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I saw iphone4 screen and is beautiful but i dun think x10 is half that bad.
So what you guys think about our screen =) i sure it look great but is it not as good as iphone4 and why?
O ya i saw sgs screen is bright but i think is not as sharp as our=)
I like the iPhone screen, but would take a 4" screen with a couple less pixels over a 3.5" screen with more pixels. I haven't seen the SGS screen yet, but have heard that colours seem fake on it.
jingkailim said:
I saw iphone4 screen and is beautiful but i dun think x10 is half that bad.
So what you guys think about our screen =) i sure it look great but is it not as good as iphone4 and why?
O ya i saw sgs screen is bright but i think is not as sharp as our=)
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The iphone 4 screen is super amoled...same as sgs....therefore they will be more crisp than our x10. Plus right now the x10 is only displaying 65000 + colors....when we get 2.1 we will get bumped to 16 million colors which will give us a very nice display. Id still take my x10 over iphone4 and sgs...even without 16 million color display.
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I like the screen... and ive got the same wallpaper on my phone that i have on my PC and the colours on the x10 are sooooo much better than on my LCD. Witch kinda sucks for my monitor but good for the phone lol
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The iphone 4 screen is super amoled...same as sgs....therefore they will be more crisp than our x10. Plus right now the x10 is only displaying 65000 + colors....when we get 2.1 we will get bumped to 16 million colors which will give us a very nice display. Id still take my x10 over iphone4 and sgs...even without 16 million color display.
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Iphone4 : Display Type TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_4-3275.php
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Iphone4 : Display Type TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_4-3275.php
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Right on...thanks for the info. I was thinking it was super amoled for whatever reason. Not an iphone/apple fan, so I don't really pay much attention to what they have....couldn't really care to be honest either lol.
It will be interesting to see what the X10 can do when we get 16 millions colors.
iPhone 4: IPS panel, superior color accuracy to other types, best viewing angles. The 4's display, as we all know, has the highest resolution (too high for my tastes) and true 16-bit color, around 1000:1 static contrast ratio (excellent).
X10: TN panel (most likely), at best 16.2 million dithered colors, decent viewing angles, decent contrast (nowhere near the iPhone 4).
Samsung Galaxy S: Pentile SAMOLED. Pentile is an awful technology that pretty much ruins most of the good in SAMOLED. The Galaxy S has outstanding contrast (50,000:1), insane blacks (as good as high end plasma TVs), and remarkable viewing angles (slightly better than the iPhone 4), but Pentile makes reading small text a headache for some. I kept seeing a slight "screen-door" effect with normal sized text too. Read up on the color inaccuracy of Pentile displays, and why the Galaxy S is not a TRUE 480x800 resolution phone.
Overall, in my view, the Droid/Droid X (haven't seen it in person though) and iPhone 4 have the best display with the LEAST compromises. The Galaxy S' blacks are sick though --too bad black isn't a color!
I have both an sgs and an x10. And the sgs display is way ahead of the x10.
The contrast makes a crap load of difference and the extra colours are very distinct. I have to stick to greyish wallpapers so i dont get colour bands on the x10.
Haven't seen the iphone 4 not available yet in south Africa.
Looking forward to seeing the x10 in 16m though. Should be interesting to compare
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I have both an sgs and an x10. And the sgs display is way ahead of the x10.
The contrast makes a crap load of difference and the extra colours are very distinct. I have to stick to greyish wallpapers so i dont get colour bands on the x10.
Haven't seen the iphone 4 not available yet in south Africa.
Looking forward to seeing the x10 in 16m though. Should be interesting to compare
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I have had both and I would agree that the Captivate is better when viewing photos or video. When viewing text though, I disagree. I much prefer the X10 for text (email, sms, web browsing, etc.).
I played with a Vibrant today at a Bell store what i noticed was that the blacks are indeed very good, the thing is though that the whites suck they are kind of blue not really white, in matter of fact there is quite a bit blueish tint going on.. The colors are very colorful lol but not real at all they are way oversaturated if thats the word. Also i can see the pixels from a mile away lol. Anyway the screen is nice to look at but its unrealistic and is bad for reading any kind of text wich i do quite a bit more than watching videos. Also the X10 screen looks bigger because the Vibrant's screen is a little wider and i dont really like that. My overall thought on the Vibrant is that it felt kind of cheap in my hand and also ugly. If it wasnt for the screen that pops out at you i doubt anyone wouldve paid attention to this phone even with the hummingbird cpu and the 512ram.
Is anybody else noticing how dull the colours on the Milestone 2 is? ive looked around and havnt been able to find anybody else talking about it.
I took a few shots of it beside a ZTE Blade and a Zune HD (Zune on medium brightness, both phones on 30% brightness) and strangely enough the Blade's TFT screen looks identical to the Zunes OLED... and the Milestone looks awful!
im confused because the Blade cost 100 and the Milestone cost me 450!???
photos and a video here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/savagecabage/Milestone2TFTErrible#
is there some settings that im missing? im hoping there is. i feel like ive been screwed my motorola lol but i suppose its my own fault, i didnt really do that much research on the screen, i just presumed that a phone that cost 4 times as much as my last phone would have a decent screen
i got this info from pdadb.net, does this make sense to anybody?
ZTE Blade color transflective TFT , 262144 scales
Milestone 2 color transflective TFT , 16777216 scales
also there only seems to be about a 5-10 degree viewing angle on it, once the phone is tilted out side that the colour drops again, oh well
Do you have any screen protector or something on the MS? Are you sure screen brightnes is @30%? I have Droid2 Global and a Milestone (1) which both essentially have the same screen as on MS2 and it is not looking half that dull! True, colors aren't AMOLED like, but I would call it above average for TFT screen
Edit: just looked at the rest of the pics you provided and honestly the ZTE screen looks worse than the MS2 when it comes to color representation - everything feels redish/pinkinsh on it. The AMOLED is not comparable under this conditions. Take some photos at daylight to see "the other side of the coin"
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Do you have any screen protector or something on the MS? Are you sure screen brightnes is @30%? I have Droid2 Global and a Milestone (1) which both essentially have the same screen as on MS2 and it is not looking half that dull! True, colors aren't AMOLED like, but I would call it above average for TFT screen
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no screen protector on and im using widgetsoid power widget and have both of them set to 30% using that. yea maybe its that the ZTE Blade colours are over saturated and im just used to look at them that way, but there is definitely some colours wrong and dull in places, like the red in the youtube icon is more of a washed out red than thier logo usually is
ah not to worry i suppose, i probably wont even notice it in a few weeks, ill be selling of the blade then so i wont have anything to compare it to anymore
awesome phone apart from that though
if i find some better examples ill post them,
thanks
I also noticed this the night I took my Milestone 2 home... I was a little concerned at first, but the soft colors eventually grew on me and I dont mind it so much now
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I also noticed this the night I took my Milestone 2 home... I was a little concerned at first, but the soft colors eventually grew on me and I dont mind it so much now
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Its not just me so! thats nice to know im not going mad. im sure ill get used to it soon as well, its not the biggest deal breaker anyway, im just into a bit of photography in my spare time so i like being able to look at photos on my phone in the correct colour
this guy says the screen is vibrant? i must go ask him how he gets it so vibrant, maybe theres a setting somewhere to turn the colour back on
http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/5213/motorola-milestone-2-android-review
"It is vibrant and displays colours well"
According to DisplayMate (which is an authority on displays) the Milestone Droid has the most accurate colors of ANY mobile screen. SAMOLED has awfully inaccrate and fake colors due to the poor pentile matrix arrangement. I dont know if the OLED screen on the Zune is full RGB or also pentile, but its colors are also "gaudy" and no realistic. Compared to my LG's IPS panel, the Milestone is pretty close. I suggest that your eyes are just accustomed to fake and bleeding colors, or your LCD might be a lemon.
The Milestone's display is IPS with full color gamut and true 24 bit color, not a cheap TN panel like almost every other phone. However, Android 2.1 and 2.2 have galleries that are only 16 bit, so pictures look compressed, not the screen's fault. Blame Google.
Www.displaymate.com.
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This picture indicates just how bad the ZTE screen is. That background on the right isn't even remotely close to being white like it is supposed to be.
It appears to me that your Droid brightness settings are too low (or is on auto dimming) because the Droid's screen should be much brighter--something like 550 nits for the Droid to 300-350 nits.
Also, your eyes are clearly accustomed to "gaudy" and inaccurate colors from OLED, whereas the Droid's display is very accurate.
Have a look at this DisplayMate article that breaks down why the Droid is accurate, Galaxy S' SAMOLED (similar to the Zune's OLED) inaccurate: http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BZtTwn-keT4/TSb4DpoadvI/AAAAAAAAAc0/0pqLgfd_Uik/s640/IMG_2833.JPG
I recommend manually setting the brightness on your Droid. Personally, I prefer the screen very bright. Let your eyes adjust to the Droid, and if you still want overly saturated/fake/inaccurate OLED colors, then please sell your Droid 2 to me
ive had my milestone 2 a month and when i look at it i still think how awesome the screen is, really sharp and clear, colours are vibrant, and ive had to turn the brightness down to almost the lowest it will go because its so bright! lol.
but as with most things peoples perception varies, what looks or sounds great to one person might look or sound horrible to another..
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This picture indicates just how bad the ZTE screen is. That background on the right isn't even remotely close to being white like it is supposed to be.
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dont mind thoses pictures actually, using that camera wasnt the best idea, it white when looking at it, no red/pink in it
i think your talking about a different phone anyway, i had a quick look around display mate and couldnt find anything about the droid 2. they have stuff on the droid 1 but nothing on the droid 2. prolly a similar screen but might not be the same
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Also, your eyes are clearly accustomed to "gaudy" and inaccurate colors from OLED, whereas the Droid's display is very accurate.
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yea at first i was thinking that my eyes were just accustomed to "gaudy" colours as you said but if thats true then it means that every screen ive looked at in the last few years has been incorrect.
i just put my xperia x1 and touch pro on ebay and realised that they look "normal", i put some photos on them to look at and both of those seem to be roughly the same as the zte blade, not as saturated as the ZTE blade colours ill give you that, but similar enough, and i have two monitors on my computer here and the photos have exactly the same "normal" colours, but then looking at the same photos on the Milestone 2 they look fairly washed out, even with the brightness at 100% there is a big difference.
i change the brightness settings all the time though but in the photo they were both at the same brightness so it shouldnt matter what % it was just to comapre them
anyway im definitely not imagining it, ive been doing photography and graphic design for a good few years now so my eyes are able to tell small differences between colour at this stage (i wouldnt be much of a photographer/designer if i couldnt) and its more than a small difference, enough that id bother posting a thread here to see if anybody else is noticing it!
well, ive come to the conclusion the screen on my milestone 2 it a lemon... or maybe motorola is the lemon. one of those two, or both lol
i wont be selling it anytime soon though unfortunately sorry im enjoying this phone way to much, the issue doesnt really bother me enough to do something crazy like that..
i just thought it was strange to see it on a 450 phone thats all
mine sometimes as problems, but not that bad :/
dude i really dont think your phone or the screen is the problem, i think its your eyes, just look at the picture of that Rovio screen! the left one is white, the right one is PINK! obviously the m2 has a much more accurate screen.
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ive had my milestone 2 a month and when i look at it i still think how awesome the screen is, really sharp and clear, colours are vibrant, and ive had to turn the brightness down to almost the lowest it will go because its so bright! lol.
but as with most things peoples perception varies, what looks or sounds great to one person might look or sound horrible to another..
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i totally agree about the sharpness and the clearness and the vibrantness of the screen, great detail in it. and i just realised all the colours are really vibrant apart from light blue and red, everthing else seem to be normal. the light blue looks the palest, and then the reds arent as bad but definitely still some difference compared to my computer monitors and other phone screens ive been comparing to.
ah not to worry anyway, i was just curious whether it was a problem everybody was having or if it was just my screen, i wont lose any sleep over it
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dude i really dont think your phone or the screen is the problem, i think its your eyes, just look at the picture of that Rovio screen! the left one is white, the right one is PINK! obviously the m2 has a much more accurate screen.
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yea i didnt really notice that when i was uploading the photo, i just explained that in a post a few seconds ago. it must be just the camera im using, both of them are the same whiteness when looking at them, i was just trying to show the difference in the red colour. the zte blade was at an angle too so i dont know where the pink came from, i just looked at angry birds again on that phone,and at an angle and its still white, stupid camera lol
Savage, I think you might have a bad screen. Can you compare it to another Global or exchange it? The Droid 1, 2, R2D2, and Global all have the same IPS panel as reviewed by DisplayMate, which thinks it is the most color accurate on phones. The Droid does use dynamic contrast, so its colors are sometimes deeper than at other times. I notice this especially when changing wallpaper. Some look absolutely stunning (almost as good as my IPS hdtv), but others are washed out. This is part of the dynamic contrast kicking in and Android's limited 16 bit gallery. I despise dynamic contrast and always turn in off on all my monitors. Unfortunately, I dont know how to disable it on the Droid
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Yeah, I have the d2g, which I believe has the same screen as the m2, and I absolutely love the screen. The colors are very accurate and sharp, I used to have the captivate and I never liked how innacurate the colors were, whites never looked white, they looked grayish, and every other color had a bluish tint to them
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ive had my milestone 2 a month and when i look at it i still think how awesome the screen is, really sharp and clear, colours are vibrant, and ive had to turn the brightness down to almost the lowest it will go because its so bright! lol.
but as with most things peoples perception varies, what looks or sounds great to one person might look or sound horrible to another..
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Same here, my brightness is always almost all the way down except in sunlight where I turn on auto brightness.
Great Display.
I have a lot of phones with different displays including an Xperia with the Bravia engine which I returned for my MS2 and I would have to say that this is one of the nicest displays out there.
I just check the same pic on my Atrix 4G , and Nexus one, as well as my IPS screen.
here are the sample:
1st attatchment is Atrix
2nd is Nexus one
3rd is Atrix vs N1
4th is original pic taken with Canon 5DmkII
IMO,
Atrix has washed out color
Nexus One(AMOLED) is overSaturated
My IPS lcd screen is calibrated by Spyder 2 pro.
I may like the color on Atrix, coz I am tired of AMOLED oversaturated color.
I dont have Inspire, so I can't judge on the SuperLCD screen.
Your judgement?
your atrix screen suffers from a yellow tint. it happens in all phones including iphone, nexus S " all phones "
there are 2 types of screens
1- yellow tinted screen
2- blue tinted screen. your nexus 1 is blue. while your atrix is yellow.
the blue one is the better screen, you will notice it when you put a blank white wallpaper. and on high brightness, you will see you atrix has yellow tint to it while your nexus 1 doesnt.
i say swap your atrix for better screen.
also you have to keep in mind that your screen is not Super Amoled. so dont compare contasts .
Just my $0.02, but I think the Atrix screen is better. It represents real colors, not oversaturated colors that everyone seems to love on phone screens now.
Atrix had the best of everything in these. Definition, color balance, skin tones, etc. Anyone who clames different now is full of crap.
+1 Thanks for the comparison. This should be stickied for all fanboys to see.
The N1 is waaay to red in my opinion.
The atrix could use a bit more warmth in the colours but not really that bad
More importantly, who's the girl..!?
Joking aside, the Atrix looks far more natural. I'm getting mine in a couple of hrs & have currently a N1 so I'll be comparing a lot in a while. Can't wait!
I think the atrix screen is great. I really dig the realistic colors. It's not perfect, but it's better than the N1 by far.
I still think that the iPhone has a better screen, i just don't want to use 3.5" anymore. It's too small and limiting.
One thing though that I notice between this and the n1 is that I can actually use the atrix in direct sunlight and that's a +1.
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One thing though that I notice between this and the n1 is that I can actually use the atrix in direct sunlight and that's a +1.
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this! and only this! I can see the atrix screen @ 50% brightness in direct sunlight whereas I could barely make out anything on my N1 @ 100% brightness in direct sunlight!
The atrix cant do the color yellow at all.. Look up yellow on wikipedia, you will see what I mean. Doesnt matter what shade the phone is, it cant do yellow. iPhones do it perfectly, as does my captivate.
That being said, the flesh tones are FAR better than on a SMOLED.
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The atrix cant do the color yellow at all.. Look up yellow on wikipedia, you will see what I mean. Doesnt matter what shade the phone is, it cant do yellow. iPhones do it perfectly, as does my captivate.
That being said, the flesh tones are FAR better than on a SMOLED.
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The color orange (being based on yellow) looks far worse to me..... I did a test with al the colors on wikipedia.... . That said, the darker colors look better imo. Especially purple & black.
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I think the crispness of the text is because of the slcd . I had a galaxy s before I bought my nexus s .. The first difference i noticed was indeed the crispness of the text, on s amoled the text always looked a bit fuzzy even with sharpnes fixes... I do think the colorurs on the s amoled screen were "richer" than on the slcd screen.
If there's anything that bothers me about my i9020, it's that I can barely read the fuzzy, vague text on the screen. I can BARELY make it out half the time.
Very jealous of you guys.
EDIT: Im quite surprised no-one realised I was joking. I think my phone's screen looks amazing.
I don't know guys. I can read all the text on my i9020 just fine. I read all my kindle books on the smallest text settings and have no issues. This apps text looks great and so is web browsing.
This phone never had the yellow washed out color that alot of people complained about either.
The few times I've seen the two phones side by side the slcd screen looked terribly washed out compared to the super amoled.
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I have no problem reading the smallest of text on my SAMOLED Nexus S either and the pentile layout has never bothered me. In fact, side by side with a SLCD Nexus S the only way I can tell one from the other is by the black levels.
They are both very good displays.
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If there's anything that bothers me about my i9020, it's that I can barely read the fuzzy, vague text on the screen. I can BARELY make it out half the time.
Very jealous of you guys.
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Either your phone needs to be repaired or you may need to get your eyes checked.
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Same here. I don't notice any fuzzy texts on the Nexus S or even the Vibrant when I had it (people were saying the same thing for the Vibrant too). Kind of curious what the fuzzy texts looks like. Any possible screenshots?
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Either your phone needs to be repaired or you may need to get your eyes checked.
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this.
because its not that bad to the point its unreadable.
what some of you call "fuzzy" is the pentile pixel layout of the screen... (half the blue and red pixels compared to a conventional lcd screen)
see here: ars article
I personally think it's crap and can see it very clearly, it's about the only thing I don't like about my nexus one.
isn't there also a battery life issue??
i have a i9023 and my boss has a i9020, and my phone last much longer!
To be fair, certain fonts rendered in a smaller size dont look so great on SAMOLED pentile matrix screen. Like the font that comes with the matted blues theme.
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Maybe it depends on what people like. Colours on the SAMOLED do look a bit oversaturated and that pleases most people. The black is definitely deeper as well.
However, I maintain that the SLCD is a lot easier on the eyes if you do a lot of reading.
I've taken a few photos of the two phones. Both in 100% brightness. There are some weird colour artefacts which I haven't edited out. The SAMOLED seems to get a green streak whereas SLCD gets a bit of magenta. In actual usage of course, they both look white (with the SLCD being a little bit on the blue side)
BTW, the pictures where taken at exactly the same magnification. Only very minor adjustments were made to bring the phones into focus due to the difference in thickness (yes, half a millimetre does make a difference in macro photography!!).
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man thats too close. is that how you read a text ? lol god help you " kidding "
i do see your point. and yes the Super amoled screen is not as clear in text as LCD. this was known for while. the advantage of the SA is deeper colors while better text reading and sharpness on SLCD.
i think they both look great. just matters of what you like most.
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isn't there also a battery life issue??
i have a i9023 and my boss has a i9020, and my phone last much longer!
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If i am not mistaken, engadget had a review regarding the battery life between the amoled desire vs slcd desire. amoled version lasted like 30-45 mins longer playing same video in loop.
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I didn't know it was the i9023 and just by looking at it they're almost identical, however, the i9023 is a bit thicker and 10 grams heavier.
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When you say a bit thicker... Is there any official specs about I9023? Cause I have been searching by Google about that thickness (already before I saw this thread), but I have found nothing. I am getting my I9023 this week and have been just wondering, cause it has "just" lcd screen, it must be a little thicker...
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Thanks, that cleared. Sure looks a bit more "masculine", than I9020. Will see, when I get it to my hands...
no offense guys, the SCLCD of i9023 is so amazing. I did not realize the big difference until going out to direct sunlight.
Compare to my previous HTC desire HD which is totally hopeless under direct sunlight this is so much better, viewing angles is also a plus point for this. About the SAMOLED, I tried couple times on my friend's galaxy S, still prefer my current SCLCD
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Maybe it depends on what people like. Colours on the SAMOLED do look a bit oversaturated and that pleases most people. The black is definitely deeper as well.
However, I maintain that the SLCD is a lot easier on the eyes if you do a lot of reading.
I've taken a few photos of the two phones. Both in 100% brightness. There are some weird colour artefacts which I haven't edited out. The SAMOLED seems to get a green streak whereas SLCD gets a bit of magenta. In actual usage of course, they both look white (with the SLCD being a little bit on the blue side)
BTW, the pictures where taken at exactly the same magnification. Only very minor adjustments were made to bring the phones into focus due to the difference in thickness (yes, half a millimetre does make a difference in macro photography!!).
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Those pictures are so much alike besides the color is kinda silly. The pixels look exactly the same.
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is it just my phone or what here?
I have noticed the saturation of colors on my atrix are just horrible specially green which makes yellow and orange that's why yellow and orange are really off... just me or everyone? if so anyone got an idea on how to tackle this issue?
search is your friend, its not just your phone. Its also not really a problem for a lot of people, myself included, since id take it over supersaturated colors any day.
The Colors on my phone look like the colors on my Touch Pro. What I mean is that they look the way they should.
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The Colors on my phone look like the colors on my Touch Pro. What I mean is that they look the way they should.
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Agreed, mine looks fine to my eyes. Best looking screen I've ever had on a device besides my G73JW.
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I cannot complain. My color look ok to me.
The resolution is amazing I can't lie but the quality and the color are **** compared to my amoled desire.. green is too dark and the quality of the picture is wack too pixelated...
everyone who says it's not important is lying at least a little. the screen is not perfect, period. one needs only to look at a green image or moving red image to see the flaws in the screen design.
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As a color blind person I can say that the greens look fine to me. and thanks for saying I am lying even if only a little.
There have been a couple of colour comparisons, and I believe the concensus has been that the Atrix has more "realistic" colours, while we are more used to other devices having colours that "pop" with over saturation. We have become accustomed to over saturation, and so when we see colours on a screen that more closely match real world colours, we think there is something wrong. I will take the Atrix colours over anything else I have used.
<edit> I have seen one comparison where correct colour calibration techniques were used to compare the Atrix to I believe the iPhone4. I will try to find it again and post a link.