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TouchWiz for Android 4/ICS = EPIC FAIL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ISAI6qbQm6U
Obviously this is a beta version of the upcoming samsung official ICS release for S2, it looks like a total catastrophe with TouchWiz..it looks NOTHING like beautiful Nexus Interface.
If it will look anything remotly similiar on the GNOTE it would be catastrophic..

Yeah agree. If the final looks like this i'm gonna flash vanilla ICS.. Well, i'll probably flash that either way.
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yes this is total dissapointment, all people expect a total new UI, and what we get is something that looks identlical to the interface we have right now... it does not look like ICS at all... looks more like gingerbread... what are Samsung thinking drop the TouchWiz crap, TouchWiz has played out it's roll... it feels like windows 7 but with the xp GUI...
We should send a protest list or something to samsung cause this looks like a total nightmare...all people expect the brilliance of the Nexus GUI.. but this looks even worse then I could imagine.

Long live cm9!!
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I wouldn't mind vanilla ICS, but there'd better be a way to turn off the on-screen soft keys on phones that have hardware ones. Also, I can't stand having to reach all the way to the top of the phone for anything but notifications. The menu button at the bottom better continue to work the same.

The vanilla runs well on the fassy. Same stuff new version.
Ics 4.0.1 by jt1134

maxh said:
I wouldn't mind vanilla ICS, but there'd better be a way to turn off the on-screen soft keys on phones that have hardware ones. Also, I can't stand having to reach all the way to the top of the phone for anything but notifications. The menu button at the bottom better continue to work the same.
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If you use adw ex u can put notificationbar on gestures, so u can drag it down from anywhere on the screen
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I hate touchiz. I'm an aosp lover
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I think the phone will look odd with ICS anyway. You will have two rows of redundant keys, even though one may be not working.

randypurcz said:
I think the phone will look odd with ICS anyway. You will have two rows of redundant keys, even though one may be not working.
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lol.....You can disable software keys in ICS

LordManhattan said:
Yeah agree. If the final looks like this i'm gonna flash vanilla ICS.. Well, i'll probably flash that either way.
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To some one who have not used android before, can you explain to me what you mean with Vanilla ICS ????
You mean it will be possible to root with the standard ICS interface ?
Will the performance be as good as the official or will be lagging and buggs etc ?
Anyway, why it look so similar to todays gingerbread is maybe cause samsung are doing an half-hearted upgrade..
they have promised us ICS.. but they only seem to put small amount of energy to make a big update...
the interface looks identical etc.. Why I wanted ICS was cause it is basically a totally new OS...compared to gingerbread.

blackstar84 said:
To some one who have not used android before, can you explain to me what you mean with Vanilla ICS ????
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Stock Android. The way Google had intended it to look, feel, and perform.
This is unbelievably disappointing. I'm still glad I have my S2, because of the ASOP rom currently under development. I'll most definitely switch between phones whenever I want and just store any content that matters on an SD card, so my phone is virtually hot-swappable between devices.

DarkShot666 said:
Stock Android. The way Google had intended it to look, feel, and perform.
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Yes I understand that, but there will be no official version cause the stock version most be modified to be able to work with GNOTE ???
I just wonder if it is possible to port the ICS to GNOTE without any glitches and performance loss... how does past vanilla versions works for other phones ?

blackstar84 said:
Yes I understand that, but there will be no official version cause the stock version most be modified to be able to work with GNOTE ???
I just wonder if it is possible to port the ICS to GNOTE without any glitches and performance loss... how does past vanilla versions works for other phones ?
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It depends on developer support. If the devs for CM9 can port it to the Note, than only then can we expect a (hopefully) fully functional ICS rom on the Note.
As it stands, Google only releases official vanilla roms to their Nexus line of phones, and they release the source for other manufacturers/devs to port to other phones.
I hope that answers your question mate, the way it was worded was a bit difficult to fully understand.

blackstar84 said:
Yes I understand that, but there will be no official version cause the stock version most be modified to be able to work with GNOTE ???
I just wonder if it is possible to port the ICS to GNOTE without any glitches and performance loss... how does past vanilla versions works for other phones ?
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Well official as in with 'nothing' on it, no carrier or vendor tweaks/applications added and in this case, things like Touchwiz.
Also ICS was launched with Galaxy Nexus not Galaxy Note, but regardless I would presume that Samsung or another developer on XDA or any other forum will create a port to the Galaxy Note.
Vanilla just means that it doesn't have the other unnecessary stuff loaded e.g. Touchwiz. Vanilla is always compiled directly from AOSP source.

Why is everyone so angry about samsung including touchwiz into the ICS rom (I assume that's what this discussion is about?). Isn't the best thing about android the incredible ease of installing another launcher? Shouldn't the stock launcher just be a .apk away?

PickleHead said:
Why is everyone so angry about samsung including touchwiz into the ICS rom (I assume that's what this discussion is about?). Isn't the best thing about android the incredible ease of installing another launcher? Shouldn't the stock launcher just be a .apk away?
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Well it's true what you said, but Samsung will skin almost everything.
The phone, browser, music player....all of them will be skinned with TW & I guess people in this thread (me include) prefer the stock ICS look and feel.

atm i looks not really nice, but! it is an internal beta, maybe even a alpha version, nobody knows if samsungs is just trying and looking if touchwiz is working under ics, i'm sure that they will make some more cosmetics for ics.

Dunno but no on saw the video? Didn't you something wrong or better few things that where not as expected on it? First the phone had a yellow triangle meaning Samsung had a problem flashing a non stock Rom on the phone. Second on the *#1234# if you not 100% eye sight old man here the csc is unknown.......... . Third the keys back and menu keys aren't functionally at all, only if they had the drivers for them to implant on csc so they could work. Fourth the browser not sure was on xda forums when he started? Or did I see wrong or now I know they where looking xda forum for a working csc file to make the buttons work.
And about touchwiz give me ics on note even with a touch I don't care, so someday the devs can make a custom Rom, on our needs. But they need to have something to play with and take some codes/ideas from the custom files.
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Wow.. that is disappointing... i thought i could just flash back the stock rom when ICS is out. Now looks like I'm going to stay rooted for good.

ASOP .............i give up

ok ..i give up What is the difference between my "out of the box" nexus7 rom and an ASOP rom. What are the pros and cons of each and which should I want???

patterone said:
ok ..i give up What is the difference between my "out of the box" nexus7 rom and an ASOP rom. What are the pros and cons of each and which should I want???
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well depending on the aosp..there are more features to it then stock. a con would probably be more bugs then stock since stock has no bugs i believe.

jarjar124 said:
well depending on the aosp..there are more features to it then stock. a con would probably be more bugs then stock since stock has no bugs i believe.
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What? Aosp is aosp. Android open source project. There's only one source. It can't "depend on the aosp".
Aosp means built from source which makes it easier to add mods and such. Otherwise stock aosp and stock OTA are pretty similar.
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Metallice said:
What? Aosp is aosp. Android open source project. There's only one source. It can't "depend on the aosp".
Aosp means built from source which makes it easier to add mods and such. Otherwise stock aosp and stock OTA are pretty similar.
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yes ik that but cyanogen mod is also aosp...as well as others.

W ouldn't AOSP be sorta pointless in a Nexus device, seeing as its basically a pure android experience (as is AOSP) straight out of Google? I get AOSP /AOKP on a Samsung /LG/Sony/etc that's plagued with crap and bloatware, but on a Google device?
Just think about it...

Yeah, the ideal rom to me would be a deodexed stock rom. That way you know everything works but mods are easier to add.

Evo_Shift said:
Yeah, the ideal rom to me would be a deodexed stock rom. That way you know everything works but mods are easier to add.
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Nah. Mods are much easier to add to aosp. That's why CM and AOKP are modified from AOSP.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong here... But isn't the Nexus 7 an AOSP stock rim as is? I mean it seems to me like it's vanilla (AOSP) android with Gapps added... Remove theGapps and u have AOSP, no?

omegajester said:
W ouldn't AOSP be sorta pointless in a Nexus device, seeing as its basically a pure android experience (as is AOSP) straight out of Google? I get AOSP /AOKP on a Samsung /LG/Sony/etc that's plagued with crap and bloatware, but on a Google device?
Just think about it...
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depends on the rom. as mentioned before, some devs use AOSP as a base and add features to it. if you go for just a plan AOSP, then its semi-pointless. but if you go for a ROM that has AOSP as a base and adds a crapload of customisability to it, then there are some benefits. some have integrated equalisers, integrated speaker amplifer apps, more choices for screen settings, etc.

[Q]Most popular and stable custom ROM

I just got my phone couple of days ago, and today had the time to root it. Which is the most popular ROM for this device ?Is it worth to flash a custom ROM ?I mean for someone who needs a stable build ?Can you recommend something ?
Regards!

Cm10.1
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i might be wrong, but is there a stable version of cm10.1 ?

rootkited said:
i might be wrong, but is there a stable version of cm10.1 ?
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As of now, no there is not.
CM 10 is generally the most popular ROM. But when you're here, paranoidandroid is the most popular ROM.
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scream4cheese said:
As of now, no there is not.
CM 10 is generally the most popular ROM. But while you're here, paranoidandroid is the most popular ROM.
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CyanogenMod is always going to be the most stable custom ROM as long as you use the stable releases, simply because it's the most actively attended to and tested one. MIUI, Paranoid Android and Slim Bean come next and have their own perks, but they're just not on the same level.

Glaux said:
CyanogenMod is always going to be the most stable custom ROM as long as you use the stable releases, simply because it's the most actively attended to and tested one. MIUI, Paranoid Android and Slim Bean come next and have their own perks, but they're just not on the same level.
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ok, since there is no stable version of CM10, and I am not so into paranoidandroid, I guess the stock ROM is my only choice...Any custom kernel which works better with the stock ROM ?Without overclocking...I have 1800+ benchmark points in Antutu...Do you recommend smthing else ?

rootkited said:
ok, since there is no stable version of CM10, and I am not so into paranoidandroid, I guess the stock ROM is my only choice...Any custom kernel which works better with the stock ROM ?Without overclocking...I have 1800+ benchmark points in Antutu...Do you recommend smthing else ?
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come on my friend...don't hesitate... you got yourself a nexus 4..! it is made for fhashing such things as roms,kernels etc...! try the latest nightly of cm10.1 and i promise you that you will hardly find any bug..! and remember its android..you are absolutely free...!

Mr_Comple said:
come on my friend...don't hesitate... you got yourself a nexus 4..! it is made for fhashing such things as roms,kernels etc...! try the latest nightly of cm10.1 and i promise you that you will hardly find any bug..! and remember its android..you are absolutely free...!
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well, ok, i will flash it right now the flashing season is starting again ))

rootkited said:
well, ok, i will flash it right now the flashing season is starting again ))
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there you go...! here is my suggestion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2098655
try this rom...

Mr_Comple said:
there you go...! here is my suggestion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2098655
try this rom...
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thanks, downloading and flashing !Feedback asap

Glaux said:
CyanogenMod is always going to be the most stable custom ROM as long as you use the stable releases, simply because it's the most actively attended to and tested one. MIUI, Paranoid Android and Slim Bean come next and have their own perks, but they're just not on the same level.
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not really,
other roms base on the most stable rom in existance, google android, aosp. cm must take this base and make it possible for old, incompatible devices to get their share. thats only possible by extending the living heck out of it. some of it is overlaid, some is not. errors come in naturally, that just happens when you leave the safe path of aosp, hundreds of commits going through gerrit stemming from all kinds of sources. dont get me wrong, cm is an amazing project. but it cant provide the same stability that aosp based roms provide, the same speed and level of customization.
as a developer i can tell you that the software i get from google is flawless, they support me with functioning drivers and blobs, documentation and guidelines. i can literally forget about everything else and go wild, extend and create new stuff that wasnt there before. i will never run into the myriads of problems the cm team is uncovering in their crusade of introducing android to legacy devices - and that in my opinion is their true power.
pps- i see you included MIUI as well. think again. guess which is the worlds biggest rom with millions and millions of users. miui. guess whos the only rom that has on ounce of design credibility. miui. they have done things in their freetime that rival professional products and you can be sure a matias duarte will not go to xda when he's out of ideas, he's taking note when miui drops a release instead. i think you are greatly underestimating them.

molesarecoming said:
not really,
other roms use aosp, that means they base on the most stable rom in existance, google android. cm must take this base and make it possible for old devices to get their share. thats only possible by extending the living heck out of it. some of it is overlaid, some is not. as long as i was basing on cm there were errors, day after day after day. at some point i became so upset with it that i abandoned the base. if you take a look in their thread you see what i mean. last week it was gps, todays week you cant use the camera, tomorrow its something else. its not their fault, that just happens when hundreds of commits go through their gerrit - you cant possibly evaluate it, thats why release candidates usually arrive when the android version is already outdated.
dont get me wrong, cm is an amazing project. but the reason it traditionally takes a backseat on nexus plattforms is that it cant provide the same stability that aosp based roms provide. it cant provide the same speed and it cant provide the same level of customization. on all other plattforms cm is the unrivaled king, that is true.
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so, which in your opinion is the one to replace stock rom ?

rootkited said:
so, which in your opinion is the one to replace stock rom ?
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Hi,
PARANOIDANDROID
Just kidding... , that said this is a great rom and very very very popular (as your thread title suggests)...

rootkited said:
so, which in your opinion is the one to replace stock rom ?
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thats up to you. try rasbeanjelly, aokp, carbon, liquid, xylon, minco, whatever you want. try cm. they all are unique in one way or another. im not commenting on what you should flash, you'll see what suits you best. i am commenting on the assumption that cm is stable and everything else is less stable which is complete and utter bullsh1t. :laugh:

viking37 said:
Hi,
PARANOIDANDROID
Just kidding... , that said this is a great rom and very very very popular (as your thread title suggests)...
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lol, took me a while to see it

rootkited said:
so, which in your opinion is the one to replace stock rom ?
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paranoid android, just put all the apps back in phone mode and its basically a stock rom with added speed and a few more customizations. plus i like the kernel colors and the custom app colors, very well done
xylon is also great but not personally my favorite, has many customizations and is much like aokp with its own feel
Codefire-X is also one of the most stable and speedy roms out, it and PA are probably my favorite roms right now, and i feel bad its often overlooked, its like aokp with a more stockish feel but faster and stabler at this point
theres also Carbon rom which is made by a few the awesome liquid rom developers, havent tried yet but looks good
Saber Mod looks cool too with its linaro optimizations but as with carbon i havent had time to try it out
there are also some interesting roms like PAC and Rootbox, but those dont really sound like they would appeal to you as much
also keep in mind i mostly prefer the roms in original android development because of the general cleaner feel, but many of the roms in normal android development are also good if you want a bit of a different feel or special tweaks
but whatever you choose, just dont stay on stock you wont regret going with any of these roms over stock

I'm using MMuzzy rom now for some days and is realy good. Is aosp with some optional features i miss in stock rom. I combine it with Trinity four kernel and for now no problems with that combination.
Never like CM or aokp...to much features and never work without problems.
On the road with my Nexus S...

Pa
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mbucks911 said:
paranoid android, just put all the apps back in phone mode and its basically a stock rom with added speed and a few more customizations. plus i like the kernel colors and the custom app colors, very well done
xylon is also great but not personally my favorite, has many customizations and is much like aokp with its own feel
Codefire-X is also one of the most stable and speedy roms out, it and PA are probably my favorite roms right now, and i feel bad its often overlooked, its like aokp with a more stockish feel but faster and stabler at this point
theres also Carbon rom which is made by a few the awesome liquid rom developers, havent tried yet but looks good
Saber Mod looks cool too with its linaro optimizations but as with carbon i havent had time to try it out
there are also some interesting roms like PAC and Rootbox, but those dont really sound like they would appeal to you as much
also keep in mind i mostly prefer the roms in original android development because of the general cleaner feel, but many of the roms in normal android development are also good if you want a bit of a different feel or special tweaks
but whatever you choose, just dont stay on stock you wont regret going with any of these roms over stock
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thanks a lot for the review...i've tried the PA ROM and it just ain't my thang....I will try some other releases

rasbean jelly, fast and stable.

[Q] Camera Features on CM10.1

Would it be possible to port the g s4's camera app onto cm10.1 on the g s4?

Just give developer the time, the phone don't even release on market yet
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XeactorZ said:
Just give developer the time, the phone don't even release on market yet
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I wasn't expecting it to happen suddenly of course, but just wanted to know if it is possible? Have developers done this before?

not sure, but probably not...
it wasn't possible on the SIII as far as I'm aware of, as it was dependent on the whole touchwiz firmware

PLUG313 said:
not sure, but probably not...
it wasn't possible on the SIII as far as I'm aware of, as it was dependent on the whole touchwiz firmware
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It is possible, and it is possible on the s3 as well...the problem is its not worth the effort,as you have to find all the touchwiz dependency, and pretty much remap how the app calls on those dependencies
In otherwords...THOUSANDS of smali edits...and no one likes smali...even just a few smali edits is painful enough to do on your own
When it comes to software, just about anything can be ported/hacked...the real issue is weather or not the difficulty of the task is worth the end result...in this case countless hours (months of work) for just a few neat features ported to aosp/cm - def not worth it imho
And then once you got it ported you have to worry about the legality of it...ttouchwiz isn't aosp, so bringing touchwiz features...especially from the camera...could result in lawsuits. Not even google allows Roms to come with gapps preinstalled, why would Samsung allow us to preinstalled a Samsung source/software onto aosp?
Btw, yes I am well aware of those touchwiz experience Roms with tw launchers and all tw apps that don't have dependencies...but even then I'm still not sure of the legality of it...
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mg2195 said:
It is possible, and it is possible on the s3 as well...the problem is its not worth the effort,as you have to find all the touchwiz dependency, and pretty much remap how the app calls on those dependencies
In otherwords...THOUSANDS of smali edits...and no one likes smali...even just a few smali edits is painful enough to do on your own
When it comes to software, just about anything can be ported/hacked...the real issue is weather or not the difficulty of the task is worth the end result...in this case countless hours (months of work) for just a few neat features ported to aosp/cm - def not worth it imho
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that I didn't know, but I disagree, it could be worth it. the only reason I stay away from AOSP based roms
is because they're missing too many good samsung features unfortunately
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And then once you got it ported you have to worry about the legality of it...ttouchwiz isn't aosp, so bringing touchwiz features...especially from the camera...could result in lawsuits. Not even google allows Roms to come with gapps preinstalled, why would Samsung allow us to preinstalled a Samsung source/software onto aosp?
Btw, yes I am well aware of those touchwiz experience Roms with tw launchers and all tw apps that don't have dependencies...but even then I'm still not sure of the legality of it...
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I'm sure it's legal as long as it's ported to another device that had it on stock rom
if it's to another device, I'm not sure

A ROM made specifically for the N4

Hi,
Many custom ROMs, like CyanogenMod, AOKP, Slim etc. are ROMs made for a wide range of devices, and are therefore not suited perfectly for the Nexus 4. These ROMs are great, of course, but after flashing lots of them I understood I want a ROM that is made specifically for the Nexus 4, as I think they would function better.
For example, I understood there is a thing called Krait optimization and I don't believe any of the ROMs I listed above have it.
I would appreciate if anyone could recommend such a ROM,that is also very customizable (well it is a Nexus...). I'm talking in a CM + AOKP level of customization
From my searching I have found two ROMs, would also appreciate if you could give me opinions about them/compare them:
PACman ROM - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146879
PUB - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146885
Thanks!

you are looking for any aosp(android open source project) based rom, based on pure android. the nexus 4, as well as all other nexus, are aosp devices. rasbean jelly is one of the best, if not the best http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2028025

aokp is good man...there is no difference

I guess you should understand that all of the Roms you have mentioned are actually built from the Nexus Software. PAC and PUB are basically offshoots of AOSP /AOKP /Cyanogen / Paranoid. The nexus is the test bed, if you will. These ROMS are specifically for our phone, built from our phones ROM, with additions in order to better them. That is as straightforward of an answer as I can get you. You should give ALL of the roms a try and see what fits your taste best, hope this helps.
TheeWolf said:
Hi,
Many custom ROMs, like CyanogenMod, AOKP, Slim etc. are ROMs made for a wide range of devices, and are therefore not suited perfectly for the Nexus 4. These ROMs are great, of course, but after flashing lots of them I understood I want a ROM that is made specifically for the Nexus 4, as I think they would function better.
For example, I understood there is a thing called Krait optimization and I don't believe any of the ROMs I listed above have it.
I would appreciate if anyone could recommend such a ROM,that is also very customizable (well it is a Nexus...). I'm talking in a CM + AOKP level of customization
From my searching I have found two ROMs, would also appreciate if you could give me opinions about them/compare them:
PACman ROM - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146879
PUB - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146885
Thanks!
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Pac(Vertigo & Blue) has Linaro, Krait, and whatever the A15 patches are called(memspy?).

Thanks everyone.
simms22 said:
you are looking for any aosp(android open source project) based rom, based on pure android. the nexus 4, as well as all other nexus, are aosp devices. rasbean jelly is one of the best, if not the best http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2028025
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I have to say that in my opinion, this ROM looks somewhat unprofessional. Its not that I tried it, but I can't understand the basic things from the OP as I should, for example the ROM's features, bugs, screenshots...
[email protected] said:
I guess you should understand that all of the Roms you have mentioned are actually built from the Nexus Software. PAC and PUB are basically offshoots of AOSP /AOKP /Cyanogen / Paranoid. The nexus is the test bed, if you will. These ROMS are specifically for our phone, built from our phones ROM, with additions in order to better them. That is as straightforward of an answer as I can get you. You should give ALL of the roms a try and see what fits your taste best, hope this helps.
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Yes but I mean that all these ROMs are ports. Cyanogen, for example, exists for almost every device out there. Look at its changelog, you'll see every bit of change incorporated in the ROM's version for every device. What I mean is, they have not done anything (correct me if I'm wrong) to optimize their ROM for the Nexus 4. The ROM exists and functions the same for the S1, the Galaxy Nexus, the Nexus 4 and the HTC Sensation. Again, I may be wrong so correct me if this is the case.
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Pac(Vertigo & Blue) has Linaro, Krait, and whatever the A15 patches are called(memspy?).
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Vertigo is the username of the Pac ROM developer as I can see. Is there a version of a developer Blue? I don't really understand.
And what is memspy?

the information is there, screenshots arent needed. but you should stay with cm then, if youre looking for an op and not a rom.
anyways, you do realize that all the nexus 4 roms are built from source? there no need to port roms to any nexus since all the sources are available for every nexus. so to say, all nexus roms are built specifically for the nexus 4, even cm. just because a rom exists on multiple devices, doesnt mean that its ported. most non nexus roms are ported to non nexus devices because they dont have sources available. this doesnt happen to nexus devices.

this is identical with a thread i remember seeing in the gnex forums a while back. anyways, they are all made for the nexus 4. they use drivers that are specific to our phone. if you flash it on another device, it wont work. AOSP is AOSP, that's the point of it. you won't get any extra device specific features if a rom is only built for the nexus 4 vs cyanogenmod which is out for a bunch of phones. the only way that happens is if your phone has a hardware feature another one doesn't ie: NFC.

TheeWolf said:
Hi,
Many custom ROMs, like CyanogenMod, AOKP, Slim etc. are ROMs made for a wide range of devices, and are therefore not suited perfectly for the Nexus 4. These ROMs are great, of course, but after flashing lots of them I understood I want a ROM that is made specifically for the Nexus 4, as I think they would function better.
For example, I understood there is a thing called Krait optimization and I don't believe any of the ROMs I listed above have it.
I would appreciate if anyone could recommend such a ROM,that is also very customizable (well it is a Nexus...). I'm talking in a CM + AOKP level of customization
From my searching I have found two ROMs, would also appreciate if you could give me opinions about them/compare them:
PACman ROM - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146879
PUB - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146885
Thanks!
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Hi. There are many things to argue here is this post but I will try to help to get you some information to get you on the right track. First off there are two versions if you will of Android, one being "AOSP" or the "Android Open Source Project" and "Google Android". Google Android is what shipped with your device, and has Google owned proprietary in it that is closed sourced, most of the development done in a Nexus forum will come from using AOSP Android. Its the same Android that ships with your device but it does not contain any of Google's proprietary and its completely open-source, however some of the coding needed for a specific devices hardware is not open-source, there's more I can go into on that but I'll stop in short by saying the Nexus4 is probably one of the best devices to be working on platform level coding since all of the binaries needed are properly licensed and most of the hardware coding is open-source. So now that's out of the way. Most of the roms here are forks of AOSP with some being forked from AOKP, CyanogenMod and PA, in order for a developer to build a Nexus4 rom they have to use the provided hardware binaries in combination to the software coding to produce said roms, so ALL of the roms here are built directly for this device. Where confusion come in at is that some of the developers do not have a Nexus4 and build based of the availability of someone being a guinea pig. Also you will have to know whats in you device, such words as "krait optimizations" should not be a hook to get you to try a rom nor should a screen shot since most of the roms look stock besides the few that are themed, ok if they're themed they probably should have a pic, but seriously know your hardware so that you are not just letting a buzzword give you a placebo effect, and remember a roms OP most times doesn't do any justice for the experience you will have from that rom so its best to just try what ever sounds interesting blindly...

TheeWolf said:
Yes but I mean that all these ROMs are ports. Cyanogen, for example, exists for almost every device out there. Look at its changelog, you'll see every bit of change incorporated in the ROM's version for every device. What I mean is, they have not done anything (correct me if I'm wrong) to optimize their ROM for the Nexus 4. The ROM exists and functions the same for the S1, the Galaxy Nexus, the Nexus 4 and the HTC Sensation. Again, I may be wrong so correct me if this is the case.
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you can't really optimize a rom for a specific device.
they are nearly the same for all devices, and there is no point in optimizing it for specific hardware.
what you can optimize is the kernel, the part that contains the device specific drivers and basically controls the hardware. these are already built and optimized for the nexus 4.
but that doesn't mean that fixes and improvements for other devices have negative effects on the nexus 4.
also, device specific changes in changelogs are mostly kernel related.

TheeWolf said:
Thanks everyone.
I have to say that in my opinion, this ROM looks somewhat unprofessional. Its not that I tried it, but I can't understand the basic things from the OP as I should, for example the ROM's features, bugs, screenshots...
Yes but I mean that all these ROMs are ports. Cyanogen, for example, exists for almost every device out there. Look at its changelog, you'll see every bit of change incorporated in the ROM's version for every device. What I mean is, they have not done anything (correct me if I'm wrong) to optimize their ROM for the Nexus 4. The ROM exists and functions the same for the S1, the Galaxy Nexus, the Nexus 4 and the HTC Sensation. Again, I may be wrong so correct me if this is the case.
Vertigo is the username of the Pac ROM developer as I can see. Is there a version of a developer Blue? I don't really understand.
And what is memspy?
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Dude, first try and test a rom before you form and vent your opinion based on nothing.

Thank you everyone for the explanations.
gee2012 said:
Dude, first try and test a rom before you form and vent your opinion based on nothing.
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As I have said, I have already flashed many ROMs, I am not basing my opinion on nothing. I have not opened this thread is not to find out "what is the best ROM" - more than a year of messing with Android and being here in XDA got me understanding there is no such thing, no best ROM. The purpose of this thread is get me some answers, to see if what I am saying is even true.

If Cyanogenmod is the same for every device then riddle me this:
Why is there a different .zip for each device?
You are not going to find a better all around ROM than CM dude. In CM each device has its own tree with many device specific commits and custom changes. You sound very ill-informed asking the questions you are asking; I am surprised you haven't received a lot more flame for it.