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anybody in new york or been to new york with your athena to see if it works with the new upcomming t mobile 3g network? they say its running on 1700 freq.
anybody have luck or an answer for this one?
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anybody in new york or been to new york with your athena to see if it works with the new upcomming t mobile 3g network? they say its running on 1700 freq.
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that would be a no then, 2100Mhz is what the athena is capable of AFAIK
I have used the Athena on both T-Mobile and AT&T Networks in the US without issues.
I also have had no problems with T-mo in my area (central NJ) using 3g. I'm using an x7501...TJ
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I also have had no problems with T-mo in my area (central NJ) using 3g. I'm using an x7501...TJ
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that seems odd, Current roms do not have the T-Mobile US band included, nor is the current radio capable of running the t-mobile 1700 band in the USA. ATT band is 3g/UTMS 850/1900 and Europe is 3g/UTMS 800/2100
T-Mobile Edge would work fine though
Hi, sometimes the 3g pop's up on my x7501 its not all the time but next time it does I will take a screen shot of it. Maybe its an error I have no idea...TJ
some roms incorrectly show that instead of edge !
Ok thanks...TJ
So is it possible to get T-mo 3g on athena?
T-mo finally rooled out 3g in my area, I thought my athena was 3g capable and could fly through the internet and never deal with slate Flinstone tablets and EDGE again! Sadly we do?
Their 3g is rolled out on 1700/2100 band only, so to exit the EDGE stone age, we must buy the G1 (not even close to x7501) or ask a crazy question to those in the know. Is the frequency band offered on a phone limited and fixed by the ROM / hardware, or is it software driven where a patch / upgrade could expand it's operantional band to include 1700/2100 UMTS alongside the voice 850/1900 band?
I can connect easily to TMobile. I get the "E" sign showing on the antennae.
anx7501 said:
T-mo finally rooled out 3g in my area, I thought my athena was 3g capable and could fly through the internet and never deal with slate Flinstone tablets and EDGE again! Sadly we do?
Their 3g is rolled out on 1700/2100 band only, so to exit the EDGE stone age, we must buy the G1 (not even close to x7501) or ask a crazy question to those in the know. Is the frequency band offered on a phone limited and fixed by the ROM / hardware, or is it software driven where a patch / upgrade could expand it's operantional band to include 1700/2100 UMTS alongside the voice 850/1900 band?
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It is hardware driven. Unfortunately this is why I'm going to switch over to AT & T because of the downgrade to get 3g service from a phone that NO OTHER Networks in the world uses is pointless IMHO. I don't know what T Mo was drinking or smoking, and when I asked the level 1 techs they said no future talks or expectations of using the NORMAL 1900/2100 Frequency like other 3g networks. Sux if you ask me.
Thanks for the note on hardware capability
I got similar responses from the techs at T-mo except I also got a moment of false hope when one incorrectly told me that their 3g is on 1900, I went nuts trying, then called back & someone else told me that it was in fact on 1700/2100. As I've been reading, their reason (though a huge pain in the ass for us) was to separate voice and data so one wouldn't steal bandwith from the other. Makes sense, though it would be easier to deal with if I had some REAL options other than G1 and crappy kids phones.
Since T-Mo has the best price for some pretty decent service (except EDGE that is), I've heard of some T-Mo users getting just an AT&T data plan alongside T-Mo voice, I'm not sure how it's done, do you need 1/2 simms, or what. If you find yourself doing this, I would like to hear your feedback.
Otherwise, I'll keep my fingers crossed that HTC will use some common sense, and use 1700/2100 in future US versions.
Saw this news story, does anyone know if it is credible? The NextG Service is on the 850MHz band which is the same as Rogers/Fido in Canada and Cingular in the US...if all this is true then one of these unlocked would be 3G Compatible in North America...Thoughts?
http://apcmag.com/iphonelike_htc_touch_hd_set_for_aussie_launch.htm
http://www.expansys.com.au/d.aspx?i=173812
Well that would suck for me because about 3 hours ago I got an iPhone because I really needed 3g already I do ally of browsing and videos but I like the touch he better....
What is the exact issue with North America and the Touch HD? I thought HSDPA was fully supported in our continent under most major providers. Just curious as I'm looking at purchasing one in the future.
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What is the exact issue with North America and the Touch HD? I thought HSDPA was fully supported in our continent under most major providers. Just curious as I'm looking at purchasing one in the future.
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The Touch HD that is out now operates on UMTS 900/2100. Telstra in Australia and the North American providers (except T-Mobile) use UMTS 850.
hopefully it is just some software that HTC did. cuz we do have that option to change it to 850MHz 3G in the phone but just nothing happens to it. If a flash can fix it then it should be ok. EDGE for me is pretty fast anyways in Toronto most of the time.
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Saw this news story, does anyone know if it is credible? The NextG Service is on the 850MHz band which is the same as Rogers/Fido in Canada and Cingular in the US...if all this is true then one of these unlocked would be 3G Compatible in North America...Thoughts?
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850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
850/1900Mhz....
could someone please explain the upload/download at different frequencies paradigm to me?
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850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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This is incorrect. With at&t you do not need both. With just 850mHz you will be more than fine.
Now with T-Mobile you would need both 1700 and 2100 not just 2100 or just 1700 both. Just more reason to hate T-Mobile.
I am ready to take the plunge and drop the $ for an HD. I also will switch my number back to at&t from verizon. I guessi cna say almost ready. I really dont want to spend $800 for no 3G
Does anyone know how hspa in Canada with Rogers/Fido works? i.e. are dual frequencies required or is 850MHz enough to get top speeds? Thanks...
Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?
Some carriers in the US and Canada use 850mhz such as AT&T and Rogers but they also use 1900mhz. It really depends where you live... Whiich city, state etc
1900mhz is growing in popularity in the states.
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Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?
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could someone please explain the upload/download at different frequencies paradigm to me?
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I can't remember which but one is used for uploading and one is used for downloading.
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850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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You are exactly right. YOu need both 1900 and 850mhz
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Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?
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Sadly, no 3G for me.
You do not need both 1900 and 850. Its only tmobile that u need both frequenes but they use 1700 and 2100. As long as u have ether 850 or 1900 (depending on what freuency ur area uses) u will have 3g with at&t.
cortez.i said:
850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
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No, the *network* you use may be present on more than one frequency, but its not 850 being uplink and 1700 being the downlink.
When we talk about UMTS the downlink is around 850/1700/2100 but the uplink is always a few MHz below that. (to be pedantic, the UMTS specification specifies the exact downlink/uplink separation)
I can't imagine HTC producing a UMTS 850 phone that won't work on ATT/Rogers and Telstra . Telstra only needs the 850 band so HTC can add in whatever extra the US providers use. It will probably be the same bands supported by the HTC Hermes and other phones common to these providers.
for AT&T, you do NOT need both frequencies (850 and 1900) for 3G. They don't HAVE both frequencies in most areas. It's one or the other.
And yes, T-Mobile US sucks ass...
-Mc
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No, the *network* you use may be present on more than one frequency, but its not 850 being uplink and 1700 being the downlink.
When we talk about UMTS the downlink is around 850/1700/2100 but the uplink is always a few MHz below that. (to be pedantic, the UMTS specification specifies the exact downlink/uplink separation)
I can't imagine HTC producing a UMTS 850 phone that won't work on ATT/Rogers and Telstra . Telstra only needs the 850 band so HTC can add in whatever extra the US providers use. It will probably be the same bands supported by the HTC Hermes and other phones common to these providers.
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for AT&T, you do NOT need both frequencies (850 and 1900) for 3G. They don't HAVE both frequencies in most areas. It's one or the other.
And yes, T-Mobile US sucks ass...
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Well I stand corrected then. This is good news then. Just need somebody in the US to buy a Telstra HD and see if it works. I guess it will be dependent on the area though. If you don't have 850mhz.
Lol i guess it took a senor member to say it for anyone to believe it. I only said it in the first page lol. Lets see what happens when the aus model comes out.
So it is decided then IF the Blackstone is introduced by Telstra and working on their 850MHz 3.5G Network THEN it has the opportunity to work in both the US on Att and Canada's Rogers/Fido...I will wait for this device, purchase it and let the board know if someone else doesn't beat me to it!
P.S. does someone think that this release may be with the Android OS for Telstra? It was the Telstra reps that were commenting at CES 2009 regarding Palm Pre and how the next Android phone that they were testing kicks it...who knows probably coincidence...
Just curious if anyone is using the MT4G on AT&T and how well that's working? I know we can unlock it for use with any carrier but wanted some feedback before I spend the money to get my gf (now using iphone 3gs) an MT4G to use on AT&T.
I already know that 4G won't work. I got her a Captivate for Christmas but she really likes Sense and AT&T's phones are so locked down it's stupid. Can't use custom ringtones, can't sideload apps, etc.
Can anyone help out?
So I'm doing some research and it looks like there's minial wcdma overlap which means spotty 3g coverage? Is that right? I really don't know how to interpret what I'm seeing though so I would be really appreciative for the input of someone more informed than I.
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MYTOUCH 4G
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i am using my MT4G on att and its preety good reception wise. I got 15 dollar unlimited data plan. Bec this is tmobil made hardware so i only get edge.
Why not just grab her an att nexus one and flash sense into it? Evil D's ports are really good!
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I already know that 4G won't work.
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3G won't work either. My question is why on earth would you want to take a MT4G over to the [IMO] worst network of all time?
Only bands 1& 4 right?
Although the captivate supports 2100, at&t only operates 850 & 1900 in the us. Some phones have 2100 for global roaming because that's what most others use.
While at&t does have a larger footprint, I just paid them $180 to get out of my contract and I'm much happier with tmobile. Texts actually send and web pages actually load.
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It works just fine, just slower, obviously.
And yes, it is 3G.
Let me be super clear about this... 3G WILL NOT WORK on AT&T. The MT4G just doesn't have the right radio. However, the Vibrant (surprisingly) does have the 850 band on its 3G radio, and does sort of work for AT&T.
If you want an Android phone on AT&T, I recommend buying something unlocked from Canada. Rogers and Bell both share AT&T's 3G bands (850 & 1900), and have a better selection than AT&T itself.
Really great comments here. She's got a year left on her contract, that's why. She's gonna find out her termination fee tomorrow cuz she loves my mt4g, lol.
I always knew that an N1 is definitely her best bet but can't find one used and have an mt4g in the works for $260.
We're talking slightly different things here as well. HSPDA on ATT won't work.
However, "EDGE" describes a family of service classes, not a single speed. Depending on your location and the service speeds there, EDGE may in fact be qualified to be called 3G according to the ITU (the international body that certifies this nomenclature).
As the radio in this phone most certainly does support EDGE, whether or not you can get 3G speeds on AT&T will depend on your location. For most of us this will still be a "no," but if the OP is in one of the special markets (LA, NYC, ATL) you can see it. Since OP is in Oakland, I figured he might get lucky.
I swap cards a bit on mine (one SIMM or work, and one for personal use) and have been in areas where the EDGE network was nearly as fast as the supposed 4G on the other card.
I should probably start using the that bandwith meter app and record my results. It could be interesting.
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We're talking slightly different things here as well. HSPDA on ATT won't work.
However, "EDGE" describes a family of service classes, not a single speed. Depending on your location and the service speeds there, EDGE may in fact be qualified to be called 3G according to the ITU (the international body that certifies this nomenclature)...
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EDGE is not generally considered a 3G technology, although it is a significant improvement over GPRS, and it offers speeds approaching true 3G speeds.
Calling EDGE "3G" is somewhat like T-Mobile calling HSPA+ "4G"; it's playing a little fast and loose with the definitions. I do agree that in ideal circumstances, EDGE speeds can be pretty good, but it really falters when it comes to streaming media or any other data-intensive task.
Please post questions in Q&A section.
There is an article on GSMarena (sorry, new user and can't post link) that says T-Mobile USA to support IPhone 4S at 3g speeds.
This is definitely good news. I hope it will also work on the Galaxy Note. Can anybody confirm and list your city?
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There is an article on GSMarena (sorry, new user and can't post link) that says T-Mobile USA to support IPhone 4S at 3g speeds.
This is definitely good news. I hope it will also work on the Galaxy Note. Can anybody confirm and list your city?
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T-mo 3G is 1700 mhz. AFAIK, the Note doesn't support this. So you're out of luck for 3G on T-mo USA (or any other service that backpacks onto T-mo's network, like SIMple Mobile.)
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T-mo 3G is 1700 mhz. AFAIK, the Note doesn't support this. So you're out of luck for 3G on T-mo USA (or any other service that backpacks onto T-mo's network, like SIMple Mobile.)
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Actually, the hardware is in the device for Tmo 3g 1700/2100. However, it's not enabled.
bloodyduster said:
There is an article on GSMarena (sorry, new user and can't post link) that says T-Mobile USA to support IPhone 4S at 3g speeds.
This is definitely good news. I hope it will also work on the Galaxy Note. Can anybody confirm and list your city?
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This is probably due to the likely joint operations that is likely between T-Mobile and AT&T now that AT&T's deal to buy them out looks like it won't happen.
But there are reports of Iphone 4S, which uses 1900Mhz, to run at 3g speeds on T-Mobile. If that is true, wouldn't the GNote also be capable of running at 3g speeds with its 1900 Mhz frequency?
Well if anyone has a 1900mhz phone only and gets 3G with T-Mobile, please report your location.
If I didn't have to register to that site, I would tell them: Screw the iPhone, this is where my Galaxy Note comes in.
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Actually, the hardware is in the device for Tmo 3g 1700/2100. However, it's not enabled.
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Yeah I've heard something about that. However, for all intents and purposes, until someone figures out a way to enable that, the Note is still just a quad-band 3/4G device (850/900/1900/2100) as far as I'm concerned.
As for the 4S being able to operate on T-mo's 3G, I'm willing to bet that it has more to do with the Gobi chip inside. I'm pretty sure the 4S chipset supports 1700 AWS.
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But there are reports of Iphone 4S, which uses 1900Mhz, to run at 3g speeds on T-Mobile. If that is true, wouldn't the GNote also be capable of running at 3g speeds with its 1900 Mhz frequency?
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Link Please?
The forum won't allow me to post external links until I've reached at least 8 posts.
Just google "gsmarena iphone 4s tmobile 3g" and it should be the first link.
From the different articles I've read (The Verge, Redmond Pie, etc) it seems this is only happening in parts of California and Nevada but they expect it to grow across the country in the coming months.
Is tmobile acessing AT&Ts bands to let this happen?
Here's some info about this....
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._3g_access_to_some_unlocked_iphone_users.html
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This is probably due to the likely joint operations that is likely between T-Mobile and AT&T now that AT&T's deal to buy them out looks like it won't happen.
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Deal's off.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/19/2647291/at-t-kills-t-mobile-merger-plans
i think what he is saying is that since the deal is off, tmobile can utilize those bands. (Part of the deal between tmobile and at&t was that if it didnt go through they would get 4 billion dollars and access to some of their spectrum)
Any update on this?
Anyone with a Note getting 3G at all?
I'm very tempted to pick up a t-mobile sim and grab a prepaid plan and try this on my International Note, this is great news.
Any updates on how far the 1900 MHz 3G has expanded or if us international note users can unlock our radios for 1700 AWS?
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i think what he is saying is that since the deal is off, tmobile can utilize those bands. (Part of the deal between tmobile and at&t was that if it didnt go through they would get 4 billion dollars and access to some of their spectrum)
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If I remember correctly, if the deal fell through it was almost 8 Billion dollars in penalties. 3 or 4 billion in cash or stock swaps and the balance in frequency trades and roaming deals.
So...it's probably safe to say that everyone in this forum knows about the 7 year roaming deal that AT&T has signed with T-Mobile. Does anyone have any ideas on when that will happen? And the big question...will the iPhone technically be able to be used on 3G with T-Mobile? Yes, it would only work while roaming, but would it not work for some reason? A T-Mobile rep brought up the question and I thought it was a good question. I'd like it to bring in revenues for T-Mobile...but I love my fast speed I get with T-Mobile, and 10 gazillion iPhones would do nothing but harm for that.
**Updated** Please, if anyone can check their Android phone (via *#0011#) and post if it says band II along with the city you're in at the time that it shows it! We need to find out which cities have been refarmed to 1900MHz for 3G/4G.
So, go forth and discuss
List of pentaband UMTS devices:
T-Mobile Galaxy S II (T989)
Nokia N8 and N9
T-Mobile Vibrant (T959)
Galaxy Nexus (HSPA version)
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It'd be 2G roaming. The carriers' 3G networks are incompatible. While AT&T devices will work on T-Mobile's EDGE data, it shouldn't be common enough to impact our speeds much. The only way this could possibly happen is if both AT&T and T-Mobile started selling exclusively pentaband HSPA devices. Which would be awesome on so many levels.
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It'd be 2G roaming. The carriers' 3G networks are incompatible. While AT&T devices will work on T-Mobile's EDGE data, it shouldn't be common enough to impact our speeds much. The only way this could possibly happen is if both AT&T and T-Mobile started selling exclusively pentaband HSPA devices. Which would be awesome on so many levels.
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It's 3G, check Engadget. I'm sure it's 2G as well. And I know of at least one phone that is pentaband UMTS...mine, the Galaxy S II lol
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It's 3G, check Engadget. I'm sure it's 2G as well. And I know of at least one phone that is pentaband UMTS...mine, the Galaxy S II lol
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The OP specifically asked about the iPhone, which is unable to get 3G on T-Mobile's network. So if an AT&T iPhone were to roam on T-Mobile's network, it would not get 3G speeds.
Edit: The Galaxy Nexus is also pentaband, and so are the Nokia N8 and N9. The original Vibrant is also pentaband.
The Skyrocket is also pentaband, so I'll be able to mooch off of 42.2mbps HSPA+ when I get an LTE throttle. LOL
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The Skyrocket is also pentaband, so I'll be able to mooch off of 42.2mbps HSPA+ when I get an LTE throttle. LOL
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Yes, but is it DC-HSPA+? If not, no 42.2Mbps for you!
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Yes, but is it DC-HSPA+? If not, no 42.2Mbps for you!
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Skyrocket has a more advanced modem.
Well, it's really just the T-Mobile radio with LTE slapped into it, so yes, I do have 42.2Mbps.
has anyone tried the AT&T skyrocket on T-Mobile? Does it support HSPA+ AWS? AFAIK, only LTE works on AWS for this phone.
Thanks everyone for the phones. I've been busy and couldn't really update the thread. The current gen iPhone doesn't have AWS, yes, but since the roaming agreement is UMTS, wouldn't that allow T-Mobile devices that have the ability to roam on 850/1900 bands the ability to connect to their 3G network? So jailbroken iPhones that are activated on T-Mobile could roam over to AT&T 3G, it's just that it isn't likely that AT&T would allow it.
Am I right in my assumption?
I don't think AT&T would allow it, honestly.
Edit: According to GSMArena, the Skyrocket doesn't support 1700/2100 HSPA+. Only 1700/2100 LTE.
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I don't think AT&T would allow it, honestly.
Edit: According to GSMArena, the Skyrocket doesn't support 1700/2100 HSPA+. Only 1700/2100 LTE.
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Thanks for the heads up. And when the others in the thread said the Galaxy Nexus, they were referring to the European version, correct?
Edit: it's 700/1700 for LTE and then the normal AT&T bands for WCDMA
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I don't think AT&T would allow it, honestly.
Edit: According to GSMArena, the Skyrocket doesn't support 1700/2100 HSPA+. Only 1700/2100 LTE.
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Over at the T-Mobile SGS II forums, when I flashed a T-Mo SGS II modem, I gained access to 1700/2100.
All I need is a T-Mo SIM card to test if it'll connect to 3G, which I don't have.
I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus so naturally I am quite excited for this.
But the question remains... Does anyone have the slightest idea when this service will go live???
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I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus so naturally I am quite excited for this.
But the question remains... Does anyone have the slightest idea when this service will go live???
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It's not as simple as touching AT&T, and roaming.
You have to be in an area where there is COMPLETELY no T-Mobile signal, it can't even pick it up when you scan for it. Then, and ONLY then, will the SIM allow you to verify it on AT&T's network for roaming.
With AT&T's larger coverage footprint, you T-Mo users should have some nice coverage while traveling.
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Over at the T-Mobile SGS II forums, when I flashed a T-Mo SGS II modem, I gained access to 1700/2100.
All I need is a T-Mo SIM card to test if it'll connect to 3G, which I don't have.
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You can do that?
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You can do that?
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Skyrocket has the same modem as the T-Mo SGS II, except with LTE attached.
It's a different modem number, but other then LTE, it's all the same.
So yes, I can.
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It's not as simple as touching AT&T, and roaming.
You have to be in an area where there is COMPLETELY no T-Mobile signal, it can't even pick it up when you scan for it. Then, and ONLY then, will the SIM allow you to verify it on AT&T's network for roaming.
With AT&T's larger coverage footprint, you T-Mo users should have some nice coverage while traveling.
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Where do you get your information? I thought that's how it has always worked prior to this new roaming agreement. I spoke to a T-mobile store rep (not the best source of information) and he told me that iPhones on west coast had 3G access.
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Skyrocket has the same modem as the T-Mo SGS II, except with LTE attached.
It's a different modem number, but other then LTE, it's all the same.
So yes, I can.
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Oh, so that's only on the skyrocket...
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Where do you get your information? I thought that's how it has always worked prior to this new roaming agreement. I spoke to a T-mobile store rep (not the best source of information) and he told me that iPhones on west coast had 3G access.
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I've heard that T-Mo is doing some spectrum refarming on the PCS band...in other words, 3G is starting to pop up in certain markets on the 1900MHz band