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Thought some of you might, or might not, like to read this:
http://www.slashgear.com/sprint-tea...n-as-2013-in-clearwire-negotiations-03137666/

elegantai said:
Thought some of you might, or might not, like to read this:
http://www.slashgear.com/sprint-tea...n-as-2013-in-clearwire-negotiations-03137666/
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Can someone explain what would happen if they do decide to go with LTE? Would that mean that places without 4g currently at the time of contract will have to wait now for LTE 4g network to be set up. Currently, I am in Michigan with no 4g and it sucks because I have had my Evo since last year waiting for 4g. Now all of a sudden Verizon and Tmobile have 4g in my city. WTF!!!

bsmoove386 said:
Can someone explain what would happen if they do decide to go with LTE? Would that mean that places without 4g currently at the time of contract will have to wait now for LTE 4g network to be set up. Currently, I am in Michigan with no 4g and it sucks because I have had my Evo since last year waiting for 4g. Now all of a sudden Verizon and Tmobile have 4g in my city. WTF!!!
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If it were to happen, which I still doubt (sprint has too much invested in wimax), it would take at least a few years. And during that time there would be a switchover from wimax phones to lte, so people probably wouldnt be affected too much.

bsmoove386 said:
Can someone explain what would happen if they do decide to go with LTE? Would that mean that places without 4g currently at the time of contract will have to wait now for LTE 4g network to be set up. Currently, I am in Michigan with no 4g and it sucks because I have had my Evo since last year waiting for 4g. Now all of a sudden Verizon and Tmobile have 4g in my city. WTF!!!
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Well, Verizon doesn't have to deal with Clearwire, which is Sprint's WiMax provider. They are the reason that WiMax hasn't spread as much as it should. And TMobile's "4G" isn't even 4G, its just a beefed up 3G network. I know that Sprint's 4G towers can be "converted" into LTE towers by just a simple firmware update, but I am pretty sure the hardware in the phones that support WiMax can't be changed. I may be wrong though. I believe that's why Sprint is now releasing smartphones without 4G support, because of the uncertainty of their deal with Clearwire. Again, this is all just what I think, but honestly, I'd rather have TMobile's "4G" than have to deal with LTE. I really REALLY do not want to own an LTE device. I really hope that Clearwire can fix itself and start deploying more towers, because then we won't have to deal with LTE. But we'll see what happens.

From what I have read, once Sprint's infrastructure clean up happens they will have 800 mHz spectrum leftover from the iDen network. This could go to LTE.

Tuffgong4 said:
From what I have read, once Sprint's infrastructure clean up happens they will have 800 mHz spectrum leftover from the iDen network. This could go to LTE.
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Didn't the DoD buy the iDen network a while back? I thought they were supposed take over it after Sprint phased it out.

Tuffgong4 said:
From what I have read, once Sprint's infrastructure clean up happens they will have 800 mHz spectrum leftover from the iDen network. This could go to LTE.
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That's a no go at 800mhz for Sprint. The reason is because they only have 14mhz of spectrum there. LTE needs 20mhz of spectrum (I think there's something with TD-LTE that can get by on 15mhz, but they're still short there).
From what I've read, 800 mhz will go CDMA with PTT. If they wanted, they could use 10mhz of it for LTE, but would need to go to 1900mhz for any additional spectrum they would need. Because of this, it would make more sense to move their current CDMA service to 800mhz and install LTE at 1900mhz.

New Article on T-Mobile Refarming 1900hmz Spectrum

I know this has been rumored before, but here it is straight from the horse's mouth.
http://blog.t-mobile.com/2012/03/13/t-mobile-expands-4g-network-to-new-cities/
Snippet here:
We are also going to make more effective use of the spectrum we already have by refarming a portion of our 1900 MHz PCS spectrum to support HSPA+ services, which frees up additional AWS spectrum for LTE
If I am not mistaken that would also make our Galaxy Notes compatible as well! Which would make me very...

damm
that would be Great!

Tmo USA's 1900mhz band is for 2G. So all they are saying is that they will use some of their 2G spectrum to expand their HSPA+ (1700mhz) and LTE (700mhz) network.

Spartoi said:
Tmo USA's 1900mhz band is for 2G. So all they are saying is that they will use some of their 2G spectrum to expand their HSPA+ (1700mhz) and LTE (700mhz) network.
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Taken from the article...
"Will refarming make your network compatible with the iPhone? And will you stop offering 2G services? A nice side benefit of the refarming effort is that our 4G network will be compatible with a broader range of devices, including the iPhone."

That would be a great way for TMo to steal some customers from AT&T and add to their user base when the AT&T users bring their own device (BYOD), since their plan prices are better.

adelmundo said:
That would be a great way for TMo to steal some customers from AT&T and add to their user base when the AT&T users bring their own device (BYOD), since their plan prices are better.
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Yah, and at least in my area T-Mobile has better reception & faster data speeds. So, I will jump over as soon as this becomes a reality. *fingers crossed*

This alone will bring Tmobile to 3rd. If they also market themselves as a carrier that isn't afraid of being a dumb pipe, they will foster despite not having any hero phones of their own.

Here's a new post over on the T-Mobile forums.
http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/21487?start=30&tstart=0

how does tmobile refarm hspa to 1900

how does tmobile change hspa to 1900 band ? do they replace something in the towers? i just want to know how that works

bgaccord said:
how does tmobile change hspa to 1900 band ? do they replace something in the towers? i just want to know how that works
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They get a tiller and replant the used seed.

TMobile uses 1900MHz for their old 2G edge network. They will upgrade the Edge towers to HSPA+ 3G.
For those that arent aware: If you use iphones or any other at&t phone with t-mobile sim, you notice this is the slow network you can use. The upgrade will allow you to use the at&t devices at HSPA+ 3G speeds... which is very inviting for at&t customers to transfer to t-mobile on the same handsets they already purchased. Or IPHONE/IPAD fans to use t-mobile services.

Just curious, anyone familiar which areas the refarming is being deployed first?
I'm in NJ and would like to get the One X, but not sure if NJ/NY will get refarmed first. Although I recall when HSPA first rolled out, NJ/NY got them sooner than the others....
I'd like to test out my sim with an unlocked iphone, but my iphone is 1st gen, meaning no 3g capability at all lol.....so if anyone can test please let us know.
thanks

bangsters said:
Just curious, anyone familiar which areas the refarming is being deployed first?
I'm in NJ and would like to get the One X, but not sure if NJ/NY will get refarmed first. Although I recall when HSPA first rolled out, NJ/NY got them sooner than the others....
I'd like to test out my sim with an unlocked iphone, but my iphone is 1st gen, meaning no 3g capability at all lol.....so if anyone can test please let us know.
thanks
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Mostly the west coast -- Northern California, Nevada

http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/21487?start=30&tstart=0
New info up today at the T-Mobile forums.

I online chat with the tmobile people and they said tmobile already changed 1900 mhz in my area Brooklyn, NY.

bangsters said:
Just curious, anyone familiar which areas the refarming is being deployed first?
I'm in NJ and would like to get the One X, but not sure if NJ/NY will get refarmed first. Although I recall when HSPA first rolled out, NJ/NY got them sooner than the others....
I'd like to test out my sim with an unlocked iphone, but my iphone is 1st gen, meaning no 3g capability at all lol.....so if anyone can test please let us know.
thanks
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Been thinking the exact same thing. NYC should be refarmed first.

Galaxy s3 on tmobile

http://www.tmonews.com/2012/06/t-mo...00mhz-network-iphone-at-wwdc-next-week-maybe/
Looks like we will be able to use 4g hspa+ on the 1900MHz band. Im pretty happy about this since the international version is much better than the U.S version in terms of the processor.

While upgrading coverage inside the West side of the Moscone Center, T-Mobile has also deployed 4G HSPA+ service in the 1900 MHz band to test the live network on a small scale. As part of the company’s previously announced $4 billion network modernization effort, T-Mobile plans to launch 4G HSPA+ service in the 1900 MHz band in a large number of markets by the end of the year, which will make our 4G network compatible with a broader range of devices, including the iPhone.
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Careful here.

Yeah, as much as I'd love the international version for dev support and possible "more future proof" because of the exynos quad core, I'm hesitant to rely on Tmo's "future plans". I have screaming 1700Mhz in my neighborhood and consistently get 9mb/s down on my GN. I could only imagine what a HSPA+42 device would get. Probably 25mbps lol.

Why start a new thread it has been beat to death... it's planned for end of year... period... it's a big country, only few markets will be tested...and how dependable is it going to be while they are building, testing,and stabilizing it at the same time...
I remember this being announced around Christmas time if not earlier... it's not happening over night
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Are these speeds LTE level?

I know T- mobile is rolling out their 1900mhz band across the US this year, and in the last few days I've noticed much better signal strength and I just ran a speedtest and was very impressed by the results. I've had better upload results but this is by far the fastest upload speeds I've seen on the mobile data network.
Showed the 'H' icon next to the signal bars, I wonder if our phones will ever show 'LTE'?
I know I'm getting 4G but never says 4G. Always just 'H'.
Anyway, here's a screen if the results:
http://db.tt/V0IaSyjO
Close to 20Mbps!

Haha, I, as well as many others in this forum have been getting 20-25 off HSPA 42. There is an internal setting in the Nexus 4 to enable LTE, and if you connect to LTE, it shows the appropriate symbol, too. Currently, the flavor of LTE that the Nexus likes is only available in Canada (and maybe other places, but not US yet as far as I know), but it's starting to get deployed in the US via T-Mobile. It started off in Las Vegas and Kansas, or will be starting off, so if you're not in either of those places, you probably don't have LTE.

AW: Are these speeds LTE level?
Look under Settings-About the phone- status, there you can see the type of connection
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Its always gonna say h. There are ROMS that replace the icon with a 4g icon but most of them leave them as is. That doesnt mean your not getting 4g , plus those speeds look very good to me
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Those speeds are excellent for 4g, but with lte you're going to see upload speeds as fast as your download speeds.

yahoowizard said:
Haha, I, as well as many others in this forum have been getting 20-25 off HSPA 42. There is an internal setting in the Nexus 4 to enable LTE, and if you connect to LTE, it shows the appropriate symbol, too. Currently, the flavor of LTE that the Nexus likes is only available in Canada (and maybe other places, but not US yet as far as I know), but it's starting to get deployed in the US via T-Mobile. It started off in Las Vegas and Kansas, or will be starting off, so if you're not in either of those places, you probably don't have LTE.
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All good to know.
I'm in Seattle regularly, which was one if the first places T-Mobile rolled out their 1900mhz LTE service, do how do I turn on this internal setting you mentioned?
Thanks.

Globespy said:
All good to know.
I'm in Seattle regularly, which was one if the first places T-Mobile rolled out their 1900mhz LTE service, do how do I turn on this internal setting you mentioned?
Thanks.
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T-Mobile isn't rolling out LTE on 1900mhz. That's just 3G.
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joshnichols189 said:
T-Mobile isn't rolling out LTE on 1900mhz. That's just 3G.
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Interesting, I've received different information. I've spoken with level 3 tech support numerous times about the roll out of their 1900mhz band during 2013 across the US, and they confirmed that their version of LTE will use the 1900mhz frequency (which, incidentally is the most highly used global frequency for high speed data - I'm a British and Australian Citizen as well as US Citizen and use my phones worldwide). The 700mhz frequency is for Verizon LTE phones, so T-Mobiles decision to run 1900mhz will mean that AT&T customers can move to T-Mobile with their existing phones
Their current 3G and 4G runs on 1700mhz - of course your phone will only get 4G if it's hardware capable of 4G.
Here's an article that will explain it all for you:
http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/articles/4GNetworkEvolutionVendorsSelected

Uhh
Globespy said:
Interesting, I've received different information. I've spoken with level 3 tech support numerous times about the roll out of their 1900mhz band during 2013 across the US, and they confirmed that their version of LTE will use the 1900mhz frequency (which, incidentally is the most highly used global frequency for high speed data - I'm a British and Australian Citizen as well as US Citizen and use my phones worldwide). The 700mhz frequency is for Verizon LTE phones, so T-Mobiles decision to run 1900mhz will mean that AT&T customers can move to T-Mobile with their existing phones
Their current 3G and 4G runs on 1700mhz - of course your phone will only get 4G if it's hardware capable of 4G.
Here's an article that will explain it all for you:
http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/articles/4GNetworkEvolutionVendorsSelected
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I don't need an article.. T-Mobile is deploying band 4 LTE over 1700/2100mhz frequencies. The 1900mhz band is being refarmed to HSPAP which will allow AT&T users to use HSPAP on T-Mobile. This also allows T-Mobile to stop using 1700/2100 for HSPAP since they will be using it for LTE.
If you are calling T-Mobile and expecting their "level 3 tech support" to know anything, you're doing it wrong.
Also the article you posted even proves my point.. "Refarming 1900mhz for '4G HSPAP'"
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joshnichols189 said:
Uhh
I don't need an article.. T-Mobile is deploying band 4 LTE over 1700/2100mhz frequencies. The 1900mhz band is being refarmed to HSPAP which will allow AT&T users to use HSPAP on T-Mobile. This also allows T-Mobile to stop using 1700/2100 for HSPAP since they will be using it for LTE.
If you are calling T-Mobile and expecting their "level 3 tech support" to know anything, you're doing it wrong.
Also the article you posted even proves my point.. "Refarming 1900mhz for '4G HSPAP'"
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Thanks for your clarification. Good to know that we will get LTE regardless as the phone supports all those bands.
And, yes their tech support had been I'll informed before.... I was hoping that since several different people had said the same thing that there was consistency... Seems consistently crap information. However, 1700mhz currently is 4G, so moving it to 1900mhz is to improve signal strength through buildings etc right?
I've since looked at comparisons between HSPA+ and LTE... seems that LTE has a significant edge uploading, not that great of a difference download (especially as download speeds are often limited by the site you visit, regardless of how fast your carrier speed).
I'm sure I'll be happy with HSPS+ as I rarely upload much more than photos I take on my phone camera, and current 4G is plenty sufficient as it is..