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questions about roms...

So I have recently learned that all AOSP roms get worse service than stock roms. I wanted to know exactly what constitutes an AOSP rom? is it a rom derived from the source code released by google? or is it just any variation on a rom?

Cyanogen is very close to AOSP, but with a lot of nice features added in. I wasn't totally familiar with what it was until I flashed Faux123's AOSP rom. It's an even more stripped down version of like the Nexus 1 and Nexus S.
Stock MT4G is HTC Sense with Tmobile's Espresso flavoring added in...but roms based off of sense or look similar aren't necessarily AOSP roms, neither are ports (Thunderbolt, Desire, etc) Hope this helps, google it also and that'll give you more info.
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kimbernator said:
So I have recently learned that all AOSP roms get worse service than stock roms. I wanted to know exactly what constitutes an AOSP rom? is it a rom derived from the source code released by google? or is it just any variation on a rom?
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ASOP means android open source project, so yes it is the code google release. Stock roms will vary from devices but all are generated from this asop source code. Asop cannot be download and just put on to a device it has to be put together first. Service providers and phone manufactures spend months optimizing phones before they hit the market. If service is better it is because of the resources they have over any given dev you will find on here

mark manning said:
ASOP means android open source project, so yes it is the code google release. Stock roms will vary from devices but all are generated from this asop source code. Asop cannot be download and just put on to a device it has to be put together first. Service providers and phone manufactures spend months optimizing phones before they hit the market. If service is better it is because of the resources they have or any given dev you will find on here
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worded perfectly IMO, for what it's worth.
if you look at the G2 and the G2x, those are what AOSP ROM's look like.

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ASOP means android open source project, so yes it is the code google release. Stock roms will vary from devices but all are generated from this asop source code. Asop cannot be download and just put on to a device it has to be put together first. Service providers and phone manufactures spend months optimizing phones before they hit the market. If service is better it is because of the resources they have or any given dev you will find on here
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worded perfectly IMO, for what it's worth.
if you look at the G2 and the G2x, those are what AOSP ROM's look like.
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It is true for g2. For g2x, it is a striped down version of lg's own framework to look like aosp from the outside but underneath it quite different from aosp. People are now starting to find out for g2x...
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faux123 said:
It is true for g2. For g2x, it is a striped down version of lg's own framework to look like aosp from the outside but underneath it quite different from aosp. People are now starting to find out for g2x...
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Really? Didn't know that. It looks and feels like AOSP. I messed with one in the store for a moment.
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[Q] Blur and AOSP?

what exactly is blur? Ive read that its actually android mixed with motorolla's touch (which is called blur) but what exactly is it?
Ive seen pictures of custom rom and cant tell the difference between blur and custom ROM. At first I thought blur was like a theme and just had fancy animations. But reading about it further it seems like blur is the extra apps that are on the phone that is not stock with the android OS, is that right?
For example if a custom ROM doesnt have blur, how does one get the camera running?
Also is AOSP(android open source project) like the opposite of blur? its considered to be a pure android OS right?

Blur, sense, and touchwiz are all proprietary vendor frameworks that (theoretically) augment the base Android experience. They come at the cost of large ROMs and resources but some people really like them.
AOSP is exactly that- if you build android straight off Google's git, you've built AOSP. It's actually pretty good, hence everyone releasing ROMs for dx /d2 claiming to be 'vanilla' or 'pure.'
In between those is CyanogenMod. CM is more like an extension of AOSP than a replacement framework. You get some nice features and tweaks plus a consistent experience across devices.
HTH!

mrkite38 said:
Blur, sense, and touchwiz are all proprietary vendor frameworks that (theoretically) augment the base Android experience. They come at the cost of large ROMs and resources but some people really like them.
AOSP is exactly that- if you build android straight off Google's git, you've built AOSP. It's actually pretty good, hence everyone releasing ROMs for dx /d2 claiming to be 'vanilla' or 'pure.'
In between those is CyanogenMod. CM is more like an extension of AOSP than a replacement framework. You get some nice features and tweaks plus a consistent experience across devices.
HTH!
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hmm interesting..
So the google phones that one would buy directly from them without service, are they considered to be pure AOSP?

1dtms said:
hmm interesting..
So the google phones that one would buy directly from them without service, are they considered to be pure AOSP?
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yes, all nexus model phones are AOSP.

1dtms said:
hmm interesting..
So the google phones that one would buy directly from them without service, are they considered to be pure AOSP?
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Google only offered that once with the Nexus 1. The Nexus S is sold through T-Mobile and Sprint.
EDIT: but yes, AOSP.

I see.. well thank you! this helped clear up a lot.
So im guessing the camera will still work with all its 8MP if used under an AOSP app?
Also is the liberty rom considered to be pure AOSP? If not, what ROM in your opinion is the best AOSP ROM for .340?

1dtms said:
I see.. well thank you! this helped clear up a lot.
So im guessing the camera will still work with all its 8MP if used under an AOSP app?
Also is the liberty rom considered to be pure AOSP? If not, what ROM in your opinion is the best AOSP ROM for .340?
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Camera support is more about kernel and libraries, I think, but the aosp camera app handles the Dinc camera fine...
Can't help you much with the rom selection, sorry.

TouchWiz for Android 4/ICS = EPIC FAIL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ISAI6qbQm6U
Obviously this is a beta version of the upcoming samsung official ICS release for S2, it looks like a total catastrophe with TouchWiz..it looks NOTHING like beautiful Nexus Interface.
If it will look anything remotly similiar on the GNOTE it would be catastrophic..

Yeah agree. If the final looks like this i'm gonna flash vanilla ICS.. Well, i'll probably flash that either way.
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yes this is total dissapointment, all people expect a total new UI, and what we get is something that looks identlical to the interface we have right now... it does not look like ICS at all... looks more like gingerbread... what are Samsung thinking drop the TouchWiz crap, TouchWiz has played out it's roll... it feels like windows 7 but with the xp GUI...
We should send a protest list or something to samsung cause this looks like a total nightmare...all people expect the brilliance of the Nexus GUI.. but this looks even worse then I could imagine.

Long live cm9!!
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I wouldn't mind vanilla ICS, but there'd better be a way to turn off the on-screen soft keys on phones that have hardware ones. Also, I can't stand having to reach all the way to the top of the phone for anything but notifications. The menu button at the bottom better continue to work the same.

The vanilla runs well on the fassy. Same stuff new version.
Ics 4.0.1 by jt1134

maxh said:
I wouldn't mind vanilla ICS, but there'd better be a way to turn off the on-screen soft keys on phones that have hardware ones. Also, I can't stand having to reach all the way to the top of the phone for anything but notifications. The menu button at the bottom better continue to work the same.
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If you use adw ex u can put notificationbar on gestures, so u can drag it down from anywhere on the screen
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I hate touchiz. I'm an aosp lover
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I think the phone will look odd with ICS anyway. You will have two rows of redundant keys, even though one may be not working.

randypurcz said:
I think the phone will look odd with ICS anyway. You will have two rows of redundant keys, even though one may be not working.
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lol.....You can disable software keys in ICS

LordManhattan said:
Yeah agree. If the final looks like this i'm gonna flash vanilla ICS.. Well, i'll probably flash that either way.
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To some one who have not used android before, can you explain to me what you mean with Vanilla ICS ????
You mean it will be possible to root with the standard ICS interface ?
Will the performance be as good as the official or will be lagging and buggs etc ?
Anyway, why it look so similar to todays gingerbread is maybe cause samsung are doing an half-hearted upgrade..
they have promised us ICS.. but they only seem to put small amount of energy to make a big update...
the interface looks identical etc.. Why I wanted ICS was cause it is basically a totally new OS...compared to gingerbread.

blackstar84 said:
To some one who have not used android before, can you explain to me what you mean with Vanilla ICS ????
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Stock Android. The way Google had intended it to look, feel, and perform.
This is unbelievably disappointing. I'm still glad I have my S2, because of the ASOP rom currently under development. I'll most definitely switch between phones whenever I want and just store any content that matters on an SD card, so my phone is virtually hot-swappable between devices.

DarkShot666 said:
Stock Android. The way Google had intended it to look, feel, and perform.
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Yes I understand that, but there will be no official version cause the stock version most be modified to be able to work with GNOTE ???
I just wonder if it is possible to port the ICS to GNOTE without any glitches and performance loss... how does past vanilla versions works for other phones ?

blackstar84 said:
Yes I understand that, but there will be no official version cause the stock version most be modified to be able to work with GNOTE ???
I just wonder if it is possible to port the ICS to GNOTE without any glitches and performance loss... how does past vanilla versions works for other phones ?
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It depends on developer support. If the devs for CM9 can port it to the Note, than only then can we expect a (hopefully) fully functional ICS rom on the Note.
As it stands, Google only releases official vanilla roms to their Nexus line of phones, and they release the source for other manufacturers/devs to port to other phones.
I hope that answers your question mate, the way it was worded was a bit difficult to fully understand.

blackstar84 said:
Yes I understand that, but there will be no official version cause the stock version most be modified to be able to work with GNOTE ???
I just wonder if it is possible to port the ICS to GNOTE without any glitches and performance loss... how does past vanilla versions works for other phones ?
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Well official as in with 'nothing' on it, no carrier or vendor tweaks/applications added and in this case, things like Touchwiz.
Also ICS was launched with Galaxy Nexus not Galaxy Note, but regardless I would presume that Samsung or another developer on XDA or any other forum will create a port to the Galaxy Note.
Vanilla just means that it doesn't have the other unnecessary stuff loaded e.g. Touchwiz. Vanilla is always compiled directly from AOSP source.

Why is everyone so angry about samsung including touchwiz into the ICS rom (I assume that's what this discussion is about?). Isn't the best thing about android the incredible ease of installing another launcher? Shouldn't the stock launcher just be a .apk away?

PickleHead said:
Why is everyone so angry about samsung including touchwiz into the ICS rom (I assume that's what this discussion is about?). Isn't the best thing about android the incredible ease of installing another launcher? Shouldn't the stock launcher just be a .apk away?
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Well it's true what you said, but Samsung will skin almost everything.
The phone, browser, music player....all of them will be skinned with TW & I guess people in this thread (me include) prefer the stock ICS look and feel.

atm i looks not really nice, but! it is an internal beta, maybe even a alpha version, nobody knows if samsungs is just trying and looking if touchwiz is working under ics, i'm sure that they will make some more cosmetics for ics.

Dunno but no on saw the video? Didn't you something wrong or better few things that where not as expected on it? First the phone had a yellow triangle meaning Samsung had a problem flashing a non stock Rom on the phone. Second on the *#1234# if you not 100% eye sight old man here the csc is unknown.......... . Third the keys back and menu keys aren't functionally at all, only if they had the drivers for them to implant on csc so they could work. Fourth the browser not sure was on xda forums when he started? Or did I see wrong or now I know they where looking xda forum for a working csc file to make the buttons work.
And about touchwiz give me ics on note even with a touch I don't care, so someday the devs can make a custom Rom, on our needs. But they need to have something to play with and take some codes/ideas from the custom files.
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Wow.. that is disappointing... i thought i could just flash back the stock rom when ICS is out. Now looks like I'm going to stay rooted for good.

Question about cyanogenMOD

Hi friends......
I wanna know what special feature is available on cyanogenmod that don't have in ours custom roms?? And why everyone just want a CM port on their phone??? What's the benifit of it?
Can anyone explain????:beer:

im curious too
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Anyone don't know??? Then why everyone's interested in CM???

CyanogenMod (pronounced sigh-AN-oh-jen-mod), is a customized, aftermarket firmware distribution for several Android devices. Based on the Android Open Source Project, CyanogenMod is designed to increase performance and reliability over Android-based ROMs released by vendors and carriers such as Google, T-Mobile, HTC, etc. CyanogenMod also offers a variety of features & enhancements that are not currently found in these versions of Android.
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The "varities of features" are not ordinary ones, and when you use a CM integrated phone, you'll understand better. So, there are many, many benefits. In short, cyanogen mod is like a trip to heaven for our phone.

well it depends in what version of cm but 4 me cm7 is enough... cm7 is
1 android 2.3.7 while our stock and custom rom is 2.3.6
2 it has crt effect when turning off the screen and when you enable rotation on the screen rotates like galaxy s3 or like apples iphone
3. The lockscreen we have ported is just basic compared to lockacreen of cm7, it has more features and more customizablility
4 custom themes are readily available, even OTA i thinkcant exactly remember
5 theres a lot of stuff you can tweak in the system without ever needing 3rd party apps like setcpu, nofrills and the like
These are just the top 5 things i want from cm7
And i know all this cause i used cm7 galaxy S for a day
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dude,
there is no need to explain,
borrow someone else's phone with CM7,
and you'll see the beauty of CM and what we're missing out

Well Thanks ... now waiting for CM..... anyone know about the progress of cm for our phone?

deathnotice01 said:
dude,
there is no need to explain,
borrow someone else's phone with CM7,
and you'll see the beauty of CM and what we're missing out
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Just wanted to give him an idea what cm has that our stock or custom roms dont have
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thirdzcee said:
Just wanted to give him an idea what cm has that our stock or custom roms dont have
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sorry if i offended you,
i wasnt quoting anyone,

deathnotice01 said:
sorry if i offended you,
i wasnt quoting anyone,
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No hard feelings and no problem bro
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CM is good
As compared to other custom Roms CM is best you can also compare it with any of the custom roms and ICS or Jelly bean mostly not possible to port in low end devices but the CM is platform that provides these versions of ported roms to low end devices.
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tanjotsingh said:
As compared to other custom Roms CM is best you can also compare it with any of the custom roms and ICS or Jelly bean mostly not possible to port in low end devices but the CM is platform that provides these versions of ported roms to low end devices.
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wrong,
some low-end devices has CM7,9,10
like galaxy mini, galaxy 5, galaxy ace, and some others i forgot

tanjotsingh said:
As compared to other custom Roms CM is best you can also compare it with any of the custom roms and ICS or Jelly bean mostly not possible to port in low end devices but the CM is platform that provides these versions of ported roms to low end devices.
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But the sad truth is our device isnt really that low end we just cant make use of the full potential of our hardware due to lack of source code to make full use of the phones hardware capabilities
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[Q]Most popular and stable custom ROM

I just got my phone couple of days ago, and today had the time to root it. Which is the most popular ROM for this device ?Is it worth to flash a custom ROM ?I mean for someone who needs a stable build ?Can you recommend something ?
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Cm10.1
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i might be wrong, but is there a stable version of cm10.1 ?

rootkited said:
i might be wrong, but is there a stable version of cm10.1 ?
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As of now, no there is not.
CM 10 is generally the most popular ROM. But when you're here, paranoidandroid is the most popular ROM.
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scream4cheese said:
As of now, no there is not.
CM 10 is generally the most popular ROM. But while you're here, paranoidandroid is the most popular ROM.
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CyanogenMod is always going to be the most stable custom ROM as long as you use the stable releases, simply because it's the most actively attended to and tested one. MIUI, Paranoid Android and Slim Bean come next and have their own perks, but they're just not on the same level.

Glaux said:
CyanogenMod is always going to be the most stable custom ROM as long as you use the stable releases, simply because it's the most actively attended to and tested one. MIUI, Paranoid Android and Slim Bean come next and have their own perks, but they're just not on the same level.
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ok, since there is no stable version of CM10, and I am not so into paranoidandroid, I guess the stock ROM is my only choice...Any custom kernel which works better with the stock ROM ?Without overclocking...I have 1800+ benchmark points in Antutu...Do you recommend smthing else ?

rootkited said:
ok, since there is no stable version of CM10, and I am not so into paranoidandroid, I guess the stock ROM is my only choice...Any custom kernel which works better with the stock ROM ?Without overclocking...I have 1800+ benchmark points in Antutu...Do you recommend smthing else ?
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come on my friend...don't hesitate... you got yourself a nexus 4..! it is made for fhashing such things as roms,kernels etc...! try the latest nightly of cm10.1 and i promise you that you will hardly find any bug..! and remember its android..you are absolutely free...!

Mr_Comple said:
come on my friend...don't hesitate... you got yourself a nexus 4..! it is made for fhashing such things as roms,kernels etc...! try the latest nightly of cm10.1 and i promise you that you will hardly find any bug..! and remember its android..you are absolutely free...!
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well, ok, i will flash it right now the flashing season is starting again ))

rootkited said:
well, ok, i will flash it right now the flashing season is starting again ))
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there you go...! here is my suggestion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2098655
try this rom...

Mr_Comple said:
there you go...! here is my suggestion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2098655
try this rom...
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thanks, downloading and flashing !Feedback asap

Glaux said:
CyanogenMod is always going to be the most stable custom ROM as long as you use the stable releases, simply because it's the most actively attended to and tested one. MIUI, Paranoid Android and Slim Bean come next and have their own perks, but they're just not on the same level.
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not really,
other roms base on the most stable rom in existance, google android, aosp. cm must take this base and make it possible for old, incompatible devices to get their share. thats only possible by extending the living heck out of it. some of it is overlaid, some is not. errors come in naturally, that just happens when you leave the safe path of aosp, hundreds of commits going through gerrit stemming from all kinds of sources. dont get me wrong, cm is an amazing project. but it cant provide the same stability that aosp based roms provide, the same speed and level of customization.
as a developer i can tell you that the software i get from google is flawless, they support me with functioning drivers and blobs, documentation and guidelines. i can literally forget about everything else and go wild, extend and create new stuff that wasnt there before. i will never run into the myriads of problems the cm team is uncovering in their crusade of introducing android to legacy devices - and that in my opinion is their true power.
pps- i see you included MIUI as well. think again. guess which is the worlds biggest rom with millions and millions of users. miui. guess whos the only rom that has on ounce of design credibility. miui. they have done things in their freetime that rival professional products and you can be sure a matias duarte will not go to xda when he's out of ideas, he's taking note when miui drops a release instead. i think you are greatly underestimating them.

molesarecoming said:
not really,
other roms use aosp, that means they base on the most stable rom in existance, google android. cm must take this base and make it possible for old devices to get their share. thats only possible by extending the living heck out of it. some of it is overlaid, some is not. as long as i was basing on cm there were errors, day after day after day. at some point i became so upset with it that i abandoned the base. if you take a look in their thread you see what i mean. last week it was gps, todays week you cant use the camera, tomorrow its something else. its not their fault, that just happens when hundreds of commits go through their gerrit - you cant possibly evaluate it, thats why release candidates usually arrive when the android version is already outdated.
dont get me wrong, cm is an amazing project. but the reason it traditionally takes a backseat on nexus plattforms is that it cant provide the same stability that aosp based roms provide. it cant provide the same speed and it cant provide the same level of customization. on all other plattforms cm is the unrivaled king, that is true.
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so, which in your opinion is the one to replace stock rom ?

rootkited said:
so, which in your opinion is the one to replace stock rom ?
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Hi,
PARANOIDANDROID
Just kidding... , that said this is a great rom and very very very popular (as your thread title suggests)...

rootkited said:
so, which in your opinion is the one to replace stock rom ?
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thats up to you. try rasbeanjelly, aokp, carbon, liquid, xylon, minco, whatever you want. try cm. they all are unique in one way or another. im not commenting on what you should flash, you'll see what suits you best. i am commenting on the assumption that cm is stable and everything else is less stable which is complete and utter bullsh1t. :laugh:

viking37 said:
Hi,
PARANOIDANDROID
Just kidding... , that said this is a great rom and very very very popular (as your thread title suggests)...
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lol, took me a while to see it

rootkited said:
so, which in your opinion is the one to replace stock rom ?
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paranoid android, just put all the apps back in phone mode and its basically a stock rom with added speed and a few more customizations. plus i like the kernel colors and the custom app colors, very well done
xylon is also great but not personally my favorite, has many customizations and is much like aokp with its own feel
Codefire-X is also one of the most stable and speedy roms out, it and PA are probably my favorite roms right now, and i feel bad its often overlooked, its like aokp with a more stockish feel but faster and stabler at this point
theres also Carbon rom which is made by a few the awesome liquid rom developers, havent tried yet but looks good
Saber Mod looks cool too with its linaro optimizations but as with carbon i havent had time to try it out
there are also some interesting roms like PAC and Rootbox, but those dont really sound like they would appeal to you as much
also keep in mind i mostly prefer the roms in original android development because of the general cleaner feel, but many of the roms in normal android development are also good if you want a bit of a different feel or special tweaks
but whatever you choose, just dont stay on stock you wont regret going with any of these roms over stock

I'm using MMuzzy rom now for some days and is realy good. Is aosp with some optional features i miss in stock rom. I combine it with Trinity four kernel and for now no problems with that combination.
Never like CM or aokp...to much features and never work without problems.
On the road with my Nexus S...

Pa
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mbucks911 said:
paranoid android, just put all the apps back in phone mode and its basically a stock rom with added speed and a few more customizations. plus i like the kernel colors and the custom app colors, very well done
xylon is also great but not personally my favorite, has many customizations and is much like aokp with its own feel
Codefire-X is also one of the most stable and speedy roms out, it and PA are probably my favorite roms right now, and i feel bad its often overlooked, its like aokp with a more stockish feel but faster and stabler at this point
theres also Carbon rom which is made by a few the awesome liquid rom developers, havent tried yet but looks good
Saber Mod looks cool too with its linaro optimizations but as with carbon i havent had time to try it out
there are also some interesting roms like PAC and Rootbox, but those dont really sound like they would appeal to you as much
also keep in mind i mostly prefer the roms in original android development because of the general cleaner feel, but many of the roms in normal android development are also good if you want a bit of a different feel or special tweaks
but whatever you choose, just dont stay on stock you wont regret going with any of these roms over stock
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thanks a lot for the review...i've tried the PA ROM and it just ain't my thang....I will try some other releases

rasbean jelly, fast and stable.