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I have installed SBF 1.5.2 right after I got my Atrix so I don't know if it is related to that but in my opinion the colors of the display are not vibrant / colorful compared to my HTC Desire Z (Vision/G2) and that phone has no AMOLED.
Compared to the HTC the colors all look a little bit greyer and I don't like it.
Is it possible to change that or am I the only one?
Thanks in advance.
You're comparing two different screen types. The Atrix uses TFT pentile and the Desire Z uses S-LCD. The Atrix is already known for some washed out colors like yellow.
Ah, thanks.
So it is not possible to change that with a software update like Google did in Android 2.3.3!?
I agree that the display is "not as nice" as other phones. My captivate IMO looks better.
yes the captivate is brighter but it also hurts my eyes after staring at it for a while. i wonder if there is going to be a program like galaxy tuner for the atrix. with galaxy tuner you can adjust the yellow color of the screen.
MaluNoPeleke said:
Ah, thanks.
So it is not possible to change that with a software update like Google did in Android 2.3.3!?
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It could be possible, we just need to tear down the kernel (once it gets worked around) and play with it some. It was kinda funny though because after giving my Captivate to my GF and getting my atrix, I look at the Cappy and go "Holy crap that screen is REALLY blue"
I was surprised on the Atrix screen. The forum didn't give it justice. The characters looks very sharp. Colors are easy to the eyes and no pixels at all!
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I was surprised on the Atrix screen. The forum didn't give it justice. The characters looks very sharp. Colors are easy to the eyes and no pixels at all!
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just take a look at your battery meter when it's green.
any green (like real green, not dark) text on the web shows the obvious differences between the PenTile display and a regular LCD.
IMHO the display of the Atrix is one of the worst displays in a high end phone that I have seen in the last time.
Only the resolution is great, the rest isn't really high end.
Yellow looks more like dirt and faster scrolling or movements show black shadows (e. g. in Angry Birds).
How us the ppi detail? Is 720p that good?
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It's amazing. There is some banding and I seem to have a stuck pixel though
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How us the ppi detail? Is 720p that good?
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Some slight banding in gradients, similar to SGS though not quite as bad. Personally I think the screen is GORGEOUS, and I would never be able to tell it was pentile without a magnifying glass, or comparing it side-by-side to a non-pentile display. The extra dpi makes up for it.
amazing !!! ( vivid colour, pop up, black is black )watched few tv shows 720p i downloaded last night and gonna watch some more tonight. love the big screen. ( never gonan go back to smaller than this one now)
Earlier android authority said the nexus 10 had an AMOLED 2650*1600 screen. I was sad when I read that because I despise pentile subpixel.
But then android authority posted the "official" specs, but this time it didn't say pentile.
So does it have an IPS LCD or (S)AMOLED?
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Earlier android authority said the nexus 10 had an AMOLED 2650*1600 screen. I was sad when I read that because I despise pentile subpixel.
But then android authority posted the "official" specs, but this time it didn't say pentile.
So does it have an IPS LCD or (S)AMOLED?
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It uses PLS screen (Plane-to-Line Switching)
Further improvement in viewing angle
10 percent increase in brightness
Up to 15 percent decrease in production costs
Increased image quality
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It uses PLS screen (Plane-to-Line Switching)
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Right its RGBW not RGBG so Its gonna be quite different but definitely better than RGBG pen tile display in terms of whites even when compared to LCD it would be brighter
Also reviewers say that display looks quite awesome
http://m.engadget.com/2012/10/29/nexus-10-hands-on-video/
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Right its RGBW not RGBG so Its gonna be quite different but definitely better than RGBG pen tile display in terms of whites even when compared to LCD it would be brighter
Also reviewers say that display looks quite awesome
http://m.engadget.com/2012/10/29/nexus-10-hands-on-video/
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RGBW? is it different than the standard RGB subpixel? like the [retina] ipad?
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RGBW? is it different than the standard RGB subpixel? like the [retina] ipad?
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It uses IPS screen. I would inform you that IPS screen might show problems with ghosting image as new Apple Macbook Retina Display.
Personally I prefer IPS LCD to Super Amoled technology. I prefer the more natural tones to the saturated colours on the SAMOLED.
What it is:
PLS - Plane to Line Switching. PLS screens are exclusive to Samsung.
RGB stripe - just like your desktop display.
What it is not:
IPS - In Plane Switching. While IPS and PLS are similar, there are differences, and PLS is generally thought to be superior.
RGBW - There is no evidence to support it being a RGBW display. Samsung has a RGBW display, but Google wanted a pure RGB display.
Pentile - Nope. No funky triangular subpixels or RGRB going on here.
Source: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-Nexus-10-specs-review-400-to-push-4-million-pixels-are-they-PenTile_id36103
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Earlier android authority said the nexus 10 had an AMOLED 2650*1600 screen. I was sad when I read that because I despise pentile subpixel.
But then android authority posted the "official" specs, but this time it didn't say pentile.
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It seems like you may have a misconception here. AMOLED does not equate to pentile. Pentile refers to how the subpixels are arranged. AMOLED can have a RGB subpixel arrangement and LCD can be made to have pentile subpixel too. Just saying.
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It seems like you may have a misconception here. AMOLED does not equate to pentile. Pentile refers to how the subpixels are arranged. AMOLED can have a RGB subpixel arrangement and LCD can be made to have pentile subpixel too. Just saying.
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Well yeah the galaxy note 2 has amoled screen without pentile subpixel.
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Well yeah the galaxy note 2 has amoled screen without pentile subpixel.
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Nope it's PLS-LCD, not AMOLED. Completely different, no per-pixel backlight.
Samsung seems to be saying that PLS is an IPS like display, we'll have to wait and see what the reviews say.
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Nope it's PLS-LCD, not AMOLED. Completely different, no per-pixel backlight.
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I think you confused the Note 2 with the Note 10.1. The note 2 is SAMOLED with full RGB subpixel.
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Earlier android authority said the nexus 10 had an AMOLED 2650*1600 screen. I was sad when I read that because I despise pentile subpixel.
But then android authority posted the "official" specs, but this time it didn't say pentile.
So does it have an IPS LCD or (S)AMOLED?
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It is impossible to set up such an huge OLED screen, with a high pixel density of 300 ppi.
If galaxy s3's screen(~5 inch) has a 90% yield, then a 10-inch-oled-300ppi screen would only get a 65% yield.
further more, the screen may take up too much power, around 10 watt, (white at 300nit)
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It seems like you may have a misconception here. AMOLED does not equate to pentile. Pentile refers to how the subpixels are arranged. AMOLED can have a RGB subpixel arrangement and LCD can be made to have pentile subpixel too. Just saying.
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No, I don't have a misconception.. I know Super AMOLED means PenTile subpixel, whereas Super AMOLED+ means RGB subpixel.
At least that is what an article I read said.
At any rate I know that 'AMOLED' doesn't mean PenTile, but in most cases [aside from Super AMOLED+] it does.
And thanks everyone.. I can't wait to get one of these, but I will have to wait till they go for cheaper on craigslist, because $499 is a little to much to spend right now. [and 16GB is just a little too small]
Your told, lcd is brighter in sunlight which is the main reason your tokd Lcd is superior or at least thay say amoled is inferior. Wrong,its because if default settings by the makers. Once rooted with proper kernel(almost every device has em) you can do with amoled what you cant do with lcd. Double the color multipliers from android default of 200 to 400. I use in order of RGB, 320/320/400 to achieve perfect white and black. Also the battery myth,lcd drains less. Thats bullcrap. Amiled black pixel achives pure black because its actually OFF. that is main reason it uses less power than lcd. Instead if going on and on I will just show u proof. I will show you picture of my LGOG(sprint optimus g) and my even aging gnex side by side in sunlight with my shadow on half the screens to show its actual sunny lol. A pic says a lot more than my Bloveating. Im using my sgs4 to post this and used its awesome camera tontake the pic if pic does not show in op I will post in first post. Have a great day peeps. Your friendly neighborhood noobness fighter.Crwolv
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Your told, lcd is brighter in sunlight which is the main reason your tokd Lcd is superior or at least thay say amoled is inferior. Wrong,its because if default settings by the makers. Once rooted with proper kernel(almost every device has em) you can do with amoled what you cant do with lcd. Double the color multipliers from android default of 200 to 400. I use in order of RGB, 320/320/400 to achieve perfect white and black. Also the battery myth,lcd drains less. Thats bullcrap. Amiled black pixel achives pure black because its actually OFF. that is main reason it uses less power than lcd. Instead if going on and on I will just show u proof. I will show you picture of my LGOG(sprint optimus g) and my even aging gnex side by side in sunlight with my shadow on half the screens to show its actual sunny lol. A pic says a lot more than my Bloveating. Im using my sgs4 to post this and used its awesome camera tontake the pic if pic does not show in op I will post in first post. Have a great day peeps. Your friendly neighborhood noobness fighter.Crwolv
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Pics wouldn't attach.must be because of using phone
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2 different pic styles,img and jpeg clearly shows that even with a shattered and pentile matrix amoled screen its brighter in the sunlight. Even did my shadow in it so no one would say....sun wasnt out lmao. Sorry naysayers proof is in the pudding and the gooey pudding is right in front of your face. Proper kernel with amoled is brighter and better battery saver than lcd. Lcd is backlit anyway and most high end phones will use it in the future because it can be bended and manipulated and LCD can't because it is backlit. Only low end phones will be lcd in the future.
I agree with what you've said (I use Samsung phones primarily), but it is true that when displaying white, it uses 3x as much power as an LCD. On mostly black, you're correct; very little power draw.
Tell me about AMOLED burn-in. Since you are increasing the luminosity, I would suspect that burn-in would be faster?
Keeping my eye out for this one...very interesting.
Do you guys mind if I ask what this "burn-in" is and how to fo about it?
Very interesting indeed.
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Keeping my eye out for this one...very interesting.
Do you guys mind if I ask what this "burn-in" is and how to fo about it?
Very interesting indeed.
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Similar to plasma screen televisions, if you leave an image on the screen for a long time (much more than average), you'll see remnants of it permanently. However, if it's anything like televisions, you can fix it by displaying a white image on the screen (entirely white) for a few hours. I've never had this happen to me and ive owned almost all major Samsung phones. Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S II, Galaxy S III, Note 2, and now S4.
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I see...so is it a bad thing?
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eggymustdie said:
I see...so is it a bad thing?
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Burn in? Well yes. You're going to see the ghost of whatever burned in, everywhere.
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Woah. Kinda like on my old phones...so that's what's called...wow.
Is there anyway to fix this?
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Yes burn in can occur on older like the gnex. Newer amoled is less likely but always set time out of 2 min when color multipliers are set to max. Best settings,for pure white is ,320,320,400 rgb color multipliers. Sorry should have talked about burn in,my apologies .
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Yes burn in can occur on older like the gnex. Newer amoled is less likely but always set timperiod., just remember out of 2 min when color miltipliers are set to max. Best settings,for pure white is ,320,320,400 rgb color multipliers. Sorry should have talked about burn in,my apologies .
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Just remember in all aspects except maybe battery power AMOLED is superior if your rooted and have a proper kernel (there there look for em) amoled is superior and infinitely more controable then LCD, period. Sorry naysayers look at proof in sunlight
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Tell me about AMOLED burn-in. Since you are increasing the luminosity, I would suspect that burn-in would be faster?
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Oh yes, burn in way faster. Keep at least older amoled/oled screens at 2 min or less
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I agree with what you've said (I use Samsung phones primarily), but it is true that when displaying white, it uses 3x as much power as an LCD. On mostly black, you're correct; very little power draw.
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black pixel is actually zero power draw the pixel is off
So how do you get this better color might I ask? You say proper kernel...any way to get it on an S3? Specifically an SGHT999?
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black pixel is actually zero power draw the pixel is off
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I said mostly black. On complete black, you're right. But you're not going to be using an app that's entirely, 100% black, are you?
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I said mostly black. On complete black, you're right. But you're not going to be using an app that's entirely, 100% black, are you?
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Actually I use an apk that uses complete black for the whole screen and I use it quite often!!! ou know what it is, my wallpaper. Lol
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Actually I use an apk that uses complete black for the whole screen and I use it quite often!!! ou know what it is, my wallpaper. Lol
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So you have no icons at all on the screen and you hide your status bar?
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Any information on the screen technology used on the S5?
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Any information on the screen technology used on the S5?
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I think its still pentile.
I was just on Google searching for this without answer. I didn't watch the live event but I'm going to assume it's pentile, I've seen no reference of a "plus" following the display type sadly
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if it's Pentile, then S5 will be the first Galaxy S phone not to have any screen technology improvement over the previous model.
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if it's Pentile, then S5 will be the first Galaxy S phone not to have any screen technology improvement over the previous model.
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You can't know what samsung have done inside 5.1 AMOLED FHD screen. I thing color will more accurate and brighter.
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I meant in terms of pixel count and total subpixel count.
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I saw errica,s mini review. She said it is still pentile.
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That's got to suck...
Samsung has been stuck on the 1080p pentile since S4.
I bet the Note 4 will also be pentile.
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Does it really matter? I see this PenTile thing as pure whining, you'll never notice it in a 1080p screen unless you put your device under a microscope to use it.
Yes it does matter. And I am not whining because the screen technology has not improved after three devices.
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Yes it does matter. And I am not whining because the screen technology has not improved after three devices.
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So apply for a job at Samsung and teach them how to do it.
Seriously, S3 -> S4 was 720p to 1080p jump.
S4 -> S5 was the "screen now is brighter and can be very dim" jump.
I think you are complaining just because you were fool enough to believe the rumours.
Interesting article comparing the two technologies here
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/the-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-has-a-pentile-display-what-is-it-and-why-should-you-care/
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if it's Pentile, then S5 will be the first Galaxy S phone not to have any screen technology improvement over the previous model.
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Of course it will have technological improvements. The Note 3 was also "just" 1080p pentile and DisplayMate called it one of the best screens ever they tested, 600nits of brightness in auto mode under sunlight, improved color accuracy and more efficient operation. You bet the S5 screen is further improved, as well as SW modes to choose the most colorful or most accurate for your liking... this phone is only a disappointment if you judge by the looks, so far it's very promising all around.
If you guys missed it during the launch, s5 has brightest led screen ever made by Samsung @500 nits. Pentile vs rgb argument is a total bull**** for phones with full hd screens
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If you guys missed it during the launch, s5 has brightest led screen ever made by Samsung @500 nits. Pentile vs rgb argument is a total bull**** for phones with full hd screens
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It does have the brightest OLED screen, but LCD LED screens have been far brighter then that. The old LG Optimus Black from 2011 had a 700 nit screen and my Nexus 7 goes to almost 600 nits.
I saw a video of the Sony Z2 and Samsung S5 side by sidem and while the screen was definately brighter on the Samsung, it was also looked worse because the colors were too bright and washed out. I don't think OLED looks good when it's so bright.
But i can't be sure until i actually see it in person.
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It does have the brightest OLED screen, but LCD LED screens have been far brighter then that. The old LG Optimus Black from 2011 had a 700 nit screen and my Nexus 7 goes to almost 600 nits.
I saw a video of the Sony Z2 and Samsung S5 side by sidem and while the screen was definately brighter on the Samsung, it was also looked worse because the colors were too bright and washed out. I don't think OLED looks good when it's so bright.
But i can't be sure until i actually see it in person.
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The Note 3 goes up to 660cd/m2.
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note3_ShootOut_1.htm
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It does have the brightest OLED screen, but LCD LED screens have been far brighter then that. The old LG Optimus Black from 2011 had a 700 nit screen and my Nexus 7 goes to almost 600 nits.
I saw a video of the Sony Z2 and Samsung S5 side by sidem and while the screen was definately brighter on the Samsung, it was also looked worse because the colors were too bright and washed out. I don't think OLED looks good when it's so bright.
But i can't be sure until i actually see it in person.
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from what i have heard from Francisco z2 is the best screen sony has come up with so far... if im not wrong its the lcd screens that loses color at max brighntess
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The Note 3 goes up to 660cd/m2.
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then we have to wait for actual results to know what samsung bragged about the screen during the launch
Its not pentile. Geex. I can't believe anybody has pointed out it is still diamond array RGBG. BIG improvement over pentile. Not going to lie though. Even though the RGBG looks fine and comparable to a standard RGB screen I wish it was at least like the galaxy note 2 or moto X screen. RBG with a bigger blue pixel. Looks awesome, can't tell it's not standard RGB stripe and it is efficient. I think the gnote2 and moto x so far have had the most efficient AMOLED screens so far.
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Its not pentile. Geex. I can't believe anybody has pointed out it is still diamond array RGBG. BIG improvement over pentile. Not going to lie though. Even though the RGBG looks fine and comparable to a standard RGB screen I wish it was at least like the galaxy note 2 or moto X screen. RBG with a bigger blue pixel. Looks awesome, can't tell it's not standard RGB stripe and it is efficient. I think the gnote2 and moto x so far have had the most efficient AMOLED screens so far.
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It's PenTile.
The diamond is the arrangement, but it is still PenTile (just as LED HDTVs are still LCD with the LED simply describing the backlight). As you said, it's RGBG (another combo used by Moto was RGBW). RGB is the preferred subpixel layout. But seriously, the layout could be stripe, diamond, or it could be in the shape of a penis for all anyone cares, RGBG is PenTile.
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The Note 3 goes up to 660cd/m2.
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So are you saying that the Note 3 is significantly brighter than N2?
I can barely see my phone under the Sun