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Thinking about starting a Fire

I'm thinking about getting a Kindle Fire. I really don't know what I'd quite do with a tablet, but I imagine I could find some uses for it. I don't really read books very often, so I wouldn't use the Fire as an e-reader.
The main thing I think I'd use it for is web browsing and IRC, and thus begs one my main questions: how is browsing on a 1024x600 display? Is it able to display full websites well?
Next, I don't really like the default Fire UI. It seems like too much of a novelty. How easy is it to root the tablet and install a custom ROM? How stable are any of the ICS ROMs right now?
Last, I just don't know if I really need it. If I do get a Fire, I'd get it at Walmart. With their $50 gift card offer and my 10% associate discount, I figure I can grab one for about ~$130. At that price point, it seems like too good of a deal to pass up, but I don't know if I should just save my money on something else or just bite the bullet and buy one. I'm still kicking myself on not jumping on the $99 TouchPad deal last year. LOL.
Thanks.

I bought my KF for 200$ a week ago & Im still amazed with what this thing can put up. You should have no problem browsing webs or playing games at all, & I even love the default browser better than dolphin or opera xD (really love the side-touch menu )
And the stable roms would be those CM7 with ICS theme, rooting can be a bit hard at first but after 2 days you should get everything on the track
After buying this, I thought to myself how fool I was to pay 700$ for my old japanese 3d smartphone

I use my KF to read and web browsing and it's perfect for it. I'm using a Ics rom and is almost perfect. It has just few bugs, nothing important, at least for me.
The root is really easy, just use the KFU, you can find it in the developer thread.
For me was a great purchase, I highly recommend it.

beanboy89 said:
Next, I don't really like the default Fire UI. It seems like too much of a novelty. How easy is it to root the tablet and install a custom ROM? How stable are any of the ICS ROMs right now?
Thanks.
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Short of rooting and installing a new ROM, you can simply download and install the "GoLauncher EX" from the market (free). No rooting necessary. It's a fantastic replacement for the Fire UI and it gives the tablet the look and feel of "Gingerbread." Neall

Thanks for the replies thus far! I've just been looking into alternative launchers for the Fire instead of doing a full-out root/custom ROM. Some of the third-party launchers look pretty nice and really look to give the Fire a proper tablet appearance. I assume Google Apps (Gmail, Maps, Market) are available for non-rooted devices? Those are a must for me.

Browsing is fine. Definitely capable of running almost every site. Rooting is easy. Haven't tried ICS ROMs yet, only messing with my themes for now.
::google apps are not available for nonRooted devices (to my knowledge) -- yes it sucks, but rooting is made easy for that reason :>

You would need to root your KF to install the Android Market and get those apps, but with the information on the forums it is very easy. The first handful of threads in the development forums have all the information you need.

Picked it up tonight. It's got some nice hardware. For now, I've installed ADW.Launcher EX to give it more of a Gingerbread feel, but something just feels a bit off compared to a proper Android 2.x experience. I can't quite put my finger on it.

Root and install CM7 and that feeling will go away.
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hrbib21 said:
Root and install CM7 and that feeling will go away.
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+1 btw rooting is easy as ****. The tough part is installing a recovery. At least I had a few scares
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if you want a tablet i would suggest aganst the fire. its a great device that is primarily for reading books. here at xda it has been transformed into a tablet but i truely believe a native tablet is the way to go in terms of video and web consumption.
yes the kindle can handle it but a native tablet can do it better. also please consider the smaller ram, processor and non expandable memory

tokyostomp said:
if you want a tablet i would suggest aganst the fire. its a great device that is primarily for reading books. here at xda it has been transformed into a tablet but i truely believe a native tablet is the way to go in terms of video and web consumption.
yes the kindle can handle it but a native tablet can do it better. also please consider the smaller ram, processor and non expandable memory
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YMMV. I had been debating on weather to buy a KF or an ASUS Transformer. I know, huge difference in price and specs. My co-worker has had an ASUS for a couple of months now and he loves it. But I ask him what he does with it and he plays a few games, checks email, facebook, internet...maybe watch a few videos and listen to music.
Well I bought the KF this week from WM and promptly rooted and flashed CM7 (barebones). I couldn't be happier. It does all of the things I just mentioned. It may not play Tegra games....but that's not a big deal. We have at home an Xbox 360, PS3, a laptop and PC, plus two iPod touches and my EVO 3D. So we are covered for gaming purposes.
Last night I watched video over my sling box Dish DVR and it worked very well. Then I watched a video over Hulu Plus and it was fantastic. Haven't tried Netflix yet (we quit a few months ago).
So for $150 (Walmart this week) vs. at least double that for the Asus or more. The KF meets my needs and probably most everyone else's too.

Swapped out ADW.Launcher EX for GO Launcher EX. GO seems to be a bit more stable than ADW and seems to be a lot more customizable. It's becoming a bit more usable. I'll probably not bother rooting and installing any ROMs until ICS becomes a bit more stable and mature.

usnret04 said:
YMMV. I had been debating on weather to buy a KF or an ASUS Transformer. I know, huge difference in price and specs. My co-worker has had an ASUS for a couple of months now and he loves it. But I ask him what he does with it and he plays a few games, checks email, facebook, internet...maybe watch a few videos and listen to music.
Well I bought the KF this week from WM and promptly rooted and flashed CM7 (barebones). I couldn't be happier. It does all of the things I just mentioned. It may not play Tegra games....but that's not a big deal. We have at home an Xbox 360, PS3, a laptop and PC, plus two iPod touches and my EVO 3D. So we are covered for gaming purposes.
Last night I watched video over my sling box Dish DVR and it worked very well. Then I watched a video over Hulu Plus and it was fantastic. Haven't tried Netflix yet (we quit a few months ago).
So for $150 (Walmart this week) vs. at least double that for the Asus or more. The KF meets my needs and probably most everyone else's too.
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i bought mine from craigslist and am pretty happy with the fire. lol i actually paid for half of it with giftcards. haha. i mostly screw around on the "tablet" but miss the hdmi and usb of the thrive sometimes. for about 100 buxs i can live without it though

RevosFTS said:
+1 btw rooting is easy as ****. The tough part is installing a recovery. At least I had a few scares
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Rooting and installing bootloader/recovery are all quite easy thanks to the Kindle Fire Utility (latest version 0.9.3 works well with latest 6.2.2 kindle firmware), but i think the hardest part for most users is getting the correct ADB drivers installed so your PC can actually speak the same language as the Kindle (there are great guides for all of this though). Once that part is done, the rest is a breeze with KFU. I just installed barebones CM7 last night and am VERY impressed. Only FC I have gotten so far is when using the XDA app. Ironic?? Happy rooting!
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beanboy89 said:
Swapped out ADW.Launcher EX for GO Launcher EX. GO seems to be a bit more stable than ADW and seems to be a lot more customizable. It's becoming a bit more usable. I'll probably not bother rooting and installing any ROMs until ICS becomes a bit more stable and mature.
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Have you found a way with GoLauncherEX to disable the status bar that's always showing? I know that some apps disable it natively, but it bugs me that the status bar is always showing as well as the GoLauncher dock. Seems repetitive. But maybe there's a way in the settings and I just couldn't find. However, I did install CM7 last night which uses ADW by default and I'm pretty impressed with how swiping down will hide the status bar/notification area and give you a totally full screen experience. Very nice for screen-gazers such as myself!

I started with root and the Go launcher which ran well but I decided to try out the beta cm9 build and it is amazing. Its still very much a work in progress but so much more suited for a tablet. Runs like a dream and most apps install with no problems. Even video is working pretty well (just no Netflix)

You could expand the kindle's memory with few wires, male/female adaptor, and a hardrive/smartphone/w.e

Lost Features in ICS from HC

The purpose of this thread is to inform potential ICS users on the features that will be lost after moving from HC to ICS.
The intention is to help users make an informed decision on whether to update.
Please help by listing what features are missing in the ICS update, compared to Honeycomb.
Features Lost after ICS update
1.) XBOX/PS3 controller support
2.) ??

Um... how about... stability? lol

Loved that home screen widget arrangement setup the way in which u could view the entire homescreens in a 3d like way plus I also miss some extra status bar actions.

OTA rooting
Easy way to root your device the best thing I lost in ICS is OTA rooting my device I had to used viperMOD prime to root my device it's work fine but its change my device to forced it root and it's not a OTA war

klau1 said:
1.) XBOX/PS3 controller support
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i still can use my dualshock3 wireless without installing any apps
i think it's only xbox controller that don't work anymore
*sorry for my english

kiats said:
i still can use my dualshock3 wireless without installing any apps
i think it's only xbox controller that don't work anymore
*sorry for my english
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+1 - PS3 controller works fine with ICS - you need to connect it via USB cable and use it like that for about a minute. Then, when you disconnect it, you can reconnect via bluetooth by pushing the middle PS button....
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Goatshocker said:
Um... how about... stability? lol
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Going on 100 hours uptime on mine, on ICS. Plus, it runs a hell of a lot smoother.
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miketoasty said:
Going on 100 hours uptime on mine, on ICS. Plus, it runs a hell of a lot smoother.
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Same here, had 250+ hours up time before I manually rebooted... And I use my TF all the time, for games, movies, music, note taking etc... My other TFs have a random reboot about once a week, hardly call that UN stable. Over all, ics has been fantastic for me and my 3 TFs, and considering that ics is still in its infancy, I can't wait for future releases... I think its stability will give ios a run for its money.
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I think its stability will give ios a run for its money.
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What makes you say that? Are there any stability issues with iOS? Also, it's not all that relevant how stable iOS is for Asus Transformer users.
It's great that your 2 TF's are stable but you can't deny that's it not like that for a good amount of people.
It took 2 HC updates to get Android stable on my TF but then it was rock solid. I like the performance of ICS and don't miss anything from HC. If only ICS were more stable (for tablets).
ICS might be in its infancy, but it won't have any chance of maturity. The next major version will be announced soon and manufacturers will turn to new devices for it. Old devices will be abandoned like usual and we'll be stuck with an infant ICS.

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Going on 100 hours uptime on mine, on ICS. Plus, it runs a hell of a lot smoother.
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So what? My N7B ran for over 500h on HC without a hickup, eventually it died because I forgot to plug the charger in before I went to bed.
The fact remains, ICS is plagued by random reboots on the TF, while HC was close to rock solid.
Therefore its less stable than HC, no matter what side of the coin youre looking at.

No way to hide the status bar. I would like to be able to use the entire screen for watching videos like I could with honeycomb.

I miss Voodoo sound module support, and it seems to me that the global max volume (integrated speakers) has been reduced since ICS upgrade.

It looks like what most people are complaining about here aren't what is missing from ICS, it is simply what developers have not updated or developed to be compatible with ICS that they were used to using in HoneyComb. Like the two posters above- Voodoo sound is in the kernel..(barring the paid version) it was not something that every user could use in HC now it is lost in ICS, simply the voodoo modules changed when they updated and supercurio has yet to get it working enough to release, but it will be soon enough.
The other poster said that he misses being able to hide the status bar..it is possible (I think there is already an app that does this now), and certain ROMs can have this function added later as these commands are discovered/developed further. Example, Revolver could disable the status bar from the power menu, and AOKP for ICS (on my phone, haven't tried the TF101 version yet) can hide or show the status bar (my phone has integrated soft buttons, so showing the status bar is a new thing for it).
The main thing that HAS been lost are certain APIs that google realized had compromising code in it that would allow, for example, an advertisement in a webview application to access your contacts, data, etc. So what it is missing, in the end, might be a good thing for your security..

yeah, but what about the smooth 720p playback? previously the Transformer handles 720p youtube content very well, nowadays it just stutter on heavy scenes. Even 720p mp4 doesnt play as smooth as last time. How i miss those days when I watch 720p TV series and movies on my TF

Voodoo sound but ICS is so smooth, especially surfing the Net.
Using Teameos ROM and will never go back to Honeycomb.

Rooted Stock vs ICS

I've been playing around with several of the great ICS Roms for the Kindle Fire, especially once the 3.0 kernel really got rolling. Since this is the only device I currently have that can run any type of ICS, it's still fairly new to me. I was wondering what advantages people saw to ICS on the KF vs. using a rooted version of stock (like MoDaCo), and vice versa.
Please note, this isn't in any way meant to disparage the great work all the devs are doing with the kernel and different ICS Roms.
Here's my initial take (and please note, these are just my opinions), but would love more opinions.
Rooted stock
1. Stock reader: To me, the reader on the stock (or rooter stock) rom is much better than the Kindle for Android app
2. Kindle Fire apps: If you bought any, like I did before I started changing roms around, than you can still use these. Haven't been able to do so (yet) with any of the ICS roms
3. Market: Because it's rooted, I still have access to Google Play as well (limited to Gingerbread apps I'm sure) (don't know if this is really an advantage per se, but I thought it was a worthwhile point)
4. Battery: I had better battery life with the stock rom than with any of the ICS roms (*Note*: I know this item is likely temporary, since a lot of work is going into the 3.0 kernel)
5. Stability: Obviously, the ICS/3.0 items are still being worked on, so for now, the stock is likely going to experience fewer things like FCs and dropped WiFi (*Note*: Again, i'm sure this is temporary)
ICS
1. Interface: Likely a big reason many people switch over, the ICS interface is (to me) much cleaner and more user-friendly. Also, more customizable
1a. Tablet specific: Since ICS was created for for phones and tablets, the interface also works really well for a tablet, instead of just being a port of a phone interface.
2. USB OTG: I know this is a big point for a lot of people with the 3.0 kernel development, but having this even working a little is definitely a bonus
Thanks all.

The modaco rooted stock also has kindle owners lending library and amazon instant video. The ics doesn't.
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ICS is faster and more customizable. I think that's reason enough for me.

Dropped wifi is damn annoying but I'll live with it until something can be done.
Battery life for me has been about the same for me with stock and ICS though.

In the end, it's all about the apps for me so stock wins out over ICS. But the interface is so much smoother on ICS, and because hardware acceleration works it's now a much tougher choice to make.

Aesrys said:
I've been playing around with several of the great ICS Roms for the Kindle Fire, especially once the 3.0 kernel really got rolling. Since this is the only device I currently have that can run any type of ICS, it's still fairly new to me. I was wondering what advantages people saw to ICS on the KF vs. using a rooted version of stock (like MoDaCo), and vice versa.
Please note, this isn't in any way meant to disparage the great work all the devs are doing with the kernel and different ICS Roms.
Here's my initial take (and please note, these are just my opinions), but would love more opinions.
Rooted stock
1. Stock reader: To me, the reader on the stock (or rooter stock) rom is much better than the Kindle for Android app
2. Kindle Fire apps: If you bought any, like I did before I started changing roms around, than you can still use these. Haven't been able to do so (yet) with any of the ICS roms
3. Market: Because it's rooted, I still have access to Google Play as well (limited to Gingerbread apps I'm sure) (don't know if this is really an advantage per se, but I thought it was a worthwhile point)
4. Battery: I had better battery life with the stock rom than with any of the ICS roms (*Note*: I know this item is likely temporary, since a lot of work is going into the 3.0 kernel)
5. Stability: Obviously, the ICS/3.0 items are still being worked on, so for now, the stock is likely going to experience fewer things like FCs and dropped WiFi (*Note*: Again, i'm sure this is temporary)
ICS
1. Interface: Likely a big reason many people switch over, the ICS interface is (to me) much cleaner and more user-friendly. Also, more customizable
1a. Tablet specific: Since ICS was created for for phones and tablets, the interface also works really well for a tablet, instead of just being a port of a phone interface.
2. USB OTG: I know this is a big point for a lot of people with the 3.0 kernel development, but having this even working a little is definitely a bonus
Thanks all.
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Rooted stock.
1. It's actually the same all behind the scenes.. could be placebo that makes stock feel nicer.
2. Just download the amazon app store and any app you bought on amazon will be available on an device or os.
3. Google play is google play. Not sure about it being limited to anything though. I think it uses galaxy tab 10.1 build.prop.
4. Seems about the same to mee. Unles you are pre 4/28 kernel and your unit wad not deep sleeping right.
5. On energy ics with 4/28 kernel I have not yet dropped WiFi or had a single FC. But.on previous builds it was pretty unstable.
ICS.
1. It is nice, but not having the full screen for icons sucks. Is like an asop build at some point. Still better than stock 6.3 with go launcher.
2.USB host is kick ass..
Bottom line.
If you need book borrowing or amazon streaming then stock non rooted is really the best way to go. Of you could care leas about borrowing or streaming (srsly, netflix and hulu have twice the content and its not a dollar f-ing 99 PER episode!! wtf amazon.. 80 bucks a year for prime and that's how you do me? 1.99 per episode of New Girl? Die in a fire amazon...)
Ics on kindle is amazing I like to bring it to best buy and WoW the retarded pc sales guys.. lol.
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Serinety said:
Rooted stock.
1. It's actually the same all behind the scenes.. could be placebo that makes stock feel nicer.
2. Just download the amazon app store and any app you bought on amazon will be available on an device or os.
3. Google play is google play. Not sure about it being limited to anything though. I think it uses galaxy tab 10.1 build.prop.
4. Seems about the same to mee. Unles you are pre 4/28 kernel and your unit wad not deep sleeping right.
5. On energy ics with 4/28 kernel I have not yet dropped WiFi or had a single FC. But.on previous builds it was pretty unstable.
ICS.
1. It is nice, but not having the full screen for icons sucks. Is like an asop build at some point. Still better than stock 6.3 with go launcher.
2.USB host is kick ass..
Bottom line.
If you need book borrowing or amazon streaming then stock non rooted is really the best way to go. Of you could care leas about borrowing or streaming (srsly, netflix and hulu have twice the content and its not a dollar f-ing 99 PER episode!! wtf amazon.. 80 bucks a year for prime and that's how you do me? 1.99 per episode of New Girl? Die in a fire amazon...)
Ics on kindle is amazing I like to bring it to best buy and WoW the retarded pc sales guys.. lol.
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Thanks for the reply. A couple of counter-points to yours:
1. The stock reader is actually a bit different from the Kindle App. The stock reader handles things like margins and line spacing better than the android app. I tested this out with the same book on both. I think the ICS android app still needs some work, as the Gingerbread/CM7 version also looks better than than ICS one (my opinion).
2. Actually, even installing the Amazon App store will typically not let you install games/apps with the Kindle Fire Edition moniker. Most apps will work just fine, you're correct, but any of those specific ones (I think mostly games, but could be others) won't even show up, much less install. Folks have even tried the full titanium backup/restore with mixed results. So, if you don't have any of these kinds of apps, this is really a non-issue.
Thanks.

I was staying away from ICS due to lack of hw accel, but I switched over recently.
However, I saw that Wired magazine app doesn't work on ICS so I had to return back to stock.
Now, I'm considering dualbooting ICS with stock. It seems to be the most viable option.

Aesrys said:
1. Stock reader: To me, the reader on the stock (or rooter stock) rom is much better than the Kindle for Android app
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Have you checked out an app called FBReader? Personally, I prefer it over the Kindle Reader app, and it could negate one of stock's "good points"...

Dasanko said:
Have you checked out an app called FBReader? Personally, I prefer it over the Kindle Reader app, and it could negate one of stock's "good points"...
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No, I haven't heard of it, but I'll give it a look, thanks.

I've tried both and found ICS slower on calling up web pages.
I really don't see what it adds to the party over and above Modaco.
I would describe ICS as more like tossed salad as in it's all over the place.
Also Amazon Appstore wouldn't install or me on ICS. Maybe because I am outside the US

Any app that is designated as [Kindle Fire Edition] will only work on the stock KF. So that's something to think about when buying apps from Amazon Appstore. I really hate the KF UI and much prefer ICS. The home page carousel is the worst.

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Any app that is designated as [Kindle Fire Edition] will only work on the stock KF. So that's something to think about when buying apps from Amazon Appstore. I really hate the KF UI and much prefer ICS. The home page carousel is the worst.
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I was actually able to get one Kindle Fire Edition app to work on ICS, Dead Space. Had to to a backup using Titanium Backup from MoDaCo and then restore to ICS. Of course, I likely won't get any updates. Funny thing is, this same process wouldn't work for 2 Gameloft games (DH2 and Asphalt 6).

Official TF300T Jelly Bean Impressions

I haven't gotten the update yet but for those who have, please share impressions. Good, bad or whatever. Given how underwhelming stock ICS is on this tab, I wonder how stock JB stacks. I'm glad this is officially out because chances are I'll resort to an official JB custom ROM that'll make this tab sing than stick with stock.

JellyBean is here!
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I haven't gotten the update yet but for those who have, please share impressions. Good, bad or whatever. Given how underwhelming stock ICS is on this tab, I wonder how stock JB stacks. I'm glad this is officially out because chances are I'll resort to an official JB custom ROM that'll make this tab sing than stick with stock.
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Just got the update. I've tooled around just a few minutes, but other than the unlock function, I can't really see much different. It definitely is not an overwhelming change like ICS was for me. I'll come back with more as I spend more time with it.
I am looking forward to installing Google Now, however, that would be great on my Razr Maxx too.

Google now didn't come with update?!?!?
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I have google now at least i think i do. It shows in the lock screen and I asked it for tomorrow's weather and worked wonderfully
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I am looking forward to installing Google Now, however, that would be great on my Razr Maxx too.
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you mean there's no google now and you're trying to "install" it?
the new voice search and google now are the main reason i want to update
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I have google now at least i think i do. It shows in the lock screen and I asked it for tomorrow's weather and worked wonderfully
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thanks, it talks back to you, right?

Isn't Google now an in built feature? Should be somewhere in the notification drawer.

No love for the European TF300s.. :S just checked for update but found nothing, do any of you guys have clue when the European updates might be incoming?

Yeah it talked back to me stating the weather forecast.
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The interface hasn't changed but after my second reboot, this thing is runniing SO much faster. I can actaully update apps from the play store without the dreaded Wait/Close prompt. Transitions are much smoother (Animation for changing Home Screens and swipping through my app list.

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The interface hasn't changed but after my second reboot, this thing is runniing SO much faster. I can actaully update apps from the play store without the dreaded Wait/Close prompt. Transitions are much smoother (Animation for changing Home Screens and swipping through my app list.
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Good to know...seems like the I/o issues have been fixed.
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Some changes i've noticed:
- it runs smoother than .30, really smoother, at least smoother. i noticed slow-ness when open quickoffice hd in power saving mode when it was .30, now with the same power saving mode, it's faster (like about 2-3 seconds), quickoffice is kinda a heavy apps i think, of course you won't have any problem in balanced or performance mode.
- new animation when open or exit apps, and i like it, of course the animation runs smooth too
- you can now disable the smartdimmer feature in settings->asus customized settings (thanks to jgaf he figured out this)
- because of google new voice search, we now have a new text-to-speech engine (the same as google voice search), and she sounds "sweet", the old one is gone, imo the old one sucks, can't really here anything, this new one is better than siri, sounds better, at least with the English US i believe.
- of course we have a new google voice search and google now, which is the feature i've been waiting for, help me practice my english
- looks like google has changed the "Tab UI" a little bit, for example: on .30 firmware, when you go to settings->apps you see "Downloaded", "Running", "All", to switch between these "tabs" you have to tap on them, but now with jelly bean, you can swipe left and right to switch, also the "tab menu" looks nicer (like windows phone i think)

so... no flash player with this update?? I think i might skip it just because of that.

TurboX2 said:
so... no flash player with this update?? I think i might skip it just because of that.
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Try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1839691

TurboX2 said:
so... no flash player with this update?? I think i might skip it just because of that.
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If you had flash already installed you don't need to worry about it. I still have flash player and it works.
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Anyone with JB update can say anthing about the ram usage? tks

kungfuusheep said:
Anyone with JB update can say anthing about the ram usage? tks
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before the update i got around 600 MB free
after the update around 300 MB free

kungfuusheep said:
Anyone with JB update can say anthing about the ram usage? tks
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Same as nooktablet with about 300MB free after. I usually had 500-600MB before.
And I unrooted without Voodoo before the update. Not able to root at this point.

nooktablet said:
before the update i got around 600 MB free
after the update around 300 MB free
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jdk2 said:
Same as nooktablet with about 300MB free after. I usually had 500-600MB before.
And I unrooted without Voodoo before the update. Not able to root at this point.
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Do you notice any performance issues when you are running your usual apps or games as compared to before?

The browser doesn't do all of the lag dancing that it used to do. Haven't seen the wait/close dialog yet. There's some different animations in your installed apps section the Play store when updating an app. ES File Explorer seems to be having some issues though as it's forced closed twice while trying to copy files from my home network, something I've never seen ever. Been using it on three phones and this tablet and never experienced a problem until now.

jdk2 said:
The browser doesn't do all of the lag dancing that it used to do. Haven't seen the wait/close dialog yet. There's some different animations in your installed apps section the Play store when updating an app. ES File Explorer seems to be having some issues though as it's forced closed twice while trying to copy files from my home network, something I've never seen ever. Been using it on three phones and this tablet and never experienced a problem until now.
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I'm sure they will release an update: i know that JB has been wreaking havoc with some developers on the play store
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Anyone else worrying about the web browsing experience?

I've got a galaxy note running Samsung's leaked jb ROM. It's dam quick, and web browsing is enjoyable with the stock browser but no way near as fluid and quick with chrome.
Considering this I'm worried the n4 will be lumbered with a browser (chrome) that is already behind the stock android browser. Dolphin beta it's pretty quick but no flash.
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Stock "Internet" and "Browser" are around somewhere. AOSP browsers are easily installed if you don't like the Chrome browser.

I think flash player support being dropped from android is going to be a bigger concern than the browser IMO. Although the last flash player still works with JB, eventually something will changed in android firmware updates that breaks it.

Firefox ?

shure2 said:
I've got a galaxy note running Samsung's leaked jb ROM. It's dam quick, and web browsing is enjoyable with the stock browser but no way near as fluid and quick with chrome.
Considering this I'm worried the n4 will be lumbered with a browser (chrome) that is already behind the stock android browser. Dolphin beta it's pretty quick but no flash.
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It's very possible that Chrome is weak because you are running a leaked JB rom.
I've run Chrome on my EVO 3D (with CM9), Asus Transformer (CM9), HP TouchPad (CM9) and HTC One S (CM10) and it runs perfectly. Fluid. Quick. Feature filled.
Also, it is not behind the stock Android browser. Now Chrome IS the stock Android browser as far as Google is concerned.

I agree, on my Nexus 7, Chrome was very smooth. On any other device that hadn't an official ROM, it was crap.

Chrome sucks on every device including the nexus 7 I am sending this from. It is so laggy and not 60 fps by any means. I hear there is an update coming soon though to make it better.
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We can't be sure of anything until we get 4.2. Off topic: How long do you think they'll support the N7 with updates?

CJHolderUK said:
We can't be sure of anything until we get 4.2. Off topic: How long do you think they'll support the N7 with updates?
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As long as the hardware can handle it.
The Nexus S (512mb RAM, single core) has 4.1.1, so i reckon a long time!

theoneofgod said:
As long as the hardware can handle it.
The Nexus S (512mb RAM, single core) has 4.1.1, so i reckon a long time!
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No reason not too, after all how hard is it to update stock android? It doesn't have a skin or anything to update.