or less than perfect build quality. I'd imagine if any follow-on support was needed upon receipt of the device you're looking at a bunch of back-and-forth and out of pocket expense for return shipment plus the time that'll take. Certainly not support like you'd get from a carrier who has an invested interest in you beyond just selling you a device.
I don't know what carrier you're with but I'm on AT&T's Next 18 which allows me to get a new phone every year. The forgiven balance from my Note 4 was $400. So I overpaid getting it originally at $800ish but actually paid $400ish with the forgiveness factored in. The caveat being $400 high-end phones every year only works if I continue with AT&T.
So I guess whether or not $579 is a good deal depends on how you look at what you're getting and what you're giving up as well. Especially taking the comparative net of any benefit from carrier subsidy/financing programs in to account. Like so many things discussed here value is a big YMMV.
P.S. - My Note 12 is Singaporean and I've owned about a half-dozen grey market devices. So I know the drill.
Am on att, and very happy with the device! Best device I have ever owned.
And it's quite interesting to look over the threads and see how few complaints, if any, there are about this device. Everything works. No issues.
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I guess it depends on how you look at it. For $579 you're getting a Singaporean 32GB Note 5 with no warranty and no support available from Samsung U.S. even if you're willing to pay for it. Unlike the past you can't use Odin to run Western (EG: Europe) ROMs because with different model numbers assigned it'll fail in Odin. It won't work with Samsung Pay and may not work with Android Pay depending on what Google's using to validate the device's market applicability.
There's been posts from people with Asian phones complaining about missing features and settings so that's something to consider. Rooting will fix it for those inclined and with no warranty anyway that's an option. But with root you loose multimedia features (EG: AllShare) unless root cloaks can help get it back. You're also relying on Monoprice (the eBay seller) to satisfy you if there's out-of-box issues like screen imperfections or less than perfect build quality. I'd imagine if any follow-on support was needed upon receipt of the device you're looking at a bunch of back-and-forth and out of pocket expense for return shipment plus the time that'll take. Certainly not support like you'd get from a carrier who has an invested interest in you beyond just selling you a device.
I don't know what carrier you're with but I'm on AT&T's Next 18 which allows me to get a new phone every year. The forgiven balance from my Note 4 was $400. So I overpaid getting it originally at $800ish but actually paid $400ish with the forgiveness factored in. The caveat being $400 high-end phones every year only works if I continue with AT&T.
So I guess whether or not $579 is a good deal depends on how you look at what you're getting and what you're giving up as well. Especially taking the comparative net of any benefit from carrier subsidy/financing programs in to account. Like so many things discussed here value is a big YMMV.
P.S. - My Note 12 is Singaporean and I've owned about a half-dozen grey market devices. So I know the drill.
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Yup, pros and cons to owning each.
Here's my take:
Personally, I don't see it as that big of a risk. I've never received a device that was malfunctioning or broken in any way. If so, in most cases, the seller has to give you a replacement or refund. As as warranty goes, in a worse come to worse scenario, I can always get it fixed at a local repair shop. Plenty of those around now a days. Me personally, I have a friend who operates one in Philadelphia.
Android Pay is installed and works fine.
I'm not sure about any missing features or settings, haven't come across anything I'm missing aside from carrier bloatware.
Purchasing a phone at $580 is a great deal, in my opinion. I paid $750 by the way only a few weeks ago for mine. Think about it like this, you said you're paying around $400 every year on AT&T Next. Just to upgrade to a newer phone. If you buy that model you referenced above for $580, after a year you could easily sell it for at least $400 (judging by what I got for my Note 4 after one year). So in the end you only paid $180 to upgrade to the latest and greatest.
AT&T, in my opinion, is known for ripping you off on Next upgrades. You end up paying more (total) than you would on T-Mobile or Verizon.
My experience so far with the international model has been excellent. Super fast speeds on AT&T, no carrier bloatware or control over updates. Beautiful gold color, which stands out in a see of black and white phones. No dependence on a carrier known for late updates or anything else.
I called Samsung inquiring about Samsung Pay on this phone. They said once it rolls out to Singapore. It should be able to work in any participating country. That being said, the list of participating U.S. banks is minimal at the moment so it doesn't really interest me anymore.
After my call with their support specialist, I really thought about Samsung Pay, mobile payments as a whole right now in America. With the transition to chip and pay in this country, mobile payment systems from Apple, Samsung and others in the early stages. It didn't make sense for me to wait. I'm going to update my phone again in a year or maybe earlier. So I'd rather wait until mobile payments is more broadly supported.
I rooted my phone immediately after that call. Lol. In the end, I think mobile payments still have another year+ more to go before they're really any good and useful enough to replace my wallet.
After rooting, my phone is even better than before! So much more I can customize and do. My phone feels quicker, battery life seems better and much more. Granted I just rooted recently, so I want to test it more. Aside from T-Mobile, that's something the U.S. carrier Note 5's can never do.
As you said in your post "YMMV". I think this 100% true. Everyone's miles vary. For me the international gold Note 5 rooted is the best Note 5 for me personally.
Just my two cents.